VIDEO: Promises made, concerns voiced at Alki/Harbor community-safety meeting, four days after deadly shooting

(WSB video and photos)
By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The Alki-area community advocates who co-hosted tonight’s public-safety meeting with District 1 City Councilmember Rob Saka have long been pushing for as much action against street disorder as the city can muster. Last weekend’s shootings at Duwamish Head were just the latest flashpoint.

Perhaps that’s why the first actions promised tonight by city reps – but, they insisted, not the last – had to do with street design: Lane-narrowing and more speed cushions are on the way, per SDOT managers. The action most requested by attendees, installing speed cameras, isn’t so easy, panelists explained. Same with the matter of “holding people accountable.”

Above is our video from the nearly-two-hour meeting inside the sanctuary at Alki UCC; below, our recap:

After an introduction from Saka’s chief of staff Elaine Ikoma Ko, who organized this along with Saka’s district director Leila Gheisar, the councilmember spoke first. He thanked local neighborhood advocates Charlotte Starck and Steve Pumphrey for co-hosting, and then introduced the panelists (SDOT’s chief safety officer Venu Nemani, SDOT’s senior deputy director Francisca Stefan, Parks and Rec superintendent AP Diaz, interim SPD chief Sue Rahr, and Mayor Bruce Harrell‘s new public-safety director Natalie Walton-Anderson).

“We’re here to talk about public safety,” Saka said, expressing condolences to the family of 22-year-old Luis Angel Solis Lara (identified today), as well as noting those residents whose homes were “shot up.” “What happened Saturday morning was unacceptable,” Saka said, noting that he visited the scene at midmorning Saturday, saying that one of his first actions was to call for this meeting. He then recounted public-safety-related actions he said have already been accomplished during his first half-year in office:

-“Police hiring is up” – more people are applying
-“We’ve taken action to address unsafe vacant buildings”
-“We helped streamline the SPD recruitment and hiring process”
-Earlier this month, “we passed some great legislation to take action against stolen cars,” including automated license-plate readers for every police vehicle
-He’s gone to precinct roll calls to try to rebuild trust between police and elected officials

Saka said he supports SDOT redesigning or eliminating the Duwamish Head diagonal parking, supports speed-enforcement cameras (that got whoops from the crowd), and previewed what SDOT would later announce for the street in that area, adding that the Public Safety Committee had just been briefed (as reported here) on the proposed street-racing crackdown bill, for which he said he will have specific amendments (though he did not elaborate).

He handed the mic to citywide Councilmember Tanya Woo, who was in the audience. “We have a new council and we all agree that public safety is our priority,” she declared. “We all agree we have to work together to get things done and make our streets safer.” For specifics, she also mentioned the license-plate readers.

Neighborhood advocate Steve Pumphrey, who co-founded the Harbor Alki Neighbors Group, spoke next. “We’ve had successes – we were successful with the city in getting the terrible RV encampment off Harbor Avenue, clearing the greenspace .. but we’re not ready to stop.” He recounted that he was the person who had bullet holes in his window (as shown in our first Saturday report). He mentioned meeting the victim’s family at the scene – as they placed the memorial – and that they “were torn up.” He added, “We have to realize people are coming from out of the area to party and race and drink and do drugs … we can’t legislate that all away, and we don’t have the officers for enforcement, but we can change the environment.” That means the streets, parking areas, and others that have “trapped the people who want to come here and create mayhem … if we make it harder for them to come here (and behave illegally) … then we win … we can’t just stand around and do nothing.”

Alki Community Council president Charlotte Starck spoke next, noting she has been leading the group since January, “working on uniting the community, keeping the problems of crime and traffic front and center … What we worked for are tehse commonalities … working to bring civic leaders together with the neighborhood group. … We all want to live in a peaceful, safe place … that’s the end goal.” She also recounted becoming active after crime/disorder hit her home, in the form of two reckless-driving incidents, plus gunfire on her street, bullet holes through a kitchen window. That “has been a growing problem since we’ve seen the decline of our police force. … As crime lands on your front doorstep you get really upset, you get angry, there are people hurt, properly lost, businesses leave … we need to get it under control.”

Then it was on to the panel.

First, Walton-Anderson, the mayor’s public-safety director and, before that, a veteran prosecutor – also a longtime West Seattle resident who said she walks Alki almost nightly. She conveyed Mayor Bruce Harrell‘s regrets for not being able to attend but said he does care about this area.

Then Rahr, the new interim police chief, who in turn introduced local Officer German Barreto, new Southwest Precinct commander Capt. Krista Bair, and Community Service Officer Dennise Lopez, who will be assigned from the precinct from hereon out rather than from downtown.

(Officer Barreto and Capt. Bair)

Rahr noted that the U.S. Surgeon General just declared gun violence to be a public-health crisis. The ex-sheriff said a lot has changed in the 12 years since she’s been out of law enforcement – increased gun violence, increased lawlessness, the social fabric “is unraveling” – yet she is heartened to see that “people are interested in getting that shored up again.”

Parks superintendent Diaz said, “We too are struggling to best serve the needs of our entire system,” 500 parks and – until recently only two Park Rangers, now increased to 28, “and in record time we filled all those spots.” He talked about working to remove the barrier that kept the Park Rangers working downtown – now they can work citywide. “It’s not enough, we need to do more.” He suggested they’ll be asking for more funding for more rangers, but in the meantime, they’re collaborating with other agencies. Diaz insisted, “We hear you loud and clear” on the need for safety improvements – “Today’s just a start.”

SDOT’s Stefan then spoke, first offering condolences for “the tragedies in your neighborhood.” She said she empathizes with those dealing with driving stunts as her (non-WS) neighborhood has “drifting” going on nightly. She said some of the changes on Alki/Harbor already, like speed cushions and center-line posts, have already brought down speeds.

SDOT’s Nemani followed with just words of introduction – he had more to say moments later.

Ko then read from presubmitted questions (500 of them, she told us pre-meeting, received in barely 24 hours), consolidating what she said were recurring or redundant topics: What’s the latest on speed cameras, and what are your plans for speed cushions, including south of the Water Taxi dock, monitoring speeding, and permit parking for Alki (that mention drew applause)?

Nemani responded. Regarding cameras, he mentioned the “racing zone” ordinance passed by the previous council, including designating Alki and Harbor. The funding has not been identified or allotted in this year’s budget, he explained, adding that the state law has changed regarding safety cameras and how they can be installed – requiring “a lot more documentation” before they can be installed. So, he said, they’re having internal conversations on a holistic policy for installing more cameras,”including speed safety cameras,” and getting the required “inclusive community input.” The policy should come out “later this fall.”

But they have other options, Nemani continued. He echoed Stefan’s declaration that speed cushions had been effective on stretches of Alki – “very effective,” he said – so they can pursue installing more speed cushions between Seacrest and the heart of the beach, as well as south of Seacrest. SDOT staff is working on speific locations. Also, he said, the lane widths along most of Alki are so wide that it’s conducive to speeding, so they are proposing reducing the lane width to 11 feet between 63rd SW and Fairmount SW, restriping them to about 11 feet wide, so they can naturally calm speeds. “We are planning to pursue those things this summer.” (How would the narrowing be done? we asked post-meeting; he said by bringing the solid “fog lines” on the street edge closer in, NOT by adding medians.) Regarding permit parking, “that needs to be a wider conversation,” but he said a community conversation about better managing parking in general certainly could be had.

After Nemani finished, Saka jumped in to say “funding is not an issue” regarding the cameras; the holdup is more of an operational/planning issue. He repeated that if it was a matter of money, they’ll get it, that the mayor has made that promise.

Next, Rahr addressed a multi-part police-related question, First, about parking enforcement; she noted flagrant disregard for the rules. “Clearly this is a habit formed in the community that needs to be broken … the atmosphere of ‘rules don’t matter’ seems to have taken hold.” She mentioned “several hot spots” around the city and said she’s elevated Alki to #5, so a team of parking-enforcement officers is being assembled, both for Don Armeni and for overnight problems, with a caveat: “That’s the aspiration and now I’m going to tell you the truth,” because emphasis requires officers to sign up for overtime, and the force is still 400 officers short, so she’s not sure how much extra patrolling she’ll be able to muster.

Regarding “holding perpetrators of gun violence accountable,” the chief said, “We live in a gun culture, folks … our society celebrates guns …” and firearm availability is “out of control.” She mentioned a (non-WS) shooting scene last weekend with 164 shell casings found. Guns in the community plus angry young people = “bad things are going to happen.” Of course, she said, “we’re going to do everything we can to arrest the perpetrators” – but that’s not as easy as you think. She brought up the law keeping officers from talking to juveniles, getting in the way of solving the Garfield HS shooting, for example, “There’s a lot of barriers that are new” since she left law enforcement, she said. “And that is a problem – because a lot of this gun violence is perpetrated by juveniles … the likelihood they’ll be arrested is far lower.” Ultimately, holding people accountable is up to the courts and state legislators. She urged people to pay attention to what state (as well as local) laws are being passed. She said she supported a lot of police reform but nothing intended to result in this. Checkpoints? She said that may not be legal but “we should do everything we can to make this a less attractive area for kids to come and drink and shoot off their firearms.” She also said they’ll work with Parks to lock the gates at Don Armeni.

Saka followed her up by noting that the juvenile-questioning law also hampered the investigation of the shooting death of 15-year-old Mobarak Adam back in January at Southwest Center/Pool. He said the state law was modeled on city and county laws but went beyond it. He is advocating for a legislative solution to that. “We need to do better.”

Walton-Anderson jumped in on those questions. She reiterated that holding people accountable is the role of prosecutors and judges and legislators, not just police. “These (legislative) bills come up, and we have to pay attention.” She mentioned again the juvenile-questioning law. Regarding the police shortage, she asked everyone to recruit, and to do it widely, mentioning a 62-year-old who just got out of the academy. “SPD is hiring and we cannot get through this shortage unless we start recruiting … that could even be you.” Rahr agreed: “Recruiting is huge. …Our message is, we have a different City Council.” The crowd whooped and applauded. She said she’s using the “shift in city government” as a selling point when she’s recruiting. She also said the mayor really is letting her run the department: “I’ve done some stuff!”

Next group of questions: Can the Don Armeni gates be chained? Can Hamilton Viewpoint be shut down after 9 pm? Can Alki access be restricted?

Diaz said, “Yes on all of them – this is a problem happening at (other city parks too)- The weather gets nice, people want to go donb to the water, unfortunately bad things are happening,” He has the power to adjust the hours that otherwise are stipulated in the city charter. He notes that beach fire times for example have been pulled back for summer. Regarding gun violence, he pointed out the shootings – and said it’s not illegal to bring a gun into Parks facilities – it’s illegal in many other places, and parks and community centers were supposed to be in a state bill last year, but were pulled out. Meantime, though Park Rangers aren’t law enforcers, SPD officers can help them.

Then the meeting shifted to open-mic Q&A – First for SDOT – will there be speed cushions in other areas like 55th and 56th? Nemani said he wants speed cushions on 56th too.

Next Q: Can information be provided for contacting legislators? Saka said he can get that info out, including contact info for the three who serve the 34th Legislative District (House Reps. Joe Fitzgibbon and Emily Alvarado, State Sen. Joe Nguyen – their contact info is all linked here).

Next Q was a comment from another person whose home was hit by gunfire. She said she heard it and thought it was fireworks. “Nothing’s going to change until parents control their children. …. The police come, (the troublemakers are) back two hours later … I don’t want to spend the rest of my life waiting for changes,”

Next Q: Why is the ‘Belltown Hellcat‘ not in jail? Rahr: “We’ve been working on it.” Saka: “The Hellcat guy, that dude is totally out of hand ..” but, he added, “there’s only so much government can do … we’re not going to legislate our way out of this.”

Next Q: To reduce teenage troublemaking, could we have a curfew? Saka: “It might be possible,” but enforcement might be difficult. Rahr: “I would love that … but we can’t (incarcerate) juveniles aside from violent crimes … It goes back to the family.”

Next Q: What about the speed/racing cameras? They were approved in June 2023 …but everybody points the finger regarding why they’re not yet in use … “what do we have to do, wait for someone to die? That just happened.” Saka said he’s said the same thing “over and over and over” regarding both installing speed camera and exploring CCTV cameras. Some finger-pointing ensued in the reply, until Walton-Anderson reiterated that there are some aspects of state law they still have to work through. Stefan also sought to clarify misunderstanding about funding – it hadn’t been allotted for racing cameras; the city budget had money for school-zone cameras. But “we’re with you on this journey and you’ll have to be with us” as they do a safety analysis, an equity analysis, and other mandated parts of the process. Saka: “It’s clear we’re aligned.”

Ko observed at that point that the status of speed cameras was a top question in what was submitted.

Next Q: With more Alki speed cushions, you’re going to have a major traffic issue. Has there been discussion on the height of the speed cushions so perhaps they could affect people going 50+ but not people going the “normal” speed?

Nemani answered, explaining the difference between speed cushions and humps, and said what’s in place now along Harbor/Alki are speed cushions, with the break in the middle. They do affect all vehicles, there’s no way to discriminate between speed vehicles, The arterials get cushions to accommodate emergency vehicles, among others.

Next Q was about rental scooters, contending they are “basically used for joyriding, how do we get rid of those?” Stefan said diplomatically that they won’t – they’re important because of access challenges due to limited transit in the area, and, she said, rider education is a priority.

Other questions/comments included:

-“Why do politicians not say anything about families needing to be involved with their children, because that is the problem. What is a 17-year-old doing with a gun?” Saka: The government can do some things, but there’s also a certain among of personal responsibility.

-A Harbor Avenue said speed cushions should be more tightly spaced since drivers speed up between them.

-About closing parks – what is stopping people from coming back after they’re forced to leave? What’s being done besides just a warning? Diaz said they’re looking at ways of making it less attractive to linger – gate-closing, lighting, etc. Rahr said they can’t just search people without probable cause to suspect a crime. The speaker reiterated, what’s the penalty if you’re in a closed park? You can be cited, Rahr said.

-Will they really close Don Armeni’s gates? Why can’t the diagonal parking at Duwamish Head just be roped off? Rahr said she’ll try on both counts, including “get(ting) traffic officers out there.”

With that, and a few quick words of thanks, the meeting ended. Many of the city reps lingered to answer questions one-on-one, and crowds quickly developed around them.

WHAT’S NEXT: In the main concrete promise of the night, SDOT said the lane-narrowing and speed cushions could be done by summer’s end. Meantime, there’s been no new information about the investigation of Saturday’s shootings, nor did anyone take the microphone tonight to ask for an update.

65 Replies to "VIDEO: Promises made, concerns voiced at Alki/Harbor community-safety meeting, four days after deadly shooting"

  • Ted June 27, 2024 (4:17 am)

    Good luck with all the red tape on getting cameras and traffic changes by end of year. Anyone want to bet it will go past that?I’m disappointed there was not more pressure put on these leaders about police hiring and emphasis patrols. Speaking from the perspective of someone who has lived in other major cities as a youth – the biggest deterrent for us was the level of police visibility and contact with the folks who are hanging out. It only took a few tickets for speeding or having alcohol underage, etc for us groups of kids to get the message.I see Saka said ‘hiring is up’ . Is that 1 person and 25 left? Demand results and track with data with a fair warning about voting them out if it does not improve in the next 6 months.

    • N Admiral Guy June 27, 2024 (11:13 am)

      Just curious Ted, what additional pressure do you recommend putting on the leaders about police hiring?  They’ve put big hiring bonuses and a lucrative new SPOG contract on the table.  I’m honestly interested in hearing your opinion on what more can be done to recruit police officers.  You can demand results all you want to and threaten to elect new leaders, but what will the next leader do to attract more police?

      • Ted June 27, 2024 (3:22 pm)

        Thanks for asking. Having specific details to hold leaders accountable is what I suggest.Eg- 1900 people applied last year for SPD and they only hired 62. What changes need to be made to the system when those are your results?Do you realize it takes a year of training in Seattle from start to patrolling? Are there things that can done to expedite the process? I’d be willing to bet you that you and I could find parts of the process that should be avoided in crisis.How about that Seattle pays SPD $83k a year when Redmond and Kirkland pay closer to $120k. Why is that? Should the more risky cities pay more.Those are just a few I would have used to get them on record of accountability. I’m just trying to rationalize with you all. Speed bumps and traffic cameras are not going to do much for this crisis but only gi e the city more money to spend on other bloat in the system. Our policing seems to be low on the list no matter how many feel good meetings they schedule.

        • T Rex June 27, 2024 (5:48 pm)

          Well said sir, well said. 

        • N Admiral Guy June 28, 2024 (8:38 am)

          Thanks for the civil response, Ted!  We’re on the same page about a lot here.  Seeing police is definitely a deterrent to crime, more so than speed bumps and less parking.  I hope these are just interim solutions until we have more bodies to deploy.  There does seem to be so much red tape to get police hired, but from what I was reading about the exam that SPD uses, the hold up isn’t the city or the council or even the SPD, it’s the oversight board.  Too many cooks in the kitchen, perhaps?  Hoping with her background in the state the interim police chief can push through some of this red tape.Also, as the retired police officer pointed out below, until we enforce laws already in place no amount of police will have an effect.  We won’t be able to arrest our way out of this until the arrestees are actually punished.

  • Marcus June 27, 2024 (4:49 am)

    A lot of good intention talk and this is something that was not available from the previous city counsel supporting our community.  So the intent is certainly there and it will take time to reverse the previous 10 years.  We need live feed cameras in many of our city areas which also means we need an active and coordinated response of SPD. I applaud the hiring of new SPD and recently I have been seeing more cruisers on the road.  Night patrols are needed to protect not only Alki but all the businesses in our community.  I know this will take awhile to turn the tide and thank you for the effort.  Make it work!!!!!

  • Boater June 27, 2024 (6:12 am)

    I hope they open the boat launch gates by 3am.  Some people also recreational fish and with limited dock space it requires an early launch. I can understand locking them in the summer for a few hours  In the winter the squid fishermen launch and fish at night. Not sure what traffic speed cameras will do because you can’t prove who was driving and plates might be stolen. Just need more officers simple as that. 

  • RHONDA M MATTHEWS June 27, 2024 (6:24 am)

    Take out diagonal parking? As it is, I have a hard time finding a parking spot even with the diagonal parking. Some of us still want to go there to walk, dine, enjoy the view. But, where to park??

  • 937 June 27, 2024 (6:49 am)

    Yawn. Same platitudes. Different voices…

    Want change? Vote differently. Y’all keep electing the same idea(s) in different suits.

    • flimflam June 27, 2024 (11:28 am)

      You can’t seriously believe Saka and Herbold are the same….

      • 937 June 27, 2024 (3:47 pm)

        Yeah… Yeah I can… Sure, Herby was a little more progressive, but you just wait and see what this “different” council member does.

        Nothing.

        I will gladly eat my cold words when I am proven incorrect. And while I do promise to eat them, I will not hold my breath waiting…..

  • Rod June 27, 2024 (7:04 am)

    Another action that can be taken to make certain areas less attractive to the speeders.I suggest that the noise rules be enforced on an unpredictable schedule.  This will provide cause for the illegally noisy vehicles (which would normally be speeders) to be stopped and ticketed. 

  • Brewcity June 27, 2024 (7:18 am)

    Amazing notes thank you WSB! Feel like I was there!

  • Genesee5Points June 27, 2024 (8:28 am)

    Just words until it’s not… Good start, let’s see how this finishes. 

  • KT June 27, 2024 (9:06 am)

    Lots and lots of talk.  Lots of “looking into it”, “studying it”, “we’ll try”…  Little in the way of definitive action plans.  And Saka boasting police hiring is up is pretty funny considering the Seattle Times reported that SPD will lose more people than new hires this year.  

  • Lauren June 27, 2024 (9:35 am)

    FYI — the law about police questioning juveniles does not take away their ability to do so. It just means there needs to be a lawyer present, which is a right every citizen has and should exercise.” The new law requires law enforcement to connect a youth (under 18) with a lawyer before they conduct a custodial interrogation, when they detain a youth based on probable cause of criminal activity or when they request that the youth consent to a search of their person, property or vehicle. Consultation with a lawyer can be by phone or in person.   ”https://aclu-wa.org/news/new-law-puts-washington-forefront-protecting-youth-rights%E2%80%AF

    • Jort June 27, 2024 (10:47 am)

      Agreed, and it is unfortuante that the police often go completely unchallenged when they make these assertions. I see this often in the current landscape, where police “can’t do their jobs because of the liberals.” But there is scant evidence of this. There are sometimes minor changes, and those often transform into totalizing job-stopping obstacles purely based on the personal interpretation of the police. People think it was Kshama Sawant who told police they couldn’t pull over people for lapsed registration, no plates, etc. That was an SPD decision made by then-Chief Diaz. Unilaterally. No input from the council. 

    • Conan June 27, 2024 (1:39 pm)

      When the law prevents investigators from even just talking to witnesses (which it sounds like it does), then it needs to be amended.  The “progressive” laws and public school policies that prevent Black and Hispanic kids from being held accountable for bad behavior have only set them back even further because of the lower standards and expectations, as well as feeding into the negative stereotypes.  Progressives have played right into the hands of the MAGAs.  I’m a POC, immigrant, and life-long common sense Democrat, BTW.

  • Lauren June 27, 2024 (9:40 am)

    I hate the focus on keeping people out of “our area.” Can you imagine the outrage if people who lived by Golden Gardens tried to limit access? Our community needs preemptive, research-backed programs and resources that prevent gun violence. We shouldn’t be “othering” people who live elsewhere (and let’s be honest, are usually people of color). 

    • lucy June 27, 2024 (10:32 am)

      People don’t live directly across the street from GG.  Huge difference.

      • jedidiahperkins June 27, 2024 (12:47 pm)

        So you want the city to restrict public access to a public beach? Many of the businesses along Alki already struggle to stay open, so let’s just end any and all tourism in the area. Great idea. Sounds like some of you need to move over to Broadmoor. 

    • Derek June 27, 2024 (10:38 am)

      Lauren you are so correct. I’m so tired of the dog whistling and gate keeping Alki residents do to keep people away from a PUBLIC BEACH. It’s absurd. They love cruises when it’s old timey cars but when it’s “those people” they hate noise all the sudden. It’s tiring.

      • LawnOrder June 27, 2024 (11:29 am)

        There is a fair amount of honesty to your post; but the notion that there is some unfounded and potentially nefarious bias toward others (“those people”) in some instances is unfair. When “those people” fire guns, shoot people, flash guns, race down the street, and the like, it’s fair for citizens to treat them differently than the “old timey” cars driving down the street in a parade. 

      • WS Res June 27, 2024 (1:25 pm)

        Hear, hear Derek and Lauren.

  • Jeff June 27, 2024 (9:46 am)

    Conservative city council has done literally nothing but do Trumpisms. All talk and no substance. Blaming reporters for “fake news” and then just having meetings and meetings and meetings with nothing getting done to curb poverty. Just lipsticks on pigs. Saka has been exhaustingly terrible.

    • flimflam June 27, 2024 (11:30 am)

      Oh please, enough hyperbole – the council and “trumpisms”? That’s ridiculous.

    • Mel June 27, 2024 (1:44 pm)

      You must not know what a conservative is. We have none on our current city council. What’s tiring is hearing the far left call moderate democrats, conservatives and MAGA. 

      • Canton June 27, 2024 (8:34 pm)

        It is tiring and ridiculous. If you don’t follow a particular narrative, you are labeled sexist, homophobic, racist and MAGA?!??… Just for not agreeing with a opinion!?? This is a public safety issue, not a political viewpoint. Stop finding ways to divide people, and find ways to accept opinions that may differ from yours.

  • Jort June 27, 2024 (10:41 am)

    I love all the hooting and hollering and back-slapping and applause lines about how, now that business-friendly conservatives have taken over the council, finally people want to join the police force! Do people really think that Kshama Sawant is what keeps people from joining SPD? Really? Not once — not ever — do I hear these politicians ask whether or not the SPD’s broken culture might drive away applicants. You know, the culture that hangs Trump flags in break rooms, laughs it up about running over and killing a student in the road, sends more cops to the January 6th insurrection than any other city, etc.? Would you want to work there? But, sure, now that Kshama’s gone, I’m sure we’re alllll good. Sure. That was the big hangup, right? Kshama Sawant and Lisa Herbold? OK. 

    • wscommuter June 27, 2024 (3:54 pm)

      Pretty much you define your perspective when you call the city council “conservative,” given that every single one of them is a Democrat and they’re all more liberal than not.  But in the far/extreme left perspective, where there is no oxygen for nuance or shades of grey, anyone who doesn’t toe the far left line is a “conservative”, just like the MAGA folks who label as a “RINO” anyone who doesn’t worship Trump.  Not a lot of difference, really, between the far left and the far right.  

  • Alki Local June 27, 2024 (10:43 am)

    Interesting and timely article:

    As sideshows gain popularity, police try a range of tactics to stop them in their tracks

    https://www.npr.org/2024/06/26/nx-s1-4996234/as-sideshows-gain-popularity-police-try-a-range-of-tactics-to-stop-them-in-their-tracks

  • Actually Mike June 27, 2024 (10:46 am)

    Thanks for this great coverage. Y’all rock. But at a glance this strikes me as the same old Seattle problem: lotsa talk but I don’t hear much sense of urgency from the folks from downtown. Public safety is a BIG F’N PROBLEM for those of us living in District 1, and we need city government to get serious and push hard on this stuff. Stop being so Seattle Namby-Pamby break a few eggs if that’s what it takes. https://www.npr.org/2024/06/26/nx-s1-4996234/as-sideshows-gain-popularity-police-try-a-range-of-tactics-to-stop-them-in-their-tracks

  • LawnOrder June 27, 2024 (10:49 am)

    Only in Seattle would this City Council be called “conservative.”  This is a left of center group for sure, but nowhere near anything even remotely approaching conservative. And the Trumpisms reference? Please, we’re better than that type of dogwhistle approach to public dialog (and again, no one on the council bears any semblance of Trump). From what I saw and heard, this group takes the issue seriously and is taking the steps necessary to implement change. There are processes and rules to follow, unless you want the dictator-like Trump approach (which I don’t think you were intending to promote). 

    • Jeff June 27, 2024 (11:28 am)

      Well, they did elect a GOP City Attorney and two conservative lawyers (one who worked years for a Billionaire to protect his interests over workers) and anti-transit business owners. They called accurate reporting by Publicola to cancel hard-fought EDI projects by PoC members of the community for decades “fake news” essentially by spewing that it was misinformation. (Wasn’t at all, only the facts reported). They want to undo every single progressive labor class thing we fought years for. That is absurd and this anti-progressive council just gets worse and worse each time I read about them. Sara Nelson vehemently dislikes the impoverished. 

      • 937 June 27, 2024 (3:57 pm)

        THIS, Jeff is what you “fought years for.”? THIS?? Dead kids in the streets? homeless everywhere? Rampant violence and scofflaws? Sure you use the cover of “progressive labor class” – but in your quest for a perverted “utopian” society, you have contributed to the creation of this mess. Congratulations.

        Your fight has been an abomination against society. Congratulations. YOU have directly contributed to the chaos we are all being afflicted to.

        Keep voting the same way – the same things happen…..

        • K June 27, 2024 (6:00 pm)

          How did fighting for better working conditions for Uber drivers cause a shooting?  Do you have any clue at all what labor progressives have been fighting for all these years, or are you just picking random posts to rant about…  actually I’m not even sure what you’re ranting about.  But seriously dude, maybe pay some attention to what different groups are actually lobbying the council for.

      • 937 June 27, 2024 (10:07 pm)

        Here ya go Jeff – another youth slaughtered on your alter of “progressivism”

        https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/teen-killed-shooting-beacon-hill/281-717507c3-77b9-40b9-bee7-558d744d8004

        Keep voting the same way – youth keep dying….

        • K June 28, 2024 (7:03 am)

          Targeting random blog commenters, putting words into their mouths, and then going off about what the liberals caused while not actually reading, comprehending, or responding to what they’re actually saying is NOT the way to win people over, in case you were wondering.  Not sure what in Jeff’s first post triggered you, but calling him out by name to continue posting rants unrelated to his comments is doing more to validate the narrative about conservatives than counter it.

    • Mel June 27, 2024 (1:46 pm)

      Agree with you! And I’ve found a lot of these far left people are all for a dictator style approach if it fits their belief system.

  • True North June 27, 2024 (11:26 am)

    Life long left of center Democrat here. I was in the room last night and there was not one person that showed even a semblance of being conservative and no where even close to spouting trump like rhetoric.  It is apparent that the majority of the responders to this forum care only about their own agenda, whose main purpose in life is to moan, groan, spew insults and blame those in charge for everything. Here is a cold hard fact, we the people make up society and we the people create the problems. It is incumbent upon we the people to work together to find viable solutions, to use common sense , to realize these are issues that are deep, dark and have more layers than those of an onion.  If w cannot support the efforts of our elected officials, and if we can’t support our police, if all w do is find fault and make snide,  ill informed comments, then we are doomed. It really does take a village. 

    • Jeff June 27, 2024 (2:51 pm)

      I called the “fake news” comment by Rivera a trumpism. Because that’s what it is. It’s LITERALLY that. So I am not sure what your problem is exactly? If it quacks like a duck… Yeah these problems are systemic and structural. And not one person in the meeting (I also attended) said anything about fixing poverty or banning guns. Just the same ol tired “more cops and cameras!” gag that provably doesn’t work.

      • True North June 27, 2024 (8:23 pm)

        One comment made by one individual and to you that means the entire panel consisted of trump MAGA and right  wing conservatives. Your cynicism is appalling and if the majority of people have your negative attitude, I repeat, we are doomed.

        • huh? June 28, 2024 (7:33 am)

          “I was in the room last night and there was not one person that showed even a semblance of being conservative and no where even close to spouting trump like rhetoric.”

          So, uh, you were clearly wrong, which you know, as you later change your tune to “One comment made by one individual and to you that means the entire panel consisted of trump MAGA and right  wing conservatives.” 

          Most people might apologize for the initial mistake, say something oh, sorry, missed that remark, but nah, let’s not do anything like that.

          We are indeed doomed. 

  • TAnderson June 27, 2024 (12:04 pm)

    Thanks for the summary WSB. I feel like the officials there knew they needed to do something but the only thing they can do well is hold a meeting. Having now held the meeting with offers of  sympathies and platitudes about needing to get something done, “but it’s largely out their hands”,  they are hoping that we will all go home and assume something  is really being done to solve our problem when in reality it’s not.  Meanwhile all those officials will have moved on to something else for which their solution will be to hold yet another meeting and we will continue to listen to gunfire and backfiring race cars at night and take our lives into our hands crossing the street.Sorry for the cynicism. I hope I am wrong.

  • Local June 27, 2024 (12:21 pm)

    I doubt this homicide was random and because of this reality I am not at all concerned about my safety in this city or my children. Sorry to the alki residents who have to deal with the noise but it seems like the only change is the fact that their are so many more people in the city. For us former southenders Alki is the city. We never ventured further than I-90. Didn’t even know what Golden Gardens was until high school. 

  • Scarlett June 27, 2024 (12:27 pm)

    Money buys you a nice home and a nice property on a nice beach.  Money buys you a lot of things in life including the disposable time to whine about those who flee their neighborhood to come to your nice beach to enjoy themselves, and yes sometimes with terrible, horrific results.  Money buys you time to go meetings with other affluent types to scheme how to restrict others from coming to your nice beach and to whine about the lack of sufficient police to protect you and your stuff.    This is the society you you all created, one where greed and self-interest is disguised with petit bourgeosie cliches about hard work and personal responsbility, a society where most of are really not that upset about, as long as you are profiting financially.  Greed is now fully democraticized as a full quarter of stock market trades are not institutional trades but someone in their pj’s trying to get rich quick with the click of a mouse.   So, yeah, lets ditch the fabricated “gee, gosh” bewilderment about what happened to our beach, our city, our country.   Put a fork in it.  

  • DRW June 27, 2024 (12:51 pm)

    No lip service. No grandstanding. We just need more police officers and our laws enforced. Lets start there.

  • FedUp June 27, 2024 (1:06 pm)

    Curfews for Juveniles and enforce them with citations.  Parents then have to take time off work to deal with their kid’s issues.  Maybe they will start parenting. Checkpoints.  Sobriety Checkpoints / License and Registration checkpoints. One of them.  More citations and arrests… less those looking to cause trouble hanging out in areas where they will be “inconvenienced” Give citations for vehicle modifications.  Half the troublemakers probably have some sort of citable violation. They get enough of them and they won’t be driving down there anymore. 

  • James June 27, 2024 (1:20 pm)

    Please explain how speed cameras are going to be effective in stopping gun violence in W Seattle? Speed cameras do absolutely no good when the majority of those who speed recklessly along Alki are doing so in stolen vehicles or don’t care if they receive a ticket in the mail as they won’t be paying it anyways. The only real solution to the gun violence, reckless driving & other felony level crime in W Seattle & throughout our city is first off make arrests!  But even more importantly pressure KC superior court judges to hold criminals truly accountable for breaking the law especially when it’s endangering the public as a whole such as reckless driving and gun violence clearly is. Jail time is the only way to keep our streets safe. Once criminals realize the city of Seattle and king county are willing to lock up criminals even juveniles once again then I can guarantee crime will drop drastically. Consequences for breaking the law always works most effectively other than choosing to penalize all those who follow the law by closing Alki earlier in the summer months or changing parking spots. Penalize the criminals not the law abiding. 

  • Former W.S. Cop June 27, 2024 (1:51 pm)

    Nothing will change until the voters tell the politicians to change the laws and the prosecutors and judges act on those law changes.The voters have been telling the prosecutors and judges that they don’t want punishment for criminals by the politicians they vote for.This is a people/voter problem.The voters need to fix themselves.”Speed cameras” or “permit parking” stuff isn’t going to do a darn thing.Do you think the jerks who jump on top of occupied police cars during the street takeovers are going to care about your “photo enforced” ticket they get in the mail or some parking citation?  I do hope you all fix yourselves and the City comes back around but I have zero hope for that happening because YOU VOTED FOR THIS and I doubt any of you realize you are the problem.Oh and for the Alki residents who want to complain about “outsiders” coming to Alki, a public park, and causing problems…..YOU VOTED FOR THIS TOO!  Former West Seattle Cop

    • this is a dumb position June 27, 2024 (4:49 pm)

      Hi,

      Yeah, so your position is dumb and you have zero evidence to back up any of your points. 

      Anyone with ANY experience in relevant fields will tell you that legality and prosecution have vanishingly little influence on criminal behavior.  I can understand why one might have the view that you do–it’d be easier (and maybe nicer?) if the world worked that way.  But it doesn’t, and your wishful thinking/random thoughts won’t change that.

      What worries me most about you, and people like you, is that you have seemingly thought about these issues JUST enough to form an opinion, but stopped well shy of having an informed opinion.  Depressing.

      • Johnny Stulic June 27, 2024 (7:11 pm)

        If punishment has “little influence on criminal behavior”, then why are we wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on the justice system, from city levels, to county, state, to federal? What even is the point of having the police if they’re making zero difference in crime?It’s almost like this made up “fact” that some of you keep repeating in the hope that “if you repeat a lie enough” is used to protect the criminal class at all cost, no matter the consequences for the society. Why? Well, they’re “poor” and probably “unprivileged” (hint, hint), so that’s the end of that discussion, thankyouverymuch. If you happen to be on the receiving end of the bullet fried from them, just think about the privileged life you’ve had and roll with it.

        • Lauren June 28, 2024 (8:04 am)

          Johnny, you’re asking the right questions: “if punishment has “little influence on criminal behavior”, then why are we wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on the justice system, from city levels, to county, state, to federal? What even is the point of having the police if they’re making zero difference in crime?“There are alternatives to how we spend those billions that have been proven more effective. Recommend reading the book “The End of Policing” if you’d like to learn more. 

    • Westsiderez June 28, 2024 (12:29 pm)

      Thank you for reminding everyone that they need to pay attention to who they vote into Office and what that person’s focus is on. You made some good points.

  • Rhonda June 27, 2024 (2:31 pm)

    Too many Alki residents think Alki Beach, Constellation Park, Don Armeni Park, and Beach Drive are their collective private property. To even suggest “checkpoints” to get into our public spaces is akin to 1962 East Germany. These are PUBLIC parks and streets that belong to all of us, not just the wealthy in view condos and 3000 square-foot waterfront homes with telescopes. Sure, it’s absolutely justified to want lawlessness to be addressed in our neighbourhoods, but trying to keep people out is NOT a Constitutional solution.

    • TAnderson June 27, 2024 (3:53 pm)

      we live on Alki Ave and we know perhaps dozens or maybe even a hundred people. No one I know and know one I have ever heard speaking that lives here wants to make Alki a private place for residents only. In fact, the crowds that come and enjoy summers and any good weather days are always welcome and uplifting. What isn’t uplifting are those that commit crimes, race their cars recklessly all hours of the night and make living here more dangerous than it needs to be.

      • Rhonda June 27, 2024 (5:28 pm)

        Well, TAnderson, Chief Sue Rahr herself is quoted from the meeting answering a question about checkpoints. It’s right in the story for anyone to read. There have been countless comments in WSB stories about Alki advocating limiting access. That was the ENTIRE motivation for the SHS debacle and the vast majority of Alki residents support it. Then there’s this quote below advocating making Alki harder to access. I don’t hear anyone wanting to make Roxhill, Admiral, or Sunrise Heights harder to access:“if we make it harder for them to come here (and behave illegally) … then we win … we can’t just stand around and do nothing.”

        • True North June 27, 2024 (8:16 pm)

          You have unfairly taken that quote completely out of context. If you were there you know damn well that the speaker was referring to the people who had a gun fight in our front yard, shot out his window and killed a 22 year old human being. He was talking about the people that also shot out the windows of an 80 year old neighbor. The bullets also entered her house hit and ricocheted off a wall she waited in abject fear for them to leave and the police to arrive while the young man lie dead in front of her window. Unless you think it is perfectly ok for these same people and those of their ilk to have free and easy access to come her, kill each other and potentially kill an innocent resident, then shame on you for twisting this into an elitist, not in my backyard comment. 

          • WS Res June 28, 2024 (11:37 am)

            What’s your plan to keep out people with guns, then? Metal detectors at the off-ramps of the WS Bridge? Checkpoints on Harbor Ave?

        • Pelicans June 28, 2024 (11:12 am)

          Rhonda, Always appreciate your opinions, even when I don’t agree with them. But a lot of Alki residents (including me) disagreed with the Alki Point Stay Healthy Street reconfig. It’s mean, exclusionary and totally inequitable. We protested, but SDOT had already made up their minds.  

  • Marcus June 27, 2024 (5:20 pm)

    This talk about trumpian politics, RIGHT WING (in caps for added emphasis), GOP leaders, Alki residents wanting an enclosed society, resistance to traffic cameras!!!  These comments are just from those who are increasingly becoming more and more INSIGNIFICANT in the discussion of keeping our community safe. They offer no solutions other than their tired old mantra that society is to be blamed for all the crime and ills. Bye guys! Don’t slam the door on your way out to insignificance, yet I know you will.

  • TAnderson June 27, 2024 (5:47 pm)

    Touche. You found one or more comments like that and ascribe it to  “too many Alki residents”.  Bravo. I live here and have for years and have never heard anyone express those views. What I believe anyone who says that means is: we don’t want criminals to come here. I think most people would agree that is a worthy goal if not possible to perfectly achieve.

  • wetone June 28, 2024 (10:38 am)

    Reading these comments is like watching the debate…….. Alki area resident for 60+ years, so I have some knowledge past history. Problems happening at Alki are not isolated to this area, it’s throughout this city. Issues over last 10yrs have continued sliding downhill much faster than previous times. Really don’t care what our city and state government says or facts shown. Bottom line is until Seattle government changes and starts holding all people accountable for their actions instead of making excuses for them we will continue on the same path we’re on now. Seattle government can’t buy their way out. Harrell and Constantine need to go…. they keep hiring, promising and raising taxes. While criminal and drug activities increase exponentially. Seattle and the north west is becoming the spot to go if one is involved with these activities and that is just fact. City can add all the speed bumps, healthy streets, road closures, signage, cameras, bollards, closures and continual lip flapping. But effects will be nil as those causing the issues could care less. Seattle needs to get its police force back, (something money can’t fix) and allowed to enforce the current laws. Court systems need to start prosecuting, holding all accountable. Don’t see any of this happening with today’s government in Seattle. City government loves everyone arguing about issues though as it distracts from real issues. Just like the bandaids there implementing with our tax dollars. 

  • 22blades June 30, 2024 (6:46 am)

    It’s hard to be aspirational when you have a (former/felon) president that says “ I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.“

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