LIGHT RAIL: ‘Refinements’ in Delridge station and routing could save businesses, County Councilmember Teresa Mosqueda tells Sound Transit board members

The Sound Transit System Expansion Committee‘s monthly meeting just wrapped up. The only formal mention of the West Seattle Link Extension was this brief update toward the end of the meeting:

While presenting that slide, ST’s Don Billen mentioned another possible stretch in the timeline, saying – without elaboration – that the time between the Final EIS and the Record of Decision (which follows the board’s final vote on the exact routing and station locations) might be “longer than we’re used to.” They’re also waiting for final federal signoff on the plan recently approved to start the process of “early acquisition” of some properties in North Delridge and SODO.

At the start of the meeting, during open public comment, the only person to speak about West Seattle light rail was King County Councilmember Teresa Mosqueda. She pleaded with the board members to consider slight “refinements” in the Delridge station location and route that she said could save money and businesses. Along Yancy, for example, a short distance west of the Delridge station, she said a 20-foot shift in pillar locations could prevent some demolition. Same for moving the station location about 100 feet. “Use surface streets and parking lots” rather than going over existing businesses on which a thriving community – including her family, North Delridge residents – relies. She told the board that, to be clear, she and the businesses are all very much in favor of light rail – “we WANT light rail” – they just think that “refinements” could make it more of a win-win. (Added: Here’s everything she told, and wanted to tell, the board members, in PDF.)

Meantime, two of the businesses in the current path of the station location, Mode Music Studios (WSB sponsor) and The Skylark, both have sent open letters to their mailing lists in the past 18 hours, asking for community help. We’re working on a separate followup about that.

45 Replies to "LIGHT RAIL: 'Refinements' in Delridge station and routing could save businesses, County Councilmember Teresa Mosqueda tells Sound Transit board members"

  • DRW April 11, 2024 (4:38 pm)

    Design a light rail station with retail and restaurants. That could be nice!

    • jb April 14, 2024 (9:15 am)

      That’s called Transit-Oriented Development (TOD). Sound Transit makes space for it, but it’s up to business to fill in with retail and restaurants. It’s happened already with the station on Capitol Hill. 

  • Flivver April 11, 2024 (4:45 pm)

    Makes you wonder…If “refinements” can save businesses why weren’t  they planned in the 1st place? Seems like they just threw mud at the wall to see what stuck and who complained about the mud. Sure doesn’t give a warm fuzzy about ST’s motivation.

    • Downwind of Seattle April 12, 2024 (5:42 am)

      Because part of the toy train expansion is to sell off, at a massive profit, any unused land after the construction is done.  So the more land they can claim and clear, the more money in certain pockets.

      • Kelly April 13, 2024 (12:10 am)

        Its actually illegal for them to resell surplus land at a profit. Look at past projects and you’ll see that it eventually goes to affordable housing. 

    • K April 13, 2024 (7:38 am)

      Because the option to save businesses isn’t necessarily the cheapest option and people keep complaining about cost overruns.

  • Ridge resident April 11, 2024 (4:55 pm)

    This feels like common sense. I agree we should have light rail but it is baffling to prefer to remove businesses rather than interrupt traffic temporarily. If there’s a way to save the businesses without vastly altering the cost or plan, it should be done. I love visiting the ounces and the skylark and will be sad to see them go

  • Martin April 11, 2024 (8:06 pm)

    I love to ride light rail, but West Seattle is so close to downtown and already has C and H line, why bother? Bus riders wouldn’t have to wait to transfer, we wouldn’t need to close businesses and demolish housing, cut trees on Pigeon Point and impact herons, beavers and salmon. If we use only a fraction of the funding to add bus lines (some of which have been cancelled since the pandemic), we could increase transit ridership rather than drive riders away by making trips more difficult and time consuming.

    • T April 11, 2024 (9:45 pm)

      Agreed. I think this whole light rail to West Seattle is a waste of money. I remember back 20 years ago when they were trying to push the monorail to West Seattle and they spent millions of dollars in research and nothing happened. We don’t need it. We have plenty of Transit resources here. How are these people going to get to the station? Metro? If the WS transportation system is not broken, don’t try to fix it. 

      • Honey April 12, 2024 (10:52 am)

        rethinkthelink.org

    • K April 12, 2024 (7:25 am)

      Because the population of West Seattle is continuing to grow, and there will be a greater impact on businesses, Pigeon Point Residents, trees, salmon, herons, and beavers in the long run if we continue to rely on cars as a primary mode of transportation.  Light Rail is a little about what’s happening now, and a lot about what’s coming next.

    • Derek April 13, 2024 (4:15 pm)

      Because to the people in increasingly dense areas like white center and Morgan Junction… the station aren’t close. The Junction itself takes over 20-30 minutes just to get to SoDo. I know because I ride it.

  • Westseattle123 April 11, 2024 (8:53 pm)

    Yes! Build light rail with local residents in mind!

  • Santiago April 11, 2024 (9:39 pm)

    Light rail / trains is the best option for a city this size. Seattle is way behind in mass transit. Communities will rebuild around the stations, it can be and get better. There is no way a land owner is going to keep the businesses that exist there after a station is built, the value will be high. The city and council members need to focus on how to properly compensate and help all those businesses land well. Once the area starts to re-develop they can come back. We should focus on compensation for the impacted members of the community.

    • Scarlett April 12, 2024 (12:23 pm)

      Seattle is not way behind in mass transit;  we have a very capable bus transit system that has served the city for decades and can accomodate more growth.  The  expected influx of riders from the dense developments springing up around  light rail stations?  Never happened.  Take Central LInk and take a straw poll of riders:  Ask how many riders are coming to and from the airport and how many are actual commuters.    The only ones benefiting from this project will not be the general public but those in the trades and construction industry – for them its a financial windfall.

      • Bbron April 12, 2024 (2:54 pm)

        why are you separating airport trips from actually commuters? like I’ve said before: if the link wasn’t around, how do you think traffic would be with all the airport commutes?

      • Bbron April 12, 2024 (2:59 pm)

        what do you reference when you claim there’s no growth around the link light rail stations or that the people that live around it don’t use it? when I lived there it was my main wait downtown, and it was packed (pre-pandemic) every weekday. your imaginary straw poll is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your comment… very “trust me, bro”-esque

      • K April 14, 2024 (10:16 am)

        Leave Seattle some time and see what kind of mass transit other cities have.  Seattle is WAY behind.  Also, it’s kind of weird and classist to argue that jobs for construction and tradespeople is a bad thing.  Even the weird anti-housing NIMBYs don’t do that.  Jobs are good.  It’s okay for people to make money from manual labor.  Not everyone needs to work at Amazon or Microsoft.

  • Z April 12, 2024 (6:03 am)

    Put the light rail on the golf course. What a waste of space. Why destroy music when there’s a golf course full of opportunity next door? 

    • Rick_WS April 13, 2024 (9:39 am)

      Because you don’t play doesn’t mean many others don’t.   You need to be more open minded minded. 

  • Crowski April 12, 2024 (8:07 am)

    Sound Transit worked hard to devise the best solution for West Seattle, and it still is a mess. The solution they came up with, which is now going to be in the final DEIS,  will wreck the neighborhood by removing many businesses, housing, and natural areas, and it will not really help the transit experience.  Sound Transit failed the DEIS because the benefits of the whole construction are not worth it in comparison to not building at all.  The West Seattle light rail extension fails on all three dimensions of sustainability — environment, economics, and equity — and should not be built. There are better ways to spend public transit dollars for a fraction of the cost. King County Metro using electric buses could make public transit world class throughout the West Seattle peninsula.

  • John April 12, 2024 (8:11 am)

    Overall, light rail is fine but the stub to West Seattle with a large river to cross and hills to climb – all to get us to 6th and Lander for $5+ billion is, at best, poorly conceived.  However, the fix is in, isn’t it Dow?  I very much agree with Martin and T above. 

    • Rick_WS April 13, 2024 (9:40 am)

      As do I.  

  • Seth April 12, 2024 (8:57 am)

    Just buy out Nucor or parts of it and keep the businesses and houses. We don’t need a industrial plant at the end of a light rail station.  I appreciate what Nucor has done but nothing they do requires them to be there. We could hu them out and sell the land to developers for a profit I bet to build high density housing and stores. Also it would mean less upper bridge trucks carrying huge loads go in over the bridge and reduce dangers to pedestrians there.   I have seen so many Nucor trucks get lost or stuck I even snapped a picture of one two weeks ago. 

    • Don Brubeck April 16, 2024 (9:33 am)

      What Nucor does has a lot to do with why they are right there:  Rail access, barge access, truck access, SCL electricity, groundwater for cooling hot steel, and access to a trained local workforce providing good jobs and income for many families in our area. Not so easy or good to move the steel plant.

  • Bus Rider April 12, 2024 (9:29 am)

    Sound Transit has everyone, including Mosqueda, bullied into thinking that light rail is the only and best solution to West Seattle’s transit needs.  To a person, those people who own homes and businesses that are set to be demolished will say “We are for light rail” because they fear retribution by Sound Transit.  Sound Transit is judge, jury, and executioner with regards to how much they will be given for their properties.  

    Folks, we can be FOR MASS TRANSIT and against light rail.  There are solutions to our transit needs that do not require claiming 70 West Seattle businesses, causing 500 to lose their jobs and 100’s to lose their homes. Light rail will permanently alter our community; disrupting lives and destroying the environment forever.

    Sound Transit is accountable to one – unless we make them be.  $4 billion for 4 miles of track that will take us only to SODO (in ten years) needs to be rethought – not rammed through.  Making our bus service better is an easy, immediate, inexpensive fix.  

    • Bus Rider April 12, 2024 (10:50 am)

      Last paragraph should read:, “Sound Transit is accountable to NO ONE – unless we make them be”.

  • bike commuter April 12, 2024 (10:18 am)

    I have to wonder where her information comes from.  A 20 foot shift of a pillar changes the radius of a curve, slowing trains or making the corner not possible, or forces the move of other things to allow for that move that may cause ripple effects.  To assume these things have not been looked at or assume that a move is that simple is very short sighted.   Yes we need to make sure that we do all we can for the businesses impacted, but to assume its that simple is a disservice to the engineers and designers of the system.  There are always other constraints.

    • Little One April 13, 2024 (6:32 am)

      Completely agree. There are so many factors to consider for the alignment. It’s all too easy to criticize from an outside view when looking at just a fraction of those design factors.

  • Joe Z April 12, 2024 (11:46 am)

    The bit in Mosqueda’s letter on Nucor selecting a new site in the PNW was news to me. Do we know if that is an expansion or a replacement?https://nucor.com/news-release/20146

    • Marie April 13, 2024 (9:20 pm)

      Nucor employs 300+ people. If they go elsewhere, that would be a serious blow to the local economy. 

  • Bbron April 12, 2024 (12:20 pm)

    make sure not to miss a huge piece of the puzzle, folks: as to why this is a novel consideration it’s because what is being sacrificed instead of buildings is roads and parking; car infrastructure. the light rail proposals should also include a design that tries to maximize using existing right of ways. we have over designed for cars, and trying to build on top of the current car centric infrastructure leads to having demolish things that are for humans. we don’t have to lose so much if we are willing to undo the mistakes of the past when designing our urban environments. bring the light rail, use the existing car infrastructure, and move to really changing the status quo of how we move about in this city.

  • Delridge resident April 12, 2024 (1:40 pm)

    It’s so frustrating and distressing when politicians and others keep just drawing lines on a map for this project and saying “further study”. It happened before the DEIS when two extra alternatives were parachuted in at the last minute and those affected had little warning or opportunity to create advocacy groups and chances to influence. Doing this is unjust, unfair, and leaves ST open to legal challenge if they rush something new like this through. To be clear this is not “a refinement” being proposed, it’s a new alternative that would push the DEIS-preferred route significantly south almost certainly through more of pigeon point, through dragonfly park and dramatically increase the impact on residences south of Yancy (if not go through them entirely). We can’t just keep adding this stress and uncertainty into people’s lives, especially at the last minute of the process like this when those newly impacted have no opportunity to mobilize and gain influence in the process. There are already 4 existing alternatives that site a station and alignment further south and preserve these north delridge businesses. If that’s preferred then the council member and others should have (and could still) advocate for one of those. But there’s not some magical new solution that further study will produce which will have significantly less impact than the 6 and more already assessed. It’s time to make a decision from the existing alternatives (including serious consideration of the No Build option) and let everyone move on with their lives.  

  • The Earl April 12, 2024 (3:11 pm)

    Too bad the bus routes leaving west seattle aren’t like the used to be. 15 and 18 used to continue on to Ballard. The 20 used to go up to capital hill. 55 used to go out to greenwood. 

    • Kathy April 13, 2024 (2:14 pm)

      Ah, memories of the good old days when the 37 took me from home in Alki to job near Discovery Park with no transfers. RIP Route 37. 

      • Scarlett April 13, 2024 (8:31 pm)

        Where’s the money and thrill in that – a perfectly sensible, low-cost, pragmatic option like a BUS? 

        • The Earl April 14, 2024 (3:27 pm)

          Exactly.  New and shiny by no means means better.  Sorry to say bring back the old ways.  

          • Bbron April 15, 2024 (3:49 pm)

            the old ways were tracked street cars, not buses. link light rail is getting closer to the old ways that moved and built countries and communities, lol

  • Arbor Heights Resident April 12, 2024 (10:43 pm)

    There are a few different parking lots in that area which could absolutely be replaced with a link station. I hope that that is the solution, and I really sincerely hope that the anti-urbanists who want West Seattle to be a backwater disconnected from regional rapid transit don’t get their way. Yes to the link! Bring it deeper into west seattle!

  • Millie April 13, 2024 (7:45 pm)

    I, personally, am not a fan of Sound Transit for many reasons previously stated.  One of the comments, however, listed above about a potential Nucor move concerns me.   Prior to Nucor, it was Bethlehem Steel, they closed the plant, due to financial constraints, and many people lost good-paying, benefit positions. Fortunately, my Dad was able to take early retirement.  Many of his co-workers did not.  To lose Nucor could result in many of our neighbors working there facing the same unfortunate future.  If Nucor moves it will probably be to its’ home state North Carolina.  Sound Transit construction could be one impetus.  The other high taxes (City, County and State).

  • Marie April 13, 2024 (8:42 pm)

    When you take a look at transit in West Seattle, I mean really take a look, you might see the situation differently.  Here’s an article with census data about populations served (or not) by transit, the transit options available, what works, what doesn’t, who is left out, and things we might do to improve transit and make it available for everyone in the neighborhood. https://www.whereiamnow.net/post/here-s-why-west-seattle-needs-a-comprehensive-transit-plan 

    • Bbron April 15, 2024 (4:20 pm)

      the author does a good job collecting data, but then the conclusions are unrelated or show an amateur understanding of urban transportation perhaps intentionally to push their view. most of their future-looking  assumptions are just that and are entirely based in what they feel will happen. bus routes will be reconfigured around the light rail as we have seen in the past (most recently look at Lynnwood expansion). it’s hilarious to see income as the sole metric used to measure whether a neighborhood is low income relative to Seattle as it ignores the large WS population of retired and asset rich (which helps their argument). the most egregious argument (besides for the anti-any-movement argument, lol) is that we can just add buses to the problem. like, do they know that each bus requires a bus driver? it never considers the efficiencies of light rail where there’s: less day-to-day people needed to run the service; less area needed for maintaining fewer rolling stock; less volume of vehicles on roads. all of those outcomes would make it much easier to reallocate the existing amount of resources to fill in the gaps they have issues with. it’s exponentially more difficult to just try to increase service frequency and service window when it’s already an issue to staff the existing route.

  • ARPigeonPoint April 13, 2024 (9:18 pm)

    I’m old enough to remember when ST summarily rejected the idea of a tunnel under the Duwamish. They lost my support then and there. Signed, someone who is losing their home. 

  • The Earl April 14, 2024 (3:29 pm)

    The bus routes out of west seattle used to exactly what they’re trying to do now. It’s a no Brainerd as they say. Keep over thinking and keep over spending. 

  • Don Brubeck April 16, 2024 (9:53 am)

    Those businesses are valued community assets, but moving the station  to miss the buildings will not prevent the need to relocate the businesses. They are tenants in one-story and two-story buildings owned by others who will have every incentive to redevelop the sites to much higher density.  It is not realistic to advocate for transit-oriented development around light rail stations and at the same time to advocate for preservation of the existing low-density development. Unfortunately, the relocation assistance for small businesses is inadequate. That’s what needs to change.

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