Sound Transit, Rethink The Link, Duwamish Tribe guests @ District 1 Community Network’s first 2024 meeting

Here’s what happened when the District 1 Community Network – representatives of various groups and organizations around the area – met this week for the first time this year, with Deb Barker of the Morgan Community Association facilitating.

WEST SEATTLE LIGHT RAIL: D1CN’s first guests were from Sound Transit, recapping the newest information presented regarding the West Seattle light-rail extension – early station designs. ST is still on track to publish the West Seattle project’s Final Environmental Impact Statement “the middle of this year,” Leda Chahim said – the board (which is getting some new members) will vote after that on final routing and station locations. The presentation went through the station-planning info shown at recent meetings including the West Seattle Transportation Coalition in November (WSB coverage here) and October’s “open house” in The Junction (WSB coverage here). ST’s station-planning lead Sloan Dawson headed up the recap, showing what were largely the same station design outlines presented at WSTC (with a few extra notations about bus access), starting with the Delridge station, northwest of the Delridge/Andover intersection.

Questions included how many buses the stop zone at the station would hold simultaneously – answer, three. Also: How is Metro involved in planning? Dawson said they’re “closely coordinating.”

The Avalon station is where the line starts going underground, with a “retained cut” station and then the tunnel leading into The Junction.

This station “straddles” 35th SW, with an entrance on each side of that street. Barker noted that Metro will be visiting the WSTC this year, so watch for that if you have questions about how bus service will interface with light rail. Dawson said that among other things, they’re working on street cross-sections to show more clearly how the station areas are supposed to work..

The Junction station will be “cut and cover,” spanning 41st SW.

Buses from California, Alaska, and Fauntleroy would converge on the station. There would be a new signalized intersection at 41st/Alaska. Jefferson Square would be “acquired and demolished.” That led to one commenter voicing concerns about how business tenants would be compensated compared to property owners; Chahim said it’s a complex conversation and that they haven’t discussed specific dollar amounts with specific businesses yet.

Time ran too short for detailed discussion but ST reps also noted “concepts” for projects to enhance walking and biking access to the stations. Next up in the process – they’re analyzing more than 2,000 responses to the station-planning survey that closed just before Christmas. They also promised another “engagement” event in West Seattle in the months ahead.

‘NO-BUILD ALTERNATIVE’: Another light-rail-related agenda item later in the meeting – Marty Westerman spoke on behalf of the Rethink The Link group advocating for this alternative to Sound Transit light rail. They contend that the light-rail extension “will make West Seattle to downtown rider experience worse” and that the massive expense and construction-related pollution, among other aspects, are not worth it. They say ST only projects 400 fewer car trips as a result and contend that beefing up bus service would “make more sense.” One attendee asked how the ST3 vote could be “undone” to allow this. Westerman said that’s not necessary, as the ST Board has the power to “ignore the voters” and do whatever they think is right, for example.

TRIBAL ART UNDER THE BRIDGE: Here’s our previous coverage about this. Facilitator Barker recapped how she found out about this by reading a City Council agenda back in November. The new City Council will have to make a final decision on the matter, which involves $133,000 for the Muckleshoot and Suquamish tribes to create art on columns under the west end of the West Seattle Bridge. The Duwamish Tribe – whose longhouse is barely a mile away from the site – was not consulted, though the city said a different art project would involve the Duwamish. Barker invited Ken Workman of the Duwamish Tribe to the meeting. He said that “to our shock, this proposal was going through” on the “last Duwamish Village site in Seattle.” He said the two tribes involved “are good people” and do have some Duwamish ancestry, adding that his tribe supports native art, but “this place is home for us and for somebody else to come in and say they’re going to establish their territory (here) … doesn’t sit well with us.” He said they were grateful to Barker for bringing it to their attention. He was asked how the fight for federal recognition is going; “we continue this fight … our attorneys are pushing forward for an acknowledgment, a summary judgment that (the Duwamish) would be recognized … My fear is that if we as a Duwamish people fail to get our names on the registry of recognized tribes, we will go the way of the Aztec and Inca and people will say they have ‘ancestry’ but there won’t be an actual Duwamish people any more.” Back to the art matter, city reps said at the time of the bridge proposal that they would work with the Duwamish on a separate public-art project; Workman said that will involve sidewalk art. No date set yet for the council’s next consideration of the project with the Suquamish and Muckleshoot, Council Bill 120726; the Transportation Committee shelved it on December 5th and will have to vote before it could go to the full council.

CITY COUNCIL VACANCY: This is now open to applicants as noted in our coverage Tuesday of the council’s first meeting – but you have to apply by end-of-day Tuesday (January 9). Barker noted that a public forum will be held as part of the process and wondered if D1CN participants might be interested in sending in questions. When a similar forum was held in 2019, it was noted, 18 groups asked questions.

COMMUNITY NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS: Kay Kirkpatrick from HPAC said they’re excited about the construction of the permanent signal at Highland Park Way and Holden … Facilitator Barker said her organization, Morgan Community Association, will have a hybrid meeting at 7 pm January 17th, at Westside Unitarian Universalist (7141 California SW) … The Fauntleroy Community Association expects a guest from Parks at its 7 pm meeting Tuesday (January 9) to talk about the Lincoln Park pickleball-court plan. That’ll be at The Hall at Fauntleroy (9131 California SW).

D1CN’S NEXT MEETING: 7 pm Wednesday, March 6, in-person, location TBA.

63 Replies to "Sound Transit, Rethink The Link, Duwamish Tribe guests @ District 1 Community Network's first 2024 meeting"

  • Peter January 8, 2024 (8:27 am)

    Marty Westerman is delusional, Sound Transit does not have the authority to ignore the ST3 authorizing legislation, which we approved by a large margin. What’s even more alarming is Westerkan’s clearly anti-democracy views. 

    • Martin January 9, 2024 (10:49 pm)

      Peter, the ST3 measure provides the Sound Transit Board great flexibility if any portion of the plan is “determined to be unaffordable… impracticable or infeasible” including to use the funds for other transit purposes. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems the Board has a lot of options as West Seattle LR extension’s estimated cost has already doubled (from $1.7 billion to $4 billion) and is behind schedule.

  • Sillygoose January 8, 2024 (8:28 am)

    I am questioning why destroy Taco Time and Starbucks, Alki lumber is already planning to vacate, move the station to that side of the street. Makes more sense than destroying that intersection,especially the streets to WS Bridge.   

    • Jeff January 8, 2024 (9:49 am)

      Taco Time and Starbucks will live on, this is for the greater good and sorely needed. We are undoing the past’s mistakes. Taco Time can rebuild in the newly upzone’d thriving business area that will be coming down the pike. Look at Roosevelt. Tons of success there in their expansion and community with lightrail. I cannot wait for a thriving density community over here. 

      • Scarlett January 8, 2024 (11:59 am)

        If Central Link is any indication, Jeff, most of these new residents will not be using light rail, at least not near the numbers to make it worthwhile. 

  • Jeff January 8, 2024 (8:52 am)

    Why are we pretending like Rethink The Link isn’t Gondola Rebranded? They are a deeply unserious organization who are trying to stop lightrail. We should not be giving them free air time. Lightrail expansion makes everything easier. Makes bussing around easier. Frequency will be every 15-20 mins. It will eventually go to Ballard. We can connect hassle-free in SoDo. It will make my trip cut in half to Northgate.  I am about to drop a wad of cash on my own org: Speed Up Lightrail. Stop slowing down something we voted on.

    • Gibby January 8, 2024 (9:40 am)

      I’ll drop a wad of cash with you. On-board with SUL

      • Jeff January 8, 2024 (10:53 am)

        I am literally designing signs right now on my lunch break at work. I will be plastering them all over West Seattle. I will include an email for anyone who wants to contribute to stopping RTL with me.

        • John January 10, 2024 (1:41 pm)

          Respectfully, the construction of the light rail Andover stop is forcing imminent domain to homes on top of Pigeon Point for construction equipment access. There’s also the biggest day care facility in WS located in the business park between Delridge and the Steel plant. Then there’s the harm to the Longfellow Creek ecosystem. Trains can be a good solution, but isn’t a one-size-fits-all option. Not to mention the communities that would most benefit from the Link now reside further south (White Center, S Delridge) and wouldn’t benefit from the Link at all. Use of electric buses with increased service and dedicated lanes offers a better alternative at lower cost and no displacement of families/businesses.I say this as someone who lived in DC for years and loves subways/trains. WS isn’t a good fit for it – focus Link resources on alleviating i5 traffic and E-W on 520 and i90.

    • Neighbor January 8, 2024 (10:45 am)

      I will happily make an equal contribution to SUL as I already make in taxes to ST3.  I want light rail yesterday.  These trolls need to get out of the way so the rest of us can live our lives.

      • Scarlett January 8, 2024 (11:55 am)

        You provide us with some realistic projections for this segment, not light rail fantasies,  and we’ll go away.   But you can’t because there isn’t any. It’s a piece of juicy infrastructure pork pushed by those who stand to gain from it, and those aren’t WS public transportation users, certainly not en masse. 

    • Jay January 9, 2024 (9:18 am)

      I’ll throw in $20 to oppose the gondola trolls too if you post a link. I’d love to also organize counter-protestors at their events, following along with the “rethink the link” walks or speaking engagements to fact check them.

  • Jay January 8, 2024 (9:08 am)

    I’m really worried that the new council with its stronger car focus will back the Rethink the Link trolls and obstruct Sound Transit. Like Mercer Island or Downtown Bellevue.

    • East Coast Cynic January 8, 2024 (1:48 pm)

      I think there was at least one councilperson – Pedersen – who personally voted against ST3, however, I suspect that Link development has progressed enough that I don’t believe the pro car people on the council will try to proactively try to stop West Seattle Link.  The majority of our peninsula voted for it, so by golly they are gonna build it.

  • enough is enough January 8, 2024 (9:17 am)

    Yeah, you gondola morons, let’s “ignore the voters.”  Great sound bite, puts you in outstanding political company, doesn’t sound depressingly familiar at all.  Make American Gondolas Awesome–have you considered that as a slogon?  You could abbreviate it to MAGA. 

    • Adam January 8, 2024 (3:32 pm)

      Not on board with RTL ideas, but you rehashing the hilarious MAGA tag anytime someone disagrees with any folks you align with, brilliant propaganda! You could just make a good argument against, like I will be doing any time someone from the gondola group wants to debate, or you could use that completely disingenuous but highly effective tactic. Bravo! I love that politics have just become another bloods vs crips gang fight that solves nothing and affects all innocent bystanders. 

      • enough is enough January 8, 2024 (4:47 pm)

        nah, when someone explicitly states they don’t care what the vote was that’s a clear connection to recent republican politics.  doesn’t matter if you want to get up on a high horse–anytime someone in politics these days is crass enough to ignore a vote there is absolutely a connection to other times people have called for ignoring voters.

        you want to debate against RTL, make a good argument against it?  great, good for you–except, oh, wait, you haven’t done that at all, haven’t posted anything at all along those lines.  weird!

        • Frog January 8, 2024 (7:09 pm)

          Oh puhleeze.  Trump and his minions claimed they won the election, and it was overturned by Democrats through various types of fraud.  Light rail skeptics are not claiming anything of the sort.  Questioning the wisdom of a particular vote is bi-partisan and has a long history.  For example, remember “not my president” in 2016??  Or look at all the second guessing of Brexit by leftists.

        • Scarlett January 8, 2024 (9:05 pm)

          I’m not ignoring your vote; I trying to get you to reconsider it.  There is a difference.  Ask yourself if you truly believe this  expensive, business displacing, carbon-spewing construction and redundant,  piece of infrastructure is really worth it.  There is a vast different between the conceptual attraction of an idea and it’s actual ability to produce the promised results.  It’s amazing how often these two things are confused in so many facets of life.   

          • Bob January 9, 2024 (12:30 pm)

            Scarlett, rethink the link has been spouting lies and errant numbers since the first day I heard of them. Whether light rail is a good idea or not, that group cannot be trusted at all. It’s truly disheartening to see continued coverage of a brigade of people lying to voters in the area. I’ll rethink my vote when RTL ends its’ BS.

    • CarDriver January 8, 2024 (4:06 pm)

      Enuf. Reading your comment makes me believe that the gondola really is a serious threat to replace rail. 

      • enough is enough January 8, 2024 (5:49 pm)

        “Enuf. Reading your comment makes me believe that the gondola really is a serious threat to replace rail.”

        yeah, i’ve seen your posts before–not surprised it’s that easy to get you to believe things.  maybe a bit of introspection and skepticism is in order, hmmm?

        • CarDriver January 9, 2024 (1:40 pm)

           Reading some of the comments here really has raised my skepticism. I find it easy to believe what I see actually happening, not what someone hopes I’ll see. That’s a healthy thing don’t you agree? 

    • bill January 9, 2024 (9:50 am)

      I’m for putting the gondola in a tunnel.

  • Neighbor January 8, 2024 (10:51 am)

    Will there be improvements to the SoDo station as well?  How will that connection work?  Will it be a single station or will we have to walk between stations?  Will the SoDo station have a roof added?

  • Wseattleite January 8, 2024 (12:42 pm)

    So after light rail is in I will need at least 2 transfers to get to work instead of just getting on and off one bus now?   No thanks. 

    • Jeff_P January 8, 2024 (1:03 pm)

      Only temporary and connections are common in cities. This is a scare tactic. Even with that transfer, you’d get to U District/Roosevelt/Northgate/Bellevue a lot quicker by train than bus.

      • Wseattleite January 8, 2024 (10:13 pm)

        Scare tactic?  My man, I’ve travelled in cities all over this world. No one is scaring me into the knowledge my commute will suffer.  Don’t try and convince me otherwise.  

        • Reality based transit January 9, 2024 (10:25 am)

          Metro has said they will keep buses running directly to downtown until the Ballard Link is finished and connected. In the meantime you will have both options. So this is not a reason to oppose light rail to West Seattle

        • Jay January 9, 2024 (1:54 pm)

          They aren’t shutting down the buses, I’m not sure what gave you that idea.

  • Jort January 8, 2024 (12:44 pm)

    Just like Donald Trump, the “Rethink the Link” crew thinks that they should be able to invalidate the results of an election outcome they don’t like. Just “ignore the voters.” Great amateur legal advice, there. Are Rudy Giuliani or Sidney Powell consulting pro-bono for “Rethink the Link?” How this group isn’t literally laughed out of every room it steps into is beyond my understanding. What an absolute insult to their fellow citizens, just pretending that elections outcomes can be tossed aside because of our hurt feelings. So gross. 

    • Scarlett January 8, 2024 (3:27 pm)

      Yes, Jort, and you and others in your infinite wisdom are getting taken for a ride.  It’s a windfall for the construction industry, for their employees, and corporations like Amazon who bankrolled it and are pushing it.  It is the same scheme that has been sold to other cities, Los Angeles for or example, where it has been an embarrassing flop.  It really hasn’t moved the dial on transportation woes and never will.  This notion that trains are going to be crammed with commuters from all the new developments, too, is fanciful thinking.  

      • Derek January 9, 2024 (11:37 am)

        Pretty successful in Houston, San Francisco, San Jose, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Dallas, etc etc. Some “scheme!”

    • Adam January 8, 2024 (3:35 pm)

      Hey, when you don’t like something, just toss in Trump, right? I swear, that loser of a president is somehow the best thing to happen to the far left even if they won’t admit it. 

  • Wseattle January 8, 2024 (1:31 pm)

    Rethink the link’s argument seems to be anchored in getting to and from downtown, rather than the connectivity to the rest of the city. Let’s level up our suburban thinking lol. 

  • anonyme January 8, 2024 (2:37 pm)

    How is it an “insult” to the winning side of an election if those who voted the other way continue to maintain their position?   Wouldn’t it be the ultimate hypocrisy if they suddenly reversed course?  And isn’t it also possible that the differences of opinion amount to more than “hurt feelings”?  That the other side may in fact have valid, well-considered thoughts on the matter?  I also find it ironic that the author of this diatribe thinks that they are being “insulted” by the mere existence of an alternative position.  And then, of course, there are always the comparisons of anyone not in lockstep (with whatever view is being espoused) to Donald Trump (oh, and Rudy Guiliani!), not only with zero evidence but zero connection to the issue.  Such characterizations are not only extremely childish but ignorant, divisive, and counterintuitive to the practice of democracy – which should encourage healthy debate on the issue itself, not tantrums over who does or does not have the right to their own opinion. 

  • WS Environmentalist January 8, 2024 (3:27 pm)

    Just a guess:  The commenters either arrived in WS after 2004 or they are too young to remember the Monorail diabolical.  That failed plan cost Seattle hundreds of millions and the Monorail legacy continues (maybe interviews with Greg Nickels and Dow Constantine are appropriate for clarity).In its current incarnation, Light Rail funded by ST1,2,& 3 is a boondoggle for West Seattle.  1) This is 2024 and the connecter line is not scheduled to open until approximately 2036/2040 – at the earliest.  2) As the ST Commission stands right now, they have no idea how much the link will cost to go to Ballard or West Seattle and in today’s report, STC wants to buy our Jefferson Square but has no figures regarding the cost for purchase and redevelopment into a rail station.  3) There is no impact statement regarding the other business or residences in that effected area.  4) The Seattle Times has reported that STC is going to propose another initiative, “ST4”, in order to cover cost overruns and funds for the Ballard and WS extensions.  But be weary as the line to Federal Way is currently 3 years behind schedule and the geologists miscalculated the environmental impact of a 500 foot area of unstable ground so STC is re-routing the line around the liquefaction soil at a cost of approximately $250 million.  5) Based upon Seattle and King County Building codes, high rise apartments and condos are built immediately adjacent to Avalon.  And there are bike lanes, car parking and driveways on Avalon.  6) Someone commented about Alki Lumber – I believe the private sale of that property is complete with pending Seattle permit approval for multi living units.It’s a great idea to diminish the foot prints of autos but before we jump all in on an ill-conceived STC  plan, put some context to your comments.  We could have done Light Rail in the late 1970s for a couple of billion $ that the federal government would have paid just as they did to build it in Portland.  But “we”, the City of Seattle, said no thanks, most of us (1 in 7 WA residents) work at Boeing in Everett and Renton so we’ll keep driving our cars.   Be careful what you wish for and get your ducks (or Huskies or Cougars) in a row before you commit to paying approximately $1 trillion for taking a light rail ride downtown.

    • lightrail now January 8, 2024 (4:19 pm)

      “Most of us work at Boeing” that’s literally not true anymore and many wouldn’t if trains expanded, and good luck when electricity and gas is extremely expensive. 

      • CarDriver January 8, 2024 (6:05 pm)

        Lightrail now. Educate us why nobody would work for Boeing if there’s light rail.  What’s it do, put a hex on people??? Oh, and “extremely expensive” electricity?? Guess no one can, or will buy electric vehicles?

        • Derek January 9, 2024 (10:26 pm)

          I think he means “wouldn’t drive their cars to work” not wouldn’t work there. I think you misunderstood.

    • Reality based transit January 9, 2024 (10:41 am)

      There is a ton of misleading or flat out wrong assertions in your post. WS light rail is scheduled in 2032, Ballard later in 2036-2040. In the meantime, Metro will keep WS buses running as they do now until Ballard is finished. So we get both. ST has a board, not a commission, and they get regularly briefed on estimated costs in the boardroom which get refined as design progresses. There are rough figures on purchasing and redeveloping the terrible development that is Jefferson Square. The impact statement on businesses, etc will be in the DEIS when it is published later this year. Please show me the citation the an ST4 has been proposed. Some advocates may want that, but there is no serious talk of that. I am not sure what your point is about density on Avalon. I live there and bring it on. The city will rezone as stations get closer in any event. The sale and development of Alki Lumber which owns several properties in the Triangle is a grand opportunity to build more density near the Avalon station which further justifies light rail. 

      • WS Environmentalist January 9, 2024 (8:34 pm)

        Thanks for your reply. 1)  The 2032 schedule for WS light rail is unrealistic.  It is now 2024.  Do you really think/believe that the WS extension can be completed in 8 years?  2) Board is synonymous with commission – same function with the same responsibilities.  Sorry for my choice of the word.  3) The ST Board is briefed on a regular basis but those are not figures etched in stone.  Explain the reason for the vendor choices such as escalators that break down? Why did the geologists not know about the liquefaction soil in Des Moines?  Why did the ST CEO resign?  It’s not because of family issues as those existed before she accepted the position.  And why is she still being paid her salary for the year 2024?  3) ST4:  Seattle Times 02/15/21; The Urbanist 08/02/22; Seattle Transit Blog 06/25/2019; Seattle Times 10/09/2023 ….. WS Blog 01/08/2024.  4) Rezoning of Avalon?  Please give a guesstimate of what that will cost and what the uproar will be from the building owners and residents.  And the City cannot “rezone” as the stations get closer.  All of that has to be done in order to permit the project not after the fact.  5) No comment on the Alki Lumber property as it was privately owned and it is a private sale that is going through the planning and development process.  Doubtful that the new owners will submit to ST bringing a halt to the property planning so the site can be considered for a light rail station.  As previously mentioned, do the research on the Monorail extension project and the costs for condemning property – emanate domain – lawsuits, and cost over runs from approximately $12B in 1992 to $44B in 2004 with no construction completed before it was brought to a dramatic and abrupt halt.Someone else commented on the lost opportunity for a light rail system being built with federal funds in the late 1970s.  President Carter’s Sec of Transportation was Neil Goldschmidt, the former Mayor of Portland, and a devote of mass transit.  What I was referring to was the time frame.  Of course most Boeing team members are familiar with the SST and billboards reading “the last one to leave Seattle, please turn out the lights” because the SST was devastating to the WA State economy.  In 1978, Boeing was my first job out of college and I worked on the 747/767/777 in Everett.  At the time, 1 in 7 Washington residents worked for Boeing.  Our “savior” was TA Wilson (who is likely to be doing double back flips in his grave re the Max 8 and 9) who issued the directive to contract out engineers and parts along with a directive to hire women and persons of color.  He was gruff but pragmatic.  He was also influential and coopted the phrase “What is good for Boeing is good for Washington and the world.”  I could go on and on but I will leave it with TA’s head exploding when we had four Iranian 747s parked on the Paine Field tarmac that Goldschmidt would not allow Boeing to deliver.  TA did not want light rail because of Carter and Goldschmidt AND we were working 24 hours a day 7 days a week.  TA believed the light rail construction would disrupt commuting to the plants.It is also important to recall  contractors like the one that sunk the I 90 bridge on a Sunday in November 1995.  Or recently, the contractor who bored the tunnel for Hwy 99 and stuck the boring drill inside the site which set the project back by 2 years – and it’s on the waterfront which could be impacted by global warming.  And my favorite worst of the worst, the bus tunnel under Seattle.  The streets were ripped up for years and on the City’s list of incredible mistakes, it/we bought granite from South Africa which was under an Apartheid embargo at the time.  Our big idea?  Buy the granite from SA, ship it to Italy, then to Seattle so we would not get caught.  Bad idea with extraordinary federal fines and nationwide bad PR.  Finally, the 1984 building the WS Bridge.  We paid a premium to the contractor to get the work done fast.  SDOT wanted to build a whole new bridge while conveniently forgetting that the mouth of the Duwamish is a Superfund Site and there was NO way the Fed EPA was going to permit new construction.  The memory of being sort of trapped in WS during the Pandemic is still pretty fresh for a lot of us.Be careful what you wish for.  Seattle and King County do not have good track records.

  • Fan of Kelp Forests January 8, 2024 (3:43 pm)

    Ballot initiatives can require agencies to build projects when voters don’t really know what we’re voting on.  This ignorance can lead to cost overruns, delays, and frustration bc we don’t know what the project would actually be.  Not always the best idea to create a mandate without sufficient information.  Also, just saw the gondolas in Mexico City.  Very cool.  

  • WS Guy January 8, 2024 (3:50 pm)

    Like most voters, I want Light Rail so that the rest of you will take it, leaving more room on the roads for me and my car.  I’m disturbed to read that only a few hundred car drivers are expected to switch to rail.  Is it because the rail does not pick you up at your house and drop you off at your destination?   Is it because you can’t haul tools, groceries, and baby gear without your car?  Seriously, we need to figure this out.  I did not pay $650 per year in car tabs just for the ST land grab that is portrayed on these maps.  I want you off the roads.  I want results.

    • Bus January 8, 2024 (5:52 pm)

      Anyone who can’t haul tools, groceries, and baby gear across town on the bus isn’t trying that hard.  People do all three all the time.

  • CarDriver January 8, 2024 (5:06 pm)

    WS ENVIRONMENTALIST. Love your response. And, it’s SO TRUE. I initially voted for the monorail but when the costs started soaring with no contracts let and flaky revenue sources-they said tourists would love to ride it and that was a great revenue source. I said NOPE. One little nugget that got overlooked is that to increase revenue the monorail people were in talks with Metro to END all downtown bus service out of WS. Instead you’d have to take a shuttle-paying Metro fare which would drop you off at the monorail terminal where you’d have to pay that fare to get downtown. And me, as a Boeing worker who had to get to Renton for a 5am start (4am on weekends) my car was the only way to get there for me-and all of my coworkers.

  • Scarlett January 8, 2024 (8:19 pm)

    West Seattle simply does not need this light rail segment. West Seattle is well served by it’s current bus transit which be improved and expanded if necessary;  the proposals in ST3 for expanded bus transit are a good start, but only a start.  Let’s stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.  

  • TJ January 8, 2024 (8:40 pm)

    Sound Transit is done after ST3. Even they know that. There is way too much anger from the taxing district outside Seattle for any future projects to win a election. I heard a interview with the head of sound Transit a few years ago and he said they knew they had to win the voters trust by completing ST3’s promises on time and budget. That is going to be a utter failure. So there will be no ST4. Especially if it entails more taxes for what ST3 promised. And to those saying we voted for light rail (“end of story”), if it takes the gall to ask for more money to complete it than that is not what was voted on so the pushback now will be warranted. Sound Transit either lies or is incompetent. Can’t keep a timeline and budget. Blaming rising real estate and material costs. Anyone who is anyone knows those are going up all the time and it isn’t a surprise.

  • Jonb January 8, 2024 (8:59 pm)

    Sorry if this has been covered but I didn’t see it. If my house is above the proposed tunnel on the way to the junction station, will they bore under the land or demolish the house and dig a trench?  I suppose I need to start some planning if it’s the latter. 

  • Phil January 9, 2024 (7:35 am)

    I own a small business in Jefferson Square.  Sound Transit absolutely has met with me and discussed specific dollar amounts in regards to helping businesses move.  There is a $50,000 reistablishment cap, which is far too low to actually assist any business to move.  This is policy that is printed in Sound Transit’s handbook about relocation and reistablishment. During meetings with Sound Transit, they confirmed to me that they would never assist with more than $50,000.  The community member was wise to raise concern about this issue and Leda Chahim’s response was despicable to avoid the topic and misrepresent communications between Sound Transit and businesses in Jefferson Square.

    • Jeff_P January 9, 2024 (1:30 pm)

      I own a house near Genesee and likely have to move. And I am completely fine with it. Life happens, you choose locations with a risk. Always.

      • Phil January 9, 2024 (10:18 pm)

        Sorry to hear about your house Jeff.  Property owners and residential renters who have to move will be more or less fairly compensated though.  Businesses that have to attempt to relocate will not receive the same consideration unfortunately.

  • K January 9, 2024 (11:55 am)

    On an organizational level, I don’t understand how more bus service could replace light rail with ST3 funding. KCMetro and Sound Transit are two different entities, seems like it would be a bureaucratic nightmare or it wouldn’t be legally infeasible due to the difference in taxing bodies and population served. I’d love to hear this question answered by KCMetro or Sound Transit, as they are the transit authorities (despite how some of us might view ourselves!)

  • Scarlett January 9, 2024 (2:32 pm)

    By the way,  my objections to this light rail segment has zero to do with nimbyism, gondola’s, opposition to mass transit, etc, etc, ad nauseum.  I am approaching this rationally and emotionlessly as someone would a math problem.  It doesn’t add up and now that more people are finally waking up to this realization, the sales pitch is now that it is a boon to business, to development.  If you want to sell the WS light rail this way,  be my guest, but don’t give me this nonsense that it is going to make a dent in our transportation woes.  It’s a piece of infrastructure pork that is being driven by those who stand to benefit the most – and they ain’t your average public transportation rider.  

    • WarOnCars January 9, 2024 (3:55 pm)

      if you have facts, then bring them to your comments. you decry unsuccessful light rail systems all over, so what defines a successful light rail to you? how many car trips need to be reduced per year? who is standing to benefit the most, and what are they benefiting? Money? If so how much? since you just want buses and cars, how do you scale that up as WS continues to grow in a way that avoids the misgivings of the light rail? if you’re an authority on math problems, lets see your numbers.

      • Scarlett January 9, 2024 (9:35 pm)

        My observation evidence is on the streets everyday, transporting thousands of riders around, those rectangular boxes on wheels called “buses.”  They flexible, they are proven, and they work.  Your light rail segment is a redundant, hideously expensive  4 mile segment that will change nothing except subjecting West Seattle to years of construction.  Your light rail will simply siphon off bus riders, not produce legions of new public transportation devotees in near the numbers to make it cost-effective.  Every new rider will be essentially subsidized for years not to mention the carbon that will be spewed during construction and not recouped for decades. Then we have the problem of getti all these imaginery riders to stations, which will mean another trip for those outside a certain radius.  By the way,  density is fine but WS is sel-limiting by its own geography. 

        This has  little to do with moving people around – not really – it’s a public works project, shovel in the ground stuff – with certain interests selling it.  The Emperor has no clothes on.    

  • Marie January 10, 2024 (6:38 pm)

    For those of you who are suspicious of the No Build option, it didn’t come out of nowhere and it is not an attempt to overthrow the will of the people. Consideration of a No Build Alternative is required by the Federal government  for any project requiring funding, certain approvals, etc. That is why the No Build Alternative is in the DEIS. Throughout the document, there are tables and descriptions of where ST expects to be in 2042 if they build light rail to WS, compared with what to expect if they don’t. This is valuable information for all of us. No Build does not require more studies, ST’s studies are already published in the DEIS. It doesn’t require another vote. It is as valid as any other Alternative put forward. ST is free to choose it. (Although I doubt they will.) It takes time to wade through this complex document, I know. So I’ve made it easy for you. I went through it and pulled out ST’s tables and information for you to use to compare. Will we be better off in 2042 with light rail, or won’t we? https://www.whereiamnow.net/post/sound-transit-presents-an-excellent-case-for-the-no-build-option

  • morealex January 23, 2024 (1:21 pm)

    Hi – I have limited time right now so can’t read through all the comments (can do later), but is anyone aware of any links to larger/fuller versions of those map images?  I’m trying to see if the gym (West Seattle Health Club) will be impacted.  Gym location is just out of the image frame at the bottom edge.   If anyone knows anything about that, would like to hear… well, what you’ve heard. Thanks.

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