LIGHT RAIL: West Seattle ‘further studies’ items get briefest of briefings

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Toward the end of a four-hour meeting today, the West Seattle portion of Sound Transit‘s light-rail “further studies” briefing lasted just a few minutes. That was not entirely surprising, since the rest of the briefing for the ST Board’s System Expansion Committee included sections for which big decisions have yet to be made.”Gotta fish or cut bait pretty soon here” is how ST board member Seattle Mayor Bruce Harrell put it regarding those decisions. ‘

But the briefing did illuminate a few things for the West Seattle segment. For one, ST staff put forward a possible “end-to-end scenario” that incorporated two of the three “studied” possibilities for West Seattle – moving the entrance to the Junction station and shifting the Delridge alignment – but did not include the potential removal of the Avalon station. That doesn’t mean this is what staff is necessarily formally proposing or supporting, but it’s worth noting that it’s what they showed as an example.

Before getting to that slide, ST’s Cathal Ridge showed slides going back through the three West Seattle “further studies” proposals (explained in this memo). The most detailed was the possible Delridge “refinement,” which Ridge said had been evolving as design work proceeded:

Here’s the “updated concept” addressing some of the Delridge station concerns:

Another major concern that had come up earlier in the process was the potential effects on Transitional Resources, a nonprofit serving people living with behavioral-health challenges, with services and facilities including supportive housing. As this slide showed, the current alignment goes right through the heart of its operations:

The “refinement” shown today wouldn’t entirely spare Transitional Resources, but would reduce the major effect to one smaller property, Ridge said:

Uphill from there, he had little elaboration about the possibility of dropping the Avalon station, beyond what this slide shows:

Earlier in the meeting, leading off the public-comment section, City Councilmember Lisa Herbold urged board members to think about how elimination of the Avalon station might affect low-income High Point residents needing to get to light rail. Meantime, back to the last “further studies” area, here are the slides shown for the possible relocation of the Junction station entrance:

This option, it was clarified in response to a question, would only move the entrance, not the station itself.

So what’s next? For the West Seattle items, that’s up in the air. No vote is required (until the vote later this year that finalizes “the project to be built,” after the Final Environmental Impact Statement comes out). The board does have to vote on a “preferred alternative” for the rest of the West Seattle/Ballard extensions, beyond SODO, and is expected to do that next month. One thing we do know is that they’re still taking community feedback on all the “further studies” items (see the full 134-page slide deck here) and will get a summary at the full board’s February 23rd meeting, so if you feel strongly about one or more of these possible changes, now’s the time to say something. Here’s a survey, open for one more week (until February 17th), also reachable from the “further studies” section of the West Seattle/Ballard Link Extensions website.

31 Replies to "LIGHT RAIL: West Seattle 'further studies' items get briefest of briefings"

  • Ron Swanson February 9, 2023 (11:45 pm)

    The 42nd entrance version is definitely better – the existing Jefferson Square building setup is terrible and redeveloping that whole block would be an improvement.

    • Aaron G February 10, 2023 (9:11 am)

      I agree. I appreciate the housing/supermarket/pharmacy setup there but almost the entire west side of Jefferson Square is a dead wall and parking entrances. It would be cool to see it redeveloped with sidewalk-facing businesses along 42nd which would make it something of an extension of the Junction.

    • Mark P February 10, 2023 (10:31 am)

      In support of the full redevelopment of Jefferson Square to include a station entrance, street facing retail, and hopefully a street-level or underground Safeway still. Build apts/condos on top of that whole structure and you’ve got some excellent TOD.

    • WS Guy February 10, 2023 (5:56 pm)

      It’s a land grab by ST.  They can have a large and almost vacant lot just to the south.  Instead they want to trade Avalon station for more property in the Junction.  It’s suspicious that the financial impact for both is $80m, setting up the trade.

  • Yup February 10, 2023 (7:55 am)

    So what happened to the gondola.

    • StuckInWestSeattle February 10, 2023 (12:18 pm)

      What a dumb idea.

    • bill February 10, 2023 (12:38 pm)

      It got laughed out of the room.

    • Mr J February 10, 2023 (1:39 pm)

      The gondola was a NIMBY ploy to keep West Seattle from getting developed. We voted for light rail not a gondola system. The gondola was never an option. Move on. 

      • Dooh February 10, 2023 (7:51 pm)

        Don’t you love sarcasm. Lol

      • Byron James February 11, 2023 (12:19 am)

        You must be a very recent arrival if you’re unaware of all the development in West Seattle, in the past 5-10 years.

        • Dooh February 11, 2023 (9:20 am)

          Sarcasm…. Omg when is it going to be installed,  no studies…More sarcasm…….

    • Peter February 10, 2023 (2:21 pm)

      The gondola was never a part of ST’s planning for a very good reason: it’s not a real proposal, the only reason people are pushing it is to oppose real mass transit.

  • chester February 10, 2023 (11:21 am)

    I still have a monorail  ticket…

    • Friend O'Dinghus February 10, 2023 (12:55 pm)

      Me as well Chester. When it finally opens we are all set!

  • DJ Allyn February 10, 2023 (12:57 pm)

    All of this seems about as real as Flash Gordon.  The idea that there are actually people talking about a Light Rail system here in Seattle any time in our literal lifetimes is insanity, at best.  Our kids will have grandkids by the time we see any of this come to fruition.Yet we are on the hook for paying for all the other lines currently being constructed, with ZERO hope of seeing West Seattle attached to any of this before 2050 — if then.Look, people, by the time anyone ever gets around to actually breaking ground here in West Seattle, there will have been umpteen delays and price increases that we will NEVER EVER see this thing happen.I would like to see another vote on this thing — one to eliminate West Seattle residents from having to continue to pay for this madness that will never benefit us.  Come back and see us when you are ready to actually break ground here — which will be NEVER.Use your heads.

    • Dooh February 11, 2023 (9:23 am)

      I think I read that they will break ground by 2032, and even if they don’t do the west Seattle part.You will still pay for it.  You voted for it a few years ago.  That won’t go anywhere. Use your head

      • WSB February 11, 2023 (10:56 am)

        Late 2032 is the current schedule for *completion,* not for groundbreaking.

    • AMD February 11, 2023 (9:29 am)

      Wow.  The Junction will have light rail in 10 years, not 30, and if people in Buckley can help finance our light rail, I think we West Seattleites can suck it up and pay our fair share too.

  • WSea Resident February 11, 2023 (9:02 am)

    Please consider commenting on the above survey (open until Feb. 17th) and urge Sound Transit not to remove Avalon Station. It only takes a few minutes to complete :)  As noted above, the surveyors put up a slide and noted the elimination of Avalon Station would result in, “no expected decrease in project ridership.” We all know this is complete BS! If you just drive down Avalon during peak commuter times, you’ll see how many people depend on public transportation and will use the light rail once it goes in. This area also has a high density of high rise apartments and don’t forget Alki Lumber will soon be replaced by a high rise apartment. We all know tourists come to West Seattle to go to Alki beach and a station on Avalon would provide tourists with a quick way to get to Alki via scooter/bike rideshare or the free commuter bus that takes you to the station by the West Seattle water taxi. 

  • PaulaB February 11, 2023 (10:02 am)

    I’d vote for whatever option won’t lop off the Point of Pigeon Point. I’ll be way dead and gone before ST ever breaks ground. 

  • James February 11, 2023 (11:39 am)

    Please use golf course land…  go that route. Less destruction. I know parks cannot be used typically but it’s a friggin’ golf course. A waste of water and space in a big city.  Skip Avalon station as it is unneeded. 

    • CarDriver February 11, 2023 (4:20 pm)

      James. I take it you’d be ecstatic if the city got rid of all the parks? Just think of all the affordable housing that could be built on what’s now Lincoln Park and all the other “green space” 

      • James February 11, 2023 (6:29 pm)

        Nope. Just a small section of a golf course. A space that is used for a water-wasting sport in a big big dense city. It’s not the same as your false equivalency of Lincoln Park. It is also a small portion. 

        • CarDriver February 11, 2023 (8:37 pm)

          James.  How does New York City manage to survive with Central Park??? They do use a lot of water and NYC qualifies as a “big big dense city??

          • James February 11, 2023 (9:49 pm)

            More false equivalencies. I am not debating you. Golf courses are not parks. There’s lots of greenways (pidgeon point)already used for this project. Tiny portion of elevated track won’t even affect the course.  Golf course, as stupid as it is, will still exist despite this route.

      • K February 11, 2023 (7:57 pm)

        I think most people see a difference between green space that is a habitat for various species of plants and animals, that can be accessed equally by all for the same cost, versus an open green field of non-native curated ground cover that provides little or no habitat for most plants and few animals, and which costs additional money to utilize.  Lincoln Park is nothing like a golf course.  The discussion is also not about whether or not parks belong in cities, but whether or not that particular one is worth the loss of existing homes and businesses that will result by routing the light rail around it.

        • WS Res February 11, 2023 (8:49 pm)

          Well-said.

        • CarDriver February 12, 2023 (7:12 am)

          K;James. My point is that if you’re willing and happy to give up “open green space” Ie: golf course you’ve given tacit permission for others to say that any other open green space Ie: park is fair game. Losing any open space is forever as no buildings or structures will ever be torn down to make green space. And, in case you’re wondering I don’t play golf.

          • Jeff February 13, 2023 (8:17 am)

            Cardriver, you’re missing the point entirely and kept trolling as a backtrack. Stop the nonsense. The golf course would still exist with the concrete track going over it. “Play where it lies” is a big part of the sport.

  • TEU February 11, 2023 (2:54 pm)

    I’ve grown used to superb reporting here but I feel like this summary sets an even higher standard. Having read this post, I now feel foolish for wasting my time logging into the Expansion Committee meeting real-time. Enormous thank you for everything you do for the community!

    • WSB February 11, 2023 (3:47 pm)

      Thanks for the kind words … but nothing ever substitutes for firsthand participation! Every individual viewer/participant sees it through their own lens of interest and may see or hear something I totally miss or gloss over … we just try to hit the toplines for the record … TR

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