54 Replies to "UPDATE: What else you need to know today: Curfew, day 2; business changes"

• Mark Schletty May 31, 2020 (11:49 am)

  Doesn’t really affect me, but it is just a little irritating to be under curfew in West Seattle when I watched many many people wandering around downtown after 10 pm last night, vandalizing and looting, with no police enforcement of the curfew. What’s the point?

• R May 31, 2020 (12:03 pm)

  @WSB do you know if ferry service will be stopped into city, for curfew, i.e. Vashon to WS?

  • Tony May 31, 2020 (3:21 pm)

    I know it was last night. I drove around….

• Mj May 31, 2020 (12:23 pm)

  Why is WS included?  I am not aware of any adverse incidents that happened in WS.

  • WSB May 31, 2020 (1:06 pm)

    Because it’s a CITYWIDE CURFEW.

  • JeffK May 31, 2020 (1:51 pm)

    Just be thankful that the West Seattle Bridge is protecting us from rioters.

    • Also John May 31, 2020 (4:24 pm)

      That’s a really great observation.  The closed bridge is definately preventing any marches of large size here.

      • Brian May 31, 2020 (8:31 pm)

        Yeah totally. It’d be a big bummer if our infrastructure wasn’t crumbling and we could march for systemic change that maybe could murder less people. Good point!

        • Pepper June 1, 2020 (4:16 pm)

          Well said! Thank you Brian.

• sgs May 31, 2020 (12:51 pm)

  Woah, can’t believe the curfew covers more than downtown.  Really, I can’t walk my dog after 5 pm? 

  • Pdx77 May 31, 2020 (1:29 pm)

    It’s to prevent riots from breaking out in other parts of the city.  If they only ban downtown, they can easily move to first hill or capital hill.I wouldn’t worry about not being able to walk your dog, i am sure they are not going stop you unless you are out destroying property.

    • WSB May 31, 2020 (1:34 pm)

      And while downtown got the major share of the TV-news attention, other neighborhoods DID get hit. The mayor mentioned the ID. Our friends at CHS have an update from CH and the CD.
      https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2020/05/flames-tear-gas-and-gunfire-as-crowds-and-police-clash-in-second-day-of-george-floyd-protests-in-seattle/

    • CAM May 31, 2020 (2:21 pm)

      It is also to allow for available police to concentrate on specific areas. If people stay home resources can be concentrated. 

• KrazzieK May 31, 2020 (1:34 pm)

  My dog is walking me after 5pm….

• H376 May 31, 2020 (1:38 pm)

  Bravo to our “leaders” not giving a s–t about Black lives. Where were the curfews/whatever-force-necessary for the white supremacists protesting at the Capitol with their coward-toys? Or for folks blatantly not practicing social distancing during COVID? Yeahhhh… that’s what I thought.  

  • LJ May 31, 2020 (3:45 pm)

    Exactly.

  • Bradley May 31, 2020 (3:55 pm)

    What makes you think the mouth-breathers protesting in Olympia over the COVID-19 closures were “white supremacists”?

    • heartless May 31, 2020 (6:57 pm)

      https://theconversation.com/why-are-white-supremacists-protesting-to-reopen-the-us-economy-137044

      https://www.irehr.org/2020/05/11/proud-boys-and-the-covid-19-insurrection/

      https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/may/18/proud-boys-claim-responsibility-for-taking-down-co/

      I kinda feel you could have googled this yourself.  But ANYWAY, turns out lots of people know that white supremacist racist trash have been protesting in favor of the virus du jour.

    • Lagartija Nick May 31, 2020 (8:15 pm)

      Because quite a number of them were sporting Nazi/Confederate/white supremacy flags, insignia, and symbols? We also know who most of those people are and we know that they openly associate with white supremacist groups like the WA3% and Proud Boys. 

      • Bradley May 31, 2020 (9:20 pm)

        Really? You were there? I saw NO such Nazi, Confederate, or other racist garb in ANY coverage of the Olympia protests. Zip. Do you have photo evidence? 

        • heartless May 31, 2020 (10:10 pm)

          Why are you even arguing this?  (and “racist garb”?  lol)

          “On April 19, Matt Marshall, a leader of the Three Percenters, a wing of the anti-government militia movement, helped organize a rally in Olympia, Washington. The event was advertised by the Oath Keepers, another anti-government organization. Prior to the rally, Marshall encouraged participants to wear Hawaiian shirts, a nod to the extremist reference to the “Big Luau,” which is another expression for the boogaloo, or a future civil war. Attendees included members of the Three Percenters and Joey Gibson, the founder of the far-right Patriot Prayer group.”

          https://www.adl.org/blog/extremists-involved-in-nationwide-protests-against-coronavirus-restrictions

        • Lagartija Nick June 1, 2020 (12:46 pm)

          Bradley, YOU didn’t see any white supremacist imagery because YOU didn’t want to. The images are easily searched on Google but you won’t because you deny it exists. Heartless posted links, you ignored them. I remember last year when racist flyers were posted in West Seattle you posted here that it was no big deal, probably just kids and that there are so few racists here that it wasn’t a problem. When you ask us to post links/pictures you are being disingenuous and gaslighting us by asking us to use our emotional labor which you will then ignore, deny, and call fake news. These are all very common tactics of white supremacists. Finally, this post isn’t really for you, you know what you’re doing and why. This post is for everyone else reading these comments to show in real time how white supremacists try to flip the narrative by employing such techniques.

        • Bradley June 2, 2020 (1:38 am)

          You’re projecting what you want to see on the Olympia rally images. The people who attended weren’t there for “white supremacy”, they were there to fight the injustice of selective business closures. As as Asian male, I’ve had decades of experience dealing with real white supremacy, not the make-believe type that you think you see.

        • Justin Ardoin June 2, 2020 (4:29 pm)

          I mean, you are absolutely ignoring every piece of evidence presented to you, up to and including the whole thing being organized by white supremacists. The question I have is:1.) What do you have to refute anything presented thats leading you to believe it *wasnt* racist? Because all the things I’ve just seen are fairly convincing.2.) Lets be real – are you actually asian though? Like, I hate to ask that one but I’ve outed 3 alt right douche bags posing as minorities over similar things today alone and its getting kind of tiring. 

        • Bradley June 3, 2020 (2:14 am)

          How Asian am I supposed to be? Does it even matter? I don’t care what race you are, but I brought mine up because, apparently, only white males can be Conservatives. I became a Republican many decades ago after getting mature enough to realize what my parents and older relatives went through during WWII in FDRs prison camps. Their only “crime” was being U.S.-born American citizens. Even though they became very successful after the war and detention, they never fully recovered. Many of the scars didn’t show until they became elderly. FDR’s war crimes taught me the evils of Socialism and what happens when government becomes more important than the governed. We’re always seen as somehow “foreigners” in our own country, despite being here for generations. And now we’re being punished for being “too successful” by the very same Leftist ideology that put my family in camps. If that makes me “Alt Right”, so be it.

        • heartless June 3, 2020 (3:09 pm)

          “How Asian am I supposed to be? Does it even matter?”
          No, it doesn’t matter.  But you bring it up REALLY a lot, in fact when anyone calls you out on being insensitive to race politics, you tend to A) ignore the meat of the accusation and B) say you’re Asian (or sometimes that you are Jewish or that your wife is Asian or that your children are people of color).

          But no, it doesn’t matter.  What matters is this:
          Someone says: Man, that was racist.  
          You say: Those people aren’t racist!
          Someone says: Dude, they are waving confederate flags and the event was partly organized by recognized hate groups.
          And you say:  I’m Asian!

        • Bradley June 3, 2020 (8:52 pm)

          I find it VERY creepy and offensive that you stalk me on here, heartless. Is it too much for you to handle that I converted to Judaism when I married my wife? Are my half-Asian/half-white adult chidren acceptable to your racial purity test? I REALLY suggest you stop digging up my past posts. If this was Facebook, I would block you. But I am reporting you to the WSB. I will not respond to your posts again.

        • heartless June 4, 2020 (8:24 am)

          Right!  Another dodge! 

          THANK YOU! 

          This is exactly what I said you would do!!

  • uncle loco May 31, 2020 (6:09 pm)

    So you consider people trying to go back to work “white supremacists”? Either you are totally misinformed or a complete liar.

    • heartless June 1, 2020 (8:58 am)

      No?  Go back and read the links I offered?  There’s been a fair bit of work done showing the connections between various alt-right/hate groups and the re-opening protests.

  • Barb May 31, 2020 (7:25 pm)

    Those damaging & looting businesses already hurting in the pandemic, setting fires to cars,  spreading graffiti all over – they are the ones who “don’t give a s__t about Black Lives.”   They are not the peaceful protesters who DO care, and who are having their message out-shouted by the violence.   A curfew is a small price to pay to prevent more harm to an already hurting city.

    • SEAN JONES May 31, 2020 (9:21 pm)

      Thanks barb

  • Q May 31, 2020 (7:39 pm)

    Did they riot/ burn stuff / incite violence? If not I don’t see a good comparison here

  • Megan May 31, 2020 (8:52 pm)

    EXACTLY!!!!! SPOT ON.

• Beepee May 31, 2020 (1:46 pm)

  Does anyone know if more protests were planned and then cancelled for today ?

  • WSB May 31, 2020 (3:24 pm)

    There is a gathering downtown right now.
    https://twitter.com/lindseywasson/status/1267219084342464512

• G-Man May 31, 2020 (1:54 pm)

  This is why we should be our own city, nothing like happening downtown would ever happen over here, so why punish WS stores? this community is too good for that, also it could give us federal funds to fix the bridge 

  • Jon Wright May 31, 2020 (4:26 pm)

    This brilliant idea would also leave us with an insufficient tax base to run an independent city.

  • Brian May 31, 2020 (8:33 pm)

    This is honestly the stupidest thing I’ve heard all month. Nice job. 

  • AMD May 31, 2020 (9:33 pm)

    There is looting and nonsense happening at Southcenter right now (and suburbs of Chicago and other cities).  Being a suburb isn’t a force field against problems.

    • AMD May 31, 2020 (9:50 pm)

      Bellevue, too.  They have a curfew from 5:30pm-5:30am now.  

• Graciano May 31, 2020 (2:21 pm)

      I think it is more for the safety of everyone and not just to prevent more rioting. Come on people just handle it and do as the Mayor asks.

• Transplant May 31, 2020 (3:30 pm)

  Sorry Seattle and to the other cities that had to endure this
  destruction, it breaks my heart to see people destroy property that does not
  belong to them.  How many more people
  will lose jobs due to this destruction?  How many businesses will decide that it is not
  worth rebuilding and/or reopening? 
  Rioters (protesters) need to stop and think about the cost that impacts
  us all, this is no longer about an unprovoked death of a human being this is
  about the selfness of others.  Rest in
  peace to all that have died at the hands of others and from this virus. 

   

  Remember your action
  and in action have consequences!  Thank
  you for allowing me to voice my opinion.

• KT May 31, 2020 (3:45 pm)

  “While the city says businesses are allowed to be open during curfew hours, they’re not supposed to serve customers…”  Huh?

  • WSB May 31, 2020 (5:41 pm)

    #8 in the FAQ
    https://welcoming.seattle.gov/civil-emergency-curfew-order/

• Gargamel May 31, 2020 (4:08 pm)

  Everyone was all behind the mayor in enforcing social distancing and masks, now this curfew is too far?

• B May 31, 2020 (4:54 pm)

  Thriftway closing at 5pm. Last minute decision by the owner per the employee who just cashed me out.

• LC May 31, 2020 (4:57 pm)

  They are making decisions for us re:  our safety and the solution is to stay home.  I get it.  I should have been smart enough to check WSB earlier in the day instead of waiting to be surprised by the cell phone alert that I got at 4:45 for a 5:00 curfew. 

• Natinstl May 31, 2020 (5:26 pm)

  I just placed an order for food pickup. This sort of ridiculous to blankety apply to all of Seattle 

• Beepee May 31, 2020 (6:20 pm)

  Is the low bridge closed tonight as well?

  • WSB May 31, 2020 (11:17 pm)

    Live cameras show traffic crossing it.

• Mj May 31, 2020 (6:30 pm)

  Wow Bellevue police actually are making arrests of the looters and City’s mayor’s curfew is defined to the DT.  This is a stark difference from the Seattle response.

  • WSB May 31, 2020 (11:13 pm)

    No, the Bellevue curfew is not “just downtown.”
    https://bellevuewa.gov/city-news/bellevue-declares-emergency-sets-curfew
    Also, Seattle Police have made dozens of arrests. That was announced at the news conferences. Or just look at the jail register.

• Ellison May 31, 2020 (9:39 pm)

  Is it just me, or does 5 PM seem unrealistically (and unreasonably) early? It seems the Mayor sets the stage for rampant violation, both intentional and unintentional.

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