PARKING: SDOT’s decision is in – West Seattle Junction area gets an RPZ, and other changes

SDOT promised the final decision on a West Seattle Junction-area Restricted Parking Zone (RPZ) would be made by month’s end, and this afternoon, it’s in:

SDOT will be installing a new Restricted Parking Zone (RPZ) 35 in the West Seattle Junction in fall 2019 along with additional unpaid time limits and individual parking space changes.

RPZ 35 signs will be installed on the orange-lined blocks shown on the map, which will limit vehicles without RPZ 35 permits to 2-hour parking, 7 AM – 6 PM, Monday – Saturday.

All residents living within the orange-shaded area shown on the map will be eligible to purchase RPZ 35 permits. Vehicles displaying an RPZ 35 permit will be exempt from the 2-hour time limit on RPZ-signed blocks.

We will send residents in the orange-shaded area information on purchasing permits prior to RPZ sign installation. Permits are currently $65 per vehicle for a two-year cycle. One hang-tag guest permit is available per household. A $10 low-income permit is available.

Thank you to all who participated in this process.

Residents and businesses in the area will get this mailer (PDF) soon, too.

BACKSTORY ADDED: The decision follows March’s public hearing on the proposal (WSB coverage here). The final decision comes two and a half years after a Junction resident initiated the request – which in turn was seven years after the city had rejected the previous community request for one.

P.S. This will be West Seattle’s second RPZ; the first has been in place in Fauntleroy for more than a quarter-century.

74 Replies to "PARKING: SDOT's decision is in - West Seattle Junction area gets an RPZ, and other changes"

  • John June 24, 2019 (5:21 pm)

    Goodbye Junction as we know it.  I see this as a demise for all the small businesses in the Junction.  It will be extremely difficult for anyone outside of the Junction to shop or dine unless they are willing to walk several blocks.  The 6 Junction three hour free parking lots will be the next to go

    • Duwamesque June 24, 2019 (5:55 pm)

      Who isn’t willing to walk several blocks…? Is our car culture so ingrained a little walking is so unthinkable? The Junction is going to become the dense commercial hub of West Seattle with light rail coming in 2030. The commuter buses already land there from downtown, the water taxi shuttle, etc. Let’s think outside the box (or car) for a change.

      • Pelicans June 24, 2019 (7:41 pm)

        Many people, for whatever reason, are not able to walk more than a couple of blocks. Save the junction parking lots.

      • WSgrown June 24, 2019 (9:34 pm)

         West Seattle has alot of seniors. It’s difficult for them to walk blocks up and down hills. Think about others too

        • Duwamesque June 25, 2019 (8:15 am)

          Most of the assisted living facilities provide free shuttle transportation within West Seattle. There’s also the free water taxi shuttle. There’s also Lyft, Uber, and Metro busses (which are handi-capable). I somehow doubt the people raising the biggest fuss about losing parking are really so differently abled. This is about the entitlement of a car-centric culture.

          • WSRes all life June 26, 2019 (4:04 pm)

            I couldn’t disagree with you more. Those not able to walk those blocks and do t live at one of this facilities will have no choice but to go elsewhere. Uber, Lyft and Metro are not always a viable option for the vulnerable. Especially in the light of the news lately noting acts of violence against some who rides those services. Just to take my mobility challenged mother to the junction we have to circle quite a bit just to get parking. Then if not available I drop her off as close as I can to where we’re going and drive off to park a few blocks away. I agree zoning is where we have designed this area to need but the challenge is real. 

      • Smittytheclown June 25, 2019 (6:38 am)

        Those poor homeowners in and around 40th and Dakota. Hear come the cars!

    • Jort June 24, 2019 (6:10 pm)

      Perhaps these ruined, devastated small businesses can head to the thriving parking paradise of Westwood Village, where a vast ocean of blacktop surrounds every building, providing more than enough space for thousands of car-loving shoppers?          Or, you know, maybe the Junction is transitioning from an automobile-centered business model to a person-centered one. But don’t just take my word for it, take the word of the West Seattle Junction Association, who put out a survey and discovered that only 10 percent of visitors choose to go to the Junction because of “free parking.”   (       Yours will not be the first comment to erroneously predict the “demise” of the Junction, and I’m certain it won’t be the last. 

    • Karen June 24, 2019 (6:20 pm)

      It isn’t doomsday for the Junction.  You will have more opportunity when the commuter parkers move off the streets nearest the merchants.

    • West Seattle Guy June 24, 2019 (6:23 pm)

      It’s basically fine if you come after six, or stay less than two hours if during the day middle of the day.That said I’m not a fan of RPZs unless absolutely necessary. And I don’t think we will be there umtil light rail opens.

    • Beetlecat June 24, 2019 (6:50 pm)

      This would seem to mean the opposite? With restricted time-limited parking, this will force more car turnover, and keep people from “camping” all day in front of these same shops. The difficulty in finding parking for shopping and dining is occurring *now*.Unless I’m totally misreading this?People *working* at those small shops will have to park the 2-3 blocks away… ;)

    • datamuse June 24, 2019 (11:54 pm)

      Sure, that’s why nobody goes out to Capitol Hill or Ballard or the ID anymore. 

    • Dan June 25, 2019 (12:45 am)

      You can’t be serious?  Have you been to the Junction?  Did you not see that there are multiple parking lots in the area for people to use? Not to mention this will most likely help keep people from parking in the area for weeks on end… 

  • Ron Swanson June 24, 2019 (5:37 pm)

    Oh no, not walking several blocks!!Seriously, though, this is actually good for small businesses.  Encouraging parking spaces to turn over more often means more parking for customers, rather than commuters leaving their car there all day.

  • M June 24, 2019 (6:15 pm)

    I am thankful for the decision.  Shoppers will still have a 2 hr free time slot and my street near  the Junction will not be jammed with all day parkers.

  • Kevin June 24, 2019 (6:16 pm)

    That’s ridiculous.  This just pushes out all the park and ride people a block.  If you’re staying a long time, you can walk an extra block.  If you’re in the junction for less than two hours, now you’ll be able to actually find a decent parking spot.  Bravo people!!

    • Smittytheclown June 25, 2019 (6:41 am)

      Unless you live just outside the zone this is a win/win.  Those poor homeowners will now get the all day campers.

  • MrB June 24, 2019 (6:26 pm)

    This and the ever rising property taxes on the merchant parking lots is going to kill the small businesses in the Junction. Soon it will be too expensive to offer free parking and developers will build on those lots. The final nail in the coffin will be the return of parking meters. Seattle killed the Junction once and it’s happening again. Guess we’ll drive to Burien for dinner/shopping. 

    • West Seattle since 1979 June 24, 2019 (7:48 pm)

      Seems like this will mean more actual shoppers will be able to access the Junction parking spots. It sounds like now there are people parking there in the morning, then riding buses to work, and not coming to pick up their cars until evening. With time restrictions, it’ll mean that actual shoppers will be able to park there. 

  • M June 24, 2019 (6:27 pm)

    Thankful for the passing of the new parking restriction.  Shoppers will still have  2 hours of free parking, and my location, near Junction, will not have all day parkers taking up all the parking day after day.  Now, it is practically Impossible for service vehicles to park, much less an occasional visitor.

  • Steve June 24, 2019 (7:50 pm)

    Yet another handout to the home owning elite. What’s next, special driving lanes for residents? We need to charge market rates for all street parking spots in the city 24/7 and let the market decide what automobile storage is worth. The public right of way is certainly worth more than the  the $1> per day this RPZ implies. This will only encourage the car culture that is melting our planet. 

    • WS Guy June 24, 2019 (9:00 pm)

      Pffft.  This is a handout to the apartment elite, who don’t build parking and can now advertise the RPZ.

      • ttt June 24, 2019 (10:29 pm)

        Exactly WS guy..homeowners should not have to pay anything for RPZ. We are invested in the community because we are long term.

        • Ice June 25, 2019 (6:33 am)

          Apartment dwellers pay the exact same taxes as you do, why should they not be eligible for the same benefits? Thinking you deserve free street parking because you own a home and are therefore ‘invested in the community’ has to be one of the most comically entitled things I have read on this blog. Nobody owes you free, publicly subsidized storage for your car.Parking would not be nearly as much of an issue if rather than having ridiculous subsidies like RPZs, everyone just paid market rate to park there car in public ROW. Obvious exception for disabled placard holders, of course. If you give something away completely for free, people tend to abuse and over-consume it.

  • Nolan June 24, 2019 (7:50 pm)

    When is the city planning to subsidize everyone else who chose to buy property without car storage, then complained about not having a place to store their car?

    • Karen June 25, 2019 (7:19 pm)

      If you had purchased your home thirty, forty, even fifty or sixty years years ago as my neighbors did, parking was not an issue.  Our community has become dense around us when we need the clearest access to the homes we worked thirty years or more to buy. There is not one single ‘elitist’ on this block.   If you don’t live in the RPZ please stop judging!

  • Hil June 24, 2019 (7:57 pm)

    Everyone mocking the comment about walking several blocks should remember there are folks with limited mobility. I’m still fairly young but arthritis makes every block feel like a mile. That said, I think this could be a positive change.

    • Mark H June 26, 2019 (6:30 am)

      ….and cars with disabled hangtags basically can park where ever they want for as long as they want, so I’m not sure your point.  Look at any of the steep streets downtown one day – every car will have a disabled permit. 

  • KBear June 24, 2019 (9:15 pm)

    While I’m glad that the people in the townhouses around the corner will now have incentive to use their own off-street parking spaces, I don’t see this as a win for the neighborhood. If people are driving to a place where they can catch the bus, that’s better than driving all the way to work. And folks who work in the Junction aren’t allowed to park in the free lots. Why should they be forced to park further away than the nearest streets? The people who live in the RPZ should use their own garages and driveways. The city doesn’t owe them priority street parking. 

  • Joe Z June 24, 2019 (11:34 pm)

    I’ve lived in several RPZs in Seattle…they don’t really do much to free up parking spaces. If commuters are actually taking up spots it will help with that. I’ll be curious to see if more people start parking by Yancy/Avalon since there are always available spots close to that bus stop.The notable thing about the map is that most of the blocks on are RPZ signed blocks which allow 72 hour parking for residents. In Capitol Hill only about half the blocks are RPZ signed and the other half are 2 hours for everyone.  Those are the blocks that are actually useful for keeping spots open for businesses. The signed blocks are generally just vehicle storage for residents without much car turnover. Especially if demand is really high, then it encourages people to leave their car where it is. When I had a zone 21 permit a parking spot was extremely valuable and I didn’t use my car unless I really had to. There can be far more permits given out than there are available parking spots. 

  • Azimuth June 24, 2019 (11:52 pm)

    If turnover is the issue why not just have the 2 hour parking and skip the RPZ? I generally disagree selling permits to use public right of way to exclusive groups.

    • Jon Wright June 25, 2019 (8:13 am)

      I agree with you totally: signing everything for 2 hours and no RPZ. RPZs are nothing but a giveaway of public resources.

  • Tracey June 25, 2019 (7:12 am)

    I find it funny that the city has chosen where it thinks street parking is OK as a park n ride.  Try finding a parking spot weekdays on the street near the water taxi.  Then when there is highway closures, they encourage it further.   They sure seem to have their own agenda.

  • LAintheJunction June 25, 2019 (7:19 am)

    As a Junction resident, I’m fine with this. Commuters and Junction employees will have to walk a max 4 blocks from non-RPZ streets to be able to catch a bus or go to work, and shoppers will have more and closer options to park since there will be more turnover of available parking spaces within the RPZ. Those of us who live within the RPZ will have the choice to either use existing off-street parking at our residences, pay the fee and park on the street, park a few blocks away ourselves, or (gasp!) not have a car. This isn’t the “end of the Junction.” It’s the logical next step to dealing with the growth of our neighborhood and ensuring that there is room for everyone. 

  • 42nd Mom June 25, 2019 (8:48 am)

    We are in a block right off of the RPZ. Although we have off street parking we will probably not be able to park in front of the house if we need to. Apartment dwellers certainly do not pay the same property taxes that homeowners do. A portion of their rent goes to property taxes.  The property taxes keep going up and up and up! Exclusive rights? Home owning elite? You pay for a house and the exorbitant property taxes on it, you expect, but are not entitled to, to be able to park in front of your house. Plain and simple. Those right out of the RPZ zones with small children will be deeply impacted. Elderly right out of the RPZ zones will be deeply impacted. The employees of the schools and churches will be deeply impacted. These streets are dark and there have been multiple robberies in this area. If you don’t have off street parking do you want your grandmother or person with little kids walking two blocks to their house in the dark (fall and winter darkness)? This is ridiculous. This sucks for many and not just the “elite” and “exclusive” homeowners.  Before anyone jumps on me I ride the bus to work. We have one car. We walk to the junction on a regular basis. There’s absolutely ZERO elitism going on in our household. Most apartments and other rentals in West Seattle are way more than our mortgage. But because we own our home, my family is regarded as elitist?  This affects both homeowners and non-homeowners and people who work in the area. 

    • Tsurly June 25, 2019 (11:35 am)

       Dealing with parking comes with living in a urban environment, so you may not have the convenience of parking directly in front of your house. You own your home, have an off street place to park your car, can take public transit to work, and can easily walk to the junction; sounds like you a pretty ideal setup. You don’t sound like an elitist, just a whiner.   

      • dhg June 25, 2019 (11:58 am)

        Keep it nice. Debate the issues, not the person.

      • CMT June 25, 2019 (12:43 pm)

        I don’t think she sounds like a whiner at all.  Her concerns are very valid.  While you may be correct that this is something that people in an increasingly urban environment may ultimately be required to adapt to, it is a negative change to certain residents’ current environment.  No need to minimize her thoughts as “whining.”

      • 42nd Mom June 25, 2019 (2:49 pm)

         TSURLY – How is what I wrote considering to be whining?  I mention people with young children, the elderly and employees in the area being affected by this RPZ.  And I don’t have young children, I’m not elderly and I don’t work in WS.  I mention that non-homeowners and homeowners alike will be affected.  Yes, I am a homeowner, but the bank actually owns my home if you want to get technical.  The property taxes are astronomical. I have one car that can be parked off of the street with 2 drivers in my family and soon to be one more driver.  Totally an ideal set up most of the time until it isn’t.  I can take public transit to work and have for the last 25 years – you are so right such an ideal set up when buses are cancelled with no notice or don’t show up and make you late to work.  Or the schedule changes and drastically affects your schedule, your spouse’s schedule and getting kids to school. Buses are sometimes horribly packed like sardines and don’t stop to pickup others.  If life happens and I miss the bus, I am late to work. And if I have to get to a sick child it really is an ideal setup.   Riding the bus is certainly ideal and glamorous. The price is right though at $5.50 a day. Yep, I can easily walk to the junction, to the Admiral District and many other places.  I visit restaurants, shops and stores in my community either on foot and if I need to drive, I can.  This response has some whining, my original post did not.

    • chemsit June 25, 2019 (11:53 am)

      If you want to expand the RPZ by two contiguous blocks or less, it’s a streamlined process that only has to involve people on those blocks.  I’m not sure if you have to show 75% occupancy+ and 35%+ non-resident usage in just the few blocks of the expansion or of 20 blockfaces including RPZ’ed areas too.

  • mc June 25, 2019 (9:00 am)

    I actually live here at the Junction for the past five years and I can tell you that much of the street parking is taken up by construction workers who park their cars from 6am-3:30pm. As construction has been ongoing in this immediate area for several years and continues unabated, this problem was only going to continue. The fact that developers don’t have to provide parking solutions for their crews is just another of the adverse impacts of growth that the rest of us have to endure since our elected officials —yes you, Lisa Herbold, don’t advocate for mitigating the impact of development on existing residents. This could be easily addressed as church lots sit empty all day. Hey Church leaders want to provide a real service to your community? Open up the lots during the week for parking for all workers—construction, retail employees, nannies, etc.  Let’s create a solution here as our elected officials have no interest in doing so. 

    • KBear June 25, 2019 (10:40 am)

      MC, most churches have events going on throughout the week. Their parking lots are needed for their members and the people they serve. Nice try, though.

      • WSB June 25, 2019 (11:13 am)

        Some parking lots already have been repurposed during the down time. One example, West Seattle Christian’s lot at Genesee/41st – park and ride for tech employees whose employer buses them to work off-peninsula.

      • ACG June 26, 2019 (11:27 am)

        For the churches which also have schools, the parking lots double as blacktop play areas for recess and PE classes for the kids during the day. Being in the middle of the junction means that they have to multi-task their property to the max with areas being used for multiple purposes during the day.  

      • mc June 26, 2019 (3:15 pm)

        I see the empty lots as I walk by them every day. I know the Lutheran school uses their lot for the kids to play in but the other lots are empty. Even the lot for Microsoft employees is only ever 1/3 full. If we really want to come up with solutions why not look at these opportunities? When we wait for elected officials to come to the rescue we end up with what we’ve got—a system that only supports developers, not residents. BTW: shout out to the Lutheran school for their amazing garden and volunteers that make it happen, especially the delightful senior woman who is always really great about talking about her plants. 

  • John June 25, 2019 (9:47 am)

    Monetize ALL Street Parking.Simple solution, fair to all.

    • Jon Wright June 25, 2019 (1:16 pm)

      Yes! Just make sure it is at market rates. The cost of an RPZ sticker ($65/2 years) is nowhere near what the market rate for parking would be.

      • Matt June 25, 2019 (8:11 pm)

        Just what should a resident pay to park his car?  Someone without a garage?   Isn’t that what property taxes are for?

        • Jon Wright June 25, 2019 (10:48 pm)

          You use a system like a clearing price auction to set the price of parking permits. 

          • chemist June 26, 2019 (11:04 am)

            The problem with that is that a homeowner who mostly parks in their garage but might want to park in the street a few times a month will probably not be willing to pay as much as an apartment resident who can save $100/mo by forgoing parking in their building in favor of an RPZ.  You might incentivize empty private parking capacity by setting the price high and discourage residents from opting to get RPZs they rarely use (if only 10% of residents apply for an RPZ, it’s not serving residents like it was designed to do).

  • Alki Mom June 25, 2019 (11:24 am)

    I think they should do the same thing on Alki, maybe with a 4h limit, so people can go to the beach, but that would sure help the residents in the summer!

  • dhg June 25, 2019 (12:02 pm)

    First I want to add to the voices that say this will free up parking in the Junction for business patrons.  It doesn’t reduce their options unless they plan to stay for more than 2 hours.Second, I’m struck by the comment that said a study shows that only 10% of the Junctions go because of the free parking.  I find that an odd statistic and I’d like to know how that question had been phrased.  Nobody goes for the parking, free or otherwise.  I think the impact of putting up meters would cut into business.  I’m there usually twice a day and if I had to pay for parking and monitor my time, I’d likely find other places to go.    

  • Mark Schletty June 25, 2019 (1:09 pm)

    DHG— that comment came from Jort. He hates cars. He cherrypicked the number. The 10% response for free parking was in a question that asked the “main” reason people visited the Junction, like quality of goods, friendliness, etc..  A little later in the survey  43% of the respondents said, in a parking specific question, that they would not come to the Junction without free parking. In my opinion, one should always take Jort comments with a grain of salt.

    • newnative June 25, 2019 (2:16 pm)

      Talk about cherry-picking. The 10% response for free parking is the deal breaker reason. Why you would go here versus some other shopping/village destination.  The 43% number indicates people who agree with “they wouldn’t come to the Junction without free parking” but only 18% feel strongly about it. Further on down it says 10% of respondents already don’t frequent the Junction because of the scarcity of parking. And in the beginning of the survey there is the reminder that the respondents are the ones most interested in the Junction. There are plenty of people in West Seattle that really don’t care. 

  • MJ June 25, 2019 (1:29 pm)

    Simply monetize the street parking.  All residents of Seattle should have access to street parking on PUBLIC streets.  While discussing parking it seams time to charge for parking at parks like Lincoln Park.  Vancouver BC charges for parking at Stanley Park.  A revenue source that can be avoided with changed choices.

  • Not Happy June 25, 2019 (3:21 pm)

    The church and school take an entire block but they don’t get RPZ credit.  Great!  So if I go there to volunteer, I’m limited to 2 hours.  If there is a funeral and reception, guests will need to go out and move their car while there.  The only people parking on that street will be the apartment dwellers, that live a block away, with their RPZ passes.  I feel sorry for the teachers and clergy members who won’t be able to park at their school or church.  

  • St June 25, 2019 (3:24 pm)

    Which ever side of the issue you are on, the city will likely be patrolling the RPZ and border so make sure you are parking legally (not blocking a fire hydrant, driveway, not within 30’ of a stop sign, etc) and have your tabs up to date. I see these examples all too often but enforcement is lax, especially when you get more than a few blocks off of California.  “A word to the wise is sufficient.”

  • ay June 25, 2019 (4:41 pm)

    The residents on the marked streets should not have to pay anything. 

    • Jon Wright June 25, 2019 (8:24 pm)

      The residents should quit complaining and be grateful for the sweetheart deal they are getting on the use of public right-of-way. $65/2 years is about as close to free parking as you can get.

    • Nolan June 26, 2019 (2:55 am)

      Residents should be paying significantly more than a pittance to exclude everyone else from using city-owned parking around their house. $65 per month would be much closer to fair.

      • BJG June 26, 2019 (10:41 am)

        Nolan, read the rules. You are NOT excluded from parking in an RPZ. 

        • Nolan June 26, 2019 (3:27 pm)

          I’m aware of your point, while you’ve utterly missed mine. By definition, the city-owned parking space in the RPZ now excludes non-residents from using it like any other city-owned parking space. Residents of the RPZ therefore should be compensating the city fairly for the exclusive right to use it like normal city-owned parking. Say, on the order of the cost of a reserved parking spot.

          Is there any place in the city where someone can pay $32.50 a year for guaranteed parking? $325? No? Then the RPZ permit cost is far too low.

          • Kevin June 26, 2019 (6:11 pm)

            Nolan, first get your facts correct. An RPZ doesn’t guarantee parking. This will be RPZ #35 in Seattle. Did you protest the designation of the other 34 zones? Do you also have a problem with parking zones for food trucks, police vehicles, disabled persons, car pools, car shares, and the remaining list of City parking spots that aren’t inclusive enough for you?

  • KM June 25, 2019 (6:31 pm)

    I can always count on the RPZ/parking comments to overvalue homeowners’ “importance” to their neighborhood and highlight their struggle of owning a home in a desirable neighborhood, and also devalue and crap on renters. 

  • Matt June 25, 2019 (8:08 pm)

    Check back in a few years and see what those $65 residential parking permits cost.  They should be no cost to the homeowner.

    • Nolan June 26, 2019 (3:30 pm)

      On the contrary, they should be charged commensurate to the value of guaranteed parking in Seattle. The city has no business subsidizing their choice to own a car while wanting to store it on someone else’s property. $5 a day seems like a steal for guaranteed parking, don’t you think?

      • WSB June 26, 2019 (3:38 pm)

        Note that RPZs do NOT guarantee anyone parking. They only “guarantee” that the holder can park during the restricted hours – if they find a space.

  • Karen June 25, 2019 (8:14 pm)

    If you had purchased your home thirty, forty, even fifty or sixty years years ago as my neighbors did, parking was not an issue.  Our community has become dense around us when we need the clearest access to the homes we worked thirty years or more to buy. There is not one single ‘elitist’ on this block.   If you don’t live in the RPZ please stop judging!

  • Jason B June 25, 2019 (8:40 pm)

    So, let’s see. 45th Ave is a wide-sized street with room for parking on both sides of the street and still handle two lanes of traffic, but will now be restricted – causing those cars to move down one block or two on the streets that can’t support them like 46th and 47th, with residents being woke up at 6am to the sound of the honking horns of commuters locking their cars. Then make all WS an RPZ and stop this nonsense. 

  • LoveWS June 26, 2019 (6:50 am)

    The funny thing about the RPZ is that people actually believe cars will literally only be there for 2 hours. I know a lot of people in other RPZ areas around the city where people don’t care if they get a ticket or not, it’s actually budgeted into their monthly expenses as there’s no where else to park in some other areas. It’s also not enforced enough to warrant people to care. I have spoken to  construction workers around West Seattle who park illegally and don’t care because their company just pays the tickets. They will park in the RPZ zone while working then move their car a foot or two every two hours.  The time it takes for parking enforcement to monitor all this, well, very few cars will get tickets.

  • BJG June 26, 2019 (8:02 am)

    There will still be lots of parking on both sides, just more turnover, and lots more traffic and noise on 45th. Rude drivers with their blaring car radios at all hours, motorcycles, construction vehicles, and delivery trucks all pretend this is the new arterial even though we have stop signs at every block. And as a non-arterial residential side street we are technically in a 20mph zone. That’s laughable now. We are the new California Avenue. It gets worse by the month. The blocks nearby will be sharing what we already have been living with.  An RPZ does nothing to mitigate the rest of our neighborhood traffic problems. If 46th and 47th need and RPZ, go for it.

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