FOLLOWUP: One flipped car removed from Genesee double-crash scene

If you were traveling along the SW Genesee hill between Avalon and Delridge earlier this week, you might have noticed that startling sight – two flipped cars alongside a residential building on the north side of the street. Several who missed our original coverage have asked what happened. We published this story late Christmas Eve about the first crash there, after several hours of snow; about two hours later, the second crash happened, as reported by commenters – including the second car’s driver. No injuries, so no SFD callout for the second crash; the owner of that car told us today that their insurance company arranged for its removal last night. As of less than an hour ago, though, the first car is still there.

Swede. December 29, 2017 (2:50 pm)

Seattleites + snow = impressive/impossible accidents.

WSB December 29, 2017 (2:59 pm)

More Seattle than Seattleites. Imagine what we might see from another hilly city, San Francisco, if it got snow more than once every 30+ years or so:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/27/us/27snow.html
- Swede. December 29, 2017 (5:06 pm)
  
  But we get snow every year… (at least the last 18 I lived here, granted not a lot and for any extended time more than once in awhile. ) and it’s the same panic and unreal crashes every time.
  
  Main issue I see, except for the genaral poor driving, is the ‘I got four wheel drive so I can haul ass’. Well, you won’t stop better though.

Wut December 29, 2017 (3:39 pm)

Grey/Silver cars should avoid this area..

Chemist December 29, 2017 (4:41 pm)

To be fair to the drivers, it looks like a pretty awkwardly sloped driveway for ice/snow.

https://goo.gl/maps/FAJvL4CzQg22

dsa December 29, 2017 (6:31 pm)

It looks like Chemist found one reason that this happened to two drivers.
- KC December 29, 2017 (11:40 pm)
  
  So please notice if you click on the link to the right by the dumpsters there is a 6”curb along that area, and along the top of the rockery pit there is nothing other than a very small burm of asphalt to direct ran water no rail, no curb, no guard rail, with so many cars that have gone over I would wonder when your supposed negligents of the drivers choice and or ability might shift to property owners doing nothing to keep cars out of the pit
  
  In Constructing a deck, or porch ,if it is higher than 18” the city requires a guard rail. To protect people from falling off
  
  OSHA requires fall protection when work at a height above 4 feet.
  
  But is OK to have several cars go over over a number of years and yet nothing is done.
  
  Clear and Present hazard? You be the judge

annaeileen December 29, 2017 (6:05 pm)

that is the third car I have seen end up in the spot in the past couple of years. I think it’s hard for some drivers if it’s dark and/or wet and they don’t realize there is that drop off.

KC December 29, 2017 (11:20 pm)

It as boggles my mind that people will comment as if they know all the fact,

being the driver of the second vehicle that went over I can tell first hand that speed nor drugs or drinking were involved.

One should ask after two cars go over one pulling into and one pulling out why after the first car goes over there was not cones,caution tape, even rock salt spread on the area. Had then been something to have alerted me to the first car having gone over I would not have exited that way.

Also one might ask why some sort of fencing, posts, guardrail has not been installed seeing there as been serval other cars have gone into that pit one on a clear and warm Labor Day weekend no snow and ice involved.

It is clear this area is a hazard, there has not been a railing or guard rail here since 2006 per google earth search

This could have been so much worse,

So I would recommend before sprouting off and suggesting speed and other factors played a roll in what happened please no the facts.

While the snow and incline played a factor, so did the fact no protective barriers did as well

dsa December 30, 2017 (12:22 am)

The only fact apparent is the is the steep slope and curve shown in the photo. Someone went over on a clear warm day?

Sam-c December 30, 2017 (6:15 am)

If you read the article, you’ll see it happened on Xmas eve, night. NOT “clear warm”
- Sam-c December 30, 2017 (6:34 am)
  
  Oh, isee you are responding to KCs comment. I hadn’t heard of that instance. Yikes!
KC December 30, 2017 (6:59 am)

DSA, your one sided view of this is clouding you ability to see all the facts!

Another fact (Not the only one as you have stated) is someone EVEN went over on a warm and sunny day, represents a clear and present Hazard., only compounded when there is slick road conditions, There are millions of miles of guard rail along federal and state Highways keeping people safe from topographical hazards. You can bet if a single car went over a hazard on I-5 that was not protected there would would be something installed in short order. You should look at all the facts before assume all the cars that have gone into the Pit did so by Drivers inabilitie to operate a car safely. There is a clear and present hazard that needs to be addressed,
- Swede. December 30, 2017 (10:37 am)
  
  It’s private property so a rail or other ‘protective’ things is up to them to put in to help drivers not drive of the parking lot… not the the city. Comparing a state highway (I-5) where the speed limit are 60mph to a private parking lot where the speed limit is 10mph is a bit silly, things gets messed up and dangerous quickly at 60mph!
  
  According to the survey done in 2009 there is 9800 vehicles driving on Genesee SW daily. Probably a bit more now 8 years layer and likey a bit less the 3 years before when there supposedly was a rail there. That’s roughly 29000000 drivers total. We have three (3) alleged accident in total described here. Clearly environmental and not drivers problem…
  
  Paying attention is contrary to the expression actually free. If it’s snowy and it’s unknown ground, don’t drive there! IF it’s known to be a strange off camber surface and also known there is a pit without protections, definitely DON’T drive there.
  
  Just my 2 cents.
  - Kc December 30, 2017 (12:11 pm)
    
    Swede
    
    You are entitled to you 2cents seeing I presume you were not involved
    
    google maps shows pictures in a time line back 11 years and at 2006 there was no protective barriers at that time. So your 3 year number is incorrect no one has debated weather it is city or private property. Does that really matter? We should agree that area is a hazards regardless as to it’s ownership. I believe the comparison to a highway is fair and just. And hazard is a hazard regardless where it . You can crunch the numbers all you want it will not change the fact that cars should never land in that pit again
    
    the slide I experienced was likely at less than 10 mph and could have been just as catistrofic as a crash at 60mph on I-5 the fact it was not is something I get to ponder the rest of my life

momosmom December 30, 2017 (4:26 am)

Wow some of you need to slow down and re-read what you’re posting and try not to be the 1st one to get your “last word” in and try not to be such know it all’s.

Sorry, comment time is over.