WAS PINNED: Welcome to WSB’s next chapter!

Hello! As of tonight, January 15th, WSB is emerging from its first-ever major technical overhaul, in “beta” mode. It’s our next chapter, in partnership with you. Packing up 10 years worth of news, information, and discussion and moving it into a new shell turned out to be mightily complex; it had to be done to get to a point where we now have the ability to add, expand, improve. What you’re seeing now is just the start of WSB’s next chapter; much of what happened is “under the hood” but the look is different as well because the one we’d had since 2005 wouldn’t work with current upgrades. WSB has always been “community-collaborative news” – your tips, your comments, your events, your concerns – and now we will appreciate your collaboration on tweaking what’s live now, and then as the weeks and months go on, your ideas for what more is needed to truly serve our community. For now the biggest change is that we’re using more of the screen and surfacing more of what’s always been happening “inside” WSB – comments, forum posts, lost/found pets – and alongside in social-media channels. We look forward to talking with you here and/or via e-mail at editor@westseattleblog.com. P.S. Thanks to the thousands of readers who have joined us on our backup site as we continued covering the news there this past week.

154 Replies to "WAS PINNED: Welcome to WSB's next chapter!"

  • t January 15, 2016 (6:09 pm)

    Welcome back!!!Your wordpress page worked just fine, but there’s nothing quite like home.

  • Iggy January 15, 2016 (6:14 pm)

    Welcome back.  Excellent job.       For those of us with eye problems and smaller screens, the flashing in the large banner at the top of all pages can cause stress.  Is there a way to delete the banner or at least make it stop flashing.  I’m an older person who doesn’t use or need any of the links on the banner page.  The flashing items are interesting, but I get vertigo from flash/moving text.  Thank you so much.  Love you guys.

    • WSB January 15, 2016 (6:16 pm)

      Iggy – if you mean the “ticker” at the top – try hitting the “stop” button (orange, to the right of the headline). Thanks for the feedback.

      • Iggy January 15, 2016 (6:19 pm)

        Thanks WSB, I just clicked on the “stop” button and though the banner is still rather large, the flashing has stopped.  I’m happy.  Ig

        • Joe Szilagyi January 15, 2016 (6:32 pm)

          Iggy, how big is the banner for you? What OS and browser? It looks very modest for me on Chrome, Firefox, and Safari on OSX, and the same on IE on Windows 7. 

        • PSPS January 15, 2016 (6:37 pm)

          Use Firefox and install the free NoScripts plugin.Then, block the jquery.com script to get rid of the text in the banner and then block the ajax.googleapis.com script to eliminate the banner completely.

          • JanS January 15, 2016 (6:59 pm)

            hello, what? Some of us need layman’s terms…

          • Joe Szilagyi January 15, 2016 (7:15 pm)

            He basically said to reverse the polarity. 

  • Jessie January 15, 2016 (6:22 pm)

    Love the update! Nice job. 

  • LBJ January 15, 2016 (6:22 pm)

    Looking good!

  • Joe Szilagyi January 15, 2016 (6:23 pm)

    It looks fantastic!

    • Joe Szilagyi January 15, 2016 (6:25 pm)

      Replying to specific comments! It’s Christmas!

      • Joe Szilagyi January 15, 2016 (6:31 pm)

        One possible issue – I tried to upload an image on my “It’s Christmas!” comment and I don’t see it. All ad blocking disabled, on Chrome. I can’t see the image on other browsers either.I’m trying an image url to http://i.imgur.com/tyUS59z.png on this one. 

      • JanS January 15, 2016 (7:01 pm)

        nope…don’t see your picture, either

  • hopey January 15, 2016 (6:27 pm)

    Congratulations on the launch! It looks great!

  • miws January 15, 2016 (6:30 pm)

    Love the “new website” smell! Thanks, WSB, and the WSB Tech Team! Mike

  • LBJ January 15, 2016 (6:31 pm)

    FYI: When hitting the house icon on the top of the page (I assumed ‘home’) it took me to a page about ‘Blog Bowling’ from 7 years 10 months ago?

    • Joe Szilagyi January 15, 2016 (6:40 pm)

      Same, it’s linked to https://westseattleblog.com/blog  as a hard link in this element:

      <a href=”https://westseattleblog.com/blog” class=”wsbiconclass”><span class=”fa fa-home”></span></a>

      Which seems to be an old redirect to:  https://westseattleblog.com/forums-2/topic/blog-bowling/

      • westseattledood January 15, 2016 (7:24 pm)

        Yup, me too Joe, righ to the 2008 Bowling Forum Discussion!  Nostalgic! The HOME word button takes me to home page, but house icon and orange pause button with back/forward arrows only (there is no stop button for me takes me to Bowling page – fwiw, I am on Opera Turbo with Disconnect on my Mac though that usually isn’t an issue unless you have Flash behind there somewhere?  Sometimes, but not always, it doesn’t play nice.But wow!  What a great step forward WSB!  It looks and reads so purdy.  All clean and shiny! Way to get it done.  Man, what a project that has to have been.  But it is done! WooHoo for YOU! Congratulations!

    • Trickycoolj January 15, 2016 (8:02 pm)

      Same here. I got really confused thinking ooooh bowling party to celebrate… Wait a minute that says 2008. :)

  • Valerie January 15, 2016 (6:42 pm)

    I LOVE the look! Nice work! I just checked out the Restaurants tab and noticed that if I select a neighborhood in the drop-down, all the restaurant listings disappear. I tried several neighborhoods that should have had a lot of listings. Going back to the Select option brings all of the listings back. Chrome browser.

    • WSB January 15, 2016 (6:55 pm)

      Valerie – thank you. The restaurant guide was customized to facilitate searching and probably more likely than any other part of the site to have some bugs, so thanks for the feedback. – TR

  • Diane January 15, 2016 (6:51 pm)


    so glad to see that temp site go away, and the new site
    appear; with my super slow internet, it took about ½ hour to open this page;
    thankfully I could see Iggy’s comment, and how to stop the moving banner; then
    I was finally able to see this whole story

    the real test will be on my tablet; I could not access any
    story this entire past week on my tablet, no matter what I tried; all I could
    see were the ads; hope to god this new site will open on my tablet; I’m afraid
    that moving banner may cause an issue; we’ll see

    and fyi; agree with Iggy; I also get vertigo from moving
    visuals on computer screen and always have to turn off

  • Lauren January 15, 2016 (7:03 pm)

    Looking good! Are you still using WordPress? Is this built with Thesis?

  • Dartanyon January 15, 2016 (7:09 pm)

    Hey there, seems like there might be something wrong on tablets. It’s loading the entire sponsors list before the article in portrait mode. Retina iPad latest iOS

  • JoeS January 15, 2016 (7:11 pm)

    The site looks great on Safari on iphones, both front page and single story pages. Seems to be the mobile profile. The threaded comments there look great — nice indentation, much cleaner/obvious than the desktop version. On my iPad in Safari the home page looks OK, but the banner seems to load slowly and then not reliably lock in place — it comes and goes.On the iPad in Safari on the single pages, the ENTIRE line of adverts/sponsors lines up top to bottom and you need to scroll past them to reach the story body. 

    • WSB January 15, 2016 (7:20 pm)

      Lauren – yes, this is still WordPress. Part of what took so long and made this so complex – and with shakedown elements still under way – is that we were stuck at 3.4, which was a September 2012 release, and could not upgrade further because of our old theme and other factors, but WP is now all the way up to 4.4.1 – which is where we are. No, it’s not Thesis, it’s a customized theme with a bunch of plug-ins, something we also couldn’t take much advantage of with our circa-2005 theme.

      The mobile version is via the plug-in wpTouch, which we used before, though also at a much lower version. The reason we are explaining this as “just the start” is that everything under the hood now is capable of many more features than we’re exploring or enabling for starters, so give us some time to walk before running.

      Joe mentioned comment image-uploading. That is a specific feature we requested, as it has great potential especially during breaking news, so sorry if it’s not working out of the box, we’ll get on it. Thanks for your patience – TR

  • Elisabeth January 15, 2016 (7:32 pm)

    Love the new design! Good job! You guys are a lesson in great customer service.

  • Elisabeth January 15, 2016 (7:40 pm)

    Some specific things I like: 1) the current temp at the top of the page; 2) the traffic cam photos are all dated TODAY (in the past some were several days old); 3) larger easier-to-see photos.

    • WSB January 15, 2016 (7:55 pm)

      Elisabeth – the traffic-cam images were frozen for some reason on the backup site, and we couldn’t fix that, so sorry about that. The larger photos are another thing we specifically wanted, and if we start entering them a particular way, we also should be able to utilize another feature we wanted, the ability to click and open a “lightbox” with a much larger version. This will be especially excellent for those wonderful beauty shots – birds, seascapes, etc. – that are kindly contributed. But it’s a different workflow for me so I have to phase into it.

      Matt S. – thank you. We were using a CDN with a particular caching plug-in on the old site and it had some serious drawbacks so we are not doing that now, at least for starters. But again, this is an evolution, and we are now just at the start, whereas with our old shell, we were at the end of the road. And then some.

  • Matt S. January 15, 2016 (7:46 pm)

    Congrats on the launch, WSB! I noticed along with other readers that the ad column precedes a story when things get tablet width and lower. The footer “how to contact us” also 404s, and it seems like you’d shave a whole lot of bandwidth with some optimization: this page (without story photos) weighs in at 3.8MB, or 1.18x the entire text of War and Peace.CloudFlare can be a nice (free or cheap) service for automatic CDN, security, and optimization that’s easy to set up, and the linked Pingdom report has some performance tips. (I don’t work for either company, just offering annoying comments because that’s what I’m here for.)

    • Matt S. January 15, 2016 (7:49 pm)

      …and my comment paragraphs kind of got mashed together. The comment WYSIWYG may be a little cranky.

  • dsa January 15, 2016 (7:46 pm)

    I’m forced on my old xp firefox computer for the time being and you may know this already.  But I see no sponser “ads”.  I can see their place holders, but nothing else.

    • Kimmy January 15, 2016 (8:20 pm)

      Me to, on Firefox v 34.0.4 on Mac. I also use ad blocker, not sure if that would affect this, it didn’t on the previous WSB.

      • WSB January 15, 2016 (8:33 pm)

        Adblockers are certainly a matter of personal choice but eventually you will kill off everything you enjoy for free (like WSB) on the Internet if you choose to use them. For now our ads are served the way many other ads are – previously they were hard-coded images. We never have and never will use the features that have led some to use such things – no popups, no takeovers, no interstitials, no autoplays, etc. – and we charge really low prices (which we haven’t raised in our entire 8 years of doing this), only selling space to local businesses, no national ads (we’ve never even allowed Ad Words) – so pretty much our ads are Not Evil. But we might be able to find a way around this. Thanks for bringing it up.

        • Trickycoolj January 15, 2016 (8:40 pm)

          Always willing to whitelist the good guys! Especially the ones that understand the line between helpful ads and auto playing nightmares that eat up your monthly mobile data allotment. 

          • WSB January 15, 2016 (8:59 pm)

            I can’t believe people do autoplay ads. Horrifying. Anyway, I didn’t know sites COULD be whitelisted so dear people who use adblockers, please do it for us – and for your local businesses who don’t have many places to get in front of a lot of local eyeballs!

          • seattletimebandit January 16, 2016 (8:26 am)

            I, too, have whitelisted WSB.

        • Kimmy January 16, 2016 (10:56 am)

          Happy to mention it–Ad Blocker themselves are allegedly going the path adding their own “good guys” whitelist, could be good for some publishers and anger some consumers. Haven’t heard much else beyond that, but may be something to look into since you don’t run intrusive ads at all, and they weren’t blocked in your previous version. I currently run Ad Blocker with the option to “allow some non-intrusive ads” and your ads still did not appear on this new release, upon disabling “on this page only” only a outline appears for the ads, still not the ads themselves. Rich media ads prompted me to install Ad Blocker in the first place, not a site like WSB. For those using Firefox and not Ad Blocker that want to prevent videos from auto-playing, there is a setting for this (or a plug-in), I have completely forgotten the steps necessary to do it though.

  • Trickycoolj January 15, 2016 (7:51 pm)

    Hooray on the upgrade!! As a project manager  I’m sure there was lots of stress behind the scenes!I requested desktop mode on mobile safari (iOS 9.2 iPhone 6S plus) and noticed while reading comments the page shifts up and down a few lines, might be related to the ticker? I do prefer loading desktop sites on the larger Plus iPhone so a button to set that in a cookie would be fantastic, I didn’t immediately see one when in mobile mode.   

    • Sjross January 16, 2016 (7:07 am)

      Same problem here. I prefer reading the desktop version on my phone since the mobile is only story titles and no preview text. But the ticker at the top keeps changing size so it makes the text bump up and down which is really hard to read and annoying. I don’t mind the ticker – just hope you can make it consistent size so it doesn’t keep bumping the text each time it changes to a new topic. I tried to pause the ticker on the home page in hopes it would keep it paused whenever I clicked on a story but that doesn’t work. Seems like I’d need to pause it every time I clicked on a story to make it stop on each page. 

  • Westseattledood January 15, 2016 (7:52 pm)

    Android mobile browsers still with no time stamps on WSB story posts are current versions of Chrome, Firefox and Opera.  But duckduckgo has time stamps on everything and appears to be the best of the browsers in terms of design.  Really good, actually. My two cents.

    • WSB January 15, 2016 (8:06 pm)

      WSD, we’re sleuthing the timestamp thing, I’m hopeful to find it somewhere in wpTouch.

      Everyone’s patience is appreciated; it will take a while to get through fixes as we unfortunately don’t have a large bank of people at our disposal – the compact technical team has been working on the final push, including a whack-a-mole series of last-minute problems, ’round the clock for a week.

  • Nathan Davidson January 15, 2016 (7:55 pm)

    That sticky banner at the top doesn’t seem to like my super-wide monitor (2560×1600, standard 100% UI scaling in Win10). The rotating headlines are covering up the “home” icon. This happens in both Firefox and Edge, but I can at least work around it by temporarily making my browser window(s) narrower if needed.

  • Maggie January 15, 2016 (8:00 pm)

    So fancy! Congrats! Looks great on my iPhone using Safari. 

  • Jim Clark January 15, 2016 (8:06 pm)

    It looks great

  • Cami January 15, 2016 (8:13 pm)

    Webcami is all tucked in bed but planning a testing session in the morning. I just have to say I’m so very happy for you guys.

  • Marianne January 15, 2016 (8:52 pm)

    Agreed, it does look great!

  • Deb January 15, 2016 (9:15 pm)

    This was a LOT of work  – you guys. Congratulations! (We were all pulling for our WSB!)

  • Nadoka January 15, 2016 (9:35 pm)

    whoops – very buggy on my Android table. Good  on my Android Nexus 6 (ok in both landscape and portrait mode) . Probably ok on my Mac, but in bed and will check it out at breakfast.   Please ditch the thingy at the top that bounces around – really annoying and and doesn’t do anything when pressed except stop flashing… A nice pix or graphic would be pleasant visual use of the space.   😊

  • don January 15, 2016 (9:37 pm)

    very nice reboot.  slick and cool.  way to go WSB

  • miws January 15, 2016 (9:37 pm)

    WSB is, and likely will be, the only site I’ve ever whitelisted on AdBlock. :-).Mike

  • Cc January 15, 2016 (10:00 pm)

    can you add time stamps to the posts and comments for the mobile version? 

    • Maggie January 16, 2016 (4:40 am)

      Yes – time stamps on mobile version, please!

  • Brontosaurus January 15, 2016 (10:18 pm)

    Don’t forget to fix the “home” icon so it doesn’t link to that 2008 bowling party :) 

    • WSB January 15, 2016 (10:28 pm)

      Bronto, that’s top of the list, should be an easy fix but our tech team has to go rooting around to find the spot where that icon lives and is linked. Problem is that it links to what used to be our root address, westseattleblog.com/blog, and since we’ve long since dropped the extra “blog,” it’s re-directing to a story that has “blog” in the URL … same thing is happening with some forum features as the forum base address has changed. Thank you.

  • Mr E January 15, 2016 (10:19 pm)

    I’m on an older iPad, the fields for where I enter my name, email, and website are floating next to each other. Your dev should make sure the input fields are set to display:block in the CSS.Also, consider expanding the leading in your paragraphs. Currently the text is awfully tight, try setting the line-height to 1.43.Overall the site is looking really nice! A job well done!

  • sue January 15, 2016 (11:06 pm)

    thanks T & P – it’s awesome! and will be even better as you work the bugs out!

  • Elisabeth January 15, 2016 (11:51 pm)

    WSB, you have nothing to apologize for. You provide an invaluable service for all of us. I am in awe of your continued quest to improve and to provide an excellent user experience.

  • alki resident January 16, 2016 (12:21 am)

    The upgrade was worth the wait. Looks great on my PC.

  • Claire January 16, 2016 (1:06 am)

    Love the new site, congratulations. Have been following you for 10 years, since the storm of 2006 when you were the only source of local information. 

  • Maggie January 16, 2016 (4:41 am)

    Oh my! I use the mobile version on my iPhone about 90% of the time. Looking at the “new” WSB on the puter this morning. YIKES! Way too busy. Way too much going on. Yuck. :(

  • Cam January 16, 2016 (5:29 am)

    New site looks awesome, congrats!

  • Mouseman January 16, 2016 (7:29 am)

    Ok so I touched the pause button for the ticker at the top. Great. But whenever I come back it is on again. No way for it to remember to be paused. PLEASE TURN IT OFF! ! !  Very annoying, since it changes the screen position in the middle of reading all the way down the page. Also can’t find the desktop version, on mobile device. I don’t like the mobile layout, since it puts sponsors above everything else and have to scroll way down for useful info. I did try requesting desktop in phone menu but that didn’t work. 

    • WSB January 16, 2016 (7:36 am)

      Mouseman, what phone are you using (as specific as you can get on mobile and operating system)? Thank you.

      • seattletimebandit January 16, 2016 (8:24 am)

        @WSB,Here’s a couple beta “testing” comments(I have a Samsung Note 4):Page is sometimes blank unless I tap the Reading list icon in the search bar at the top. Then it will render, and sometimes renders white text/black background (it’s kind of sporadic, sometimes ok, sometimes not).Unable to return to previous page using phone back button once or sometimes even if I tap back twice. Most often it keeps reloading same page unless I hit the button at least three times.I’ll keep trying to “break” the site and let you know what I find.  

    • Mouseman January 17, 2016 (7:43 am)

      Samsung note 3, lollipop. Chrome internet. There is a “request desktop” in chrome menu. But it doesn’t do anything. Just reloads page as mobile. Is there a desktop button in your page. Btw. I do love what you guys do and rely on it most every day. And do think the new layout us great. Just buggy. And I understand that happens. I should have said that in original comments. Thanks for all you do

  • WSB Cheerleader January 16, 2016 (7:35 am)

    Congratulations!  Awesome job!  Best wishes to you and keep up the great job you do of keeping our community informed.

  • Joe Szilagyi January 16, 2016 (7:43 am)

    Found another — the WSIWYG editor seems wonky. I was able to do line breaks fine last night but my longer post just now on the WSTC article turned into a wall of solid text.

    • Joe Szilagyi January 16, 2016 (7:44 am)

      Interesting, it seems if you only hit enter ONCE for a line break it formats it into one block of text.Let me test a double line break on this reply.

      • Joe Szilagyi January 16, 2016 (7:44 am)

        Nope, doesn’t seem to matter. This was working OK last night. 

  • Leslie January 16, 2016 (7:44 am)

    Super to have the full blog back and great job. Must have been a hard week of work for all involved.Awesome to have forum specific search now! That is what I have been waiting for!Little bug: The restaurants search section  for hours open is called  “daypart(s)” 

  • Leslie January 16, 2016 (7:59 am)

    after I log in (yea! that works again), and click on “profile” I land on a 404 not found page.

  • Rachel January 16, 2016 (8:00 am)

    Looks great!

  • JunctionCommenter January 16, 2016 (8:21 am)

    Please remove the ticker, it’s so annoying, worse than a takeover banner because it never leaves! It restarts on each page load and as others have said, causes the page to jump up and down making reading the blog unsettling. 

  • Karenr January 16, 2016 (8:53 am)

    Any chance the font size can be enlarged?

  • Dawn January 16, 2016 (9:04 am)

    Digging the new look on my iPhone! Home button functions correctly here. Major overhauls like this are a ton of work, and never launch smoothly. There’s always bugs to work out; you just don’t know what’s broken until you have enough people using it to find the bugs. Have patience, folks! 

  • themightyrabbit January 16, 2016 (9:17 am)

    Here’s an issue- because your web developer links to the sponsor images via doubleclick, any of us won’t ever see those images for the sponsors that blacklist ad driven website urls such as doubleclick.   All of those images fail to load as a consequence so it’s down to whether you want that behavior.GET http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ad?iu=/4809146/genstore150817gs_ad_unit&sz=160×160&c=12345 net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED(index):1465 GET http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ad?iu=/4809146/willow180817bw_ad_unit&sz=160×160&c=12345 net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED(index):1470 GET http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ad?iu=/4809146/red27150817_ad_unit&sz=160×160&c=12345 net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED(index):1474 GET http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ad?iu=/4809146/2ndgear_ad_unit&sz=160×160&c=12345 net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED(index):1478 GET http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ad?iu=/4809146/dance_ad_unit&sz=160×160&c=12345 net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED(index):1483 GET http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/ad?iu=/4809146/west_seattle_be_prepared&sz=160×160&c=12345&nbsp;

  • JayDee January 16, 2016 (9:20 am)

    The irritating banner would not stop when I clicked the house; but I was able to install “No Script Suite Light” on Firefox, then blacklist


    and hitting the house caused the dang thing to stop. Otherwise I like the newer design and perhaps it will work better with the spam, etc.

  • Dawn January 16, 2016 (9:36 am)

    Maybe consider a temporary “bug” icon/button where people can post technical issues? It will make it easier for you guys to find and prioritize, rather than weeding through the comments section for every post. : )

  • Jordan January 16, 2016 (9:44 am)

    Why do sites use style sheets that don’t allow pinch zooming? Very annoying on the iPad when I want to make the text large enough to read. The increase text size button isn’t a good replacement as it makes the text blocky and all run together making it big but even harder to read. Apple made something amazingly useful and web designers do their darnedest to make their sites unusuable. May be the end of the WSB for me. 

  • Terri January 16, 2016 (10:01 am)

    Nice job. We’ll all get used to the format changes, as long as the great reporting continues, which I know it will.  Not a fan of the ticker — gimmicky more than useful — but mostly because the pause button jumps side to side. It wouldn’t be so distracting if it were a consistent width. Ads on the left side of page are much more predominant, which is understandable, but would appreciate a little more space between them and the content column. The page feels heavily over-loaded on that side (I know we all tend to lean left in West Seattle, but still …). Agree with others that the lines seem too compressed (don’t know the technical term), and it’s not as easy to read as the old version.

    • chemist January 16, 2016 (1:53 pm)

      Yeah, that ticker and the orange buttons jumping certainly grabs the eye.  I think doubling or tripling the amount of time between changes might be a worthy experiment as to calming that phenomenon.

  • Cherable January 16, 2016 (10:02 am)

     Nice update!  One problem though: restaurant listing by cuisine is difficult to search.  Example: I wanted to look up hours for Youngs Restaurant but could not find it.  The Alpha directory was better for this search.  Can you add it back? 

  • WSB January 16, 2016 (11:25 am)

    Thanks again to everyone for reporting what you’re seeing. If a bug or feature is making this a worse experience for you, we apologize mightily …. but not overhauling just was not an option … so much was no longer fixable or maintainable. One request: Information on what device/browser you are using is extremely helpful to help our tech team solve problems. And again, you are welcome to e-mail us instead of posting a comment – editor@westseattleblog.com – thank you – Tracy

    • themightyrabbit January 17, 2016 (12:41 pm)

      THEMIGHTYRABBIT JANUARY 16, 2016 (9:17 AM)   This was Windows 10, Chrome Browser.Also, another bug, when replying in this comment, It’s forcing all CAPS while I type.

      • WSB January 17, 2016 (3:09 pm)

        The caps is a new one. Also everyone please be aware that fixing one thing can inadvertently break another … and that might happen along the way too. Thanks again for your patience; we’re not even 48 hours into this yet and the tech team is continuing to work to investigate the anomalies. One thing just came up in an e-mail discussion – if you’re using a tablet, please try it landscape as well as portrait – while the old site (which again we could not continue operating, given how much was broken and no longer fixable, as well as being incapable of upgrades/feature additions) was narrow and worked OK with landscape, this is three columns and made to use more of the screen. Thank you yet again – Tracy

        • Jack January 17, 2016 (6:48 pm)

          Browsing on Nexus 5. Android 4.4.4 chrome 49I completely get that the old setup (under the hood at least) was antiquated but this new  look really feels like mobile was given little to no consideration at all. Just to reply I had to scroll to find where the text boxes were after I hit reply. Now you have to scroll two pages down just to see the first new article. The banner constantly adjusting the page height really needs attentionThis mentioned of 3 columns really doesn’t work on mobile. It’s better now as the adverts come after the stories except now that means one had to scroll like roadrunner to get to the bottom of the page. I’d be interested to hear others honest view on the mobile experience now vs before.Certainly for me it is a nite and day change for the worse. 

          • WSB January 17, 2016 (7:20 pm)

            Jack – it sounds as if your device is picking up the desktop version, not the mobile version. We are using an updated version of the same mobile design we always used – which is considered state of the art. Definitely what you’re seeing is not what you’re supposed to be seeing, and I apologize – we have some reports of tablet behavior like that but generally not phone. Is a mobile-vs.-desktop button showing at the bottom of your screen? – thanks – Tracy

  • kate January 16, 2016 (12:08 pm)

    I miss the big banner at the top of the old site (the photo of everybody looking at the sunset). Right now, the site could use something a bit warmer, more character, something to make it look like it’s a blog about West Seattle. At first glance, it doesn’t have a lot of character; it could be a blog about medicare or insurance. I certainly don’t question the quality of the content, though!

  • Homedk January 16, 2016 (12:22 pm)

    Looks great on my laptop! I especially love the larger photos and the Lightbox view! 

  • wsguy January 16, 2016 (2:10 pm)

    I am on an iPad mini current iOS. The pause for the ticker on the banner jumps around the screen when I scroll. I woiled really prefer the banner to go away takes up valuable real estate  not worth it after 30 seconds or so an is very annoying.Good job but the banner and ticker drive me nuts.

  • wsguy January 16, 2016 (2:20 pm)

    iPad Pro current iOS.  I can no longer pinch and zoom to make the text a readable size. Is this a design feature or an unintended consequence? Increasing the font size makes the text run together and crowd  the available space. Please return this very useful iOS feature.

    • WSB January 16, 2016 (2:36 pm)

      The text-size increaser was something we specifically requested – our site continues to have a higher percentage of desktop/laptop visitors than mobile, and it had been requested. Whether the “pinch and zoom” was a casualty of that or built into the design for some other reason, I don’t know, but it’ll be on our list. I use a MacBook and that feature works fine via the touchpad, so I don’t know why it would not work on a tablet … thanks again for the ongoing notes! – TR

      P.S. That’s not a statement of doubt – we have confirmed via our iPad that it’s not working, too, and I know someone else brought it up upthread.

  • Krystal Knapp January 16, 2016 (4:03 pm)

    Congrats guys – looks great! 

  • KISS January 16, 2016 (4:52 pm)

    The new site is practically unusable on an android tablet, even if I request desktop mode.  I have to wait for every sponsor logo to load before I then must scroll through all of them to go all of the way to the bottom of the page to find the article.  Then the page keeps updating and re-rendering which shifts everything on the page.  It was frustrating just to write this comment as the page kept jumping.

    • WSB January 16, 2016 (4:54 pm)

      KISS – thanks for the report and for taking the time and trouble to make it. Any particular model of your tablet/OS?

      • Chemist January 16, 2016 (8:36 pm)

        Yeah observed the same on chrome on shield tablet in portrait mode and went away when rotated to landscape mode.   The ad  square logo column stacked on top so it was a long scroll to content column and the ticker would rotate through longer headings which causes the one line jumps kiss mentioned as refreshes. 

      • KISS January 17, 2016 (8:07 am)

        Samsung Tab 3.  Android v 4.4.2.

  • miws January 16, 2016 (5:05 pm)

    I have to say, that although some of the stuff; top bar with the ticker, etc, and the ads were a bit distracting for me at first, they have already become much less of a distraction. I think it was mostly related to the old site having nothing on the left, so here on the new site, my brain is saying “WTH is that?” as I’m reading articles/comments. Also, I found the movement of the ticker bothersome at very first, like a couple or so other folks did, but apparently not to the same degree. .As far as the top bar itself, it felt intrusive, giving me the feeling that it was taking away reading space at the top of the page..So far, haven’t noticed anything buggy. Mid-late aughts Sony Vaio laptop, W7, Chrome..Mike

    • WSB January 16, 2016 (7:41 pm)

      I did slow down the ticker change. Experimenting with how its time setting works … since it’s not in natural language like “two seconds,” “three seconds.”

  • miws January 16, 2016 (5:08 pm)

    Just need to figure out how to do paragraph breaks. the old trick of Return x 1 or 2, dot/hyphen,  Return again apparently doesn’t work here. 

  • Roxy January 16, 2016 (5:11 pm)

    Text sizing – on Samsung Note 3, I am able to enlarge the text to 150% which is more legible for me in the mobile view. Access using settings, advanced, then legibility. Desktop view has the issues noted above with text jumping. Glad I figured out the text size issues. Was way too small for bouncy bus rides. Also, I used to be able to use the volume key to enlarge text and that function is defunct now.  What a huge chunk of work y’all pulled off! Amazing. You ROCK. FYI- my data usage is set really low – no  photos or video on my mobile.

  • Ivan January 16, 2016 (5:29 pm)

    Thanks Tracy and Patrick. The site looks great on both  my Windows 7 laptop and my Android phone, both using Chrome. Add me, though, to those who would prefer the sticky bar at the top, with the ticker, to go away. I really would prefer not to have to stop it from blinking every time I go to a different page. That appears to be the only glitch.

  • R. January 16, 2016 (8:38 pm)

    Love you, WSB.  Thank you for all that you do.  Period!

  • Corny January 16, 2016 (10:04 pm)

    Having same problem on Samsung Galaxy 4

  • Pibal January 17, 2016 (7:56 am)

    Wow! Congrats Tracy on a great new look.While I’m sure there will be some bugs to address, I agree with Kate. I miss the masthead sunset photo. It always seemed to brighten my day!

  • junctioneer January 17, 2016 (8:58 am)

    That banner is terrible! It skips around, it’s like a flashing advertisement. Please remove??Also, the spacing for the name, email, and website is off because the “Your email address will not be published.” help text.

    • WSB January 17, 2016 (9:01 am)

      Hi, Junctioneer, thanks – what device/operating system are you on? I don’t think we’ve had a report of the “… will not be published” text causing a problem previously, so that info will help. – TR

      • junctioneer January 18, 2016 (6:12 am)

        OSX/chrome. Looks like your div.clearfix isn’t really a clearfix. You need to add “clear:both” to “.clearfix:before, .clearfix:after”

  • Kipseawa January 17, 2016 (10:11 am)

    Hi,  wondering if you could help me out? I use an android galaxy and you new mobile sight does not seem to have any pictures to it. The top banner is gone with the WS picture.(sad, you may have gotten rid of this)But not only that when I go to the home page link to view the articles there are boxes that indicate pictures being there but they are all just filled with the same generic graphic. And very few pics when I open up the actual article. Sometimes none at all. Which I find strange when you are talking about a king tide. Pictures would be an asset to the story.I like that you have chosen to do your upgrade. But is it me or have you lost the warmth of the original site? Love to see some changes in that as time goes on. I know your plenty busy. For now any ideas on how I can get those images to work in the home page?Thanks!

  • Kipseawa January 17, 2016 (10:25 am)

    Ok, so I switched to the desktop version and that seemed to help… but now every 5 seconds as I’m reading the feed it the text box moves on me. (Even as I type this) makes it very d ifficult to read and honestly annoying. Like somethung is updating evert five seconds. Any ideas on how to stop this???

    • WSB January 17, 2016 (10:34 am)

      Hi, Kip. The default thumbnails on the mobile index are a reported bug – I don’t know why the photos wouldn’t show in the stories, though, but we’ll add it to the list. Regarding the jumping around, that’s the ticker, and that’s also on the list. Sorry and thank you for letting us know. – Tracy

  • Feed January 17, 2016 (11:22 am)

    Lots and lots of text and content of the page!  Maybe too much.  Hopefully you can nest some contents and maybe add a bit of original art -like the house icon? Just seems very cookie cutter out of the box feel.  Also Safari on iPhone 6s Plus iOS 9.2 wan’t rendering your site this am. Editing content back is hard but will improve your site.

  • PangolinPie January 17, 2016 (12:26 pm)

    Looks  ok overall – but as I type this, the top banner is in the middle of the screen, .I’ll try to attach a photo. iPad retina mini. I honestly think that banner is unneeded – even if it worked correctly I wouldn’t really use or look at it. Also, it would be great to get emails about replies to comments on posts, like the forum comments. And I’d like to echo the hope that it would be possible to pinch to zoom on the iPad. For us older folks with not-great eyesight, it s really an important feature. 

  • Iggy January 17, 2016 (12:35 pm)

    It would be nice if after we click on the Stop button to stop the banner flashing, that the banner would not start flashing again whenever we go to a new story.  Is there some way to have a default permanent turnoff.     On my Windows Explorer 11, the banner is not very wide, which is good.  On my Chrome, though, the banner is very wide and takes up too much real estate.     I’m also in the group that would like to see the sponsor ads back on the right, rather than the left.   These are nits, I know.  I am such a big fan of WSB.  You are awesome. 

  • JB January 17, 2016 (6:52 pm)

    Haven’t checked the look on my PC yet, but not looking very user friendly on my android LGG4. Takes over the browser in the sense that this site eliminates the url bar on top. Scrolling through block upon block of local ads on some pages. Not sure this is a friendly design for advertisers. Anytime a site changes designs it can take time to get used to, I know, I’ve designed some sites. So, I appreciate three need for change you needed to do for upgrades…just don’t think this is a very friendly design. Thank you for your news reporting however.

    • WSB January 17, 2016 (7:21 pm)

      JB, thanks, that’s definitely not what you *should* be seeing (see my reply to the previous commenter) – do you see a “choose mobile version” button at the bottom of the screen, by any chance? – TR

  • dsa January 17, 2016 (8:35 pm)

    I should Whitelist ads?  with all due respect to you and your award winning work, I’m sorry this is a fatal flaw.

    • KM January 18, 2016 (10:27 am)

      Whitelisting didn’t work for me on the current redesign, but did on the old site. Haven’t been able to see an ad across any device or browser since the redesign, AdBlock or not.

      • WSB January 18, 2016 (11:19 am)

        KM – On the old site we didn’t have anything that would have triggered a blocker, as our ads were hard-coded images just like photos shown in stories … we weren’t able to use the same ad-serving software pretty much every site on the planet uses. Anyway, thanks again for the reports, work continues, and please accept our apologies for the bumpy ride to modernization … TR

  • Steven January 17, 2016 (8:55 pm)

    95 percent of mobile traffic is Apple IOS Safari.  None can display your site may want to look into that lol! 

    • WSB January 17, 2016 (9:07 pm)

      Hi, Steven, we and others we’ve heard from are viewing the site in Safari just fine – on an iPhone, please be sure you have chosen the mobile theme (should default, but there’s a button at the bottom of the screen, and it’s the same kind of simple, clean mobile design delivered with our old site thanks to a WordPress plugin called WPTouch). On an iPad, please try landscape mode. If you are unable to do either of those, please let us know which specific Apple device you are trying on – that’s the information we need to troubleshoot. Thanks! – Tracy

  • Steven January 18, 2016 (6:12 am)

    With cache clear on an iPhone 6s Plus running iOS 9.2 Safari (no content blockers apps) no content is displayed.  Refreshed several times.  Second identical phone in the house same result.  Chrome (latest version) works fine.  Hope this helps

  • Steven January 18, 2016 (6:24 am)

    Popular iOS ad/content blocker Crystal was still active until I quit Safari which was stopping your site from rendering on both phones.

  • PangolinPie January 18, 2016 (9:52 am)

    Here’s what happened yesterday when I commented, on an iPad (retina mini), in landscape mode. (Cannot upload images, and the carriage returns don’t create line breaks, as others have noted).

  • PangolinPie January 18, 2016 (9:54 am)

    Oh good grief – the URL from my previous post is broken now because it attached to the next line, because of the inability to do line breaks. Sigh. I’m currently on Chrome on the desktop. 

    • WSB January 18, 2016 (9:56 am)

      Sorry, PP, happened to me this morning too. I’ll fix it. The comment features are high on the fix list, as discussion is a vital part of the site… TR

      P.S. Screengrabs are very helpful too and thanks for yours.

  • Cami January 18, 2016 (10:45 am)

    Patrick and Tracy,How I love the new photos sizes!  My one and only bug is that on my phone, the WPTouch Mobile Suite plug in is still active and showing the MOBILE vs DESKTOP option settings – it defaults to MOBILE for me since that’s what I had it on before- I would remove this plug in entirely since your DESKTOP version is MOBILE – and much more attractive than what this plugin renders.  That’s it.    Love the logo Lindsay came up with.  Simple yet elegant – super cool colors.  LOVE THE WHOLE THING.

  • Tina January 18, 2016 (12:05 pm)

    Love the restaurant search!  A thought: add Happy Hour to the search?  

    • WSB January 18, 2016 (12:07 pm)

      Thank you, Tina. We’ll add that to the feature-request list… we have to make sure everything works for as many people, devices, etc. as possible and then we’ll be able to move on to adding and expanding, but I’m making a wish list too! – TR

  • clark5080 January 18, 2016 (5:31 pm)

    On Android I switched from mobile to desktop and now I can’t get the window to go far enough down to switch it back

  • KB January 18, 2016 (11:42 pm)

    The ribbon in the top-left of the screen (next to the home symbol) either got faster or is just too fast for me (I’m viewing on a PC). I’d like it better a little bit slower, and if it were possible for it to be longer when the screen is bigger, that would be cool (so it’s not cut off after 5 words).  Thanks for all your hard work!

  • Judy Oehling January 19, 2016 (7:22 am)

    Your new site looks awesome! Congrats on all your success. I love to keep tans on our old hood from down south! 

  • Dale January 19, 2016 (7:33 am)

    How about South Park news, similar to White Center?  

  • PP January 19, 2016 (1:29 pm)

    The site looks great. Loads a little slower on  iPad 3. Not sure what percentage of viewers are using a mobile device. Possibly more than half.? Anyway, the banner on top takes up a lot of real estate on my mobile devices that I haven’t found useful for info. I do use the ‘pause’ to stop the animation but have to do it every time.I can tell a lot of work went into the overhaul. Thank you.

    • WSB January 19, 2016 (1:50 pm)

      Thanks, PP, and everyone who continues to share feedback. WSB has a high percentage of desktop/laptop users, but our intent is by no means to slight the phone/tablet experience – and the ticker shouldn’t take up a lot of real estate; it’s definitely a work in progress.

  • dsa January 19, 2016 (10:03 pm)

    Update, using newer computer with Win7.  Firefox still has no ads showing, everything else is great.  So I switched over to IE, (both current eds.) got ads.  However there was an initial warning about a script running that I should stop.  So I agreed.  This was the first time I had seen that.  I assume it was the irritating banner headline, but it did not stop.  It did not take long and IE froze up.  Just a FYI.  Oh weather underground has gotten sticky, but if necessary I can just access it without WSB.

    • WSB January 19, 2016 (10:17 pm)

      Hi, DSA, thanks. What do you mean by “gotten sticky”? In our lexicon as website owners “sticky” has a positive connotation but I don’t think that’s the meaning you’re intending – thanks! – TR

  • dsa January 19, 2016 (10:58 pm)

    I withdraw the weather underground comment.  I think the sluggishness must have been them. 

  • Ted January 20, 2016 (6:57 am)

    Hi Tracy and WSB teamI’ve been a loyal reader since waaay back and unfortunately it is time I move on from your site. Maybe I am too nostalgic but I am a tech leader who loved your old site due to its simplicity and speed. That down home , reporter in the basement feel made me feel comfortable. What is causing me to move on?1) the site is bloated. Too much going on. You are not CNN – you are a local news site. Trying to pack too much on home page is distracting.2) I don’t care what people are posting on social media – but if I did I know where to find it- why post on home page?3) the site loads slow as crap on mobile and desktop. I’ve tried to let it load but your old site was laser fast.4) there are a lot of broken links and graphics that never load. Something is up with your release / quality checks.i did not type this up for a debate. I’m not expecting nor want a response – just wanted to let You know that change is sometimes bad.good luck

    • WSB January 20, 2016 (8:10 am)

      Thank you, Ted. We haven’t been debating anybody who has been kind enough to offer feedback, positive, negative, or inbetween. We’re just dealing with it all as best we can. Not changing truly was not an option; that said, this is just a starting place for the future. I hope you’ll consider checking in again somewhere down the line. – TR

  • norskgirl January 20, 2016 (8:38 am)

    Hi WSB.  Thank you for accepting my feedback:1) IMHO it is way too busy visually.   It takes undivided and deliberate attention to find and remain reading the blog content.  3 columns, many boxes, banners, fonts of different sizes and colors.  It does appear to have planning and themes to the placement, size, color, etc….not random.  But simply too much.  Especially the Sponsor column.  It is very attractive in color, size but inasmuch very distracting from the actual blog content middle column.  Not enough blank space between content for my eye/attention to easily/quickly move around.  

  • Trickycoolj January 20, 2016 (11:17 am)

    Bug report: when on the mobile site in iOS 9.2 Safari iPhone 6S Plus and clicking and holding the refresh button to “request desktop site” it loads the desktop site but once again redirects to the 2008 Blog Bowling post.

    • WSB January 20, 2016 (11:20 am)

      Thanks, Tricky. I hope that’s a quick fix. Any place that goes to that post is a link to our old (years ago!) home directory westseattleblog.com/blog … we’ve talked to a few people who had bookmarks but that shouldn’t be the case with what you’re saying. – TR

      • Trickycoolj January 20, 2016 (11:28 am)

        All the references to bowling are making me want to go bowling.  Wonder if West Seattle Bowl will see an uptick in breakfast/bowling the next few weekends? :)

  • Pat January 20, 2016 (1:35 pm)

    Hi:I’ve been waiting to see what develops, but just FYI –  still have not seen any ads in the sponsor column since you went up on the 15th.  (And like some others, I wish that sponsor column were back on the right-hand side.)  I’m on a laptop running W7 and using Chrome.  Just see icons where ads should be.  Also,  is the ticker to replace the former static  “top recent stories” (?) area that was at upper right area of former homepage?  (I must admit, I preferred it to the ticker.)  But thanks for all the effort you put into providing our community with this great service!

  • Pat January 20, 2016 (1:38 pm)

    P.S.  I also miss the Alki photo on your masthead!  

  • DC January 20, 2016 (3:10 pm)

    You can add my vote to the No Ticker Camp. Visually, a lot has been added to the website on the right and now the left side of the posts. Removing this one item would help reduce the clutter. Thanks. 

  • Danny January 22, 2016 (2:34 am)

    There seems to be a *serious* issue with page weight on the new design, which is what people are complaining about in regards to lag and slowness.Using chrome’s dev toolkit, you can see the site makes over 1000 unique requests on a single page view (!), weighs in at ~10.5mb, and takes a whole minute to finish rendering.

    Compare that to a few other blogs, like The Stranger, which makes only 94 unique requests, weighs ~.5mb and takes less than ten seconds to render.

    Admittedly their site is pretty spartan, so let’s look at the Capitol Hill Seattle Blog, which is a little closer to your site in terms of density.  It also makes a somewhat hefty ~500 unique requests per page view, and weighs ~3.5mb.  

    But notice that it only takes 16 seconds to fully render.

    This is something you should probably take up with the person who set up your wordpress instance and/or designed your new template.

    • WSB January 22, 2016 (6:49 am)

      Thank you for the feedback! – TR

      • Danny January 22, 2016 (11:11 am)

        Thanks for fixing the spacing, appreciate it! :)

    • sam-c January 22, 2016 (11:19 am)

      Thanks for posting/ sharing that. Not being a computer person (as I would not be able to quantify my opinion on the business of the site), I really appreciate those images you posted; very interesting.  I too, am one who finds the site to be a little too busy for my taste with the re-design.  I do read most of it (stories and comments) through my reader, so only come here too look once in a while.   I do like the revision that you can ‘reply’ directly to specific comments now.the font drives me crazy- when viewing on a PC- it’s hard to read.  For some reason, it looks a lot better on the Ipad. Those are my only comments.Oh, and I miss the ability to see what the most recently updated forum threads are, on the main forum page. 

  • nite_i January 22, 2016 (7:48 am)

    Re the previous post, I clicked on the Capitol Hill Blog link.  What a relief to read where the advertising is on the right of the stories and not the left.     The right is the “traditional” place for a reason:  we read from left to right.  The sponsors should not have precedence over the news, which they do with them on the left.     I’m also thinking the site is way, way too busy.  We’ve already discussed having an option to have a default turnoff for the top blue banner.       I’m an old-fashioned girl and use a laptop, so my screen is a decent size, but it is just so busy and many times things on your site are now truncated or not aligned.  I would think you might ask your developer to go back a few steps in simplicity and then do another beta.  You can add more bells and whistles later.The color scheme is also very distracting.  Too many shades of blue and grey, many of which are hard to see.  Even figuring out how to add my name and email to send this message is too distracting.  The name, email boxes are not aligned properly, even on my 15″ monitor.     Hope this feedback helps.  You’ve done an awesome job.  And there is no disgrace if you go back and strip out some things in order to simplify the graphics and content.  Best regards, a dedicated reader.

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