VIDEO + AS-IT-HAPPENED COVERAGE: City Council candidates’ forum presented by VIEWS at West Seattle Senior Center

(UPDATE: All video now added – at-large candidates’ pitches plus full District 1 candidates’ forum)

(District 1 participants, post-forum. From left: Helmick, Thomas, Redmond, Tavel, Capestany, Koch, Herbold, Braddock, Goberman)
10:04 AM: We’re at the morning’s second big West Seattle event (first one here) – the VIEWS-presented City Council candidates’ forum at the Senior Center of West Seattle. First, a short segment with at-large candidates before 10 of the 11 District 1 hopefuls are grilled.

(VIDEO CLIP ABOVE: Alex Tsimerman, followed by David Trotter)
At the microphone first, Alex Tsimerman, well-known for his appearances during public-comment periods at City Council meetings. He contends a “mafia” controls government and should be overthrown.

Second, David Trotter (above), who begins by saying the minimum-wage law “codifies poverty … by exempting most of the businesses in the city.” He, like Tsimerman, has filed for at-large Position 8. (Note: Trotter is a West Seattle resident.)

(VIDEO CLIP ABOVE: Jon Grant, followed by John Persak and Tim Burgess)
Up third, Jon Grant (above), who also is running in Position 8. He is a tenants-rights activist who accuses city leadership of giving “utmost deference to developers.” He says candidates need a “level playing field” if democracy is to be preserved.

4th Position 8 candidate, John Persak (above), who also speaks of development concerns, and then goes on to transportation, “a huge issue for West Seattle … we have to figure out ways to give incentives for people to take other means of transportation, not to force them out of their cars, but to give incentives.”

And the 5th candidate for Position 8, current City Council president Tim Burgess (above), says he wants to “keep doing this work” because he wants to “keep getting good things done.” First thing he touts is the transit-funding measure.

(VIDEO CLIP ABOVE: Bill Bradburd, followed by Lorena González)
10:20 AM: On to at-large Position 9. Bill Bradburd, who says he got involved when a “big box shopping mall (was planned) for Little Saigon,” is speaking, and development is his big issue – “I want to bring back a community voice to the neighborhood-planning process.” He draws the first audience applause of the morning by saying that the city should be charging impact fees.

Second and final Position 9 candidate here, also the first woman to speak, Lorena González. She talks about her advocacy background and “progressive values” and commitment to fighting for gender/racial/economic equity. (Note: González is a West Seattle resident.)

10:29 AM: Emcee Michael Taylor-Judd from VIEWS says 10 of the 11 District 1 candidates RSVP’d, though one is not here (David Ishii) so far. Pete Spalding from VIEWS reads a brief statement from Dave Montoure, the one candidate who said he couldn’t be here, because of a “long-planned family vacation,” per VIEWS. Taylor-Judd then explains the organization, which has been around to some degree for six years, but is now trying to ramp up into a peninsula-wide community-building group.

Each candidate will be asked for a quick one-minute introduction involving their community work (present/past). First, Amanda Kay Helmick, a Westwood resident, co-chair of WW-Roxhill-Arbor Heights Community Council, co-founder of West Seattle Transportation Coalition. Second, Brianna Thomas, a Junction resident, who lists her boards as Working Washington, Washington Bus, 34th District Democrats, Church Council. Third, Chas Redmond, a Gatewood resident, whose volunteer work includes the Junction Association’s upcoming historical survey, plus producing Alki, Delridge, Morgan festivals. Fourth, George Capestany, who lists his fabled goat feeder on Jacobsen Road as his most-recent community work, as well as work he’s done with children with autism (including one of his own). Fifth, Lisa Herbold, a Highland Park resident, who notes she has worked as assistant to Councilmember Nick Licata for 17+ years and also was on the Neighborhood House board. Sixth, Pavel Goberman, who says he immigrated from the USSR, and is in the health/fitness business. Seventh, Phillip Tavel, a Morgan Junction resident, who says he’s working on the Morgan Junction Community Festival and has long done Wednesday night trivia at Talarico’s, where a fundraiser for the Y is coming up next week. Eighth, Shannon Braddock, an Admiral resident, who is and has been on the WestSide Baby, West Seattle Food Bank, and Lafayette Elementary PTSA boards, and is chief of staff for County Councilmember Joe McDermott. Ninth, Tom Koch, who mentions that he helped with the Admiral District Adopt-A-Street cleanup last weekend.

10:43 AM: Question for each: What form of transportation do you primarily use, and what WS transportation issue would you work on first? The answers:

Thomas – Bus/walk. Increasing access to some of the WS bus routes – like the hourly 22, and Alki, with no service in the evening.

Redmond – Bus/walk. Would work with SDOT to add lane to the offramp to 99 from the West Seattle Bridge.

Tavel – Car. Increasing access to bus routes – mentions the 37 and “other underutilized areas of WS.”

Herbold – Bus (Route 131). Making sure Bridging the Gap renewal has more money for sidewalks, pedestrian improvements, Fauntleroy Boulevard project.

Goberman – Transit because, he says, he can’t get a driver license due to problems in Oregon that affect him here. That seems also to be the problem he’d work on.

Tavel – Car. Increasing bus access to West Seattle so it’s “not 90 minutes to Fremont” – “for our bus system to work, you have to be able to get anywhere.”

Braddock – Car/bus. Renewal and expansion of Bridging the Gap levy and would continue to fight to make sure state is providing viaduct-mitigation money for extra bus service; also mentions expanding Route 120 service.

Koch – Walk/drive. Get development projects to “pay their fair share” so there would be more money for expanding transit. (He says $200 million “left on table” without development fees. Draws applause.)

Helmick – Walk/bus/drive. West Seattle Corridor Project; would like to see a busway to get buses moving from WS to downtown, plus rapid transit for WS.

10:52 AM: First lightning-round question: Are patrol boundaries for SW Precinct too large?

No – Helmick, Redmond, Tavel,
Waffle – Koch, Braddock
Yes – Others (except Goberman, who doesn’t raise his)

Second lightning-round question: Do you support the new homeless encampment ordinance?
Waffle – Helmick
No – Capestany, Tavel
Yes – Everyone else

Ever testified at a City Council meeting?
Thomas Capestany Herbold Goberman Tavel – no
Others – yes

Support city advocating for legislation enabling rent control?
Helmick Capestany Tavel – no
Braddock – waffle
Others – Yes

Do you support renewal of Bridging the Gap levy?
All – Yes

Should Seattle develop its own broadband utility?
Herbold – Waffle
Capestany – No
Other seven – Yes

Non-lightning round, with Dorsol Plants of VIEWS taking the podium: What’s the most common crime in D-1 and what would your priority crime problem to work on be?

Redmond – Property crime; would work with police on Block Watch programs
Capestany – Breaking and entering; agrees with Redmond, and work on community spirit, mentions “diligent” older neighbors
Herbold – Home and car break-ins; restore community-service officer program that SPD had before the recession
Goberman – Break-ins; need more punishment to reduce crime
Tavel – Property crimes but most disturbing thing is rise in robberies; get more police out there, walking, bicycling beats, patroling
Braddock – Property crimes; need more police officers and need officers to be out of their cars, on the streets; also educating neighbors and getting them more involved with each other
Koch – Agrees with Tavel, property crimes BUT robberies most disturbance; applauds increases in police budget but not breakdown in trust between police and community, so will hold SPD accountable
Helmick – Property theft; police-hiring system needs work to screen for people who don’t just look at community as enemy/suspicious/doing something wrong
Thomas – Property crimes; better use of technology to look at what’s happening and who are we stopping/where/why, also wants to look at the concerns about the depolicing of South Park

Next question: How do we protect the history and character of West Seattle while still protecting business and enabling affordable housing for future generations?

Capestany – Fan of development to some degree but keep in mind that what works in other neighborhoods doesn’t necessarily work here.
Herbold – Growth goals have come with an unfulfilled promise; supports impact fees and linkage fees so development pays its fair share; opposes Director’s Rule on redefining parking requirements.
Goberman – Worried about money taken by politicians, has a plan to create jobs but doesn’t want to see environment destroyed.
Tavel – Growth is going to happen, but has to be responsible, intelligent, sensitive to community, whose interests should get more weight in this. Developers can get a weekend retreat with politicians but citizens get 2 minutes’ access only.
Braddock – Supports impact/linkage fees, thinks developers need to be brought to table in community talking about what we want to see, be “cooperative.”
Koch – Wouldn’t be running if city had done decent job on development issue. Has built affordable housing without public subsidy, has built public schools. “We’re doing everything the wrong way here … community is not listened to … the process is broken.” Says city has had right to impose impact fees for 25 years but “hasn’t gotten around to doing it.”
Helmick – Interested in preservation districts like Pike-Pine. Need to build more buildings because if we don’t, prices will keep going up. But doesn’t have to be “canyons,” can be townhomes like in Westwood.
Thomas – Agrees with most of what’s been said. Diversity of housing stock important – needs to be ‘accessible and affordable,’ and while Amazon’s economic engine is important, some cultural challenges are “leaking into our neighborhoods .. that we need to address.” Families need “someplace to grow into.”
Redmond – Transit-Oriented Development doesn’t work, need the transportation to go along with the development. Working directly with developers can make a difference, as has been done in Morgan Junction (where he’s been on the neighborhood council).

11:12 AM: More lightning round. First question – Do you support the current body-cam pilot project with SPD?
Helmick is lone “no”

Would you support allowing police to not carry firearms while patrolling in West Seattle?
Helmick and Thomas are the only “yes”

Do you support construction of third stadium in SODO?
Only yes answers are Capestany and Herbold

Are you capable of communicating with voters in a language other than English?
Goberman, Redmond, Capestany, Koch say yes

Do you support SPD using Guardian One helicopter in WS?
All yes except Thomas says no

Would you work to help make sure dogs could use pools before public pools are closed for cleaning (which has been tried at some)?
All answer yes or waffle, with some quizzicality about the question itself (submitted by community, ViEWS explains)

11:17 AM: Not lightning round. “Inside District 1 is a neighborhood with lowest life-expectancy in the city. Name it and say what you would do to fix it.”

Herbold – South Park, continue fixing Duwamish problems
Goberman – not sure but would do his best for all citizens of West Seattle/South Park
Tavel – South Park, knows the air quality is even worse than the river quality, speeding up Duwamish cleanup and regulating industries would be most important
Braddock – Duwamish Corridor, continuing to restore public-health clinics is important
Koch – same community in his answer, city budget priorities are important, and collecting more money (development fees) could help with this problem too
Helmick – Delridge, because there’s no access to good fresh food; Delridge Grocery will be starting up and trying to bring fresh food to Delridge, also, improving walkability in area, bike lanes, must be done
Thomas – South Park, “children can’t breathe,” and Delridge, “kids can’t eat.” Need to fix those problems, city hasn’t been able to incentivize a grocery store on Delridge; also in SP, air-quality problem
Redmond – Both Delridge & SP have serious health problems. City could help with providing race/social-justice funding for Delridge Grocery as it does for other kinds of enterprises/activities. For SP, stronger pushback against EPA Record of Decision, remove more toxic material from the river before we cover it up.
Capestany – South Delridge. Get healthy food. He thinks the area should have three grocery stores.

(By the way, the correct answer to “lowest life-expectancy in the city” is – North Delridge. In the 60s.)

One more question: What plan do you have for the city’s own Myers wetland (Taylor-Judd mentions the “Save Myers Park” meeting happening simultaneously)?
Goberman – Not familiar with it
Tavel – Does need to be protected
Braddock – Agree with protecting it, but we’re having trouble with maintenance in other parks, need to study more
Koch – Protect it
Helmick – Very familiar with this area, wetlands protection important, once land is gone, it’s gone, for preserving it
Thomas – Not familiar with it
Redmond – Preserving wetlands very important, not much preservation in that area
Capestany – For preserving any wetland
Herbold – To preserve it, the city first has to look at not selling it.

(P.S. Read about the Myers Parcels here.)

11:28 AM: The event is now breaking into “speed-candi-dating” in small groups. We’ve recorded the preceding part of the event on video and will add here when it’s ready, later today/tonight.

11:59 PM: We’ve now added all of our video clips embedded inline above – three clips totaling all of the Position 8/9 candidates’ quick pitches, and the full hourlong unedited District 1 forum. As far as we know, your next chance to see the candidates together will be at the District 1 forum the 34th District Democrats‘ are planning for their next meeting, April 8th.

38 Replies to "VIDEO + AS-IT-HAPPENED COVERAGE: City Council candidates' forum presented by VIEWS at West Seattle Senior Center"

  • Wag the dog March 14, 2015 (11:32 am)

    Support dogs using pools…?!!? Spectacular!

  • dsa March 14, 2015 (12:19 pm)

    (By the way, the correct answer to “lowest life-expectancy in the city” is – North Delridge. In the 60s.)
    I’m sure that the then Bethlehem Steel company resolved that air quality problem when they installed the required baghouses. I remember when everything back then surrounding the plant was dirty. You could see it from riding on the bus.

    • WSB March 14, 2015 (12:25 pm)

      I think these are current stats, although I’ll admit I was surprised too – I was sure that South Park was the correct answer. Not going to be able to dive through stats this morning to look …

  • KT March 14, 2015 (12:44 pm)

    “Would you support not allowing police to not carry firearms while patrolling in West Seattle?” Huh? What is this asking?

  • Oakley34 March 14, 2015 (12:44 pm)

    “Would you support not allowing police to not carry firearms while patrolling in West Seattle?”

    Hmm…I’ll answer your question with a question:

    Are you for the inclusion of obfuscatory questions in the screening of your candidates?

    • WSB March 14, 2015 (1:11 pm)

      Sorry, I think I have one too many “nots” in there, will fix, thanks for reading! The question was basically, whether a candidate would support police patroling without weapons.

  • Diane March 14, 2015 (1:41 pm)

    TR, you were correct; the question which he repeated twice had 2 “not”s; everyone was confused

  • Dorsol Plants March 14, 2015 (2:11 pm)

    I would be happy to provide the study to anyone who wants it, but the answer is Delridge which is 9 years less of life than the KC average. Delridge also has the highest rates of respiratory disease, obesity/weight related illness, and suicide.

  • Lisa Herbold March 14, 2015 (2:11 pm)

    I served on the Neighborhood House Board in the past. The question was about past volunteer work relevant to West Seattle. I am not member now. Thank YOU!

  • dsa March 14, 2015 (2:42 pm)

    What time period are they talking about Dorsol. Does it cover the last 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years?

  • WS March 14, 2015 (3:41 pm)

    “Do you support construction of third stadium in SODO?
    Only yes answers are Capestany and Herbold”

    Licata was not a supporter, and did not support subsidized sports arenas generally. Interesting divergence of opinion here.

  • Dorsol Plants March 14, 2015 (4:00 pm)

    This data was presented at the Delridge Act meeting by KC Public Health and the meeting notes can be found at this link:

    Here is one of the sources for the information KC Public Health provided at that meeting, a Group Health study done from 2013-2015:

  • Dorsol Plants March 14, 2015 (4:04 pm)

    @jamila If you look at the study the article cites, you’ll see that it includes Delridge as South Park and Georgetown in parts, It appears the boundary they drew is from 35th in some areas. The study I linked to breaks it down by individual neighborhoods.

    I think the biggest take away should be that there are studies showing that whoever represents District 1 needs to correct what decades of neglect have done to people’s health.

  • CM March 14, 2015 (5:27 pm)

    “The question was basically, whether a candidate would support police patrolling without weapons.”

    Can anyone explain the rationale behind this question to me? It seems even more bizarre than the question about dogs in pools.

  • Dorsol Plants March 14, 2015 (5:56 pm)

    I can explain the police patrolling question, as it was another community submitted question.

    Parts of District 1 are very diverse and have unique or very different relationships with the Police Department. So when some people hear that there will be increased police patrols in WS, they are not certain that will make them safer. This has lead many to question whether our police department should do like a number of other 1st World nations and not have officers on foot or beat patrols carrying firearms.

    • WSB March 14, 2015 (6:14 pm)

      Just wanted to add, thanks to Dorsol for participating here to answer followup questions. He is one of three VIEWS members who took turns moderating this morning’s event; he also ran audio. And if you are new to WS and don’t otherwise know him, he is a former City Council candidate himself, and a former chair of the Highland Park Action Committee. Among other things! VIEWS doesn’t have much background info on its website yet but another of those moderating today, Michael Taylor-Judd (also a former City Council candidate, and currently on the board of the North Delridge Neighborhood Council, among other things), said you can expect to hear more from them in the future as they work to ramp it up as a West Seattle-wide community-building org. – TR

  • WS for 40 years March 14, 2015 (6:23 pm)

    Police not carrying firearms? I expect that the criminals will abide by the same rules?

    And, what was the meaning of asking candidates if they spoke other languages? Does that tell immigrants that they need not assimilate?

    • WSB March 14, 2015 (6:52 pm)

      One in five people living in the U.S. speaks a language other than English at home. There is no requirement that you speak English in order to vote, although most of those who speak another language at home also speak English, according to the Census Bureau’s 2011 report:
      I haven’t yet found a breakout of languages spoken by voters, native-born and naturalized, but with the low voter participation rate in our country overall, it would be easy to imagine a fair number of English-speaking citizens who don’t vote, despite almost all the outreach being done in their language, so reaching out every way that can be done, including being able to converse with voters in their main language, whatever it is, would not seem to have a downside. – TR

  • Jim Guenther March 14, 2015 (8:20 pm)

    A big shout out to the VIEW for this program. These don’t just happen it takes a lot of work that many do not recognize.They provided us with an excellent well thought out forum. Secondly the candidates need to be thanked for taking part and running for office. The West Seattle Blog I believe is an asset that keeps us informed and involved with pin point information.Again thank you for this service.We are so fortunate that you are in this community. The forum raised some very interesting questions and issues that weren’t being discussed very vigorously before this. The issue of developers paying impact fees has been ignored by the current city council even though the authority has existed for over 20 years. WE don’t need a study or wait for the results of a study. The only time this subject was discussed was in November at a Saturday brown bag with no follow up action proposed. Recognizing this council and the administration has 9 more months before this election takes place I think Mayor Murray should but a moratorium on the issuing of building permits other than those people request to remodel or build a single family residence to be used as their place of domicile. The new council needs to be a given chance to comment on assessing developers for their added cost to the community. Thank to all of you for this opportunity.

  • Wag the dog March 14, 2015 (10:15 pm)

    Love the of photo the candidate on the phone! She’s In it for sure! Wow

  • JTB March 14, 2015 (10:40 pm)

    I was happy to finally meet Tracy in person this morning and thank her for the tremendous service she provides to helping West Seattle. Having been at the forum, it’s pretty striking how comprehensively her account cuts to the chase in representing what actually took place. How often does that happen with the usual media? Thanks again, TR.

    • WSB March 14, 2015 (11:51 pm)

      Thanks again for the kind words, JTB. This isn’t just my work – I do the words (and most of the social media) but co-publisher Patrick (Sand) takes the pix, rolls the video (unless he’s off covering a separate event; forums like this are too important for us not to double-team, though), circulates and chats (something I’m terrible at) in addition to handling the business side of things. And more. In fact – going on midnight and finally the last piece of what we covered today is ready to go (adding the District 1 hourlong video now that it’s finally processed) … TR

  • Chris March 14, 2015 (10:52 pm)

    Looks like that’s Lisa Herbold checking her phone.

  • Dismayed March 14, 2015 (11:25 pm)

    I have a question: is this a joke? No really, is this a joke? Is anyone taking this election seriously? I can’t even begin to address all the absurdities in these questions and these candidates, but here is a small sample of my frustration:
    Dogs in pools? How does someone’s ridiculous pet issue (so to speak) rise to the level of something to be asked of people who will be running the city? And police not carrying guns? Sorry, Plants, but you claim that police in other countries don’t carry guns is straight-up mythology; please do some traveling and see with your own eyes before spreading that kind of misinformation. The only thing any of these people have to offer on the cost of housing are linkage fees and rent control which both _increase_ the cost if housing, showing they know some buzz words but don’t understand the issue at all. There’s an ongoing theme of almost hysterical over emphasis on non-violent crime despite the very low crime rate in West Seattle. Nobody has any ideas at all on mass transit; none of them will admit it but they’re all counting on ST3 to cover their assets on that because they have f.a. to offer. They keep claiming “neighborhoods have no voice!” despite the endless public meetings and public comments about every single little thing the city does.
    This whole race is a farce with no candidates of any substance, who have no concrete ideas or real world solutions. I just can’t believe that these people are the best West Seattle has to offer, and I don’t see why I should vote for any of them.

  • AmandaKH March 15, 2015 (10:38 am)

    Looks like we will have one more candidate with Dismayed running.

  • Ivan March 15, 2015 (11:06 am)

    Having been to any number of these candidate forums, and having set them up and run them myself, I also want to congratulate Michael, Dorsol, and Pete for running a pretty much flawless event, and special thanks to Marvin Rosete for his work in the kitchen.

    To those of you who are less than satisfied with the candidates, or the issues, or the questions, or the answers, please remember that it is only March, the primary is not till August, and the general election is not until November.

    Therefore, no one forum is ever going to be definitive. As the candidates get out into the neighborhoods and meet with more voters, the issues, the questions, and the answers will come into much sharper focus, and with each succeeding contact with candidates, and each succeeding forum, voters who pay attention should have a much clearer picture on which to base a judgment.

    Thanks again to all the candidates, thanks again to the organizers, and thanks to WSB for its usual high-level coverage. If succeeding forums are this good, then the process will be serving the community quite well.

  • civik March 15, 2015 (11:26 am)

    I can understand why you would need regular patrols not to carry firearms. There seems to be a skin color problem with departments relying on force instead of de-escalation. Force should be a last resort, not your first tool.

    When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

  • miws March 15, 2015 (12:40 pm)

    Touche, Amanda! :-)



  • VieWS March 15, 2015 (4:40 pm)

    Sorry to hear that some are dissatisfied with questions. We tried to cover a wide range of issues — including ones that are important to smaller constituencies or are a little different than we normally hear.
    I’d also remind everyone that the “bizarre” questions were part of the lightning round, which is a moment for just Yes/No (or Waffle) answers. They’re not envisioned to be in-depth discussions. On the other hand, we decided not to ask obvious questions such as “Do you support light rail to West Seattle?” as we would expect ALL of them to answer Yes.
    Expect more in-depth conversations when we have whittled down the large field after the August Primary.

  • Shawn Terjeson March 15, 2015 (5:43 pm)

    Thanks VIEWS for the chance to meet the candidates. Also thanks for inviting the At Large candidates, it was a great opportunity to get a bead on those races.
    Development is my hot button, last year a city council member told me, “Oh yeah, those guys (developers) are in here (city hall) all the time.” After looking at council member campaign disclosures, it’s easy to understand why. My results for requesting meetings were: 3 months of asking for meetings, replies from 4 council members.
    At the candidate forum, I started asking candidates, “Will you accept campaign donations from developers?”
    Lisa Herbold: She will not accept donations from development companies, but will accept donations from individuals in real estate interests. She does not want to take an action that will shut down all dialog.
    Shannon Braddock: She has no restrictions on who she will accept money from, but she is in favor of campaign reform.
    Tom Koch: He will not accept donations from developers or individuals who would lobby city council.
    Mr. Koch has my attention.
    More candidate replies as I get a chance to ask.

    • WSB March 15, 2015 (5:46 pm)

      Shawn, thank you for posting. Which reminds me of something you might have encountered in your research, but if not – logs are posted on the city website regarding who signs in to meet with councilmembers:

  • Wag the dog March 15, 2015 (6:31 pm)

    Good point Sean, but isn’t mr Koch a developer or didn’t he take money from out of state developers? I thought a saw someone found that on the blog. Don’t also forget UNION money! Oh yes….everyone wants some of that!

  • Tom Rasmussen March 15, 2015 (10:30 pm)

    The sign-in sheets are not a complete record of who meets with Councilmembers by any measure.

    Generally, it is a record only of those who go from the waiting room to the individual Councilmember’s office. Most people sign in some do not.

    As for meetings with me. Most of my meetings are held in a large conference room next to the waiting room (the Sam Smith room) because it is larger than my office. Rarely do the people who meet with me sign in simply because I usually come out to the waiting room and welcome people and invite them into the Sam Smith Room. The only reason is that the Sam Smith Room is larger and much more convenient and accessible.

  • Wag the dog March 15, 2015 (11:20 pm)

    Tom I really, really wish you would change your mind about running!

  • David Trotter March 16, 2015 (1:14 pm)

    As a WS resident, Mr. Koch also has my attention. I have been leading to Chas Redmond or Lisa Herbold, but Mr. Koch and I had a chance to visit, and his focus as a developer calling for responsible development that actually includes substantial lower-income housing, both with and without impact fees, is refreshing. I found his statement to me about Redmond and Herbold both essentially representing the status quo informative.

    On the matter of unarmed police on walking (and bike) beats — I have been informed by a former British citizen living in Seattle’s Whittier neighborhood that Britain indeed has such officers. And their are both race issues and “shoot first” issues in Seattle. Former SPOG president Rich O’Neal sat in a public forum following the John T Williams murder and stated, “You always can keep it from escalating. You always have a choice. Comply with the police. Right or wrong, comply with the police.” In other words, he’s saying to comply with the police, right or wrong, or it’s going to escalate; comply or be beaten, tazed, shot killed;comply or else.

    The recent lawsuit by the 100-plus officers (including Cynthia Whitlatch) claiming “Constitution rights” in regard to using force demonstrates there is still such an attitude too prevelent in the SPD.

    De-arming some beat cops also could address such issues as the trust factors in South Park and de-policing of that neighborhood.

  • Ken March 16, 2015 (7:00 pm)

    @ Wag the dog: Just about to make the same comment myself. Tom, I wholeheartedly wish that you would reconsider your decision about running for City Council.

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