Followup: The Camp Long trouble before Delridge SWAT standoff

(Photo courtesy of Amanda)
The SWAT standoff that shut down three blocks of Delridge through the morning commute today started with an incident at Camp Long late Thursday night that raised additional questions today. Jena, who was camping in the park’s cabins with a group of 4-to-7-year-old children, voiced detailed concerns in this comment following our original coverage, so we followed up with the Parks Department.

First, we should note that the 20-year-old man police were seeking at the home in the 5000 block of Delridge – until he turned up instead at the Southwest Precinct – remains in jail as of last check, under investigation for two felonies, domestic-violence assault and domestic-violence harassment. Police say he threatened his girlfriend with a gun.

Now, to Camp Long. Parks spokesperson Joelle Hammerstad answered our inquiries about what commenter Jena reported, including, in part, “Around 11:30 pm a huge party broke out in cabin 8, loud music, drugs and alcohol, and a young man started punching out the windows of the North bathrooms, fifty feet from our cabins (9 & 10).” First – we asked about damage from the window-breaking report and whether the reported party had led to cabin damage. Hammerstad’s reply: “The cabins are fine and do not have any damage. Four windows are broken in the men’s bathroom, but that is not affecting their use. They are more like ventilation windows over six feet off the ground.” To the more complicated issues Jena raised regarding security and communication – read on:

Jena wrote that “The staff at Camp Long knew NOTHING of the incident or the broken windows in the north bathroom until I informed them at 10:45 AM this morning,” and also mentioned a large number of “juveniles” in the park, as well as the fact that she had to let police into the gated park.

Hammerstad was able to speak to Camp Long policy in general, as well as a few points of the park aspect of what happened: “We rent the cabins only to those 23 and older. This usually helps us avoid large parties of juveniles like we saw last night. The person who rented the two cabins in question indicated that there would be a total of 12 people in his party. For campers who cause problems in the park, we typically pursue an exclusion order. We intend to do that in this case.” She says drinking is against the park rules, and “This is also in the contract that campers sign when they rent cabins.”

Regarding camp access and security: “When campers rent overnight, they are given a key to the front gate. This is in case of emergency, since the gate is locked at night. We also provide several emergency telephone numbers, which campers can call after hours, at night and on the weekends. All of those numbers are provided on the contract. … We contract with Olympic Security to check the park and lock the gates. Last night, Olympic Security checked the park at around 10:30 p.m. While they did notice large numbers of juveniles, they did not see any unruly behavior at that time. They locked the gate around 10:30 p.m. and left. … We do not have overnight security in the park when we have campers there. This typically has not been a problem.” That was about an hour before the trouble was reported.

As for why commenter Jena was told that park staff had no idea about last night’s incident until she told them, Hammerstad told us: “The staff at Camp Long was not aware of what had occurred on Thursday night because no one had notified them. The maintenance guy who comes in early does not go to the cabins to clean them until after checkout, which is 12 noon. The front desk staff came in around 9:30 a.m., and they were met by the camper who had been there with the children the night before.”

That would be Jena, who has added another comment since our last late-in-the-day exchange with Parks. Other commenters have noted that Camp Long is not a frequent trouble spot, including this park neighbor who says last night was only the second time in 9 years they have called 911 about something heard in the park.

26 Replies to "Followup: The Camp Long trouble before Delridge SWAT standoff"

  • Linda July 15, 2011 (11:49 pm)

    I hate to be overly simplistic, but it sounds like if those little wankers who are renting the house where all this went down clear out, a lot of the trouble in both Camp Long and that area of Delridge will go away. Is there some sort of Deadliest Catch Never Come Back boat that they could be put on? (Again, I’m not trying to trivialize this very serious situation, but we can’t be held hostage by these screwed up anomalies in our neighborhoods.) Although it was a very unpleasant impetus, it’s pretty cool that it mobilized the neighborhood to get in touch with each other and form a block watch.

  • ttt July 16, 2011 (8:24 am)

    That is a crazy picture…scares me that we need a SWAT team, but glad they’re here when needed!

  • ummm July 16, 2011 (8:36 am)

    TTT-

    I would agree with that sentiment more if the suspect had not somehow slipped by the authorities and ended up turning himself in at the precinct. :/

  • redblack July 16, 2011 (9:11 am)

    unfortunately, linda, even little wankers have to live somewhere.

  • Jiggers July 16, 2011 (9:13 am)

    Summer brings out the best in some people, doesn’t it.

  • WTF July 16, 2011 (10:06 am)

    Let me get this straight…there were 50+ juveniles. There was alcohol present. Not only did the “security” team incorrectly determine that there was no unruly behavior but Hammerstead admits “We do not have overnight security in the park when we have campers there.” Did we get that correctly…there is no supervision of the park once the gate is locked at 10:30? What if one of these drunk minors got behind the wheel of an automobile and caused a fatality? Guess who would be responsible? Luckily there was only a minor breaking windows in the bathroom…what if the individual had set it on fire? If it was after 10:30 then the camp staff and “security” team would have no way of knowing and have to rely on a park user to handle the situation. UNACCEPTABLE. Hello Parks and Recreation? Hello SPD? Hello Camp Long staff? What procedures are in place to prevent late night violence from occurring in the park? Why aren’t officers familiar with the grounds? Campers need to be able to give 911 a cabin number and know that the responders know exactly where to go. This is not the case and exposes an embarrassing and dangerous lapse in West Seattle emergency services coverage. This is a public space that has SLEEPOVERS…that these violent events are rare at Camp Long is irrelevant and no excuse. Camp Long must have an overnight supervisor on-sight. Raise cabin rental rates to cover the cost. The staff being clueless about what goes on behind the gates after dark is irresponsible at best and negligent at worst. Don’t wait for a lawsuit before you act…

  • marty July 16, 2011 (11:19 am)

    WTF: Right on! Doesn’t seem like brain surgery to me either…

  • common sense July 16, 2011 (11:19 am)

    its truly sad to hear one party taking the wrap for this….this incident did not happen at camp long it was blocks away up on 35th. The gun man was not a party attender. Did anyone mention the other booming parties happening on site that night? no so lets stop building false accusations without facts. Funny to think only one of the many parties that night contributed to this and funny to think this did not even take place on site hmmm..I I live right near the park and yeah noise was present but nothing out of hand and by 1130-12 the music was turned down and no problems arouse I do have complaints on the other campsites which stayed up all night yelling and camping out.

  • Semele July 16, 2011 (11:38 am)

    This isn’t the only problem house on our block unfortunately. But it for sure has been one of the most active problem houses.

  • newnative July 16, 2011 (11:38 am)

    If you follow the posts, it wasn’t the party but the party crashers that caused the problems. And the gun man was there. I have never heard of a campsite that was locked.

  • WTF July 16, 2011 (12:23 pm)

    Newnative is correct…the issue isn’t where the troublemakers came from, it’s that the park and SPD are both unprepared to handle these types of situations and negligent by having no safeguards in place to prevent them. No one is blaming your party for the problem but this most definitely DID take place on-site. Does the “security” team even walk the grounds before they lock up for the night? Do they interact with the campers in each cabin to determine who they are locking in? If a cabin only sleeps 12 but the staff sees a party of 40+ people and then LOCKS THEM IN then we have a serious failure of security here.

  • Grounded? July 16, 2011 (12:56 pm)

    Hey common sense,
    You might as well come clean to your folks about being at “the party”. There weren’t any other parties at Camp Long that night, unless you were hanging with the huge group of preteen and teens there for a religious camp?
    Sorry you are grounded for life…

  • concerned citizen July 16, 2011 (1:44 pm)

    I know some of the campers that were there that night and a huge concern I have regarding the police that night is that knowing that there was a gun involved. The police deemed the man a high enough concern/threat to call the swat team, close roads, and detour buses by his home. Since the original incident occurred in Camp Long and they arrived there looking for him from one of the 9-1-1 calls why didn’t they tell the other campers to stay in there cabins and lock the doors. I have heard that they did not what to cause panic but the on goings of the party could have justified those safety precautions to be ordered. It was evident that drugs were being used at the party so the possibility that the supect was in an altered state and more unpredictable was there yet they had civilians guiding them about and being asked to help idenify who vandalized the the park. Once done with there initial round up of teens they left without any safety warning given. They were called back again an hour or so later because more of the teens were returning to see if the party was going to resume. The gun man could of been any of those kids, some were there still the next morning. I ask why didn’t the officers even suggest a lock down and if they deem a suspect worthy of a swat team why didn’t they keep a police presence in Camp Long, the last place he was seen.

    As far as the logistics of Camp Long and emergency personnel entering the park are concerned I know budgets are always an issue. Could a coded lock box be installed outside the gate with a key and a map of the camp inside? Could the park have an on call person available to meet emergency personnel to help show them around or possibly a close by community member (similar to neighborhood watch) help them navigate the area.

    Camp Long is an amazing place that I really enjoy and I am happy to have in our area. I would love for these issues to get worked through to maintain a safe park that if an emergency, be it police, medical, or fire be able to promptly access the area and be able to navigate the area effectively.

  • mcbride July 16, 2011 (1:49 pm)

    It helps to remember that Camp Long is a unique place (in this country), and as such has considerations outside the norm. The park was created as a private space, not available to the public (that transition happened a few decades ago). A return to that model would provide a solution of sorts to these issues, but I really don’t think that’s the right answer. This is not to say that a conversation shouldn’t happen, it absolutely should.
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    Considerations include: The balance between a public space (a city park) and a private space (which the park transitions to after 6:30 pm). Between camping in the woods, and the expectation of city services delivered in “normal” timeframes. Between the desires of the public regarding a public space, and the investment they are willing to make in difficult economic times (when the municipality cannot cover additional expenses).
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    If, like WTF, you find the current situation unacceptable, then you have a classic call to action. Delridge responded by establishing Block Watch and rallying around their community. Camp Long has a volunteer base which has supported it for many years. If this event is compelling to you, bring your energy and ideas to a council meeting and learn more about how to engage. It’s Your park.
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    Camp Long Advisory Council meetings are open to the public. They are held at 7 PM, on the third Thursday of each month, inside the main lodge.

  • doggydodo July 16, 2011 (4:49 pm)

    Perhaps it is up to the campers to ask the security questions before bringing a group of youngsters for over night camping. That being said, I too have never seen any camp ground provide much in the way of “security”… it is “camping” after all… if you want locked doors and a security system, stay home. I would be upset too if I had been in a cabin at Camp Long that night, especially with kids,and a SWAT team had to be called because of a criminal in the park with a gun… terrible scenario, but I also don’t want to pay more taxes to add security to the park. Change policies or procedures, that sounds like a good idea.

  • Jena July 16, 2011 (5:34 pm)

    I agree with you, doggydodo, I also had to ask myself the same question, Did I prepare enough ahead of time by considering the night camping security before I decided to bring 14 campers into Camp Long? No. I also have to take personal responsibility for allowing teens to drink for a few hours before the window smashing event occurred. I should have called the police much earlier, as soon as I saw teens drinking. Those issues are my responsibility and I own them fully.

    That being said, the police should have told me about the gun or stayed in the camp to protect us. The SPD should know where the cabins and the bathrooms are inside the park. The officers should have informed the other large group of campers also in Camp Long that night of the situation as it was unfolding so they could protect their kids. Camp Long should have been notified by the SPD asap. At the very least the SPD could have left a message on Camp Long’s answering machine. When I woke on Friday morning there were still teens sitting near cabin 8’s campfire. How do they know the suspect wasn’t in Camp long all night? Camp Long’s security, if they did patrol the grounds at 10pm as they say they did, should have questioned the teenagers around cabin 8 to see who/how may were supposed to be staying inside the camp. At 10pm they would have seen what I saw, dozens of young people drinking and partying.
    I don’t want to pay more money in taxes either, but as a camper responsible for the welfare of small children, I would gladly pay an additional security fee/ per night to have the piece of mind that my kids are safe. For large and small groups of children, I believe that a night security option could and should be suggested and available.

  • Jena July 16, 2011 (5:36 pm)

    Also- I did have a locked door to my cabin and I am not asking for a special security system. Whether I am in the safety of my own home or camping in a public park in West Seattle, I do expect the SW precinct to protect me. Afterall, aren’t I paying for that with my taxes already?

  • WTF July 16, 2011 (6:01 pm)

    Agreed- aren’t we already paying taxes so that we are protected by the SPD?

  • alki_2008 July 16, 2011 (6:05 pm)

    In WSB’s follow-up article, it’s noted by the Parks spokesperson that campers are provided with after-hours phone numbers that can be called in case of emergency. I’m curious if campers that were concerned about the goings-on at the park called any of those numbers…and if so, then what type of response they received?
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    Can’t get past the inability of emergency personnel to find their way around the park though. That’s just ridiculous. There should be an easy-to-read map and adequate signage around the park so that emergency teams (whether police or paramedics) can move through the park in a timely manner.

  • Jena July 16, 2011 (7:42 pm)

    alki-2008-
    I did not call any of the numbers the night of the incident. I did, however, call each number early this morning because I wondered the same thing. Here are the responses I received at 6am this morning:
    Non-business Hour Emergency Contacts:
    1. Kelly Communications (206) 467-3005
    I reached an operator immediately. I was told that she worked for an independent answering service contracted by the Seattle Parks and Recreation Dept. I asked her what procedure she would take if I had an emergency in the park after hours. She said she would call the emergency contact at the park and request that they return my call as soon as possible.

    2. Weekend/After hours response: (206) 423-0526
    I reached an answering machine.

    3. Parks Security Unit: (206) 684-7088
    I reached an answering machine.

    I think the correct response on my part would still have been to call the SPD due to the emergency of the situation.

  • Lord of the Flies Prevention July 17, 2011 (12:57 pm)

    Why doesn’t Camp Long have an old-school salaried 24/7 live-in park ranger manning the gate and keeping an eye on what is going on like many other campgrounds do?

    If the reason is budget cuts, then maybe it should become a private campground or private event venue that can promise more accountability and security.

    The value of an inexpensive public campground within city limits goes WAY down as soon as you say: “We lock you into the park without any accountable staff or security between 10:30pm and 9:30am the next day AND our staff might not be reachable by phone if you have an emergency. In case you need to get out or need to let the cops in we will give you a key to the gate. Good luck with the cops/medics finding you if you do have an emergency.” Not so appealing.

  • jennie July 17, 2011 (7:40 pm)

    Sometimes Campground Hosts that live on-site as caretakers are even volunteers.

  • skyblue July 20, 2011 (3:01 am)

    Jena and WTF – I don’t know about YOU tax dollars but the SPD did a great job with MY tax dollars. They found the SOB who threatened a kid with a gun, got him in handcuffs and then confiscated the SOB’s guns. Sounds like some great police work to me. Job well done, SPD. As for me and my family, we are responsible enough to realize that police are not always going to be there when the ish hits the fan; They are not going to hold your hand 24/7. But believe you me, when it does…I will be responsible for the safety of my family, not some 23 yr old cop (no offense SPD).

  • Fred July 20, 2011 (9:16 am)

    The only problem with that sky-blue is that the police didn’t find the SOB, he turned himself into the precinct the next morning. He wasn’t in the house that the SWAT team surrounded all not OR he somehow escaped their SWAT team- either scenario is unfortunate for the SPD.

  • WTF July 21, 2011 (5:25 pm)

    Skyblue, what are you proposing should have been done differently? Are you suggesting that Jena should have brought a weapon to a kids’ sleepover? Other than that you’ve completely missed the point. The SPD is ill-equipped to handle an emergency in Camp Long because they A) had to wait for the right cop to show up with the key to the front gate, B) don’t know the layout of the park or where the cabin numbers are, C) can’t navigate the trails in the dark due to lack of lighting. If you read the police report the girlfriend said that he was the one breaking the windows in Camp Long’s bathroom…so he was on-site. Why weren’t the kids police-escorted out of the park or their caregivers alerted to a possible gunman?

  • JoanM July 23, 2011 (8:53 am)

    I live next to the park and had no idea is was considered “private” after hours. It’s a city park!! Hello?? I am also concerned that there is no park supervisory person at night, when the noise level of performers gets out of control. There is no reason for the sound system to be so loud. I’ve been meaning to complain about it.

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