Followup: More details on looming Alaskan Way Viaduct squeeze

(See 2:06 pm update at bottom of story, with bus info from Metro)
New information about the Alaskan Way Viaduct lane reduction that starts May 16th, according to WSDOT’s announcement this morning (here’s our earlier story). The media briefing wasn’t a presentation type of briefing but rather a Q/A opportunity availability with Viaduct project boss Ron Paananen. Here’s what we learned beyond what this morning’s announcement included:

*KEY POINT – THIS IS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME: The “2013” mention in the announcement is NOT the actual expected end date for this. Barring something unusual like a project stall, 99 will be down to two lanes each way, at least for this stretch, till the Central Waterfront replacement opens. If that’s the deep-bore tunnel, possibly late 2015. (And if the tunnel is tossed, Paananen warned, that would add at least 2 years to the replacement process.)

*FEWER LANES, SLOWER SPEED: The speed limit will drop as well as the number of lanes – to 35 mph. Heading north, toward downtown, the lane reduction and speed reduction will kick in, WSDOT says, just as soon as you get off The Bridge and get onto 99. It continues until roughly Royal Brougham Way (the street between the stadiums) before opening to three lanes each way again. Heading back south toward West Seattle, approximately the same stretch – Royal Brougham to the north, until Lander (which is a bit north of Spokane, the street The Bridge parallels).

*TRANSIT LANE DOESN’T RUN THE ENTIRE STRETCH: The mentioned-earlier northbound transit lane will NOT be through the actual work zone – it will be a partial stretch enabling buses that use The Viaduct to get a bit of a jump on traffic, but once they get to the actual work zone, it will be two lanes for everyone. (See the map atop our earlier story.)

*WHY DO THIS NOW? The reason one lane is being lost – on the west side of The Viaduct, in both directions – is because a few pillars for the new southbound replacement structure actually have to go through the footprint of the current one. So there will be pile-driving work right next to the travel lanes. How will that affect Viaduct stability? Paananen says they will monitor it carefully – the southern stretch has not had settling trouble in the past, but on the other hand, it’s technically more vulnerable, since the “fill” that changed the area from tidelands decades ago is deeper than it is under the rest of the viaduct.

We have a few other notes to add shortly. And if you have a “how is this going to work?” question that neither our coverage nor the WSDOT website is answering – PLEASE ask in comments, and we will do our best to pursue answers; WSDOT has a large and responsive media-relations team who (regardless of your view of the actual project merits) whom we are sure will pursue the answer for us/you.

2:06 PM UPDATE: Checked with Linda Thielke at King County Department of Transportation regarding Metro and the upcoming AWV lane reduction. For one – she says they will be out later this week with some information specifically targeted for bus riders whose routes will go through the construction zone. In the meantime, here’s the latest on bus-service increases past and possibly future as part of the “viaduct mitigation”:

To date, WSDOT has funded an additional 31 trips on routes: 21X, 56X, and 121. These trips were added a while back to make transit a good alternative for folks during the construction. Metro has seen ridership increase 11 percent on those trips (fall 2009 compared to fall 2010).

Right now, there is a proposal (not finalized yet) that would add more trips in October 2011. This would increase trips on the Rt. 120 funded by WSDOT and the Rt. 54 funded by Metro. And, the additional trips on the 21X, 56X, and 121 would continue.

Also, we’re seeing an uptick in inquiries about vanpooling and vansharing from the West Seattle area.

Here’s where you can find out more info about that.

40 Replies to "Followup: More details on looming Alaskan Way Viaduct squeeze"

  • Joan May 2, 2011 (12:53 pm)

    I think I might be confused. They are replacing the current viaduct, or large sections of it, and in approximately 5 years tear it all down for the tunnel or whatever other option is chosen. Is that right? And in the meantime they are getting us accustomed to using alternate routes to get downtown? It sounds like they are using a long term plan to redirect human behavior to get us to use alternate routes so when the tunnel work starts and is eventually completed, we will already be used to not using the 99 route.

  • EPL May 2, 2011 (1:11 pm)

    I have to say, THIS is a sure fire way to get the speeders on the WS bridge to drive the speed limit. Yay!

  • Traveller May 2, 2011 (1:41 pm)

    Just another reason never to leave West Seattle!

  • Deb May 2, 2011 (1:47 pm)

    Looks like I will have to take an earlier bus to work…riding a bike is not an option for me…it can already take 45 minutes to go 7.5 miles to work or back home….it will only get worse before they are done…. *sigh*

  • Dave May 2, 2011 (2:20 pm)

    Anyone see the Seattle episode of “Inspector America” on History channel last night? Really scary, the seawall is trash, as is the viaduct which is right next to the seawall. Any small earthquake and both will most likely fail if they don’t just fall down on their own. Also, the streets of Pioneer Square are built on rotted wood, you can see it at the entrance to the underground tour. The viaduct is pretty likely to fall down before it’s replaced so keep that in mind if you drive on it.

  • john May 2, 2011 (2:32 pm)

    I live in white center, it is 25 minutes max to downtown. 15 if I take a car, 22-25 if I bike.

    WHen it snows, the bike is considerably faster than driving a car.

    Not worried.

    Life is good.

    (BTW: my Doc still says that at 42 I am in perfect shape for an 18 year old and my gas bill for the year so far is $30-$40).

  • Jim May 2, 2011 (3:46 pm)

    @Dave… Thanks for the tip on Inspector America. For those with “on demand” it is already listed.

  • Al May 2, 2011 (3:53 pm)

    I am surprised (well, maybe not) by all the angst this is causing. It’s been published for years now and people are just now paying attention (wait, of course because now it’s reality)? The street grid they are working on now is required to give motorists new streets! New routes! A new tunnel! It’s good, right? And it it doesn’t happen over night. It’s a huge, huge project.
    The street grid that they have been working on will be either the approach to the new tunnel along with the new access/exit points near Royal Brougham, or it will be the new grid accessing downtown (if the tunnel for some reason isn’t built in the end). Either way it has to happen and there’s no getting around it. Well, except via bicycle (personally tested and approved). :-)

  • taxpayer May 2, 2011 (4:02 pm)

    dave –the sky is falling, the sky is falling

  • metrognome May 2, 2011 (4:33 pm)

    Dave (and ‘taxpayer’) — if you really want a scare about the state of our infrastructure, check out the latest ‘report card’ … but don’t worry, I’m sure Tim Eyman will make sure funding for repairing our drinking water system, sewage system, dams, bridges, etc. gets repealed if our elected officials ever face up to the problem and try to start fixing the worst of the worst.

  • metrognome May 2, 2011 (4:35 pm)

    sorry, the edit function wouldn’t let me edit my own comment; here is the website:
    http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/

  • YarnCore May 2, 2011 (4:43 pm)

    I truly think that there still isn’t enough of the 56X bus. I should be able to go straight home if I leave work after 6:30. I’m not saying it should run until 10, but 1 or two more later buses would be nice. Not all of us can leave work on time all the time.

  • Dennis Ross May 2, 2011 (4:46 pm)

    Metro speaks with forked tounge. Yes the State gave funding to add two additional 56 routes and yes Metro added these but at the same time they eliminated one 57 route leaving us with only one additional trip. Ask Metro what gives. Also they use 40′ coaches on many of these rush hour trips which equates to fewer seats and standing room only. They need to explain this.

  • Mike May 2, 2011 (5:10 pm)

    waste… of… money

  • Dave May 2, 2011 (5:23 pm)

    taxpayer, if and when you see the show (which you won’t as you’ve made your mind up) take a look at the epoxy holding the concrete viaduct road deck together. I don’t know if you’ve ever built anything but epoxy doesn’t work so good on concrete.

  • Alex May 2, 2011 (5:25 pm)

    It should be really interesting to see how significant an impact these upcoming road downgrades make to our commutes. Then, extrapolating that change to be about 20x worse should give an idea of how things will look when the viaduct actually comes down the rest of the way. That should give a hint of how bad our new reality will be, so watch closely…
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    I’m envisioning mile-long backups from every bridge entrance. Admiral, Delridge, Fauntleroy, 35th, Avalon, and Harbor Ave, all at a dead-stop. I commute South (a “reverse commute”), and even I cant avoid this. Thousands of cars sitting at idle far longer than they currently do, burning fuel, wasting time –it’s a nightmare. Even if a huge proportion started bicycling more and the busses and water taxi were jam-packed mega-full, it would barely dent this new traffic jam we’re creating. That’s just reality.

  • taxpayer May 2, 2011 (5:45 pm)

    dave, cement takes roughly 100 yrs. to cure out.
    why a duck has been there since what? 1953-1954.
    just over half way there. and what show? groucho bros.
    i hope.

  • mightymo May 2, 2011 (6:00 pm)

    What Metro needs is at least one route that continues east until the 4th Ave. S. exit. Now that it’s been open for at least six months I hope they have plans for this.
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    I selfishly hope it will make at least one stop right after getting off the Alaska St. Viaduct because I work in Georgetown. (Busing from the AK Junction to Georgetown is ridiculous because you have to go through downtown.) But then I know that there’s barely money to keep the routes/runs that we have now and there’s no simple retrofit to an existing route.

  • Dave May 2, 2011 (6:41 pm)

    Watch the show taxpayer, then come flap to me.

    Oh and by the way, we all pay taxes not just you.

  • Peter on Fauntleroy May 2, 2011 (7:22 pm)

    OK, a lot of people have their facts wrong here: 1. This is not about the tunnel; this section of 99 is being rebuilt regardless of what happens with the viaduct/tunnel issue. 2. There has been no initiative/referendum regarding this project. There has been no movement against this construction. This has been a part of ALL plans to replace the viaduct: tunnel, rebuild , surface/transit allinclude rebuilding this portion of 99. People are confusing this with the anti-tunnel movement. 3. This has absolutely nothing to do with the seawall (Where did people come up with that connection?). Everyone: please stop confusing the issues, and please check the facts before you form your opinions.

  • tp May 2, 2011 (7:42 pm)

    The tunnel will also be two lanes. Is this a preview of what we are to expect when the tunnel is complete? It looks like this project is for the fat cats downtown so they will have an un-obtructed view,not for the motorists of the SW and NW sections of Seattle.

    • WSB May 2, 2011 (7:47 pm)

      Just another reminder that this is NOT the tunnel project. It will connect to whatever replaces the Central Waterfront section of the Alaskan Way Viaduct. This in fact, if you have not been following our coverage for the last several years (not to mention regional media), is another elevated structure for much of the way, so nobody’s getting an unobstructed view out of it. Maybe it’s time for a total refresher course. I don’t have time for that tonight but anyone interested is welcome to go to http://www.alaskanwayviaduct.org and follow the links on the Holgate to King Street Replacement project (formerly the South End, but it’s the same thing). Also, the South Portal Working Group, which gets the first look at what’s ahead plus offers its opinions on how WS and environs might be affected – believe me, some things would have been worse if not for their input, although they don’t get a vote, just a voice – meets again on June 1st, and it’s always interesting .. public welcome but sadly seldom shows (I’m often not only the only reporter but the only person who’s not a staff member for one of the various agencies) … TR

  • chas redmond May 2, 2011 (9:37 pm)

    If WSDOT is still answering questions, ask them what the total number of LOST vehicle traffic lanes there is between three years ago and the end of 2013 – by my count we lose Alaskan Way – 2 lanes each direction, we lose E. Marginal, 2 lanes each direction – looks like the end result is a reduction of 4 vehicle lanes in each direction or 8 vehicle lanes total – and how is it that WSDOT and SDOT think there isn’t going to be a 4 to 5 year unacceptable level of congestion and delay? I’m figuring at least two X the time for anything – that’s another cost, btw, the human impact in terms of lost manhours.

    • WSB May 2, 2011 (9:49 pm)

      Yes, I missed a chance to get some followups answered today so I’m planning another one tomorrow. Will check on that. I don’t know, honestly, from the way things have been phrased at various briefings (and you’ve been to many) that they “think there isn’t going to be a …unacceptable level of congestion …” at this point it seems kind of “well, this is the best we can do given what we have to do, let’s just do it and see what happens.” Everyone, myself included, has somewhat fond memories of what we called Freeway Fright 2007 – I even categorized our coverage that way – when I-5 had a couple weeks of serious work and lane reductions that were supposed to turn the world into gridlock, but in the end, didn’t – because people changed their habits, albeit temporarily. This of course is way different – particularly the years, not weeks, time span …
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      Times transportation reporter Mike Lindblom (also a West Seattleite) was there with me and the SDOT/project guys long after the TV people packed up, and one of his lines of questioning is reflected toward the end of his story:
      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014938645_viaduct03m.html
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      –the fact that this major part of the viaduct rebuild is starting before the 1st Avenue South ramp to the Spokane Street Viaduct/West Seattle Bridge is done (by year’s end, SDOT has said), and there was hope at some point (I haven’t gone back through the archives yet) that the latter would have been finished before the former kicked in. We have the 4th Avenue offramp now, but are still short on ways to get back to the bridge w/o 99 …

  • Alex May 2, 2011 (10:07 pm)

    I understand that this is not the tunnel project (obviously, this is happening now and the tunnel probably won’t even happen). Nevertheless, nobody can deny that seeing SR-99 turn into a 2-lane road is, in fact, a glimpse of our future. A grim, grim future, where two uninterrupted lanes each direction are a best case scenario, and a surface street alternative trying to handle freeway-intensity traffic is a realistic possibility. Does anyone really believe I-5, and subsequently the west Seattle bridge, can handle this? Any way you look at it, traffic is getting a lot worse, and this is the first step.

  • CeeBee May 2, 2011 (10:41 pm)

    A question please: Will SDOT (or whomever) had additional tow trucks stationed at least at the start of this new closure? I rememeber when the Viaduct was down to two lanes for some long term construction a couple of years ago and one stalled vehicle would cause a total hairball.

  • dsa May 3, 2011 (2:01 am)

    This is not going to work out so well in the south bound PM peak direction.

  • reformed smoker May 3, 2011 (4:50 am)

    Dave, you sound awfully frustrated.
    Lighten up a bit.

  • Renter Westseattle May 3, 2011 (8:08 am)

    I think it’s a shame that SDOT is going to turn West Seattle into a place where you can’t live if you work outside of that neighborhood. As a renter, I am now looking to move elsewhere, and I wonder what this will do to the real estate market??

    • WSB May 3, 2011 (8:19 am)

      This is a state project, not a city project, since 99 is a state highway, not a city roadway.

  • cherylc May 3, 2011 (8:54 am)

    I’m with Joan (first commenter). I don’t understand what they are doing. I looked at the WSDOT site and it’s not clear to me there either. As I understand it, they are building a replacement part of the viaduct. It attaches to the old viaduct. If there is a waterfront tunnel and the old viaduct is torn down the new section will lead to the waterfront tunnel. Am I right so far, does anyone know? What happens if the tunnel is up the hill at 5th or 6th?

    • WSB May 3, 2011 (9:08 am)

      Here’s what they are doing. WSDOT has been planning for years to tear down and replace the southern mile or so of the viaduct. The plan has long been in place. It is designed so that it will connect to the central waterfront section regardless of whether it is a tunnel, a surface street, a new elevated structure, retrofitting the old one, whatever. I don’t know what you mean about if it’s “up the hill” – there is no “up the hill” option. The central waterfront section will start at the end of the southern replacement – around King Street (which is why it’s now dubbed Holgate to King St.) – regardless of what it is. Does that help? Here is the “what the end result of the south end project will be” page if you didn’t find that:
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      http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/SR99/HolgateToKing/EndResultMap.htm
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      – TR

  • Scott May 3, 2011 (9:37 am)

    So while Metro and WSDOT plan for losses in capacity, our esteemed Mayor McBike has done nothing to help solve the issues except throw more lawsuits on the projects. West Seattle has been forgotten by the City. Remember that come election time.

  • redblack May 3, 2011 (10:01 am)

    cheryl: what WSB said. only the southern half of the viaduct is coming down. its replacement will cross over atlantic street with a new overpass, then take 99 to surface level in the area of the stadiums.
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    the state is remaking this part of 99 to connect to whatever replaces the northern central waterfront half of the viaduct. it will also stop the BNSF tracks from cutting the area in half whenever there’s a train during rush hour.
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    if the central waterfront replacement is a deep-bore tunnel, the route is already planned (mostly, depending on the outcome of the environmental impact statement being conducted now). the DBT entrance would be at just east of alaskan way and king street, then proceed north/northeast under pike place market, under belltown around 3rd avenue, and exit at 6th and thomas between south lake union and lower queen anne.
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    capiche?
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    here’s the state’s flash-animated page, showing 5 different angles and a 3-year time line of just this southern replacement of 99:
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    http://wsdot.wa.gov/projects/viaduct/simulations/

  • redblack May 3, 2011 (10:04 am)

    scott: mcginn has nothing to do with this part of gridlock. there’s nothing he can do. this is a state project, and as TR pointed out, it’s been in the works for almost a decade.
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    pillory mcginn on other issues if you want, but blaming him for this is misguided.
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    and, uh, what lawsuit has mcginn filed?

  • redblack May 3, 2011 (10:16 am)

    i want to attend this june comment meeting. not blaming anyone but myself, but i found out about the previous meetings too late to plan on attending.
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    the big, glaring question that needs to be asked is
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    “why won’t the king street exit from 99 open until after holgate-to-king is complete and the central waterfront construction begins?”
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    when the new southern half is finished and open, once you’re on 99, the next exit after the west seattle bridge is seneca street. and access to the still-standing central waterfront viaduct will be the one-lane ramps that they just built by qwest field.
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    there should be a “relief valve” at king street first.

  • Elikapeka May 3, 2011 (10:36 am)

    It doesn’t seem they’ve coordinated this very well. To start this before they have other entries to the Bridge open and while all of SODO is a construction zone is nuts. There’s just no good alternative route. I guess we can all drive to Beacon Hill to access the West Seattle Bridge or head all the way south and come home via the First Ave bridge to get home That’ll sure save on emissions. Sheesh.

  • SaraJ May 3, 2011 (12:14 pm)

    I am moving this summer, no doubt about it. I work south so there’s no point in me fighting the bridge just to get to I-5 south.

    @john: No one is impressed or believes you. 15 minutes to downtown from White Center? No way. I live on Admiral and it takes me 15 minutes only at night with no traffic. Just wait until it’s 2 lanes, 35 mph, and you can’t even get on the bridge during most hours M-F. And spending $30-40 on gas this YEAR? What are you, a crazy homebody that never leaves his house? Not impressed.

    I agree with a previous comment that we need to get the Spokane street on-ramp from 1st Ave. S to the bridge up and working ASAP. Many people who work by the stadiums can use this option instead of I-5 S or 99-S.

  • HelenA May 3, 2011 (7:43 pm)

    Some time ago, I was foolish enough to actually try to go to work downtown with one northbound 99 lane closed. The bus took over an hour from Morgan Junction to Alaska/Fauntleroy. In other words, we hadn’t even made it to the bridge. Myself and many other people eventually got off the bus and walked back home or down to the water taxi. It doesn’t seem to be an exaggeration to say that biking is the only option.
    This doesn’t just affect WS residents because I-5 backs up nicely as well (as you all know I am sure).
    I have to question the sanity of WSDOT traffic planners to commit this city to a 2-lane 99 situation for the foreseeable future.

  • redblack May 4, 2011 (9:00 pm)

    sara j: how far south? is west marginal an option? if you’re going to south park, tukwila, southcenter, or beyond, it’s actually way faster than taking the spokane street viaduct to I-5.

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