West Seattle snow/ice: Tuesday morning-early afternoon updates

**The newest information is now in the afternoon/evening commute update here – thanks!**

(Latest updates/pix at end of story; also note NEWER news is BELOW this story on the home page. Metro info here. NO Water Taxi, NO trash/recycling, Seattle Public Library branches closing 5 pm, Community Centers closing 4 pm)

(Refresh for latest pic from WS Bridge camera, looking eastbound, and Junction cam, more on the WSB Traffic cams page)
6:31 AM: Time to start talking about the roads and the schools heading into the main morning-commute hours. Have just added more local schools to our full list of school changes/closures. Been on the road already today? Let us know what you found. Meantime, Metro already has canceled some routes in its system and renews its request this morning to stay home if you possibly can – check here for your route’s status. No West Seattle Water Taxi today. Sound Transit says the 560 is on reduced service. Seattle City Light still has about 400 people out in six pockets around the north half of the peninsula.

7:06 AM UPDATE: Seattle Public Library branches will open at 1 pm today.

7:21 AM UPDATE: From Trevor in comments, regarding The Bridge and The Viaduct: “At 6:30 am, the West Seattle bridge eastbound part of my commute was the easiest! 99 northbound ok but need to go slow… lots of abandoned cars and slush/ice but not too bad.” SDOT is ***not*** reporting any major closures as of right now. Wondering about the forecast? “The snow has ended,” says the new Winter Weather Advisory issued by the National Weather Service a couple hours ago (in effect until noon), but the temperature is not expected to get above freezing today or tomorrow, so icy roads will be a problem for a few days.

7:36 AM UPDATE: Firsthand report on venturing gingerly outside the house: Compact snow and ice is the word for the walkway and sidewalk, as well as for the two-arterial intersection near WSB HQ (Thistle/California). Saw a couple cars go by, doing OK as long as they went slow-and-steady. The breeze isn’t strong but it truly is bitterly cold. The birds are protesting the snow-covered bird bath, so if you go out later – safely – remember them (we’ll be attending to ours). This is the view looking north on California from Thistle:

Cancellation note from comments: No Rotary Club of West Seattle meeting today. Meantime, we’re trying to find out what’s up with trash collecting (many West Seattleites – including us – have Tuesday pickup). Reminder that county courts are closed today – Amy makes note of that (part of the King County Executive’s “stay home if you’re not absolutely essential” entreaty early today).

7:48 AM UPDATE: A new city update’s in – the Emergency Ops Center reopened at 5 am – but it doesn’t include Seattle Public Utilities, so far. Here’s the word on roads etc:

SDOT night shift crews are operating 15 plow and spreader trucks this morning that are loaded with granular salt (rock salt) for treating all areas that have accumulations of ice or packed snow. SDOT is making progress on Condition Level 1 corridors with crews focusing on trouble spots such as elevated structures and hills. SDOT is also making progress on Condition Level 2 corridors focusing on transit routes and hills. …

SDOT will increase snow response crews for this morning’s commute and transition to the day shift at 8:00 a.m. with 22 plow/spreader trucks being dispatched to continue improving conditions on Condition Level 1 and 2 snow routes. SDOT will focus to open closed streets and assist King County Metro recover stalled buses.

8:01 AM UPDATE: And it’s official: Trash and other solid-waste pickup for today is POSTPONED, according to Seattle Public Utilities, which says if you were supposed to have pickup today, “set out double (your) normal amount … at no additional charge” NEXT Tuesday. (Here’s the full text of their announcement.)

8:15 AM UPDATE: From Jessica, who took the photo “looking north on 35th ave sw and Roxbury. Saw a chained articulated #56 going round the Roxbury corner onto 35th. Sheets of ice though”:

Road condition reports/photos very much appreciated (editor@westseattleblog.com) – especially if you’re on an arterial. (And the comment section is already full of great updates this morning.) Thanks!

8:37 AM UPDATE: This coverage will stay atop the home page – which means NEWER, NON-SNOW NEWS is published BENEATH it for now. If you can get around today, please note the newest story we’ve added – White Center Food Bank needs volunteer help today.

8:54 AM UPDATE: Mayor McGinn was just interviewed on KING 5. He said they’ll be assessing the response – what went wrong, what went right – when the weather problems are over. He declined to grade the response (you’ll recall that’s where his predecessor went wrong in December ’08). He says it seemed like everything was going OK till “mid-afternoon” yesterday. Practical info: He says abandoned cars will NOT be towed or ticketed – unless they are blocking roads. He also mentioned that he’s aware many West Seattleites had a very long commute home. (Asked how he got home, he said he was picked up and driven home via Ballard.)

9:35 AM UPDATE: State Transportation Secretary Paula Hammond is starting a KIRO Radio (97.3) interview right now – I-5, where so many were marooned, falls under her wing, so we’ll be listening. In West Seattle, Danny Gawlowski from the Seattle Times (WSB partner) is out and about today – he just tweeted this photo of SW Alaska with the closure sign (always an ice-prone hill) west of The Junction):

A WSB’er who just e-mailed about the 8:45 am commute downtown said The Bridge and The Viaduct were smooth going. Still bus problems reported here and there (remember to check the Metro site AND sign up for their e-mail/text alerts):

Paul spotted that bus, apparently abandoned, at California/Othello in lower Gatewood this morning.

10:22 AM UPDATE: A WSB team member is traveling California by bus checking on things (the 22 “snow shuttle” from here). The bus shown above is still stuck, he reports, with traffic slowly getting around it. In the other direction, at Westwood Village, Michelle took this photo:

She reports, “Thought people may want to know that the Barnes and Noble, Bed Bath and Beyond, and 24 Hr Fitness are all open and it is quiet and icy at Westwood Village. Some of the small shops are closed.” (We’ll be checking on Junction/Admiral – business owners are also welcome to e-mail us again today with news of their status.)

10:53 AM UPDATE: In The Junction, we’re finding business owners, clearing off their walkways and otherwise bustling (two days till Thanksgiving!). Above, that’s Funky Jane’s owner Angela with her kids – and a newly purchased snow shovel. Next, Scott from the Electric Train Store, working on his walkway:

Latest weather-related cancellation: Joe McDermott‘s swearing-in as a County Councilmember has been postponed. (The Elections Department was scheduled to finalize the Nov. 2 results today but that’s been put off.)

11:47 AM UPDATE: Also postponed: The Sofia Goff (Cafe Revo) fundraiser set for today is rescheduled for Saturday. Re: open businesses – West Seattle Cellars says they’re open till 7 tonight and 11-7 tomorrow; Twilight Artist Collective in The Junction will be opening a bit later as its proprietors slog their way in to work; Mountain to Sound Outfitters (WSB sponsor) is open and having that sale mentioned last night – gear to keep you warm. And we have more bus trouble. You might have heard earlier about the buses stuck at 44th/Glenn/Oregon on the northwest edge of The Junction – still there, says Katie; here’s one:

Galena spotted this one a short time ago in the 3000 block of SW Avalon Way:

And our roving reporter saw this one on SW Admiral Way around 38th:

Just heard a live TV interview with a Metro spokesperson who says dozens of buses are still stuck in various spots around the county. And to soften the tales of trouble – this was just shared via the WSB inbox – 2 1/2 year-old Violet made “Mrs. Snowman”:

12:10 PM UPDATE: A few more business notes – Allstar Fitness may close early (3-ish); 8 Limbs Yoga canceled all classes.

1:28 PM UPDATE: Preps for the afternoon/evening commute are well under way. Our roving reporter has seen multiple SDOT trucks on West Seattle arterials. And WSDOT has just sent an update, including this paragraph:

“We have all available trucks and crew members out, working day and night,” said Chris Christopher, Maintenance Director for Washington State Department of Transportation (WSDOT). “In Western Washington alone, we have 250 trucks and 300 crew members working 12-hour shifts. But with temperatures still below freezing drivers may see ice on the roads for at least another day.”

1:44 PM UPDATE: Seattle Public Library branches are closing at 5 pm – thanks to Wally for the tip. Meantime, we’ve published several new stories you’ll find beneath this one on the home page (until we “unstick” this when we start afternoon/evening coverage in the next half-hour or so – then it’ll fall back into reverse-chronological order) – newest, a look back at the Great Monday Night Walk Home.

1:56 PM: Ron Angeles in the city’s Delridge Neighborhood Service Center has just shared the city’s latest roundup. Note, we have EXCERPTED the information of most relevance to West Seattle and cut out the rest. This was compiled by the city’s Emergency Operations Center, which is apparently closing momentarily and will reopen for tomorrow’s morning commute:

SDOT had crews on the streets plowing and de-icing throughout the night. Approximately 70% of Level 1 and 2 streets have 2 lanes open. Thirty-nine street segments are currently closed due to snow and black ice.

Transit impacts continue from yesterday. Metro buses are chained up and operating on snow routes. Fourteen bus routes have been cancelled (see list below). Metro is responding to 119 buses that are currently stranded. Access para-transit vans are operating on life-sustaining trips (e.g. dialysis patients) only.

All transportation agencies encouraged people to stay off the roads if possible today.
Morning commute traffic was light.

Road Closures:

• Olson Pl SW / SW Roxbury to 1 Ave S
• SW Charlestown St / 46th Ave SW to 47 Ave SW
• Highland Park Way SW / W Marginal Way to SW Holden St

Canceled Metro Bus Routes:
2 Express, 7 Express, 38, 45, 51, 53, 76, 77, 79, 110, 210, 219, 266 and 310.

Parks Facilities and Programs
All community centers will close at 4 pm today.
All pools are closed.
All athletic fields are closed.
All evening recreational programs are canceled.
The Carkeek Park learning center is closed.

Twenty SDOT crews are continuing road clearing activities. This morning SDOT crews implemented the Pedestrian Response plan, which includes de-icing pedestrian landings and city-owned stair wells.

3:10 PM NOTE: Please note that we have now launched the afternoon/evening commute coverage – go here – thank you in advance for sharing road reports etc. there.

205 Replies to "West Seattle snow/ice: Tuesday morning-early afternoon updates"

  • clifton November 23, 2010 (6:38 am)

    Metro Rt 37 went by headed into town about 15 mins late … but was running

  • CitizenR November 23, 2010 (6:41 am)

    WSB you are the best!!!! You work so hard you should get a super duper award!!!! Thanks, Thanks

    THANKS!!

  • Jack Loblaw November 23, 2010 (6:44 am)

    Westlake ave in South Lake Union by Uptown Espresso ( open ) is passable. I saw the Street Car running and a couple of buses. The side streets are sheets of ice.

  • LyndaB November 23, 2010 (6:44 am)

    haven’t left yet but saw the 21 fly by on 35th. both directions. icy patches can be seen on side roads at juneau and 35th but cars/trucks are going a little too fast for me…and i’m inside!

  • Traci J November 23, 2010 (6:45 am)

    Anyone been down Admiral yet? Had to abandon ship yesterday and am wondering if my poor little Passat is being banged up by later cars.

  • coffee November 23, 2010 (6:47 am)

    checking on east bound roxbury between 26th ave sw (safeway) and White Center. How is it?

  • Craig November 23, 2010 (6:48 am)

    Will think twice about going out today. Left W Seattle around noon yesterday for a short meeting in Georgetown then decided to make a “quick” trip up to REI for the winter sale. What a mistake! I didn’t make it home until 8 pm. Hey, but I did find some good Teriyaki near Michigan as I waited for the 1st Ave bridge to clear. Cheers!

  • littlebrowndog November 23, 2010 (6:50 am)

    KIRO news has a reporter who just drove both east and west on the bridge and reported good conditions. He is now turning around and coming back over here to look at the neighborhood streets in WS as he is recalling all the issues on our streets and hills in the past.

  • littlebrowndog November 23, 2010 (6:51 am)

    I should say it is KIRO tv, not radio. Don’t know what is going on there for reporting.

  • Karen November 23, 2010 (6:53 am)

    Has anyone seen a 56 bus this morning?

  • Sara November 23, 2010 (7:08 am)

    Anyone been on 35th between Barton and Alaska?

  • Jeffrey nystrom November 23, 2010 (7:08 am)

    Went down the west Seattle bridge at 5am. It was bare and wet. I-5 from the bridge to Seatac was snow/Ice covered but drivable. Lots of abandoned vehicles. Went approx 30 mph the whole way.

  • Trevor November 23, 2010 (7:11 am)

    At 6:30am, the West Seattle bridge eastbound part of my commute was the easiest! 99 northbound ok but need to go slow… lots of abandoned cars and slush/ice but not too bad. One problem I had was the winsdshield washer fluid froze and I couldn’t clean the road debris and grime off the windshield from passing cars so it was tough to see clearly. Ballard is an ice skating rink but at least it’s flat. I have AWD so don’t take your Fiat.

  • coffee November 23, 2010 (7:11 am)

    King 5 says King County Libraries are closed today, so not to be confused with Seattle City Libraries….

  • eileen November 23, 2010 (7:18 am)

    Any news on transportation from the airport? I saw the ST site just says “reduced frequency” for the 560 route, but not much else. SEATAC site says currently no delays on arrivals, but it is early yet. I have two people arriving (hopefully) at the airport today – any reports on ambaum or 509? Thanks

  • Ryan November 23, 2010 (7:20 am)

    Any word on how Admiral is looking this Tuesday?

  • Sue November 23, 2010 (7:27 am)

    Cars are driving down Fauntleroy at “normal” speeds, headed towards the bridge, so I don’t know if it’s easy to drive, or they’re just stupid. Based on the beeping horns a moment ago, I’m voting for stupid. :) Fauntleroy (at Dawson) is snow covered and I’ve seen no 54X or Vashon buses in the last half hour.
    .
    Edited to add: a bus just went towards the bridge at 7:29, but I don’t know which one as it didn’t stop (no one at the stop).

  • Ophelia November 23, 2010 (7:28 am)

    I saw a de-icing truck pass through Fauntleroy at about 7:15 am, heading towards Lincoln Park.

  • Michelle November 23, 2010 (7:29 am)

    Anyone know if Highland Park or Roxbury/myers Way are open?

  • Scooterista November 23, 2010 (7:31 am)

    If indeed we are in for a more difficult winter than usual weather-wise, I urge folks to adopt the habit of preparing to travel in snowstorm conditions by making sure they have food and water with them, taking warm clothing (including hat, scarf, gloves and boots), and having a full tank of gas if they are driving. By all accounts, yesterday’s weather was much more extreme than anyone expected and severe cold weather can be deadly if one is caught in it unprepared.

  • uponahill November 23, 2010 (7:31 am)

    Does anyone know what was backing up 1st Ave last night? Was it the bridge over the Duwamish or the hill on 509?

    Craziness…that’s all I can say!

  • lohoho November 23, 2010 (7:34 am)

    Anyone been on Cap/First Hill yet. My husband has an doc appointment by Harborview today. Drive safe everyone.

  • Amy Lee Derenthal November 23, 2010 (7:34 am)

    Hey West Seattle Rotarians– our noon meeting at Saltys is cancelled today. Happy Thanksgiving!

  • ann November 23, 2010 (7:35 am)

    any word/update on the hill leading up to pigeon point?

  • Carole November 23, 2010 (7:37 am)

    King County Superior Court (both Seattle and Kent) closed November 23.

  • gtothen November 23, 2010 (7:39 am)

    Am wondering too about Delridge – from Home Depot to the bridge – ok to drive?

  • Valerie November 23, 2010 (7:42 am)

    @uponahill, I was on a 120 last night trying to get south on 1st Ave S, and when we finally got to the bridge ramp, there were at least three semis stopped dead in the middle of the ramp as well as one or two other vehicles – can’t say that’s all there was, but that’s what I saw.

  • Joan November 23, 2010 (7:43 am)

    Last night it was stuck vehicles on 1st Ave S bridge causing the backup. At least around 6:30pm when I finally crept through there. I exited at Myers Way but heard 509 south of there was also blocked with stuck vehicles.

  • norgie November 23, 2010 (7:48 am)

    spent night downtown, took 1st ave south to lower bridge: all clear and smooth sailing. admiral uphill is fine, people getting downhill. top of admiral sheet of ice but passable.

  • Sue November 23, 2010 (7:51 am)

    uponahill, from what I heard (while stuck on the bus), the low-level spokane bridge was closed due to a jack-knifed semi and possibly a bus accident, and everyone diverted down to the 1st Ave. S. bridge to West Marginal way, but that bridge was down to 1 lane due to several trucks that had spun out.

  • dt November 23, 2010 (7:53 am)

    Kiro tv just had their guys at 44th and oregon, 2 metro buses slid out/stuck there

  • SD November 23, 2010 (7:56 am)

    Need some practical advice please. I got stuck on Edmunds between 41st and 42nd going up the hill behind Safeway last night and had to leave my car–was trying to get around stuck cars on Alaska and thought I could make it up the hill since I have 4WD but no such luck. Couldn’t go up, couldn’t back down. Tried to call AAA to give me a tow but of course they were too overwhelmed last night. Walked home to the Morgan Junction area–thankfully not as far as many had to walk!

    AAA is not able to help today with a tow since the car is on an icy hill. If anyone has any ideas besides just leaving it until the road melts, I would be very appreciative. It is on one side of the road but since Edmunds doesn’t have a parking lane, it’s not completely out of the traffic flow (although hopefully not many people are trying that hill). Should I report it to the SPD non-emergency number? I want to be responsible but am just not sure what to do.

    And yes, I feel like an idiot for having tried the hill–I was trying to get to the 7 11 to get some food because I knew the Thriftway had closed early (I’d been stuck in traffic for hours coming back from downtown). Kicking myself!

    If anyone is walking in the area and can report on whether that hill has been plowed/de-iced (doubtful since it’s not an arterial), that would be great. Thanks.

  • Jen November 23, 2010 (7:56 am)

    Anyone hear if Highland Pk Way is open?

    • WSB November 23, 2010 (7:58 am)

      From FB: “FYI for the commuters – West Marginal was a icy but totally managable at 7:15 AM. Road is pretty much clear under the bridge. Saw at least 10 cars parked on the 509 offramp to White Center/Myers Way, I wouldn’t suggest trying that route. Alki to South Park was a quick 30 minutes”

  • LyndaB November 23, 2010 (8:01 am)

    approx 6:45am, going from 35th Ave to WSB to I-5 to 520 to UW… no problems going. road conditions looked good. would have been on here sooner to report. sorry! also, if you have appts here at the medical center, the front driveway and sidewalks are maintained. :)

    btw, no classes at all UW campuses.

  • ambc November 23, 2010 (8:01 am)

    @Jen – at 11:30pm last night, road closed sign was at the top of the hill, nothing at the bottom. Cars were moving along–precariously. Lots of abandoned cars heading uphill. Can’t imagine it’s any better this morning.

    • WSB November 23, 2010 (8:03 am)

      FYI if you see comments before the main story, where I have just added this info: NO TRASH (etc.) PICKUP TODAY. Put out extra NEXT Tuesday. – TR

  • miws November 23, 2010 (8:10 am)

    California in the Thriftway block has not been plowed yet.

    .

    A southbound (to White Center) 22 just went by at 8:09 a.m. Articulated hybrid. Hope it makes it up Gatewood Hill!

    .

    Mike

  • GenHillOne November 23, 2010 (8:15 am)

    So as dt (and KIRO apparently) reports, 44th & Oregon is not a good hill. NONE of the hills in the area are good. Someone, nothing to indicate it’s official, took it upon themselves to criss-cross some of the streets with caution tape. Point taken, but again, none of the hills are good and you cannot take it upon yourself to choose which streets to “close.” There are people who live on the streets or on adjacent allies that had/have to go through your tape. Some other drivers have seen the tape, gone on, and perhaps unknowingly taken a more treacherous route. It also sets up a false sense of security with the kids. The street is not actually closed and kids were bouncing around in the middle of a blind spot should a car have come over the top of a hill.

  • lina rose November 23, 2010 (8:15 am)

    Thanks lyndab for the update on the commute from WS to UW/montlake. I an trying to decide whether or not to head up to my office at magnuson and I imagine the trickiest parts of my commute are probably right outside my own door.

    thanks everyone for your updates- they really help!!

    safe travels today and enjoy the sunshine!

  • Jacob November 23, 2010 (8:15 am)

    @ SD – I live on the Edmunds hill and if your vehicle is that Rav 4 that’s on the hill, it’s still there. As for the Edmunds hill, it remains covered with snow and nice. Like with the 2008 storm, the Edmunds incline was shut down because of the snow and ice and it’ll probably be a while before it gets cleared.

    It’s amazing, two years to plan for this and once again, pretty much everything gets shut down. Last night I was on a 54 bus on the snow route of 1st Avenue. After at best moving to a crawl for about two hours, my mother and I and a few of co-workers that live in West Seattle ditched the bus and made the hike over to West Seattle like so many others did last night.

  • angelescrest November 23, 2010 (8:15 am)

    Vashon Schools closed.
    Just got the email.

  • Scott of the Antartic November 23, 2010 (8:17 am)

    Hey SD, don’t beat yourself up. What’s done is done. If the street is too slick for AAA to get a truck to you, it’s unlikely SPD will find someone to tow you to impound either. You might try going out there later this morning to see if things have cleared out enough to let you gently back down the hill to 40th.

    But that said, I would like to ask a rhetorical question (and I’m not beating on SD here). Would this have been so bad if we were a little smarter about inclement weather driving? We had at least 72 hours notice that this was a probability, and the weather people have been warning that this winter might be a doozy. How many of us hit the road with cars that had tires that weren’t even M+S rated, or didn’t have decent tread? How many of us failed to stock up on stuff we needed, so we wouldn’t have to go out on unnecessary trips? How many of us can carpool but don’t (more carpools=less cars on road=less congestion=less potential problems in poor weather). Don’t go out in a car that can’t handle the conditions. In a worst case scenario, your vehicle will become an impediment to the vehicles that can move, and also prevent assets that can help (salt trucks, etc.) from getting where they’re needed.

    This is just the first round. There will be more of this; we can’t control it. What we CAN do is be better prepared, and not be forced into taking risks that don’t pan out, as our friend and neighbor SD did.

  • Cclarue November 23, 2010 (8:19 am)

    Roxbury has been sanded BUT when you get to the ramp there are so many abandoned cars you can just pass thru slowwwly. Be careful out there !!I couldn’t convince the bf to stay put, he said georgetown is full of abandoned cars left however wherever they landed.

  • Darren November 23, 2010 (8:19 am)

    Sure am glad I just went and put the garbage cans out in the cold, just to have to go out and bring em back in. lol

  • datamuse November 23, 2010 (8:20 am)

    Highland Park Way is closed as of 8:20 am. We are about to try Meyers.

  • xyz November 23, 2010 (8:21 am)

    Just got to work in South Park from Westwood, took Delridge to West Marginal (the long and flat route), took about 40 minutes. Both Delridge and West Marginal had compact snow and ice, Delridge was sanded but West Marginal is not. If you drive carefully it’s not a problem. Went by the bottom of Highland Park Drive, no closure signs at the bottom, but it was all compact snow and ice. Thanks to the Bird on a Wire for my Latte, made the drive more enjoyable.

  • bt November 23, 2010 (8:22 am)

    Does anybody have a report on how easy it is to get over the low bridge westbound and head westbound up Avalon to 35th ?

  • Cclarue November 23, 2010 (8:22 am)

    Also the 128 went by on 16th heading north going pretty fast.

  • Jacob November 23, 2010 (8:23 am)

    @SD – I live on the Edmunds incline and if that Rav 4 is your vehicle then I can see it from my living room. It’s still there and as for the incline, it’s still covered in ice and snow and will be for the next few days. Much like the 2008 storm, it wasn’t cleared until a couple of days into the storm. Sorry I can’t offer anymore advice as to who to call to get it moved, but for what it’s worth, I can give updates to see if there’s any progress on clearing the incline. Best of luck.

  • datamuse November 23, 2010 (8:25 am)

    Update: Meyers/Roxbury is open and sanded. Take it easy and you’ll be fine.

  • Jacob November 23, 2010 (8:25 am)

    Oops, sorry for the double-comment; wasn’t sure if my original comment went through.

  • uponahill November 23, 2010 (8:31 am)

    SD— Get some chains! They are amazing. I was pulling stuck 4wds with my 2wd pickup. Chains rock!

  • Calista November 23, 2010 (8:36 am)

    Anyone have information on the conditions on Beach Drive/Harbor to the WS freeway? Thanks!

  • datamuse November 23, 2010 (8:37 am)

    Also, if anyone is trying to get to Sea-Tac this morning, 509 and 518 are open and sanded. Even saw bare, dry pavement in places.

  • SD November 23, 2010 (8:44 am)

    Thank you @Jacob. Yep that’s my car. Thanks for keeping an eye out.

    @uponahill, yep chains would have been good! There’s no way I can put them on now on that hill though.

  • Katie November 23, 2010 (8:45 am)

    Anyone know how 35th is from Alaska to Barton?

    • WSB November 23, 2010 (8:48 am)

      Katie – see what I just posted from a commuter who e-mailed.

  • Jacob November 23, 2010 (8:49 am)

    SD – No problem. Haven’t seen any cars try their luck and make it up the hill nor seen any coming down. Already told my boss no way I’m going into work; funny she lives just off of Delridge and was able to get into Downtown via 120 and yet I haven’t seen a 54 or 55 roll down Alaska. Hope you get some luck in getting your car out.

  • rw November 23, 2010 (8:50 am)

    We were stuck for four hours on Alaskan Way last night, and we only got from Colman Dock to Lander before bailing and heading back into town and staying at the Waterfront Marriott. Our initial thought was to take the water taxi and walk home from there. I assume it is running. But based on these reports I think I should be able to make it across either the lower or upper bridges and up Admiral Way to California. Does anyone have advice on these options (in addition to the obvious drive carefully and with a slow, controlled, steady pace.

  • Denise November 23, 2010 (8:52 am)

    Hi SD

    I saw your attempts to get up the hill yesterday and walked over to bartell drugs to buy you a bag of de-icer, thinking that might help you. By the time I walked back you were gone. I did notice that your emergency flashers are no longer on. I wonder if this means your battery is dead? Anyway your car is still there and nobody has hit it – likely because few are attempting that hill.

  • stuckdowntown November 23, 2010 (8:54 am)

    Anyone know of the conditions westbound on Admiral? Toward Alki? I fear I may not be able to get down the hill….

  • lashanna November 23, 2010 (8:56 am)

    quick drive from south park down w. marginal made it to work just fine- slow careful drive.

  • Jacob November 23, 2010 (8:58 am)

    @ rw – King County Water Taxi has been suspended since last night because of the wind on the water. When walking across the low bridge last night it was a single-file parking lot with every so often seeing a car or truck struggling big time to cross it. Looking at the traffic cams of the two bridges, they look somewhat better compared to last night. Good luck.

  • SD November 23, 2010 (9:03 am)

    Wow, @Denise, thank you–that was really nice of you, I’m sorry for your wasted effort but really appreciate the gesture. I tried to call AAA from the car but when I couldn’t reach them, I wasn’t sure what to do other than head home. Yes, I figured the battery would be dead by now. Glad to hear no one has hit it! Thanks again.

  • 34th and Thistle November 23, 2010 (9:08 am)

    @SD,

    The “diamond quick fit” or similar chains that you can get at Les Schwab (if they’re not sold out) can be put on a stationary car, hill or no hill.

    If you’re stuck against a drift or a curb, you could also get a chain on the outside wheel, back up a few feet, then get your other one on.

    Not saying it’s not a project, but I’ve done it at night on Stevens Pass.

  • rw November 23, 2010 (9:09 am)

    Thanks Jacob. If you were one of the hardy souls walking down Alaskan Way any time before 8:00, then you would have walked by our car. One option I considered was parking in one of the Port employee lots along Alaskan and joining the trek. One fellow here at the Marriott was on the water taxi last night, only to have the taxi turn around before landing in West Seattle due to difficult conditions.

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (9:09 am)

    Barton (by Westwood Village) looks almost exactly like it did in 2008. Unplowed, un-salted, and many spots have a pretty good sheet of ice. The WWV parking lot is a complete ghost town, which is probably good because much of it is glare ice (including the sidewalks). Starbucks IS open, however. (Tip well!). :-)

  • Denise November 23, 2010 (9:09 am)

    Just caught the 23 at 16th ave sw and sw Barton st. Seems to be operating on schedule with the snow reroute. Haven’t seen any other buses on Delridge though.

  • gr November 23, 2010 (9:11 am)

    This shows what could happen in terms of plowing in WS – http://seattle.gov/transportation/docs/2010WinterWeatherMap.pdf

  • on board November 23, 2010 (9:13 am)

    any reports on lower Spokane?

  • 34th and Thistle November 23, 2010 (9:15 am)

    By the way, everyone: say it with me, studless snow tires. I have Bridgestone Blizzaks, I hear Nokian Hakkapeliitta’s are good also, and there are other brands.

    Studless snow tires are so much better and safer than studs, given the mix of bare, wet, snow and ice that we get around here. Just wish my old VW with the Blizzaks was more reliable (and thus not stuck at Hans VW right now).

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (9:15 am)

    Curiously, one thing our city government seems to do a lot of are analyses of “what went wrong” when big events happen. We can’t expect them to actually get it right, but surely we can expect a thoughtful assessment of their ineptitude. We got the same speech in 2008 regarding the storm response. I’m not really interested in another study of the poor performance–just get it right. I swear, this city seems to have such a HUGE leadership problem on all manner of subjects and has so for many years; a snow event like this needn’t be a crisis, but it is.

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (9:19 am)

    So, according to the city’s plowing map 35th should have both lanes bare and wet (nope), and Barton should have at least one lane bare and wet (nope).

  • Cat Woman November 23, 2010 (9:19 am)

    One of my friends had this as their status today on FB
    “Thought for the Day: Whatever life brings you in the way of misfortune, disappointment, or woe; whatever accidents befall you; whatever awaits of horror and abomination, remember always that it can only be made worse by snow; rotten, stinking snow”

  • Karin November 23, 2010 (9:20 am)

    I took the bus (route 54) from 35th and Avalon to downtown this morning. It took a little longer than usual, but it was okay. Avalon was very icy/slushy. The bus took the low bridge, and it seemed fairly clear.

  • Jacob November 23, 2010 (9:24 am)

    Could it be that another snow and ice storm costs a Mayor his office? Anyone know what he’s had to say, if anything about last night? Oh wait, this is Seattle. Gotta wait for the study on “what went wrong” like what bridge to somewhere said.

    • WSB November 23, 2010 (9:26 am)

      Jacob – please see the story, I have added a synopsis of what he said during one of the multiple media interviews he’s done this morning – TR

  • HalynB November 23, 2010 (9:29 am)

    I commute from WS to Sand Point, and despite all the warning we had about this weather coming, I didn’t see a single plow or sand truck in either of those locations, both of which have major commute routes and a lot of hills. My husband had a five hour commute last night and as I stood at the window watching for him til midnight, I didn’t see a single sand or de-icing truck. It’s 2008 all over again. It’s absolutely ridiculous that a few inches of snow can shut down a city. I know our hills make us vulnerable to snow difficulties, but to have every major road in the area closed by snow is beyond stupid. Lots of urban areas get snow and continue to function. Maybe if Seattleites stopped electing their officials based on who rides a bike to work or supports plastic bag bans, we’d actually get some people with leadership or crisis management skills in office. Seriously, as much as I love this city, as soon as my kids graduate, I’m moving someplace where people have more sense and government can actually govern. Infrastructure maintenance is the most important part of a leader’s job, and once again, Seattle has failed on an EPIC scale.

  • Jacob November 23, 2010 (9:30 am)

    @ WSB – thanks for that. Definitely will be interesting what he has to say.

  • laeti November 23, 2010 (9:33 am)

    Does anyone know a trick when water pipes froze? No more water in our alki home :(

  • ZS November 23, 2010 (9:33 am)

    I don’t blame our local governments for the snow, I do blame them for the state of our city the day after yesterday’s storm. They had two years to figure it out and apparently all that talk amounted to nothing.

    I grew up in New Jersey – they did not work miracles there (they would also advise us to stay home during these types of storms) but the day after commerce would resume.

    Gather up all our leaders, fly them to Chicago and New York and have them spend the entire winter with those departments of transportation. Have them take a lot of notes, ride in plows, salt trucks, work on planning maps, etc. Then MAYBE then can apply a fraction of what they learned back here in Seattle.

    I bet Miami could respond better…

  • Magpie November 23, 2010 (9:37 am)

    waited for the 55 around 7, a 57 was going the other way with a downtown sign, we flagged her down and she stopped and picked us up, went down Admirall way, absolutely no problem (only about 8 people on the bus). My husband works in Pioneer square, took high bridge and had no problem, either. Tonight should be easier.

  • Scott of the Antartic November 23, 2010 (9:37 am)

    bridge to somewhere, I understand your frustration, but in this case, I wonder what could’ve been done that wasn’t. SDOT aggressively treated the major streets with salt, and things were pretty good until the temp nosedived about 3pm – just in time for the afternoon commute. Take a large group of folks in cars where a certain percentage just aren’t equipped for the conditions (or their drivers don’t know how to drive in same). I’ll also bet if you look at the accident reports of each jacknifed bus, there’s a good chance they locked up their brakes because a motorist pulled in front of them & suddenly braked. Gridlock results, and no one gets anywhere.
    Unlike the midwest or northeast, we just don’t get enough snow for folks to get into a mindset where they accept it and prepare how to handle it. We live in a state of denial (don’t believe me? check out the jampacked tire stores filled with folks who had days of advance warning suddenly clamoring to have snow tires put on), and lash out at our ‘leaders’, claiming they let us down.
    Short of telling people they can’t leave their homes/workplaces when traffic reaches a certain density level to avoid gridlock (is that the kind of ‘leadership’ you want?), I think the City did a pretty good job trying to mitigate this, but were overwhelmed by a combination of factors.
    So seriously, bridge to nowhere, if you were King of Seattle – no pesky City Council, Unions, or neighborhood activists to accommodate – how would YOU have handled this (and if your answer involves buying more/different assets, explain what you’d cut or taxes you’d levy to make it happen)? It is easy to sit back and complain, but coming up with workable answers isn’t as easy, but that’s how we really make working communities.

  • HelperMonkey November 23, 2010 (9:38 am)

    Fauntleroy and California are sheets of ice. Most people going slowly but some boneheads out too. Marine View Drive was a white knuckle experience, and not one we’re likely to try again on the way back up. I am seeing plenty of buses on California, and they’re chained up.

  • fauntlee phil November 23, 2010 (9:40 am)

    Anyone been out to the airport via Roxbury/Olsen/509/518? We’re supposed to fly out today, but I’m more for staying put at home today.

  • Ashley November 23, 2010 (9:40 am)

    Anyone know how Sylvan and Morgan hills are?

  • HelperMonkey November 23, 2010 (9:40 am)

    the better half just called and said 35th is clear-ish. If you get momentum, keep going.

  • Mary T November 23, 2010 (9:44 am)

    The hills thing is BS. It’s not as if it never snows anywhere else in the country that there are hills. This town needs to get it together with their weather response.

  • Julie November 23, 2010 (9:45 am)

    Well, this IS Seattle, and we get snow a couple times a year. We can’t possibly have the capacity to deal with snow that an East coast or Midwest city has. I doubt anyone living here wants to pay for a bunch more snow plows to sit around idle 99 percent of the time……

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (9:47 am)

    Here’s Nickels in 2008 (from the Seattle Times):
    “The city will analyze the storm response, including the questions of whether Seattle needs more snow plows and other equipment, and whether to stick with a policy of using sand, not salt, on ice-covered roads.

    “We always learn from these events,” Nickels said. “I think there’s room for improvement.”

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (9:47 am)

    Good to hear the city “always learns from these events”!

  • uponahill November 23, 2010 (9:48 am)

    Seems like the biggest problem was the bridges yesterday. If there were tow trucks assigned to the main bridges…..hmmm that would make too much sense.

  • mc November 23, 2010 (9:49 am)

    anyone have any updates on the Metro 21? I was on it yesterday and got stuck..it couldn’t make it up the hill on 35th & Alaska. Is it making it up today? thanks!

  • SusanD November 23, 2010 (9:50 am)

    Need advice on the best route to take – need to get to area by Gatewood Elementary from Arbor Heights. Thinking about going down 35th and down Barton to Fauntleroy or 35th and down Morgan hill that runs by WS Thriftway. we have a CRV with chains -any advice is apreciated!

  • ann November 23, 2010 (9:51 am)

    made it home about half an hour ago from downtown seattle. took downtown streets (5th ave and james), which were fine, as was I-5 southbound and the West Seattle bridge, fortunately. I was concerned getting off of the Delridge Way exit, but that was also decent. just had to drive slowly (esp. with sun in eyes). i was too scared to go up the pigeon point hill (andover), but did drive up 23rd ave off of delridge and that worked. all in all, not bad! plus there was NO traffic out there. really a blessing.

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (9:51 am)

    @Julie, the thing is, the Midwest and the East Coast deal with snowstorms on the order of several feet in a day. It isn’t like Seattle got hit with something like the snow Buffalo, NY or Chicago get–we got a couple of inches of snow! And frankly the investment in a decent snow response in Seattle would be money well spent: can you imagine the tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars lost today because citizens can’t get to work? The courts can’t run? Schools aren’t in session? Parents have to stay home to watch the kids?

  • tanyar23 November 23, 2010 (9:54 am)

    I had my eldest child during the snowstorm of 1996. My observation is that the city regardless of mayor does not have the infrastructure to keep the roads clear of ice. We also seem to have a supply of people who do not heed the warnings of storms and think they’re entitled to drive their cars that are not prepared for snow and ice whenever they want. Sorry to sound cynical, but it’s been the same tune for snow storms in my recent history of Seattle for the last 14 years. And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and to expect a different result. My expectations of the city are low and I am not surprised when it snows and ices here.

  • Mary T November 23, 2010 (9:55 am)

    Julie, I moved here from Cincinnati. People seem kind of confused about what that was like.

    First, it’s extremely hilly — steep hills. While much of Ohio is flat, Cincinnati is in a valley carved out by a glacier. Just as hilly as it is here.

    Second, lots of bridges — right on a river. Not exactly the same as the sound, but plenty of overpasses, etc., so same “bridges freeze before roadway” results.

    Third, we only got a serious snow/ice event maybe once a year. Oh, we’d get cold weather and flurries, but really no more than Seattle gets as far as true “winter storm” weather.

    The difference is, they had salt trucks and they salted ahead of time and throughout. They also plowed. Whether those sat idle or the the trucks were used for other purposes throughout the year, I can’t say. I’m just saying that the existence of bridges and hills is not an excuse to shut down an entire city.

  • CitizenR November 23, 2010 (9:56 am)

    maybe the city doesn’t need more snowplows, but since West Seattle Has nothing BUT HILLS! Maybe we (yes WE) should purchase a snow plow to take care of OUR hills! This is stupid that we can’t go anywhere with a little bit of snow!! I’ve lived here my whole life … and now I’m wondering … hmm might be a good time to become a snowbird!!! My sister lives in the mountains and their road is plowed every day!

  • Susan November 23, 2010 (9:59 am)

    I’m not sure if this has already been noted, but all King County libraries are closed today. The closest branch to WS is the White Center branch. I’m a KCLS employee, so I will add any additional info as I hear it. Stay warm!

  • tanyar23 November 23, 2010 (10:01 am)

    Entertaining watching on another hill–John St on Capitol Hill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhZCyQ3emQg

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (10:02 am)

    To put our snow storm in context, we saw about 2.5 inches of snow yesterday. Buffalo NY has seen 4″ of snow per hour!

  • maplesyrup November 23, 2010 (10:04 am)

    Just drove from the Admiral district down California, on Fauntleroy toward Lincoln Park, past the ferry landing and up near the Fauntleroy Y. Everything was slick but passable.

  • MrTeach November 23, 2010 (10:05 am)

    Geeze, guys, thanks for making me feel better about my 6 hour commute from Cap Hill to West Seattle last night. The Metro Driver was great, a classy lady stuck in a tough situation. I had a lot of time to think yesterday on my bus to nowhere…I really do think that we should tear the viaduct down and do everything with surface streets and bicycles…it proved wildly successful last night. My sister in Houston was able to evacuate the city from the hurricane debacle a couple of years ago in LESS time than it took for us West Seattleites to get home yesterday. We are Seattle’s oldest and largest neighborhood…it is time we DEMAND our due!

  • CitizenR November 23, 2010 (10:06 am)

    bridge to somewhere … yeah, and Buffalo NY has snow plows and no hills!

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (10:09 am)

    @tanyar2 — that video is excellent demonstration of the fallacy of believing that 4 wheel drive makes you invincible in the snow.

  • @westseattlemama November 23, 2010 (10:12 am)

    DH driving to Bellevue from West Sea (highland park). Delridge, WS bridge & I-5 clear & moving. Light traffic. Lots of abandoned cars. Thinks I-90 will be same

  • JenS November 23, 2010 (10:12 am)

    I’m a total dunce about this stuff because I’ve lived here forever … would more snow actually be better? I feel like our issue is always we get this tiny bit of snow that turns into a sheet of ice. Driving on snow seems much easier than driving on ice, as you can at least get a little traction.

  • Mags November 23, 2010 (10:15 am)

    I grew up here too and remember lots of storms just as memorable. There was one in the late 1980s that also hit rush hour and snarled traffic for hours. Many of my friends did not make it home from high school and spent the night downtown in lobbies of buildings. I made it, after 12 hours of being on a bus. The 1996 snowstorm was epic too and the buses ceased operations in many areas. I had to hitchhike to the ferry terminal to get to a wedding on the other side of the water. I have to laugh at transplants who scoff about our reaction to snow (because they are from places with 10 feet of snow and they can still make it to school with nary a problem etc). I spent four years driving in New York State (Buffalo area) and it is completely different there. They have the equipment in place because it there is snow on the ground for like 4-5 months of the year. They also have different types of snowstorms with lots of snowpack and less ice. And BTW, yes they do close the roads sometimes. Talked to some friends yesterday from mid-west who thought they were invicible because they have SUV and are used to snow, they got stuck right away. So again, for those of you who wonder why the locals freak out when there is 1 inch of snow, it is because this happens and it is not because of the current city government. It is because we are truly not equipped to handle major snow events during rush hour, we don’t have easy grid type streets in which to easily re-route, and our buses can’t handle the icy hills. I am glad someone mentioned Charlie Chong. He was totally laughed at because he wanted to buy lots of extra snowplows after one of the big storms. People mocked him for being some deranged local who was afraid of the 1-3 inches of snow. He did not succeed in his mayoral bid.

  • Smitty November 23, 2010 (10:18 am)

    I think it’s all a matter of timing.

    If it would have happened at 10:00am or 7:00 pm we would have been fine(or better off I should say). As it turned out everybody panicked and the streets were so crowded that sno-plows couldn’t do their job.

    This happened about 15(?) years ago too. 3:00 pm is about the absolute worst time for it to hit, I would imagine.

  • datamuse November 23, 2010 (10:22 am)

    Phil: went to the airport by that route this morning and it was smooth sailing all the way.

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (10:25 am)

    I totally get the point that Seattle is not Buffalo and thus shouldn’t need as elaborate a snow infrastructure as that city, but I wonder if the folks who spent 6+ hours last night trying to get home agree that the city’s response was decent and acceptable. And also, I wonder if people also agree that the city’s snow response plan of “get out of your car and into a city bus” was reasonable, given the fact that many comments on WSB were from people who had family/friends stuck on a–emm–stuck bus. Further, given how angry Seattle voters were over the 2008 snow response, it seemed to me that Seattle voters were pretty clear that they want better from their government when it does snow. All of this contributes to my belief that Seattle’s snow response was inept . . . perhaps slightly less inept than 2008, but inept.

  • Dan\'a November 23, 2010 (10:25 am)

    I am going to attempt to go from Beach Dr, around Harbour Ave, up Avalon and into the Junction around 2:00pm. Is this advisable? I will be in a Volvo wagon with no snow tires. I have a doctor appt that I would prefer not to cancel, but obviously will if it is too slick out there.

  • voodoo November 23, 2010 (10:32 am)

    Regarding shops at Westwood Village, I noticed that Pet Pros, Sub Shop, and Hair Masters are all OPEN… As is QFC, of course.

  • Jagrah November 23, 2010 (10:33 am)

    JenS– I was just about to make that point. It’s the ice that’s the problem, not snow. I suspect (but don’t know, need to investigate) that when cities in the east get “ice storms” or freezing rain they have a lot more trouble than they do with snow.

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (10:36 am)

    Jagrah: untreated snow that is driven on gets compacted and turns to ice. So, the cities that deal with snow plow it and salt it so it doesn’t turn to ice.

  • cjboffoli November 23, 2010 (10:36 am)

    When considering what it might cost for additional plows and sanders, you need to consider the impact on our economy to have commerce and transportation across the city being basically shutdown for days on end. That’s not even talking about the opportunity cost of people being stuck on buses for hours on end.

  • OP November 23, 2010 (10:36 am)

    Just went from the Admiral Junction to Morgan Junction with no issue. 2WD in 2nd gear. No a problem. Slippery? Yes. Slushy? Yes. Drivable with some skills? Yes. Saw NOT ONE plow and this is the perfect time to scrap away the slush and ice and make the road more passable.

    And people, try to remember the traffic laws. They still apply. Saw 2-3 people make illegal and dangerous turns on red lights. Fail.

  • NotMe November 23, 2010 (10:41 am)

    Admiral was just de-iced again… and it’s very much improved. This is what? Some 18 hours after the snow fell?
    .
    Cincinnati is not anywhere near as hilly as Seattle. You have to be kidding me.
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    The city couldn’t get to the main arterial routes once again because there were too many cars blocking the path. When you decide to drive to “get food” in the midst of a snow storm, you are only adding to the problem. Get out and walk next time – but be careful of the people who refuse to use common sense and start skidding along.

  • Cali November 23, 2010 (10:43 am)

    I don’t understand why the roads were not salted before the freeze. Everyone knew it was coming, why didn’t they salt the streets? Was that not part of the super plan that has been talked up lately about snow plans?

  • Magpie November 23, 2010 (10:44 am)

    There was a plow going north on California about 7:30 this morning, but there wasn’t enough snow on the street for it to plow, so it was actually just compacting the ice more. I had no salt or anything, just a plow on the front. Seemed kind of useless…

  • TTT November 23, 2010 (10:48 am)

    Driving home from Puyallup via i-5 and the WS Bridge then to the junction… anyone know how these roads are? I-5 looks good, but most concerned with bridge & junction… Would like to get home instead of sleeping on the floor at my sister’s again…

  • sarelly November 23, 2010 (10:53 am)

    Last night left work at 4:00 PM because I was offered a ride, and thank god for that because it took us 2 hours to go up 99 and across the West Seattle Bridge from Marion & First. We saw a truck de-icing the bridge some time after 5:00, and I wondered if they had done that before rush hour. I got dropped off at the Thriftway at Faunterloy & California. My husband picked me up there, and we were able to drive up Morgan, although it looked like one car had gotten stuck on the slope.

    I grew up in New England, where it snows all winter, and the streets are plowed continuously on a snowy day, and they sand the roads as well. Of course everyone uses snow tires in winter. What are the factors that keep Seattle from being prepared for these storms? Not enough plows & operators? What do they need that they don’t have? I’ve lived here for 20 years and seen the City shut down during every storm. It can’t be that hard to find out what to do and how to do it, so it must be a low priority, presumably because it doesn’t happen often enough to make it a high priority.

  • Michael F November 23, 2010 (10:57 am)

    MIKE McGINN IS AN IDIOT! he needs to take responsibility for all the accidents and backups caused by SALTING our roads. The salt put over the snow that fell melted the top layer, creating a layer water on top of ice (which is the slickest surface on the face of the earth). we must stop Salting of our roads immediately. I encourage everyone with any personal injury, or car accidents, towing charges from abandoned vehicles, to sue the city and Mike McGinn. Fresh snow, and frozen ice is much easier to drive on. Once again MIKE McGINN is an idiot.

  • ad November 23, 2010 (10:57 am)

    I need information on Genesee & Glenn Way. Pretty please?

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (10:58 am)

    @Scott: What I’d have done as King of Seattle: (1) I’d have prepared by having police assigned to close-off problem streets when/if snow falls; (2) I’d coordinate with Metro to ensure its drivers were only driving on the roads we deiced and plowed; (3) I’d be positively DUMPING salt on the roads right now, instead of just uselessly plowing.

    But let me also add that I didn’t campaign for my ability to lead a major US city, and I haven’t committed my life to running the city’s department of transportation. I mean, are you seriously saying I don’t have a right to criticize my government unless I’m (a) a better leader, and (b) an expert in city infrastructure?

  • Ambria November 23, 2010 (11:05 am)

    @fauntlee phil: You should check with your airline before heading out. There have been some issues with crew and staff not being able to get to the airport. Hate for you to show up and have no where to go!

  • Michael F November 23, 2010 (11:06 am)

    SALTING IS THE PROBLEM ….. NOT A SOLUTION! figure that one out in five years when everybody’s cars rusting and they don’t know why.

  • Michael F November 23, 2010 (11:10 am)

    Try this one on for size, if you can’t afford your deductible for car accident, risk going to work. It’s real simple. If you don’t make more money in one day than what you’re auto insurance deductible is, and this is a no-brainer, stayed off the streets please.

  • RJB November 23, 2010 (11:13 am)

    Wow, if we could take all the complaining and whining and turn it into energy….could you even imagine? We all knew this was coming, we all know how this city handles “weather emergencies” and we all know a lot of people around here are not prepared for snow. Why is anyone surprised??? Stop complaining, help your neighbors and run for office if you can do a better job. And stay safe!

  • Roh November 23, 2010 (11:14 am)

    I waited in White Center for the 560 to Burien/Seatac/Bellvue for well over an hour – saw 2 120s going South that entire time while there were 3 560s and 5 or 6 120s going North, so I eventually decided to catch one of them into downtown which worked much better.

    This was after being on the 560 for 5 hours last night. I should have known better.

  • chris November 23, 2010 (11:17 am)

    I’ve got one word: sand. They use it all ove the NE where it snows and is cold. It ain’t rocket science.

  • dotty November 23, 2010 (11:24 am)

    Roxbury, 509,518 to airport pretty easy if you take it slow, airport seems business as usual.

  • Genesee Hill November 23, 2010 (11:26 am)

    Chris,

    I agree sand is helpful, but after the 2008 event, when sand was heavily used, many people were in an uproar that Seattle didn’t use salt.

    Sand certainly worked well on the West Seattle bridge during that 2008 event.

  • Dizzle November 23, 2010 (11:29 am)

    Highland Parkway is still CLOSED!

    Was just out there and watched about 5 idiots in their hate machines driving down, only to be stopped by the police officer at the bottom issuing citations. The best part were the people driving up, passing the cop and then issued a citation! No salting may be an issue, but it’s the dumb people who can’t follow the rules (ie Snow Closure signs) that are creating more problems!!

  • Michael F November 23, 2010 (11:29 am)

    Whining and complaining not, I did not go to work, I spent the entire day driving around in my 4×4 truck helping people. I gave cold people a warm place to sit, I use my tow strap to help stranded cars get to a safe place. I taxied cold people with children to their homes, I burned more than one quarter tank of gas yesterday in the name of love. once again, salt is the problem and not a solution stick that in your coffee grinder and brew it.

  • Mike November 23, 2010 (11:35 am)

    Drove to Admiral District from airport last nite, leaving Sea-Tac at 5:30 and getting home at 8:00. Saw only one de-icing truck. That’s because it was bumper-to-bumper traffic in all lanes with no chance for any ice or snow removal equipment to operate. Getting up Admiral Way was a little tricky, but that was due to a couple ultra-slow cars ahead of me. I drive extremely cautiously and slowly, but they were so slow they were causing the rest of us to lose traction. Made it home safely and happily, and enjoy reading all the mindless rants from Tuesday-morning quarterbacks – quite a yuck.

  • 2wheels a-go-go November 23, 2010 (11:36 am)

    My bike commute yesterday evening and this morning between West Seattle and Queen Anne took me 35 minutes each way — 5 minutes longer than usual. It wouldn’t have taken me so long if it weren’t for all those abandoned cars blocking the bike lanes that my taxes paid for.

  • Patti November 23, 2010 (11:37 am)

    Looking forward to any updates on the Madison/Dearborne exit off I-5. I canceled my 9:30am Zumba class (Rainier & Dearborn), but think I am keeping the 6:30pm class open so heading out later this afternoon. Looks like the side roads are clearing. Thanks everyone & WS Blog for road updates today!!!

    P.S. Alki Ave looks pretty cleared off now.

  • Genesee Hill November 23, 2010 (11:40 am)

    Smitty:

    I agree with you on this one! The timing of this event could not have been worse. Most people made it to work in their ill-prepared cars and were toast when it came time to go home.

  • BV November 23, 2010 (11:41 am)

    How is 35th going south up hill past golf course and stadium?

  • Scott of the Antartic November 23, 2010 (11:42 am)

    bridge to nowhere – your ideas 1,2,&3 are all good. That’s the sort of thing that I’m looking for, not just ‘city government sucks’. I would never suggest you don’t have a right to criticize Government. I merely suggest that we should all make our critique more effective by educating ourselves on the nature of the problem, and offering workable suggestions, not just b******g. Several good thoughts have been raised during this discussion. One noted that while plows & sand/salt trucks are expensive, and can sit idle a lot, the economic cost of this sort of paralysis isn’t cheap either. Another pointed out subtle environmental differences that make a snow/ice event in Seattle a greater challenge than, say, Cincinatti. Others – myself included – have noted that much of this misery could’ve been avoided if motorists could’ve just stayed off the road unless absolutely necessary, and if they do have to take a car out, ensure it has proper tires (studless snow tires do work pretty good). Taking the bus is still a great idea. Don’t blame them for the long trips home. If more folks bussed or carpooled, there would’ve been less cars out, and less chance of road-clogging accidents. This morning’s commute being a case in point. Finally, each one of us should take a moment to THINK: have a ‘contingency plan’ for days like this. Don’t wait ’till the last minute to get chains/snow tires/bags of de-icer for sidewalks & driveways, etc. Do this in early fall before the bad stuff comes. Seattle has one or more good snows every year, and we had several day’s warning on this. DON’T EXPECT THE CITY TO HOLD YOUR HAND, HAVE YOUR OWN ‘SNOW PLAN’ FOLKS! Identify places (hotels, friends, colleagues) near your work where you can ‘crash’ rather than add to a commuting nightmare. Make sure you have good M+S rated tires, and if you have space in your garage, keep a set of studless snow tires for November-March. Find a colleague to carpool with and help them pay for gas. Make sure you have basic foodstuffs and you’re not low on any prescriptions when there’s a chance of snow. Obviously, not all of these options are practical for everyone, but if we each do what we can and take a proactive stance, rather than do our usual ‘oh s**t, it’s snowing’ routine, we could probably mitigate this quite a bit.

    And yes, hold the City accountable, but do so constructively. Do you know who your City Council reps are? Do you even bother to vote? Do you read the paper (you’re reading WSB, so that’s a great start, good on you!). You don’t have to be an expert in city infrastructure to be a good citizen; just be willing to take some time to get informed and offer useful critique.

  • NotMe November 23, 2010 (11:44 am)

    To CB’s point, I get paid by the hour. When I am stuck at home, I, as well as the city, county, etc. do not make money. I will now spend less in my community during the time after this repeated debacle… because my next paycheck will be much less.
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    It begins to matter. It isn’t easy living in West Seattle while my house is under water, the traffic is getting worse (and just wait til that viaduct comes down), and I can’t even get in or out. It’s getting old.
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    Maybe WSB can get some comments from our local leaders? I would LOVE to hear what our elected reps say about this. What will they bring to the city council and WSDOT from this latest fiasco?

  • SD November 23, 2010 (11:46 am)

    Well, it turns out having a smartphone while I was at a dead stop on I5 yesterday afternoon was a mixed blessing. I had read somewhere that the Thriftway was closing early at 6 pm last night but I just walked down there and it turns out that wasn’t true, they did NOT close early. So I had no reason to detour to the 7 11 after all and get stuck grr! *Really* kicking myself now.

    Just wanted to report that Fauntleroy is not plowed, at least not between Graham and California (and from what I could see across California towards the ferry terminal, not on that side either), but California looks to be plowed as far south as Fauntleroy but not beyond. People seemed to be driving on Fauntleroy ok however.

  • bridge to somewhere November 23, 2010 (11:49 am)

    @Scott. Thanks for the full response; I completely agree.

  • M November 23, 2010 (11:53 am)

    Just arrived in the Junction from Alki going along Alki ave, over to Admiral, up to California and down California to the Junction. As long as you take it slow and steady no big problems.

  • NotMe November 23, 2010 (11:54 am)

    Hey 2 Wheels…
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    Which of the taxes you paid are you referring? The taxes on the gallons of gas you pour into your bike?
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    Yeah… my gas-guzzling truck pays for the markings of your “bike path” along Admiral, California, and Fauntleroy. I am glad you ride your bike and help contribute to less cars on the road. Kudos to you, ok?
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    I think you fell off that bike and bumped your head. It is a little goofy that someone, knowing the dangers that cars on the road already are in, will get on his bike and ride on through. I hope the wind felt good to you, sir. I am not buying your story, and I seriously doubt you were riding last night. Nice try…

  • Melissa M. November 23, 2010 (11:56 am)

    I want to say thank you!!! to the West Seattle blog crew! I always have a place to look and see what’s going on…even if I can’t get back to my house in West Seattle…. Anyone know how Delridge is looking down to the Home Depot?

  • huh? November 23, 2010 (11:58 am)

    What is up with the helicopter over the Junction?

    • WSB November 23, 2010 (11:59 am)

      It’s noon newstime. There are still stuck buses (I just added photos to the story). TV, I’m sure. (added) Our friends at KING5 confirm, it’s just their chopper shooting the buses.

  • Gina November 23, 2010 (12:01 pm)

    City Light crews have been working on the power outage in the Lafayette/Lander area.

    Back with the old drawspan bridges snow was not an issue. The bridge was made of metal grates, like the South Park bridge. Snow fell right on through. Everything else is nothing new under the sun. There is a larger population now, so more people on the roads mean more problems. More people mean more businesses in the region.

    I think the solution is ourselves. Be prepared to walk home, or at least partway. Leave the seats on the bus to those that need them. Because this situation happens every single time. I can look back to the 60’s and recall my father walking home from 1st Ave S, where the busses would call it quits. Before Metro. And he had done so in the 50’s and in the 40’s.

    I can see things I did right to prepare for this, and some things I did wrong. Each time I have learned a little something different.

    Maybe they should use vodka on the streets. It doesn’t freeze.

    Or 4-Loco.

  • Laura November 23, 2010 (12:04 pm)

    I wish we’d lay off the useless hostility to one another. Some of the best parts of Seattle’s ridiculous snow-tastrophes are the tales of Good Samaritan-ship and helping each other. There’s no point in getting into an argument over things like what taxes go to bike lanes out of frustration over the commute.

  • laura November 23, 2010 (12:07 pm)

    Snowplow/sanding truck just went down 61st at Alki. Alki is looking way better than earlier.

  • Roger November 23, 2010 (12:09 pm)

    Any idea of road conditions (passable?) on:
    1. California from Thistle to Morgan Junction
    2. Thistle from CA ave to 35th to Westwood (Barton/Trenton)
    Thanks!

  • Patrick November 23, 2010 (12:14 pm)

    @ Laura – agreed – last night on the hell of the lower bridge a truck that was all chained up went around to the cars lined up along the side that were stuck and helping them get all chained up so they could get out off the bridge safely (probably a good 6 or 7 cars I witnessed them helping)

  • homesweethome November 23, 2010 (12:20 pm)

    For those that have abandoned your cars, please get your car as soon as you are able. The main streets are passable. For the silver 2 door BMW blocking our condo driveway on CA Ave in Admiral, we have lots of older folks in our building and we need access to our underground parking. For those of us with AWD and trapped in the garage, we cannot get out of our garage to help people in need including people in our building, nurses that need to get to the hospital, etc. Move your cars.

  • SD November 23, 2010 (12:20 pm)

    @Roger I just walked to the Thriftway at Calif and Fauntleroy and as I posted, California south of the Morgan Junction does not appear to have been plowed–looked like packed snow and ice although cars seemed to be getting through ok. I would imagine the hill up California to Thistle might be tough.

  • westseattlegrl November 23, 2010 (12:21 pm)

    i thought part of the “snowplan” was not NOT to use the articulated busses?

  • WSB November 23, 2010 (12:21 pm)

    SDOT truck spotted by our roving reporter at Admiral/California. I’m saving the full photo for the next update (launching 2-ish) but we tweeted it so you can see it here:
    http://www.twitpic.com/39jp8g

  • Alison November 23, 2010 (12:26 pm)

    @Roger – I left Fauntlee Hills around 9:30, drove downtown and came back at 10:30. 35th is fine – mostly wet pavement surrounded by some slush. Barton has recently also shown its pavement – I live above it and can see traffic moving easily up and down on wet pavement (with slush on the sides). The top of the West Seattle Bridge was dry.

  • Kimberley November 23, 2010 (12:29 pm)

    Is anyone else experiencing comcast outages since late last night?

  • Mary T November 23, 2010 (12:30 pm)

    BV, 35th between Avalon and Edmunds looks good — people are speeding up it, in fact.

  • Dan\\\'a November 23, 2010 (12:36 pm)

    While the main roads might be clear, even the flat, side roads around Beach Drive are very icy. I thought about attempting it, but erred on the side of caution. So close, yet so far…
    Good Luck out there, be safe.

  • Viola November 23, 2010 (12:37 pm)

    Any news on Morgan going from 35th down to Fauntleroy/California and the Morgan Junctn? Worried about getting from East side of West Seattle over to the West side and back.

  • k November 23, 2010 (12:40 pm)

    Just a note to the doubters re: bicyclists last night. I was in the mess back to west Seattle for nearly 7 hours. I counted 8 cyclists and at least 25 people walking back over here.

  • alkigirl November 23, 2010 (12:41 pm)

    Hi all — has anyone driven from the 62nd/63rd SW and Admiral area up the Admiral hill towards 47th and Alki Mail?

  • Keith November 23, 2010 (12:42 pm)

    Interesting aerial footage of WS, shot this morning:

    http://westseattle.komonews.com/content/west-seattle-above

    Watching the news from sunny So. Cal, hoping everyone stays safe and that my pipes at home don’t freeze!

  • Elikapeka November 23, 2010 (12:45 pm)

    I’ve been through enough of these that I no longer rely on the city/county/state to be able to handle it. I don’t know why they can’t seem to manage these events, but they can’t. I’m sure I remember Metro saying they would not use articulated buses, and yet they kept running them. Those do more to screw up traffic than everything else put together. Just park them! At the very first snowflake!

    I keep hearing city and transportation officials say this was unforeseen – nonsense. All they had to do was watch any TV weather report to know that extreme cold and winds were coming. I didn’t see any salt/sand/deicing fluid being applied when I was out yesterday. I had the luxury of being able to hightail it home about 2:30 when it looked like things were turning.

    But aside from that, every fall I put the following in my car, and it stays there until spring – boots, chains (even though I have AWD), a sleeping bag, bottled water, some nuts and granola bars and chocolate, an emergency kit, and a small bag of clay kitty litter (great for providing traction). I try to never let the gas tank get under 1/2 tank.

    The nature of my job is such that I’m in different places every day, but if I had an office, I’d do the same there – stock it with supplies to overnight if necessary.

    And lastly, if it starts to snow/ice up close to rush hour and I’m outside of West Seattle, I just look for a hotel. I figure I’m on my own – the city just can’t deal with these events.

  • Curious November 23, 2010 (12:56 pm)

    OK, honest question here – how upset would you be if you came to a pharmacy and it wasn’t open because the normal staff couldn’t get there? I’m trying to figure out if I should risk a drive from Admiral Heights to the Junction around 2:30 (leaving at 7pm). Otherwise the pharmacy will have to close (I don’t normally work at this location, but am the nearest to it).

  • Ken November 23, 2010 (1:05 pm)

    @Kimberly: We haven’t had any problems with Comcast, either TV or Internet, here in the southern part of the peninsula.

  • Traci J November 23, 2010 (1:13 pm)

    Any suggestions on how I can get from 52nd & Charlestown to the Admiral hill where I abandoned ship last night? 51 isn’t running today.

  • Jeff F November 23, 2010 (1:16 pm)

    Kimberly – My Comcast has been sketchy for 3 days now. Some TV channels and internet would cut in and out. Today, TV is okay but Internet is down completely. I’ve tried calling but the Comcast number has been busy all day. Where are you at? I’m on 20th down near Westwood Village.

  • Sue November 23, 2010 (1:26 pm)

    Curious, in this type weather/road conditions, I would call ahead to a shop to see if it was open first. So while I might be disappointed that it was closed if I needed something, I would certainly understand.

  • k November 23, 2010 (1:28 pm)

    Traci J- I live near you. I have a Subaru and would be happy to drive you over there. I would have to do it soon though. here’s my email peace8620 at gmail dot com

  • JMB November 23, 2010 (1:29 pm)

    One thing that bothers me about last night is that city and county leaders weren’t seen or heard. At least give the public the perception that you’re working to get things under control.

    I spent four hours on the Spokane viaduct and then on the Harbor Island exit to the low bridge. Finally parked the car under the bridge and walked home. No public response was visible aside from an ambulance trying to get through. During that time, I mobiled onto Seattle Times, Seattle PI, Seattle Weekly, Publicola, KPLU, KOMO, and KING5. No useful info or reassurance from a public official. (But WSB, huge props to you for the coverage and comments.)

    Once I got home, I switched between the late newscasts for an hour and a half. Again, no public official (aside from WSDOT) in sight or sound.

    My four cents? Get a cop cruiser with flashing lights in the vicinity of the high bridge. Get a few officials onto the low bridge to stop, direct, and reassure. Somebody set up shop in a park and ride under the bridge. Mayor McGinn/County Exec Constantine, call the TV stations, alert the blogs, say something. Ask your staffers around the city to make themselves visible, have them give granola bars to stuck drivers, call a radio station saying they’re giving granola bars to stuck drivers, do something/anything to get rid of the perception that we were left to fend for ourselves.

    (And yes, we should all be prepared to fend for ourselves but my point is that local government needs to build confidence that they can handle two inches of snow, let alone a 9.0 earthquake.)

    With the venting done, I want to send warm thoughts and good karma to those who were still stuck on I5 as of midnight last night. And many thanks to Metro drivers. I don’t have a lot of faith in your bosses but you guys are fantastic!

    • WSB November 23, 2010 (1:34 pm)

      JMB – I asked Mayor McGinn’s team via Twitter last night if they would have an Emergency Ops Center briefing sometime last night – that was what I was thinking would have been a not-so-bad idea, have the mayor, the SDOT boss, etc. give the latest updates. They said, no, no plans to. Here’s the Twitter exchange:
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      http://twitter.com/mayormcginn/statuses/6893637954703360
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      Looking back to 2008, that administration had a couple briefings like that in the beginning – BEFORE things got bad – then stopped.

  • Elikapeka November 23, 2010 (1:35 pm)

    Curious, can you check with whoever is on duty now to see if there’s anything really critical waiting for pickup? If there is, I would try and make it in. As a consumer, I would generally call first and certainly understand not being open, but if I had just been released from the hospital and my doctor had called in pain meds or something for me and then I wasn’t able to get them, I’d be pretty upset.

    If there’s nothing like that pending, I’d just stay home.

  • Kayleigh November 23, 2010 (1:37 pm)

    Geez, for the last time, non-natives: Lowland snow is not part of Seattle’s culture, kinda like religion or high fashion! We just don’t do those things very well, generally speaking. :) We never have. We probably never will.

  • mdeh November 23, 2010 (1:41 pm)

    Hi
    Has anyone driven up Admiral Hill? There was a picture of a sand truck cor Admiral/California…so I **?assume** :-) that the hill has been sanded? Also, what about West Marginal. [This morning left for work at 5:30…**NO-ONE** on the roads…a good thing as it was not possible to stop on WM] PS….it’s not the snow, it’s the ICE and STEEP HILLS that is the issue

  • MJ November 23, 2010 (1:43 pm)

    Just drove from my car at Super Supplements headquarters (where I ditched it nicely parked last night after 5 hours in traffic) to near highland park and sw holden.

    Highland Park is still supposedly closed (though cars are still going up for some reason) so I took the 1st Ave. S bridget to Meyers Way/Roxbury and then down 16th to Holden. it was a little dicey in the shadey turns but nothing my little mini cooper couldn’t handle.

  • MindDrive November 23, 2010 (1:48 pm)

    Bus 54/55 downtown turned left after Jefferson Sq., to lower level, all the way to 5th Avenue to become a local bus through 3rd Ave. Slower trip, but we made it fine. I find it unlikely that the reroute from the upper level was necessary, but I don’t drive busses.

    @Kayleigh: If what you say is true, then Seattle doesn’t want to be taken seriously as a major city. Significant lowland snow happened 3 of my 6 winters here – it’s part of the culture now. I can’t cower at home when I don’t get paid for not going to work.

  • JMB November 23, 2010 (1:53 pm)

    Thanks for trying WSB. Hopefully the administration will learn some communications lessons from this one.

    Keep giving them a good model for how to connect a community. Your work and the willingness of West Seattle-ites to speak up here have been much appreciated.

    • WSB November 23, 2010 (2:03 pm)

      Note to all: We are aiming to start the new afternoon/evening commute coverage by 2:30. I’ve added some new info to this one, including ongoing road closures plus libraries (city) closing at 5, community centers at 4. That’ll be repeated in the new story but just wanted to point it out – TR

  • NotMe November 23, 2010 (1:54 pm)

    The Admiral Hill is now driveable. You should go now to get your vehicle before it freezes again at 4:30 – 5:00pm.

  • Joe November 23, 2010 (1:57 pm)

    I was one of the people who got off the packed bus last night and took that walk home. I got on the 55 around 4:30 and at 5:30 got off with another guy around 4 near Qwest field. We hiked it home to Alaska junction, took about 2 hours. By far a better choice than sitting on the bus. By the time we reached the bridge there was a whole crowd of people doing the same thing.

  • Robin Terry November 23, 2010 (1:59 pm)

    I need to get to WC Safeway Tues or Wed–from 6700 block Murray–is 48th uphill passable?–I know I can make it across Graham (my snow route in 2008) but how about California to Morgan and UP Morgan to 35th?? Then 35th to Roxbury, etc.?? Thanks

  • hotel admiral November 23, 2010 (2:02 pm)

    The 56 is running. Therefore Admiral Way must be drivable. I’m about to find out, heading back that way now from Capitol Hill!

  • westseattlegrl November 23, 2010 (2:03 pm)

    i am downtown (stayed here last night). i will be leaving work around 4pm. i live on california near the high school. Which would be better? high bridge/fauntleroy to california and head north? high bridge to admiral exit to california and head south? or low bridge?

    how is the viaduct?

  • SD November 23, 2010 (2:08 pm)

    To update my post from 1145 am, looking out my window, Fauntleroy now has a clear, bare to the pavement plowed lane in either direction. I’m at Fauntleroy and Graham so can’t see how far down the plow went, but it looks good here.

    Any updates on the Edmunds incline heading uphill from 41st? I’m assuming it’s still iced over but if anyone knows differently, please let me know, thanks!

  • Kelly K November 23, 2010 (2:18 pm)

    Just hiked around Westwood. Side streets seem very passable to a variety of types of cars/tires although fortunately few people are out. If you’ve got to drive, do it now before it all turns to ice.

  • Jesse W November 23, 2010 (2:18 pm)

    Live video stream of driving to resuce cars in SODO:
    http://veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4c8ba3e3909b0

  • Snowed in November 23, 2010 (2:25 pm)

    Wouldn’t it make sense to have two+ tow trucks at both directions on the bridge? Why weren’t there trucks going back and forth over the bridge de-icing it? Why weren’t snow plows doing the same thing? Why did this happen again to the largest neighborhood in Seattle?
    People walked in Arctic conditions for hours last night to just get home. We are very lucky no one got seriously hurt.

  • HelperMonkey November 23, 2010 (2:35 pm)

    hey MJ, I think I was parked behind you! heading to pick up my car shortly.

  • Mark November 23, 2010 (2:36 pm)

    I have one simple question. Why wasn’t the Lower bridge – the designated snow route for buses headed back to W.Seattle – sanded and salted in preparation for use? The closure of that bridge due to jacknifed vehicles was a major contributor to our problems last night.

  • MJ November 23, 2010 (2:42 pm)

    good luck HelperMonkey!

  • Karen November 23, 2010 (2:52 pm)

    I’m in flight now (blogging thanks to go-go in-flight internet!), landing at Seatac at 4pm. I live just NW of the Junction…and at this hour, would typically take 509N to W Marg Way at Holden…but am confused by the road closure that says “W Marg Way closed to Holden” – does that mean the entire length of it?

    Any advice to best guiding me home from Seatac would be much appreciated!!

  • Kristina November 23, 2010 (3:03 pm)

    Just home from pill hill. Madison was okay, I-5 is easy, West Seattle Bridge is clear. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in the evenign commute, but it’s not a problem right now.

  • hmac November 23, 2010 (3:09 pm)

    I went downtown for a meeting at 1:30. I took Admiral(near 51st), West Seattle Bridge to 99 to Seneca exit no issues. Took I-5 back, no issues. But think it may be trickier in the dark. Especially since some of the lane markers are hard to see still. Most of my short trip on I-5 was dry.

    • WSB November 23, 2010 (3:11 pm)

      We’ve just launched the afternoon/evening commute version – please share new road reports, etc., here:
      https://westseattleblog.com/2010/11/west-seattle-snowice-tuesday-afternoonevening-commute
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      The story itself will have the latest on current closures – the city’s finally set up, for example, an updated link with the notable officially closed roads closed around the city (like Highland Park Way and the megasteep Charlestown hill).

  • Kristina November 23, 2010 (3:13 pm)

    Curious, the roads are pretty decent right now. And in most fields, I’d say to stay home – but some people will be counting on that pharmacy being open, not just for next-week’s-refills but for today’s great needs, and if they need something today and came in to get it, they couldn’t likely get their doctor to call it in somewhere else in time (most docs would need 24 hour turnaround) so someone could really be stuck…

  • Alki Resident November 23, 2010 (3:23 pm)

    Karen-the hill going up Holden is closed.w marg. is open.

  • CitizenR November 23, 2010 (3:58 pm)

    35th from Alaska to Highpoint pretty good. But from there to Barton … lots of ice … don’t think it was salted/scraped … side street with hills (like mine!) treacherious! and getting worse because they are refreezing! 3:45 pm

  • the cool dog November 23, 2010 (11:05 pm)

    saw a old car trying to get up genesse hill today. he made after 5 times almost hit my bro sled . trying to get across the road got honked at slipped injuied my back. lol my big bro saw it helped me up cause he had boots on. i got 2 bro im in the middle.

  • Kimberley November 24, 2010 (9:11 am)

    @jeff I’m in close to the bridge off of Admiral. Called Comcast and was added to the list to receive credit for my outage, still though it made finding news difficult.

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