Election 2010: Sen. Patty Murray campaigns in West Seattle

Baba August 24, 2010 (3:42 pm)

I was thinking… If it wasn’t for her Boeing tankers deal support. What would we be seeing in Sen. Murray commercials now?

waman August 24, 2010 (4:11 pm)

WHDD? What has Dino Done? Or ever done? Besides fund raising………”cricket”….”cricket”..Oh yeah, lost for governor a few times.

Carson August 24, 2010 (4:16 pm)

What would we be seeing? Lets see, that the last President drove the country into the ground and most states are way way worse off than we are? That we still have many great paying jobs and our real estate values are some of the highest? I am not sure I would give her all the credit, but if you want to also share that on the local level it still leads you away from Dino……

marty August 24, 2010 (4:27 pm)

Don’t pick on Patty! She is well-qualified for the Senate with her P.E. degree from WSU!! Picked by the same voters who elected Dixie Lee Ray.

Baba August 24, 2010 (4:38 pm)

Carson, if by local level you mean King county, then you are absolutely right, but there is also the other washington state that is getting pretty sick and tired of what you, “yappy” King county majority, vote for.

Carson August 24, 2010 (4:54 pm)

Baba,

They should secede! More of our tax dollars go over the mountains then come back here, I have little pitty for them. Boo hoo.

Karen August 24, 2010 (4:55 pm)

Boeing support? Every member of our congressional delegation naturally wanted Boeing to get the Airborne Tanker contract. But Boeing itself filed the protest andthe GOA report found irregularities. THAT’s what caused the contract to be rebid – not Patty Murray or any other politician. The federal procurement process cannot be interfered with by members of congress. Patty did not stop it and she did not help Boeing. It’s dishonest for her to claim that she did either of those things.

waman August 24, 2010 (5:17 pm)

Patty actually was one of the Senators rallying to get this contract back in all of 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIrJLq1xbXI) – the real enemy of Boeing is the Republican party & John McCain – http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000962.htm –

CandrewB August 24, 2010 (6:02 pm)

Do you really think that is how it works Karen?

Baba August 24, 2010 (6:39 pm)

Wow, when I first brought up the tanker deal argument, I was expecting an avalanche of liberal WS posters to give me far better examples of why Sen. Murray should continue her life as career politician representing our state for another 6 years. Oh well, we are still discussing the tanker deal…

Carson August 24, 2010 (8:41 pm)

Serious Baba? She gets to continue by default….

Dale August 24, 2010 (8:50 pm)

Karen, your high school civics class taught you well. However, in the real world those contracts involve more politcal deal-making than you will find in any textbook. We need a senator who can negotiate for our interests and not European companies with little stake in our labor.

Dean August 25, 2010 (12:28 am)

That commercial is misleading. The jobs would have been in the states. Just not in this state. No worries. When Boeing finally pulls out it will be another states concern.

mar3c August 25, 2010 (7:05 am)

baba: here’s a perfect example:
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the other candidate is a republican.
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so why should we liberal democrats want to replace her with someone who has obvious contempt for all forms of government, but is a perennial candidate?

CandrewB August 25, 2010 (7:16 am)

The aircraft would have been built in France; building of the aircraft is where the real jobs are. They were going to do the tank fabrication/installation in Alabama. But, by all means, vote for Rossi, just don’t be naive about the pull Murray has.

OP August 25, 2010 (9:22 am)

baba: here’s a perfect example:
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the other candidate is a republican.

Now there’s a sound, mature and intellectual reason to not vote for someone: just base it on party. No surprise, this is what ideologues do.

Carson August 25, 2010 (9:54 am)

OP,

Yes, that is the initial knee-jerk reaction. Of course the fact that Dino is anti-family, anti-choice and in bed with the BIAW is just the icing on the Cupcake!

Baba August 25, 2010 (10:25 am)

I have an idea for Pattys next commercial:

In it,she should be taking all the credit for our states favourable geographic location (trade, cheap hydroelectric energy etc…)LOL
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I don’t see any other accomplishments!
And obviously neither do liberal readers of this board.

Carson August 25, 2010 (10:31 am)

Baba,

Why would anyone here defend her? She is far from my personal favorite, but as with most elections you hold your nose and pick who is least worst. As in most years, she is easily the least worst this year as well.

CandrewB August 25, 2010 (11:14 am)

Murray has pushed for more money for veterans and the U.S. National Guard and prevented the closure of some veterans hospitals. She has also worked to improve the technology available to ailing vets, pushing the Defense Department to create a computer system that will enable them to track the complete medical history of veterans, even when they transfer between hospitals.

In 2007, Murray tried to add an additional $1 billion to a bill for veterans’ health care. Jim Nicholson, then the secretary of the Veterans Administration, testified that it was unnecessary. Republicans cut the measure from the bill. Then, several months later, the department announced it needed an additional $1.5 billion for operating expenses, prompting then-Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) to announce “Murray was right.” Nicholson resigned soon after.

CandrewB August 25, 2010 (11:16 am)

As chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations subcommittee on transportation, Murray brings millions of dollars to Washington state ever year.

Murray once told former President George W. Bush that he was not taking advantage of the extraordinary opportunity he has to “do the right things for veterans.” She said she has not been invited to the White House since.

Baba August 25, 2010 (11:30 am)

I hear you Carson, It’s like on Nov 4 2008 I was saying to myself – out of 300 plus million people in this country we couldn’t find anyone better then Barack and Maverick…

Carson August 25, 2010 (11:40 am)

Baba,

I actually liked Obama and McCain but when he picked Caribou Barbi it made me question his decision planning. Obviously, I was right in more ways than one on that pick when I went Obama.

Baba August 25, 2010 (11:57 am)

to CandrewB
Not something that media wants us to see nowadays.
Just saying…don’t shoot the messenger…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOC_JjNFkVw

WSB August 25, 2010 (12:08 pm)

Baba, I don’t know if “not something the media wants us to see” refers to the clip you append there but in defense of my profession – if that’s what you’re referring to – it appears to have received plenty of media coverage.
http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=george+bush+welcoming+troops
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If not, sorry.

Carson August 25, 2010 (12:20 pm)

Baba,

Am I missing something? Is it any more than a video of Bush greeting soldiers?

Baba August 25, 2010 (12:31 pm)

No, just to show CandrewB and the likes that not only Sen. Murray cares for our veterans. Weak claim. Thats all.

CandrewB August 25, 2010 (12:44 pm)

I am claiming she gets things done. You were claiming the opposite. I would be very surprised if a freshman senator would be able to do the same. Oh, and she also snagged $3 mil for the South Park Bridge (if it matters to you), not to mention earmarks for ST, 520, 99, etc…

Carson August 25, 2010 (12:49 pm)

Weak Claim? If he cared about them in the first place he wouldn’t have lied to us and congress and sent them off (Iraq) to die. Nothing like a few minutes at the VA to help with the guilt of 5000 dead young men and women….all for nothing.

Baba August 25, 2010 (1:05 pm)

Carson, I think you are getting carried away off topic here, WSB might censor you. Relax!
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I actually want to make a bet with you that IMHO Rossi will win this time. If Patty was in such a great shape the Kenyan wouldn’t have to fly over here.

Carson August 25, 2010 (1:24 pm)

Baba,

Why would I get censored? Is what I am saying untrue? We both know the answer to that don’t we.

Who from Kenya flew here to help Patty? Why would she need the help of a foreigner? You don’t make much sense at times, or most of the time.

CandrewB August 25, 2010 (1:29 pm)

Voting in Rossi would adhere to our proud tradition of shooting ourselves in the foot.

Baba August 25, 2010 (1:44 pm)

Throw all the carrier politicians out! Install term limits! Give Dino a chance! Stop clinging to Pattys skirt!

Carson August 25, 2010 (1:50 pm)

Carrier makes Air Conditioners. Why would we throw out all our Air Conditioners? That makes no sense at all.

Baba August 25, 2010 (2:02 pm)

How about that bet, spelling bee champion?

Carson August 25, 2010 (2:50 pm)

Why would I ever bet on something I couldn’t control? You want to play golf for cash, name the time and place. That doesn’t mean I think Dino will win, I can’t imagine anyone would vote for someone who is Anti Family and Anti Choice.

OP August 25, 2010 (5:01 pm)

Voting in Rossi would adhere to our proud tradition of shooting ourselves in the foot.

Huh? What state do you live in? Methinks a state of blindness, considering Dhimmis have been the dominate political party for the last dozen+ years. And how’s that working out for ya.

Carson: You’re seeing a whole of team psychiatrists, aren’t you.

CandrewB August 25, 2010 (5:23 pm)

OP, Rossi is now running for a FEDERAL position.
Whether you agree with it or not, the current and historical job of a Federal Senator is to represent State interests on a Federal level. Through the seniority system (which I do not agree with BTW but is reality) Murray does extremely well in securing Federal funds; Rossi will not. And I will vote out all “career” politicians the first chance I get AFTER the South does the same thing.

Carson August 25, 2010 (5:48 pm)

OP,

Relax. Break out a history book. Since the country was founded it swings left, then right, then left, then right again. It always has, it always will. The right might gain control this year, maybe in 2, maybe in 4. Then the left will be back in power for a few years… and so on and so on…..I prefer years the left is in control and hold my nose when I right is in control, but I never get too upset either way because I know it will change again soon enough…

Baba August 25, 2010 (6:02 pm)

Carson, few posts ago you were – Dino hater, now you are – fatalist? Please make up your mind or I will have to believe what OP is saying about you.

Baba August 25, 2010 (6:24 pm)

I didn’t write it, but that is exactly how i feel:
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I do not like this Uncle Sam,
I do not like his health care scam.
I do not like these dirty crooks,
or how they lie and cook the books.
I do not like when Congress steals,
I do not like their secret deals.
I do not like this speaker Nan ,
I do not like this ‘YES, WE CAN’.
I do not like this spending spree—
I’m smart, I know that nothing’s free.
I do not like your smug replies,
when I complain about your lies.
I do not like this kind of hope.
I do not like it. nope, nope, nope!
November 2nd will soon come fast,
When we throw the bums out and on their @ss

Carson August 25, 2010 (6:36 pm)

Baba,

Its not being a fatalist, its being realistic. Dino is out of touch with most of Western Washington and shares very few of the same values I do. I am not saying he will win, ever, but I am saying the right will get control, locally and nationally, eventually…and then they will lose control and then get it back, then lose it again and so on and so on. I am just guessing, but did you sleep through both spelling and history classes?

mar3c August 26, 2010 (7:07 am)

baba: of course i base my decision on party affiliation. duh. until republicans renounce their stupid “tax cuts = jobs” supply-side economics b.s., i will not vote for a republican. after all, they are the ones who spent us into $10 trillion in debt and left obama a $1.3 trillion budget deficit.
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like others have said, rossi – and every other GOP candidate who has opened its mouth in recent memory – is anti-choice, anti-family, and, IMHO, anti-working class. this wave of teabaggery seems to have made people militantly ignorant of government’s role and function.
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btw, you mentioned that we have cheap hydroelectric power and water. private industry isn’t to thank for that; the government is. i shudder to think of what would happen if those services were privatized. i’d much rather pay a tax to build and maintain those things than a higher monthly bill.
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so, yeah. for me, as a democrat, voting for murray is a no-brainer that doesn’t require a lot of debate.
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(i’ll be expecting a snide response to that last comment in 3…2…1…)

Annie August 27, 2010 (9:10 pm)

Sure would be nice to have a senator that at least knew what federal employment taxes were —

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/15/sen-patty-murrays-worthless-stimulus-earmark/

Let’s not forget that Patty Murray helped write and then voted for the largest dollar tax increase in U.S. history – at a time when state polls showed 90% of people wanted them to scrap the bloated budget and start over.

Now she claims to support tax breaks to help small business and get people back to work. Shoot ’em and then put a band-aid on the bullet hole? Attagirl, Patty!

GalenC August 27, 2010 (9:41 pm)

I’m intrigued that one comment points out the federal procurement process cannot be interfered with by politicians. That’s quite correct even though some seem to have a problem believing it. Interference would be a federal offense.

Politicians can certainly “root” for their home state contractors but the process is insulated to insure a level playing field. In the airborne tanker case, the GAO agreed with Boeing that “material” irregularities unbalanced the bidding process. That was a finding of fact, not a political matter.

Large foreign contracts are plentiful whether we like it or not. And U.S. companies garner many foreign contracts themselves. The need to keep political influence out is necessary to prevent foreign contrators from refusing to invest the enormous amount of time and money required to develop and submit federal procurement bids.

Yes, the process is complicated and full of red tape but the underlying rationale is sound.

mar3c August 28, 2010 (10:25 am)

@annie: what would dino do? cut funding for the agency that supplies the PNW with hydroelectric power? privatize that agency and go down the road that republicans and enron put california on? break a system that isn’t broken and triple our rates to benefit wealthy operators? do away with permitting and environmental regulations?
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murray is, after all, on the appropriations subcommittee for power and water development. if you read the times article and go deeper than malkin’s cherry-picking, you’ll see that BPA needed secure funding for improving the region’s infrastructure.
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regarding taxes, i assume you’re talking about ARRA? don’t forget that she also voted to cut the estate tax last year. looks to me like she’s helping the middle class *and* the upper class and doing what senators are supposed to do: securing federal funds for her state and its business interests.
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what has dino done?

OP August 28, 2010 (8:48 pm)

CandrewB:

A (giant) huh? Federalist? Rossi doesn’t want a nationalist bank like Hamilton. To call your labeling of Rossi a “Federalist” is the most stretchingly stretch I’ve ever seen stretched! Wow!