Here today, gone tomorrow: West Seattle artist’s poster plight

Speaking of art … From the WSB inbox: West Seattleite Mark Schlipper promoted a music festival with 11 x 17 posters on poles in a local business district – the art you see at left – and says they were gone within a day. He wonders if everyone is aware that posters like his have been legal for years.

I’m a curator of the Cumulus Music Festival. The festival, while not exclusive to it, does have a focus on Seattle and Northwest bands. As individuals and as an organization, we like to support our communities, and the artists in it. This is our second year, and as such I posted some fliers up around my neighborhood, specifically the Alaska Junction. A few local business offered their hand in support, the rest were up on utility poles.

And that’s where the issue lies.

People may not know this, but around 2002, the laws regarding postering changed, and made allowances for posting on utility poles (seattle.gov/transportation/posteringrules.htm). The responsibility for removal being placed on the poster themselves, or be fined. And yet, someone in our neighborhood felt compelled to pull down my posters within a day of putting them up. This didn’t strike me as the act of vandals, but as the act of someone who doesn’t understand the current laws regarding posting, and took it upon themselves to “fix” it.

Frankly I find it disheartening and insulting. Disheartening because we’re a community that celebrates its creative culture, often supports it, and at least seems to generally appreciate its presence in their lives, aren’t we? Because to me this is an attack on that very culture, on people who are trying to better their community with art, and on those artists themselves. Insulting because it’s defacing my legally posted work. Destroying my legally posted advertising, and essentially stealing money from me and my organization by doing so.

I commend people for taking some pride in their community, and would love to see this same enthusiasm in regard to filling the Whole Foods pit, or fining people that don’t clean up after their dogs. But this didn’t benefit anyone, just hurt someone trying to do some good.

We asked a few followup questions to try to figure out if the postering he says he did could have been so over-the-top that it was seen as a nuisance; he said, and added, “Only one poster per pole was posted. No other posters were covered. Staples were used on wood poles, tape on metal, fairly conservatively in both cases.” The issue of posters on poles was a hot one through the late ’90s and early ’00s; the onetime city ban was actually upheld in 2004, but by then city law had changed to permit them.

40 Replies to "Here today, gone tomorrow: West Seattle artist's poster plight"

  • JumboJim February 9, 2010 (11:57 am)

    We have experienced the same thing with posters for our business. We post within the law and within good taste limits (IMO). This seems to be an Alaska Junction problem – and like you say, it happens within 24 hours and repeatedly.

    My guess is that it’s someone who is in the junction all the time – possibly someone who works in the area or commutes through the junction and walks by every day?

  • dsa February 9, 2010 (12:06 pm)

    This is all new news to me. However postering every pole is overkill and amounts to nothing but litter.

  • I. Ponder February 9, 2010 (12:11 pm)

    This is fascinating. As if telephone poles are so beautiful on their own. They used to be trees, but not anymore. They are an eyesore in and of themselves.

    Postering on the poles indicates urban life. I believe there are people/person who works for the Junction doing cleanup. Maybe they are being over-zealous.

  • eileen February 9, 2010 (12:11 pm)

    Is it possible they took the posters because they are beautiful? – because they really are quite different.

    Eileen

  • Anon February 9, 2010 (12:38 pm)

    PRobably the same jack who put a stop to the personal messages on the Fauntleroy overpass, someone with a very empty life.

  • Mark February 9, 2010 (12:48 pm)

    @ dsa – You’re right that postering every pole would’ve been overkill. I see how my “one poster per pole” comment could be misconstrued. I meant that for each pole I postered, I only used one, not four posters per pole, etc. For the record, I posted 6 posters on the two blocks of CA from Edmonds to Oregon. Definitely not every pole :)

    @ Eileen – thanks! that’s actually my design :) And while I’d like to believe that, the fact that there remains taped up stripes of my poster under remaining tape has me believe otherwise.

    Thanks all for the support!

  • Kyle February 9, 2010 (12:53 pm)

    Yes, this in opposition to the number of posters that regularly go up in other neighborhoods, like Capitol Hill. There, posters go on top of posters, even ones someone put up yesterday will have something tacked on top of it tomorrow. And nearly nobody takes them down. I’m sure if you took a chisel to any one pole you’d find an archeolology of local bands and art gigs going back years. There’s promotion/art, and then there’s too much where it becomes unslightly, trashy and obnoxious.

  • Bill February 9, 2010 (1:06 pm)

    Trashy is as trashy does. Pole signs, A-boards on sidewalks,yard sales, etc., etc., etc. Trashy is as trashy does. It all needs to be cleaned up ASAP.

  • orcmid February 9, 2010 (1:08 pm)

    I see posters on poles all around the Alaska Junction, so I don’t know why some are removed and not others. I know that graffiti of various kinds, which I follow in my street photography, is usually done with hard-to-remove stickers on smooth surfaces rather than spray paint these days.

    Although I’ve never removed any posters, I’d be surprised to learn that there is any requirement that people leave any of them there, is there? Is there a misdemeanor for removing posters from “public” surfaces?

  • I. Ponder February 9, 2010 (1:11 pm)

    I think telephone poles are a nineteenth century relic. Surprised all that stuff is not underground at this late date in history. They’re an eyesore most of us have accepted as part of the landscape. Not me.

  • steve February 9, 2010 (1:16 pm)

    Keep that crap out of West Seattle. he reason people like West Seattle is because we don’t have that crap all over the place. If you want posters on poles go somewhere else with the rest of the hipsters.

  • Janie February 9, 2010 (1:20 pm)

    @ormid- it’s not a misdemeanor but the city will fine someone for not taking down their posters within 10 days of the event.
    @Bill- dude seriously…calling people names? Demands? how about writing a thought out argument?

  • Mark February 9, 2010 (1:37 pm)

    @ orcmid – I haven’t seen any requirements to leave ’em up. But if they are legally posted, I don’t see why they should differ from a legally posted advertisement like a billboard. And we all know defacing billboards is against the law. There are laws and fines to be paid if the poster doesn’t follow rules with posting and removal, why shouldn’t the same laws protect their work?

    @ Bill – While I obviously disagree, I respect your opinions on the matter and will defend to the end your right to voice them. Just as I’d hope you’d respect when we work within the confines of the law and defend our right to do so.

  • KBear February 9, 2010 (1:39 pm)

    Hey Mark: Steve and Bill need some posters. Could you hit the poles on their streets?

  • Mark February 9, 2010 (1:53 pm)

    @ steve – I’m a person in West Seattle. And I absolutely love it here. To the point my friends and co-workers get frustrated at my espousal of it’s virtues. And I don’t have an issue with responsible postering. Not much else to say on the matter really :)

  • robwestseattle February 9, 2010 (1:55 pm)

    I didn’t realize the “reason people like West Seattle” is because we don’t have “that crap all over the place”. I think I’ll put up a poster so everyone else can learn this too.

    Thanks for the heads-up, Steve.

  • flynlo February 9, 2010 (2:05 pm)

    @jamie – I wonder if the city has EVER collected any money from anyone for not taking down their posters? How much have they collected and where does the money go? I suspect that this is just another empty regulation! Like smoking in parks!!

    flynlo

  • Janie February 9, 2010 (2:14 pm)

    @flynlo- Why don’t you look into that and get back to us about it? Since you suspect it’s an empty regulation- go ahead and prove me wrong. But until then don’t guess at what the city is or isn’t doing.

  • flynlo February 9, 2010 (3:33 pm)

    @janie- After looking at the directors ruling which implements the regulation I find that there is NO “fine” for not taking down a poster. If the sign remains posted for longer than 10 days after the authorized display period AND the city removes the sign, they may charge the person posting the sign for the labor for removal and cost of disposal. The directors ruling also states that signs can only be one layer deep – in other words no posting on top of other signs. Since other comments on this blog state that signs are multiple layers deep in areas of the city, it is obvious to me that the city is not removing signs. I’m not inclined to waste any more of the city’s time in attempting to determine whether or not any sign poster has ever been charged for sign removal.

    flynlo

  • AJP February 9, 2010 (3:47 pm)

    @Steve & Bill–Hey you kids! Get offa my lawn!

  • George February 9, 2010 (4:14 pm)

    @flynlo- I totally agree with you except how can you “waste” the city’s time if they aren’t doing anything.

  • crosstrainer February 9, 2010 (5:13 pm)

    @Steve & Bill – Maybe you should move to the burbs. you’d love it there! There’s no public expression of culture anywhere!

  • Sea February 9, 2010 (5:34 pm)

    Thank you, Bill…for the lesson on trashy. It appears you really are an expert.

  • Babs February 9, 2010 (6:22 pm)

    Don’t feed the trolls.
    ***************
    I must add living here in Seattle since the 1980’s – I remember and miss the days of pole posters on posters on posters esp DT, oh the great bands playing local shows in town.
    The poster art was stunning. Sure it might have looked trashy to some, to me it was a “beautiful” urban pole mess that fit artistically in a journalist sense, in of course the right areas, and on the right poles. In fact they used the same poles over and over, it was an early concert blog, those poles.

  • I. Ponder February 9, 2010 (6:59 pm)

    Event posters on poles are part of the richness of urban culture. You take that away and what have you got? Bellevue.

  • Laura February 9, 2010 (7:20 pm)

    Poster Nazi. There is a guy in Seattle who will post whatever you want for a charge. If he goes to a neighborhood and sees posters that he wasn’t paid to put up, he’ll take them down. Sounds crazy, but it’s true.

  • LatteRose February 9, 2010 (8:02 pm)

    @ I. Ponder – I was going to say Mill Creek, where everything is neat, tidy, & beige.

  • pigeonmom February 9, 2010 (8:12 pm)

    Sort of on topic, those Movin’ 9.whatever plastic bag eyesores I see on poles around Westwood are obnoxious as heck.

  • jessiesk February 9, 2010 (8:28 pm)

    We used to put up posters of Skylark shows in the Junction. Posters were often gone by early the next morning, which was truly amazing considering we usually posted them at around 2 or 3am on our way home. Whoever is ripping down Junction posters (Bill?) is vigilant and does not care how much time you put into design, printing, and posting. We eventually gave up. I think the Junction aesthetic and the entire arts community would actually be much improved by poster art, but the poster vigilante would need to cease his/her antics before that could ever happen. Mark, sorry to hear about your poster loss. Nice poster design! (Good bands too.)

  • I. Ponder February 9, 2010 (8:40 pm)

    Does anyone know if the Junction has an employee who may be doing this as part of what he thinks his job is? That’s too early in the AM for vigilantes.

  • Kayzel February 9, 2010 (9:16 pm)

    My understanding is that it is legal for anyone to put posters up and legal for anyone to take them down. There should be no expectation of longevity on a public pole. Putting posters in the front windows of businesses might be a better plan for free public display.

  • Mollie February 9, 2010 (9:57 pm)

    It’s not about whether or not it’s legal to take down a poster that someone else has put up. It’s about respecting your neighbors. It is legal to put them up so taking them down is pretty much acting like you are 12. My apologies to most 12 year olds.

  • Mary T Sheely February 9, 2010 (10:36 pm)

    I personally love seeing posters about upcoming events on poles and I also love the cool “art” stickers and other works that pop up on some, too. To me, it gives me the feel of a fun, vibrant, ever-evolving community. But that’s just me.

  • Westie February 10, 2010 (12:20 am)

    I really enjoy the posters. Keep the neighborhood lived in. Good to see fellows humans reaching out to share messages.

    These are really well designed. I’d think about pulling one down to put in my garage or something..but I wouldn’t ever do it. They’re safe.

  • Mike February 10, 2010 (7:03 am)

    @jessiesk: I’m often waiting at the Junction bus stop early in the morning and I occasionally see someone walking on the east side of California, ripping all the posters down as he goes along. It’s not every day, but when I see him it’s usually around 5:30 AM. Might be why signs hung so late are gone by morning.
    Personally, I like the posters – like others are saying, I like the sense of community, rather than the overly sterile feeling living in the burbs gave me.

  • Anon February 10, 2010 (11:41 am)

    maybe he’s mentally ill and has an obsessive compulsion to tear down posters?

    I also love the posters, notices, art, etc…

  • Levi February 10, 2010 (1:07 pm)

    We had a cranky old guy like that in Ballard for a long time; nothing would stay up on Ballard ave. for 24 hours. Then recently he stopped, and posters stay up. I’m guessing he finally passed off from this imperfect mortal coil, with which he was so obviously displeased. I’m sure the same will eventually happen with your West Seattle vigilante and all those like him; the future belongs to the posterers!

  • JumboJim February 10, 2010 (4:22 pm)

    Mike – Do you see this poster-tearing fellow any particular day of the week??

  • jessiesk February 10, 2010 (10:32 pm)

    I had heard rumors of a “poster-tearing fellow” myself so Mike’s comment certainly makes sense. Kayzel, I understand it’s not illegal to tear down posters, of course, but others should understand it’s costly and time-consuming to design, print, and post them. It’s *very* discouraging to have them disappear before anyone has had a chance to even see them. It’s one thing if they’ve been up for a few weeks and getting ratty. But come on, I think it’s fair to expect they’ll be up for a week or so and get some pedestrian views!

  • undercover February 11, 2010 (11:30 am)

    Mark I think you should re-poster, we can pull together a posse, and then lie in wait for a stakeout. Then we poster Mr. anti-posterer. Don’t worry we will use scotch tape.

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