Liberty limbo: Plaza organizers say they’re on hold

stofliblgo.jpgAs we reported last night, the recast Alki Statue of Liberty will debut at the beach next Tuesday night, and city leaders say they’re bringing word of more $ for a new plaza to surround the statue — but the Alki couple that surfaced the latest plaza plan this summer, Paul and Libby Carr, say their group is in what we might describe as Liberty limbo.

In the comment thread following last night’s post, we wondered aloud why the Carr group hadn’t even updated its relatively new sealady.org website with developments such as the 9/11 event announcement. Paul Carr e-mailed us late today to explain:

Thanks for your (comment) inquiring about why we haven’t been updating our website. Short answer: we were waiting to announce our 501(c)(3) affiliation, which we kept thinking was going to be happening in the very near future. That event, in turn, would allow us finally to officially start the fund raising process and accept the numerous offers of money we’ve had from people wanting to complete this project. Additionally, we could then start promoting the many fundraising events our Committee has been developing and be a long ways down the road in funding and finishing the plaza and new pedestal.

Unfortunately, as it turns out we are going to have to wait some more! Back in June ’07, when Libby Carr started trying to put this project back on track, she spoke with the Parks Dept. project manager in charge of this project. She (the manager) stated she felt badly the Statue had been away for several months and that the project had been delayed. Her solution was to put it on the old base and be done with the project.

Libby said she’d never heard that idea mentioned before in the many public meetings the community had already had in 2006 with the design team, the Parks Department, and others, and thought that it would be problematic to throw out the new plans for several reasons, i.e. what about the vandalism issue, and what about the 400 + bricks that had already been purchased as part of the new plaza design, and what about the public process that had already happened on which the new plaza design was based?

Regardless of all this effort from the past, this project manager decided to promote this idea anyway thus creating dissent where there was none before. The City now wants to have a series of meetings, starting Sept. 13 at the Bathhouse, to “make sure all the citizens are being heard”. Because of this “controversy”, the non-profit organization under which we are hoping to solicit money naturally wants to await the outcome of those meetings. The result: we can’t yet take any money!

For us, it’s a Catch-22. As long as this person in the Parks Department continues to say, “There’s a controversy” (even though she created it), we have to keep playing this game. If we don’t, she wins—if we do, she stalls and wins anyway, because we can’t raise money until this contrived controversy is settled.

There are two things you can do, and we would like you to do both of them. First, be at the Mayor’s “welcome home” party for the statue at The Bathhouse on Sept. 11 at 6 PM. We all want to see her, no matter what the circumstances. Second, come to the community meeting on Sept. 13 at 7 PM, also at The Bathhouse, and let the City know, in no uncertain terms, what you think about this situation.

We are relying, as we have from the beginning, on the fact that virtually everyone wants what the community always said it wanted—a new statue surrounded by the bricks they bought in their new plaza. Let’s break this bureaucratic logjam now so we can get on with the business at hand.

To be fair, we should note sealady.org isn’t the only website running behind on the Statue of Liberty developments. We still can’t find official announcements of the 9/11 statue return OR the 9/13 public meeting (which has been in the works since a month and a half ago) on the City of Seattle website.

15 Replies to "Liberty limbo: Plaza organizers say they're on hold"

  • t September 5, 2007 (10:22 pm)

    Yeowch. Picking on the parks department is probably not the best way to get your park built. They are not in this to “win,” they are in it to serve the best interests of the community.

    I’d like to welcome Lady Liberty back to West Seattle, at long last, no matter the history or the various feelings. She’s a powerful symbol of what makes this nation great, and I’m pleased she’ll be back and tougher than ever.

    The spirit of volunteerism and community engagement that has been part of this project is notable, and to be celebrated. But we are talking about the renovation of a public park, so the parks department has a large role to play, and Ms Kliment is doing what we pay her for. Let’s cut her a little slack, and keep it civil.

  • chas redmond September 5, 2007 (10:22 pm)

    Paul Carr says that the city’s agent created this controversy and yet well after plans had been made by a select few in the Alki area, I heard about these plans for a grand plaza and waiting a few years and blah blah and – to tell the blunt truth – completely felt dissed. I don’t want this new plaza. I had no opportunity to participate in any conversation with Carr or others who were setting these plans in motion. I always expected the statue would be returned in its new bronze form to the same well-worn and well-recognized platform on the promenade in Alki. Wow, was I wrong. Then along comes the Parks Department asking for community input and I finally get a chance to have my opinion on the matter heard.

    I am still not in favor of a grand plaza, but if other private citizens want to contribute in money and services to create such an amenity – all the more power to them. Just don’t involve me and hold a statue hostage while you’re materializing your grand plan.

    In a word, you created the controversy by claiming this was a “city” monument and then not involving the citizens in your process. Have you had open houses for the folks in Ballard? How about Ravenna or Seward Park. Don’t you think they occasionally come to Alki – a city beach – to see if the statue is back yet? I live in West Seattle, I have as much right to that statue as anyone else here on the peninsula – or for that matter – anyone else in the city.

    I wish you luck and success in your grand plaza project. I will, indeed, enjoy such a plaza if it gets built. But, I also would like to be able to see Miss Liberty peering out towards the distant water in the meantime. It’s public property, vandalism is one of the known risks – it’s not a reason to withhold a monument.

  • Jan September 5, 2007 (10:25 pm)

    t….couldn’t agree more…

  • Dis September 6, 2007 (12:19 am)

    yes, well said. There’s something wrong when a project is perceived as an us vs. them “battle.”

  • Bob September 6, 2007 (2:55 am)

    The tax exemption delay leading to organizational immobility sounds at least slightly reasonable, although if the plan they’re pushing really mattered to a large number of people, tax deductibility would matter less than they think it does.

    But the rest of the letter is just nonsense. After reading it, I’m in no great hurry to see these people conquer the world. Maybe the real reason they’re going nowhere is that they’re a bunch of scatterbrained finger-pointers and no one much likes how they’ve handled this.

  • Early Morning September 6, 2007 (7:20 am)

    Nonsense is right. Throughout this long embittered tangle, the organizers have been high handed, dismissive of anyone asking questions and holding meetings that were quickly planned and not well attended except by their supporters.
    I think there must be something on the books about not dissing a public official———–shouldn’t this be looked at?
    I also don’t want to help them conquer the world as Bob noted. I think he really gets it. Their own words are enough, not one but several of their missives have been very edgy and extremely transparent. Entitlement with a capital E? This is a public project and however it turns out, the Park Department will have to maintain the final project. They should work with the community in the way they are and make sure they get everyone’s input. Knocking them is not a good start.

  • David September 6, 2007 (9:09 am)

    LOL. You kids crack me up! Are you high? Only in Seattle could you say that we haven’t had ENOUGH meetings over such a simple issue as putting ONE small statue on a pile of bricks. Get a grip folks! How many meetings do you want? I’ve been to two of them and read about 3 others (at the statue/bath house/community center/etc). Can we STOP having meetings?

    This is precisely a long standing Seattle problem. Just talking for years about a problem instead of talking just once (or twice) and then following a course of action, altering as you go along to account for unforeseen changes (weather, finances).

    It’s JUST a statue. This is NOT that complicated. Just DECIDE to make a plaza or keep the simple base we have now. Then DECIDE when to put the statue back. Once you’ve made those choices, don’t go back half way into the plan and change your mind again (re: monorail).

    This reminds me, notice you don’t hear the near daily ‘debate’ over the viaduct anymore? Golly, did we make a decision actually? Nope…not even close. Nothing decided. We just got tired and took a break. We’ll go back to debating surface, tunnel (2 options), rebuild, fix, bridge again…and again….and again….and again.

  • David September 6, 2007 (9:30 am)

    Project Management #101

    1. Discover all involved parties. Find out all parties who have regulatory, financial or other interests in the project.

    2. Schedule meeting (at least 2 weeks out) for all involved parties, the public, and other invitees.

    3. Discuss all options, come to agreement on final project plan and budget. Get written acknowledgment from parties.

    4. Proceed on project schedule. Adjust as circumstances arise as best possible.

    See, we shouldn’t be two years into fund raising and discussing this to only find out NOW that some public park official has different plans and the authority to control the project. The plaza idea has been publicly discussed, posted on boards next to the statue, on web sites and the center of numerous meetings for 2 years. NOW this month, some public official has different ideas? Oy.

    If we had involved all appropriate parties to BEGIN with and gotten their written agreement, we wouldn’t be here now. This isn’t the fault of the new folks who just took this up…they’re inheriting a trademark Seattle process. I feel for them.

  • Kelly September 6, 2007 (9:46 am)

    Hallelujah, David. Was the earlier commenter joking when he said we should involve Ballard, Ravenna, and Seward Park? Why stop there? People from France and Japan may visit the Alki statue sometime . . . shouldn’t they get a say, too? It’s Seattle after all . . . bring on the redundant meetings and circular discussions!

  • Bill September 6, 2007 (10:19 am)

    Scrap the “plaza” and put a family friendly/well designed skatepark on the beach.
    http://www.northwestskater.com/mammothlakes.html

  • Libby Carr September 6, 2007 (1:02 pm)

    Hi Folks:
    We have enjoyed reading the WBS today, with its many and varied opinions on this topic being expressed.
    We’d like to report that we had a successful meeting last night in planning for the meeting on Sept. 13 with Pam Kliment and the mediators. Even though we may have our personal opinions about the necessity for another set of meetings (hopefully, it will just be one), we are delighted to see that progress is being made, thanks to the good offices of Councilmember Tom Rasmussen and Mayor Greg Nickels, as well as the many citizens who have continued to participate in these discussions.
    We are very happy the Mayor is giving $50,000 towards building the new plaza and pedestal. In the meantime, we will all enjoy having the Statue back at Alki Beach. We can also report that Pam Kilment was very helpful last night and heard our frustration about the conditions that have made it difficult for us to connect with an appropriate fiscal sponsor. In fact, she responded to our need by recommending another organization that can act in this capapcity. We are in the process of contacting them now.
    We hope to be able to take donations, sell bricks and start publicizing other fundraising activities at both the Sept. 11 and Sept. 13 events. If it is not in place at that time, but coming, we will certainly be taking orders for bricks or pledges for donations and contacting people as soon as possible after such affiliation is established.
    In the meantime, please know that Paul and I took up this cause with the best of intentions. After all the earlier public meetings held in 2006 and considering over 400 + people had purchased bricks at that time, we thought it would be relatively simple to pick up this project which had fallen off its tracks and get it going again towards completion. For many months, we did not see anyone else stepping forward to do that.
    So, we have done it; we are still as committed as ever to that goal. Having gathered a very fine group of people, with varied backgrounds, occupations and interests, who have graciously agreed to be the new Committee, we will continue. We are also open to others who would like to serve on our Committee, so please call us at 206-938-8721.
    Overall, we are happy these two new opportunities for public involvement are now at hand. Perhaps many more people will now feel included. We look forward to seeing you at the Sept. 11 event at 6:00 PM and at the Bathouse meeting on Sept 13 at 7:00 PM

  • Early Morning September 6, 2007 (4:14 pm)

    Some people above are good at recovery statements, but your basic self still shows through. The organizing 101 is pretty right on and it is apparent this is a new kind of venture for the erstwhile organizers. The Carrs might have consulted early on with the Parks Dept-before they inheirited a project they clearly wanted to make money on. They did not do their due diligence and the Parks Dept. will always have the last say in a public park. Duh???? As someone said earlier, just because you think it is a good idea and want to build it, there is always a master plan-whether you want it or not. Calling out the official you are supposed to work with is not really a good idea.
    The multiple meetings the organizers planned and organized were not able to be attended by many because they were practically back to back and the organizers ran them with a didatic fervor. What is wrong with people from other parts of the city weighing in with their comments. Did the organizers and their commentor miss that this is a CITY MONUMENT. Maybe we don’t need Matt’s plaza. Sure we need to display the bricks and no one is opposed to the bricks. Just a simple statue and a well planned, well thought out plaza would be good.
    The recent rebuttals by the organizers remind me that if you wait long enough, actions and words will speak the truth.
    Gee, what are the photo ops here? Can’t wait for that one

  • Early Morning September 6, 2007 (4:14 pm)

    Some people above are good at recovery statements, but your basic self still shows through. The organizing 101 is pretty right on and it is apparent this is a new kind of venture for the erstwhile organizers. The Carrs might have consulted early on with the Parks Dept-before they inheirited a project they clearly wanted to make money on. They did not do their due diligence and the Parks Dept. will always have the last say in a public park. Duh???? As someone said earlier, just because you think it is a good idea and want to build it, there is always a master plan-whether you want it or not. Calling out the official you are supposed to work with is not really a good idea.
    The multiple meetings the organizers planned and organized were not able to be attended by many because they were practically back to back and the organizers ran them with a didatic fervor. What is wrong with people from other parts of the city weighing in with their comments. Did the organizers and their commentor miss that this is a CITY MONUMENT. Maybe we don’t need Matt’s plaza. Sure we need to display the bricks and no one is opposed to the bricks. Just a simple statue and a well planned, well thought out plaza would be good.
    The recent rebuttals by the organizers remind me that if you wait long enough, actions and words will speak the truth.
    Gee, what are the photo ops here? Can’t wait for that one

  • *t* September 6, 2007 (7:11 pm)

    (I just have to say it is so frikkin cool that WSB is here to allow this kind of virtual debate. Seriously.)

  • David September 6, 2007 (8:21 pm)

    I’m not aware the Carr’s are planning on “making money” on this project. I have no idea one way or the other…honestly never really thought about it. It’s so small and considering the time involved, it sure wouldn’t be worth the effort if that’s their evil plot. LOL. A part time job bagging groceries at Safeway would earn you more for your time.

    I wasn’t meaning to criticize their efforts, but how the process became more involved than the original planners (Northwest Arts) thought. It happens. This kind of venture can seem simple, but can escalate once you come to the horror of seeing who all might have a say in your little project…city hall…county…shoreline environmental regulation…heck, have a ball and go for a Federal Grant, that’ll keep you busy for years! :)

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