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June 22, 2011 at 8:40 pm #599452
kootchmanMemberI purchased GET for Wa state tuition. My wife and I are both from states with “legacy” tuition rates. As I started to search those systems I noted none of the rates of increases of WA state schools. One system with 28 College and University Centers, has an average tuition rate of $4100. My home state has 5 times the enrollment of the WA state system. My wife’s; home state larger still. Sooo..I will send my kids out of state, WA will pay the prevailing UW rate..I will actually make a profit! The problem with UW is poor fiscal management.
June 22, 2011 at 8:48 pm #727398
kootchmanMemberThe middle class is getting slammed by excessive federal college loan underwriting. Colleges raise tuition, knowing liberals will cry for more loan underwriting. The colleges, WA state in particular, has no incentives to control costs. Why should they? They know loan increases or taxpayer subsidy is going to cover the increases. It is the same as the recent housing bubble and deflation. Costs rise when student loans rise to meet them. The meteoric rise in WA state schools is directly related to these loans, which have huge default rates. There is NO excuse for the taxpayer to underwrite private colleges. At a minimum they should be capped at state college rates… bet ya some of those 50K plus tuition rates plummet.
June 22, 2011 at 9:01 pm #727399
KBearParticipantYou’re right, kootchman. We should be cutting public funding for higher education even further, so we can have more uneducated and underemployed citizens. Heck, why are you even sending your kids to college? They’ll probably just learn how society actually functions and stop listening to your crackpot ideas.
June 22, 2011 at 9:21 pm #727400
AndyParticipantCongrats, kootchman. That’s perhaps the fastest I’ve seen someone get a person to clearly demonstrate that his/her definition of “crackpot idea” is “anything I disagree with.”
June 22, 2011 at 9:52 pm #727401
maplesyrupParticipantI think kootchman is hooper’s son.
June 22, 2011 at 10:00 pm #727402
datamuseParticipantHow much state funding do those much-vaunted state U’s in your and your wife’s home states get, kootchman?
June 22, 2011 at 10:33 pm #727403
kootchmanMemberI did not suggest cutting spending. Don’t be doltish KBear. The WA University system is run on student debt. That is what is killing higher education. Why invest 100K in an undergrad degree when you can take four weeks of training and drive a muni bus for 87K per year? In a time of scarce resources, you and I underwrite Harvard with guaranteed student loans… and they sit on a multi-billion dollar endowment? If I want my children to learn that society runs on defaulted debt spending, fiscal mismanagement, I would send them to UW… sounds like a gored ox.
June 23, 2011 at 12:03 am #727404
kootchmanMemberThe objective here is an AFFORDABLE education…that means affordable for the taxpayer as well as the student. You want an educated, innovative workforce? Then WA must educate at a reasonable cost. I have never voted against publica education referendum. I am a product of both public schools and public colleges. Indebted to both. But his model of crushing debt and a fiscal free pass is not working, If you want more of the same, subsidize it.
June 23, 2011 at 2:28 am #727405
TDeParticipantUW state resident undergrad degree for 2012 is projected at $9710, so you don’t have to worry about spending $100K like you stated, for a 4-year education.
http://www.unc.edu/depts/trustees/PP%201110%20FB%20Tuition%20&%20Fees.pdf
What you do have to worry about is whether or not your kid will get in, because there is a state wide budget shortfall and all public schools are trying to deal with it.
If you’re so upset about UW tuition, why not send your kids to Central WA Univ – Undergrad resident tuition about $6200 per year (assuming he/she doesn’t attend summer quarter). Or how about Eastern Washington Univ ($6604 per year for resident students). And there’s Evergreen at about $6900 per year)
Or here’s a better idea. Send your kids to two years of community college at around $87 or so per credit and then enroll them at a 4-year when they graduate from Community College.
Or go ahead and send them out of state with transporation costs and non-residence fees. When people don’t want to pay taxes, services must be cut and rates raised… Unfortunate fact of life. I’d be interested in knowing which state has $4100 for a year’s tuition at a public university.
June 23, 2011 at 3:24 am #727406
kootchmanMemberTDe….UW has already stated their intent to raise tuition 30%… but since you asked… NDSU $4100, Tn State $3200, SUNY-Geneseo (considered the “honors college of the SUNY system) $4300 ETU $3100. I am NOT upset about the UW tuition,…. I am DELIGHTED…since I paid up the GET program… I receive the HIGHEST tuition rate in effect at the time my two are in college, regardless of where they go. That’s the contract. So far…if UW tuition increases continue.. I can send them both to say… SUNY (legacy program) make $5000 per year more than the tuition..all paid for by the State of Washington… sure takes care of the Xmas and Spring break flights home doesn’t it! My kids would shoot me if I sent them to CWU! UW is a taxpayers swamp…
June 23, 2011 at 3:45 am #727407
kootchmanMemberHere TDe … google public University legacy tuition programs… if UW has such a shortage..their first obligation is to educate the children of the taxpayer that supports them. Not out of state or foreign exchange students. Until they serve their mission of Washington students first…then others…the taxpayer should tell them to pound sand. Take a virtual tour of UW Suzzallo Library…then tell me UW is cash strapped. It is a testament to academic indulgence… pretty? yes. Necessary to educate WA students? No. It’s a library, not a holy see
June 23, 2011 at 3:51 am #727408
Genesee HillParticipantkootch:
The more I read your posts, the more I think you are the classiest of acts! You know, what is in it for good old kootch! You are quite the gamer! I, for one, am proud of you! You have got your nickels and dimes all figured out. Heck, you make Silas Marner look like a choir boy! Congratulations!
June 23, 2011 at 4:07 am #727409
TDeParticipantI don’t understand. Suzzallo was built in 1923 and renovated in 2002. Doesn’t make sense to dismantle it brick by brick at this point.
But, I do agree with you that UW should try a little harder to find $ to educate Washington students first. It’s tough though… I have friends who work up there and all departments have had cuts and are facing layoffs with this budget crisis, which could have been averted by the passage of the state income tax bill that was proposed in the last election. But, everyone wants something for nothing these days.
I don’t agree with your children about the merits of Central Washington University, Eastern Washington University or Evergreen State College though… and WSU is totally cool, as well. I’d take those schools over North Dakota, Tennessee or SUNY anytime. But, I’m a State of Washington fan to the core. :)
June 23, 2011 at 4:12 am #727410
Genesee HillParticipantkootch:
No, I work for the GET program! ROFL! Trying to free up public money for your miserly pursuits!
Please keep counting your nickels and dimes! Oops! I think you may have dropped one!
June 23, 2011 at 4:25 am #727411
datamuseParticipantI am a librarian. I’m pretty sure the Holy See has better funding.
June 23, 2011 at 4:28 am #727412
tanyar23ParticipantA public university is a university that is predominantly funded by public means through a national or subnational government, as opposed to private universities. (From Wikipedia)
The taxpayers of Washington specifically those who’ve supported Timothy Eyman initiatives have voted where they want their money, which is not in the pockets of education. I wonder if Washington will begin to look like Alabama in terms of education.
Washington use to use a state supported model of education, in which they covered 2/3 of the actual cost in terms of schooling (at least at the community college level). Then, students would pay 1/3 of the actual cost with tuition.
The problem with these sorts of changes is that typically, there’s no going back. The increased costs continue along with decreased services.
June 23, 2011 at 4:31 am #727413
TDeParticipantNDSU Fargo is $6661 for resident tuition and more than $16K for a non-resident. Also projected to rise 8.8% for 2012.
Tennessee State tuition is currently $5854 for residents and $18,850 for non residents. http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg03_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1541
And those costs are only tuition… not books, not fees, not transportation, not food, not housing, not clothing, not papers and pencils, etc. UW might still be a bargain in the end, if kids could live at home.
June 23, 2011 at 5:04 am #727414
kootchmanMemberdatamuse…the holy see does have better funding…but you wouldn’t work for the same wages as their employees, except the Swiss Guard detachment. In the same year we opened the downtown library, we announced library hour cutbacks. We “just had” to have a Rem Koolhaus design… after all, we needed to be world class…. the building site for you architectural aesthetics, is crap. It is swallowed on all sides by adjacent buildings. I noted this week that the colors have faded on the blue metal… 5 million repaint job coming..and the lattice work..designed to trap pigeon crap and the green ever present mold has found a home. An architect friend of mine commented, it looks like someone made a chicken coop out of leftover 2.4’s, chicken wire, and didn’t have the tools to measure or cut. But we have a Rem Koolhaus design…(off a cocktail napkin at Salty’s) So Mr. or Ms. datamuse…what I remember about public libraries are the story books, the reference help, the massive collection of other worlds and things..and the librarians. What happens inside the buildings is what counts. I knew it Genesee Hill…if the state was more responsible with the dollars, maybe we taxpayers would not have to be so nickel and dime obsessed. Simply put, the state is not trusted to spend wisely. To give more is to see more wasted.
June 23, 2011 at 5:15 am #727415
datamuseParticipantI don’t work for a public library either, kootch.
For somebody obsessed with budgeting, you don’t seem to really know how they work. The money spent on building that monstrosity COULDN’T be spent on the staff to keep it open. Voters passed a levy to build new libraries, and that’s what they got.
June 23, 2011 at 5:17 am #727416
tanyar23ParticipantRemember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?
June 23, 2011 at 5:27 am #727417
kootchmanMemberI am sure CWU is a fine college…but no, i could not interest either one to live there. TDe..you fail to grasp the voracious appetites of governments, particularly the current crop. Remember the taxes levied for stadium construction that were supposed to lapse? That was our assurance…guess what? The state wants to extend them. Give the state an income tax…they will promise anything to get it..like no state sales tax? In five years…geez..a 2% sales tax is so small..then it becomes 3, 5, 7 etc. Then we stick it to visitors with car rental fees, hotel surcharges,.. you can’t give more crack to the addicted…tough love. I give you one Mr James. O’ brian…of Friday Harbor..Wa state Ferry deck hand…the lowest skilled worker possible…the US Navy calls them Boatswains, generally the dumbest of the dumb…very low skill set. Washington state compensated him $132,000 last year. He managed to use travel to and from his work sites to parlay over 75,000 in travel pay… Gregoire defending the taxpayer? We have a bloated, wasteful, inattentive governance that is incapable of self reform.
June 23, 2011 at 5:32 am #727418
hooper1961Memberthe tuition increase hits the middle class hard (make a bit too much to get help but not enough to afford the tuition) and to see 5% (~$50/month) shifted to pay for other students is unjust burden on parents struggling to pay tuition for their own kid(s).
June 23, 2011 at 5:44 am #727419
kootchmanMemberAh…who needs college anyway…just a union card and employment by the state..
June 23, 2011 at 5:58 am #727420
kootchmanMemberdatamuse…true enough..but we got a pig in the poke. The message being sent to the state, city, county is… you need to cut back and retrench and share the burden equally with a very strapped taxpayer..sadly these capital construction projects do have first claim… but irregardless, with an official unemployment rate of 9.1 % and an effective rate in excess of 14%…you can’t take the last drop of blood. You all seem to forget that the 178 million shortfall expected next year.. is over 2 billion in lost business revenue. The state cannot sustain itself at these levels. We cannot sustain the state at their pre-existing levels of expense. You gotta jump in the life boat and row too.
June 23, 2011 at 6:29 am #727421
TDeParticipantRemember when so many people left Seattle that the sign outside town said something like, Will the last person leaving turn out the lights? Well, we muddled through that tough period and we’ll muddle through this one.
I’ll live with the perceived failure of not understanding the appetites of government, because I so clearly understand the appetites of wealthy mega corporations, their lobbyists and paid political hacks, with every wonderful event they’ve brought us these past few years, as stated by tanyar23. I love this state – with all its wonder and glory, both East and West of the mountains and yes, even its failures. Sorry, but I’m not that unhappy with our state government. Go ahead and row on out of here if you don’t want to get involved or support the services you use on a daily basis. I’ll stick it out and bail water with the citizens who love it here.
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