Uh oh Politics….

[JoB]

i wish i could say that the basic difference between the two candidates is that one thinks this is primarily a nation of people while the other thinks that this is primarily an nation of corporations.

unfortunately, that’s not true.

i get dozens of emails every day telling me that the democratic party thinks the most important issue facing them today is that they are being outspent…

they want my money, but they want corporate money more… and to that end, they are catering to the corporations to get their piece of that campaign dollar pie…

i wish just once I would get an email from President Obama that didn’t ask for money

and made a campaign promise that made sense to me…

nevertheless.. he does recognize that citizens exist

and at least talks like he thinks he should do something to make us want to vote for him.

Romney doesn’t.

he thinks money will buy this election

and pays all of his attention to those who provide big bucks..

no matter how much kootch contributes..

that lets him out

and sooner or later he is going to figure that out.

for our sakes.. let’s hope it isn’t the hard way

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[elikapeka]

Oh, Jan, I’ve been here before. I know all the players. I know it’s pointless to take on Kootchman, but every once in a while I can’t help myself.

Kootch, I “get that stuff” from all kinds of places – all the networks (don’t watch Fox, don’t get MSNBC), Seattle Times, Denver Post, Honolulu Star Advertiser, Salon, HuffPost, Las Vegas Sun, Politico, Reuters, New York Times, Washington Post, and the odd link I come across. Sources change. So you can have your opinion about Bain and I’ll have mine. It’s a reasonably well-informed one.

And Romney and the dog is not a reason I won’t vote for him. It’s one of many things that have formed my overall impression about the guy, which is not a favorable one. Back to what DP originally said that I was responding to, I don’t think he’s a particularly good man. And that’s why I won’t vote for him.

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[JoB]

elikapedia..

it’s all in your definition of “good” isn’t it.

we are told he’s a “good” Mormon

though i am not sure what that means

we are told he is a “good” businessman but no-one has ever said what it is that he produces except profits

we are told that he was a “good” governor

who now seems to think the “good” things he did were bad

i am pretty sure that kootch thinks Romney’s “good for” ..

“a good man for the job”

but if you drop “for the job” part

who knows how even kootch would grade him

the ability to make profits isn’t the only thing that matters

not even to kootch

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[JanS]

JoB…about a week and a half ago or so, I got more than 30 email requests in less than a day for donations from various people in the DNCC, etc. I was so pissed that I unsubscribed from them all. Not one said anything about what they might do for me. More disillusioning in a disillusioning world

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[JoB]

We need to remind our elected officials who elects them.

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[jamminj]

JanS – yes it gets annoying. The only problem is that GOP followers are sheep and will donate no matter who is running. Their nominees actually say things like “I’m going to shrink government” – and the lemmings fall right in line.

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[HMC Rich]

Dobro, 9th and 10th amendments in the Bill of Rights. Link to the part about the United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_government

Learn about Federalism. This goes to heart of your response. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism#United_States

How about Seperation of Powers …. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers_under_the_United_States_Constitution

From the tenthamendmentcenter.com … In the U.S. the Founders established the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. The result is intentional inefficiency: the three branches are expected to constantly check and balance each other.

Duh, and some of you complain about this. Passing laws, raising taxes, going to war should NOT be easy.

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[HMC Rich]

Glad to be a lemming. Feels good Jamminj. I like it. Been to Wisconsin lately, or where Republicans won in 2010. Their states are thriving compared to the Blue states.

For Dobro, here is a link … http://www.examiner.com/article/new-republican-governors-rapidly-bringing-down-unemployment-their-states

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[redblack]

rich:

The Federal Government was not originally allowed to be this big in the everyday lives of the citizen.

neither were corporations. the federal government needs to be big enough to regulate anything that operates within its borders, and the size of the government is a reflection of the size of the power and commerce that operates within it. by nature – people being what they are – it’s going to be complicated, messy, and somewhat corrupt. as corrupt as the forces operating within its borders, anyway.

sorry, man. reagan and his anti-government rap were the worst thing that ever happened to this country. sure, it’s easy to knock the government and whine about taxes. why? because there’s nothing you can do about the private sector, which is who you’re indebted to.

wake up and smell the coffee. government has been bribed and corrupted? well, who corrupted it? corporations say, “hey, we need an army of lobbyists because we can’t vote.” and they use those clowns to buy the people that we send to D.C. of course, generic politicians in D.C. are guilty, but they’re easy targets, too. low-hanging fruit. you should be looking at where the money that corrupts is flowing from.

careful! it requires some effort, some reflection of who you are as an american voter and consumer, and critical thinking.

red states are thriving? sure, they have some jobs. but compare their average wages, salaries, and benefits packages. and don’t forget the cost of living indexes.

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[kootchman]

That would be like giving a kid an A+ just for handing in a paper, when what he really deserves is a C-. Barely passing.

And you would give him a second chance? Ye gads. that explains so much! way to raise the bar! C- gets him a second term?

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[JanS]

an F got Bush a second term, so why not?

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[JoB]

HMCRich..

“Been to Wisconsin lately, or where Republicans won in 2010. Their states are thriving compared to the Blue states.”

when republican success is reported

that success always reports the financial success of institutions

not the financial success of citizens.

is institutional financial success really the only criteria for measuring the welfare of this nation?

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[miws]

Bush had the big bucks to pay his way back into his “Charter School”….

Mike

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[JoB]

JanS..

and the republicans of this country came together in solidarity to demand that he get a second chance to get it right… because it was always possible that he would.

look where that got us.

thankfully, even without measuring Obama against Bush..

objectively, he still rates at least a solid C :)

some might say he did much better than that given the cooperation he got from attempting bipartisanship.

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[365Stairs]

I am not concerned about either candidates wealth – both are much richer than I will ever be. Both achieved their wealth in different ways and likely all done legally and with all the best of intentions. Good for them. They will continue to get rich – because they are both smart.

I am not even that concerned (anymore) about the truth stretching and/or generalities about the state of the nation. Exaggerations or even mis-truths and half truths are what all political folks do to get votes. I am not even sure either believes in what they are saying or being told to say so much as ensuring they say it right, on cue, and with conviction to a crowd.

What I am concerned about is a solid sustainable plan. Both of these rich, smart, and successful gentlemen have to show me a plan.

Our President’s plan better be a revision of his original plan – because Hope & Change only got the crowds to show up…and Whining & Complaining aint working…While the R’s deny deny deny bills for whatever reason (up to and including they just don’t like the guy)…he knew on day one his plans were going to face scrutiny more than any other president’s plans. He needs to be a stronger president in both voice and action. No more promises. Present a new 4 year plan that shows reality…and don’t tell me what you have done (insert get Bin Laden)…You should have done all those things…its your job.

Mr. Romney has it easy…all he has to do is squawk about opposing everything the president does.. but he’s yet to present a detailed plan that we can see. He simply says I will repeal the healthcare law and Obama’s plan isn’t working. Thats it.

Stop all the talk about Bain. Stop all the talk about being Mormon. Stop all the talk about how they made their money. Definitely stop all the talk about inheriting crap from Bush. None of this matters anymore and it’s distracting from real progress our nation needs. There is enough noise already. “Just the facts…”

Both are real Americans who are apparently are the two best choices out there to represent this great nation and our best interests.

I wish there was a candidate who could rightly shake hands with everyone, look them in the eye, speak the truth, and not just want my vote..but assure me it was going to be ok because they have a solid plan…

But I will stop wishing…I am just plain asking now.

As for the 100 Senators and 435 Reps and 20,000 lobbyists who actually get a say in how this plan unfolds…please listen to your people and stop lining your pockets with loop holes and pork that muddy progress!

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[JoB]

365stairs

a plan would be good.

one that included the welfare of American citizens would be better.

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[redblack]

365:

Definitely stop all the talk about inheriting crap from Bush. None of this matters anymore and it’s distracting from real progress our nation needs.

no. not only no, but hell no.

it does matter, because what everyone thinks willard romney wants to do (because he won’t come out and give a firm position on anything) will be similar in nature, especially when it comes to foreign policy. definitely when it comes to the economy: low taxes, little regulation, damn the working class’s economic parity and full steam ahead. it’s important to point out that bush’s policies – if not the man himself – accelerated the country’s recent decline in prosperity for the middle class and working poor, which began with voodoo economics in the ’80’s. i believe, as do many others, that obama has slowed that decline, and that it could have been far worse.

could it have been better? maybe. but, to me, it’s doubtful. see, republicans like to pretend that they would have done things way differently that obama did coming out of the ’08 crash. but they never say what it is.

i agree that this isn’t about the people themselves, but it is about their policies. and willard romney’s policies smell a lot like george w. bush’s: a little funky, like something going over in the bottom of the vegetable drawer.

and if you liked the iraq II war, you’re gonna love willard romney. he’s getting bush’s foreign policy crew back together. next stop? tehran!

whining and complaining? that’s congressional republicans’ job. i don’t think obama’s team whines and complains. i see an executive branch that is trying to fight with both hands tied behind its back. and when obama does get off an occasional executive order or recess appointment, listen to the republican caterwaul. i understand that they want obama to be an impotent one-termer, and they love to paint him in those terms. but i think obama has other ideas about that, and that’s certainly not the vibe i get from our president.

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[JV]

Redblack, Hussein Obama has shown that he is incapable of getting anything positive accomplished, because he is a community organizer who is good at giving speeches (reading a TelePrompTer) and a great campaigner. That’s all.

He is worthless as a leader, because his whole gig is victim-politics, opposing big this, big that, down with “the man” type of ideology. Problem is, now that he is “The Man” people expect him to fix things, and he has no idea how to do it.

He has never even managed a lemonaide stand, and you people expect him to fix the economy?? He made his money by being in Chicago politics, and writing two books about his favorite subject, HIMSELF…before the age of 45!!

To say that he is Jimmy Carter would be an insult to Jimmy Carter…and Carter was worthless!

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[JanS]

so, JV, do you not consider how just calling him “Hussein” to make a point, really makes a point about you?

Government is not a business, a corporation, or anything close to a business. The same rules do not apply that might apply to a business, that is there to make a profit.

Carter may not have been the best president? But worthless? That man is worth more than you might ever hope to be.

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[JV]

JanS, glad to see that you chose to defend Carter instead of Obama. Good choice.

And the Hussein comment was a reference to Redblack who always calls Romney “Willard”. (maybe you missed that) It doesn’t bother me, I just think it is funny that when it goes the other way, you whine about it.

Ain’t gonna be very many dogs voting for Rmoney!

Mike

And probably even fewer voting for Obsama!  (playing with names is fun!, eh MIWS!)

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[JanS]

wow…you get a zing in wherever you can, don’t you? lol..

So, Mitt Romney’s first name is Willard. Pres. Obama’s first name is Barack. Yet, you call him by his middle name. Why don’t you call him Barack? Oh, I can imagine why not. It doesn’t have as much impact, does it? One of these things is not like the other, huh..remember that old song?

And playing with Obama’s name , to tie him in with Osama bin Laden? not exactly like tying Romney in with his money, of which he has a lot. It’s kinda dumb, and puts you in the category of southern Tea Party ignoramouses. I’m not saying that all Tea Party members are ignoramouses, either…just a select few.

I would like to think that we, you, I, others on here, are way more intelligent than that, above that sort of thing.

When Barack Obama was running for president, there was a local businessman who blatantly compared Obama to Hitler. Many of us have boycotted his rather expensive business since then. Because it was not cool…and didn’t exactly put that businessman in a good light.

I don’t use the play on words thing, and I don’t particularly care for it, but that’s just me. I call Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney, I call Obama President Obama.

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[JV]

JanS,

Are you now defending name calling toward Romney on its merits, yet still whining about it when the game gets rough? I’m just pointing out hypocracy when I see it. You tend to ignore it when it comes from the Leftists on this blog…or maybe your comments were also directed to Mike and Redblack.

Let me check…nope.

As you say, it’s kinda dumb and makes you look like a hypocrite. A hypocrite who is losing credibility with every post.

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[miws]

I can’t speak for Redblack, but I do believe his calling Romney “Willard”, can not only be attributed to the fact that it’s actually his first name, as Jan pointed out, but also perhaps in response to kootch frequently referring to Obama as “Hussein”.

Mike

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[JoB]

Mr Romney chooses to call himself by his middle name, Mitt

probably because he is not so pleased with Willard.

It’s a personal choice.

but a bit of an affectation in a presidential candidate.

most of my friends call me jo

works for me

i never much liked joanne

i have always thought mom should have named me josephine ann instead of the the trendy nickname

but that pales in comparison to Agnes

the given name of both of my grandmothers

and my middle name

i can’t imagine what i would do if i were tagged with Barak for a first name and Hussein for a second…

probably call myself Barry like he did before he manned up to his name to enter politics.

When Mr Rmoney is called Willard it calls attention to his affectation in calling himself by his middle name.

When Mr Obama is called Hussein it calls attention to his father’s muslim heritage.

Mr Romney’s affectation is something he has complete control over. He could just man up to Willard.

Mr Obama’s parentage is another matter.

Calling attention to it is racism…

and that’s unacceptable.

That JV is the difference.

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[JanS]

JV..again, a condescending term “whining”. You really can’t say much without getting some sort of zinger in, can you? Just an observation…

now…where did I defend name calling exactly…?

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