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June 22, 2015 at 5:27 am #817756
pelicansParticipantHas summer started too early this year or is it just me? I miss the rain already and it’s not even July 4th! A good read is Tom Eagan’s “The Good Rain.”
June 22, 2015 at 5:29 am #825118
pelicansParticipantCorrection to my last…Tim Egan. Great Northwest writer.
June 22, 2015 at 2:33 pm #825119
anonymeParticipantpelicans, I’m with you. In addition, I work as a gardener, and plants are already as parched and stressed as they would be in August. Our drought season used to last about 6 weeks, from mid-July through August. Now it’s not unusual to have 3 or more months of drought each year. A good rain would be oh so welcome.
June 22, 2015 at 3:02 pm #825120
BonnieParticipantI thought it was going to rain on Friday and it didn’t. I was disappointed. Our grass is so brown.
June 22, 2015 at 3:10 pm #825121
JoBParticipantI am enjoying the early harvest but not the stressed plants
June 22, 2015 at 4:44 pm #825122
anonymeParticipantEven plants that are drought-tolerant can go just so long without water. I feel guilty about all the extra water being used, but what’s to be done? Can’t just let all the plants die. Might be time to buy a cistern or two.
No rain in sight for the foreseeable future…
June 22, 2015 at 5:41 pm #825123
GinaParticipantIf you have ever wondered why there are so many old overgrown evergreen plants and beauty barked yards, the weather cycle we are in currently is the reason. When you watch the weather on the news, take a look at historic highs and lows on the current date. One hopes that City Light doesn’t tell us to not have Christmas lights.
June 22, 2015 at 5:50 pm #825124
JoBParticipanti have already installed one rain barrel and have a few more ready to install after i do some roofline work to keep the rats out..
but mother nature has not seen fit to fill them.
i may start carrying my bath water out in buckets after all
June 22, 2015 at 10:59 pm #825125
JanSParticipantand starting this coming weekend (Pirate’s Landing), upper 80’s to 90’s through the 4th of July and beyond? Are fireworks stands open yet? Keep your hoses handy, for sure..
climate change deniers are still out there…have been here for over 40 years, and the last few years, it’s creeped on us more and more each year. Anyone remember the June Gloom?
June 22, 2015 at 11:17 pm #825126
JanSParticipantJune 22, 2015 at 11:47 pm #825127
PangolinPieParticipantJanS, based on sounds around my neighborhood, yes, unfortunately the fireworks stands are open. I love the hot weather, don’t love having to water constantly, and get a little irritated by premature explosions scaring my kitty. :)
June 23, 2015 at 12:05 am #825128
SmittyParticipant“climate change deniers are still out there..
How is it that “deniers” get ridiculed for making a big deal about a midwest snowstorm in May but “believers” can use things like this three-week run of early summer as proof positive? Is it weather, or climate? Let’s at least be consistent.
Also, I don’t think anyone denies that the climate is changing. The question is how much is man affecting it****.
**** Yes I know, it’s proven/settled/agreed upon by 97%, blah, blah, blah….
June 23, 2015 at 12:22 am #825129
JanSParticipanthey…I didn’t say it was proof positive….I’m just posting info…take it for what it’s worth. You are younger than me, so maybe don’t remember the June Gloom…where it rained, sometimes poured all June… and the legend of July 5 was born…
you don’t have to agree with anything…maybe it’ll rain all July and August…but somehow, I doubt it.
Did you read the KOMO article about burn bans, how dry things are, etc. And already with forest fires on the Olympic Peninsula, in the Cascades? You are most welcome to refute all of that…links, please…
June 23, 2015 at 12:50 am #825130
GinaParticipantYou mean Juneuary? As in last year?
June 23, 2015 at 1:06 am #825131
JanSParticipantlol..Gina…am old…forgetful…and then July happened, and here we are…. Who knows, it may snow all winter (heaven forbid)…and everyone will say…see? it’s snowing, no way is the climate getting warmer ;-)
June 23, 2015 at 1:37 am #825132
JoBParticipantThe recent fire on the rooftop of one of our local apartment buildings was caused by smokers stashing their buts in planters with wood chip mulch.
be careful out there
June 23, 2015 at 1:39 am #825133
JoBParticipantSmitty..
instead of arguing about what is causing climate change it would be smarter to start coming up with solutions.
the science is in and regardless of what you believe is causing climate change man is accelerating the process.
therefore.. man needs to do something to slow things down.. now..
June 25, 2015 at 9:09 pm #825134
SmittyParticipantSo, the “science is in” now, right? Those stupid scientists in the 70’s! Wonder if we’ll be saying that about the current crop?
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (The Portsmouth Times, ‎September 11, 1972‎)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (The Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Beginning of new ice age (The Canberra Times, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, ‎September 12, 1972‎)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1973)
1973 – ‘Man-made Ice Age’ Worries Scientists (The Free Lance-Star, June 22, 1973)
1973 – Fear Of Man-made Ice Age (The Spartanburg Herald, June 28, 1973)
1973 – Possibility Of Ice Age Worries The Scientists (The Argus-Press, November 12, 1973)
1974 – New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 – Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 – 2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 – Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 – Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, ‎December 4, 1974‎)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel, ‎December 5, 1974‎)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1979 – The Sixth Winter [Book] (John R. Gribbin, 1979)
1979 – The New Ice Age Cometh (The Age, January 16, 1979)
1979 – Ice Age Building Up (Daily Record, June 5, 1979)
1979 – Large Glacial Buildup Could Mean Ice Age (Daily Chronicle, June 5, 1979)
1979 – Ice Age On Its Way (Lewiston Morning Tribune, June 7, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
June 25, 2015 at 10:03 pm #825135
anonymeParticipanthttp://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
The warming trend didn’t actually begin until the late 70’s and early 80’s. But seriously, the debate on the existence and cause of climate change is OVER. The big question now is how long before the human species becomes extinct.
June 25, 2015 at 11:29 pm #825136
SmittyParticipant“The warming trend didn’t actually begin until the late 70’s and early 80’s.”
That’s the point.
The debate was “over” that things were getting cooler right before they did the opposite. Are the scientists of today THAT much smarter than scientists of the 70’s who predicted global cooling?
June 26, 2015 at 12:30 am #825137
anonymeParticipantThe point is that the trend was toward cooling before the man-made warming trend began to take effect in earnest. It’s not that one view was wrong. It’s like saying that the traffic report was wrong when it said the bridge was clear, right before a semi tipped over.
I also actually read several of the articles that you referenced, and I saw nothing that said the debate was over regarding cooling. Most of the articles refer to the same study. In fact, several expressed concern that there could be much more rapid climate change than had previously been thought possible – and that the change could go either way. One trend does not negate the other, and science, by definition, is constantly evolving.
But as I said, climate change is no longer the biggest threat to humanity, although it does play a role. Mass extinction has also been upon us for awhile, and we’re on the list.
Anyway, returning to the original topic – I think I’d prefer some frigid temps over what’s coming in the next week – which is probably a weather event, despite the appearance of a trend.
June 26, 2015 at 3:21 am #825138
redblackParticipantaaand back to the subtopic:
let’s try an analogous experiment. wrap your house in visqine, then fire up a gas mower in your living room. sure, the CO2 is good for the house plants, and it’s raining upstairs, and there’s a little snow in the basement.
but what about the CO and airborne metals, which are resultant from burning fossil fuels in a closed room?
my point is that whether or not climate change is man-made or caused by other forces, is it not wise to *not* exacerbate the situation? especially with fuel that has known limited quantities?
nonetheless, i’d be happy with flowers on my tomato plants. the typical plant-around-mother’s-day rule of thumb didn’t apply this year.
June 26, 2015 at 2:49 pm #825139
JoBParticipantsmitty
it’s not that the scientists today are so much smarter
it’s that they have so much more evidence now.
but lets be real.. scientists knew we had a problem by the late 70s…
google Jimmy Carter… we were on the road until Ronnie took the solar panels off the White House.
it turns out that wasn’t that smartest move../
but then neither was trickle down economics
June 26, 2015 at 2:51 pm #825140
JoBParticipantredblack..
i have flowers and fruit on my tomatoes that produce larger fruit but limited flowers and no fruit on the cherry varieties.
this happened to me one year in Minnesota when i planted them in too much sun next to the reflected heat from a driveway.
i still have hope but not much fruit yet
June 26, 2015 at 5:57 pm #825141
waynsterParticipantI still think a first annual neked tomato fight in the junction would be fun would be fun….. :o)
lmao……
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