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January 19, 2009 at 3:52 pm #655351
Kayleigh2MemberI tried to edit my post, but couldn’t figure out how.
Just wanted to add I mean no disprespect to the baby boomer generation–there’s good and bad in every generation. It’s gratifying, though, to see a slice of my reality represented in our country’s leadership. My world is so dramatically different from that of my parents. And just as I imagine baby boomers were gratified when JFK took over….well, I think it’s a similar feeling.
January 19, 2009 at 4:10 pm #655352
mom2sorenMemberObama’s style of leadership definitely represents a new generation, a baby boomer-generation X hybrid thing. He is grounded in traditional values and examples the independence, optimism, economic thrift, and educated decision-making skills of the baby boomers. Yet he also embraces the genX trends of utilizing new technology, finding consensus in creative ways, thinking “outside the box”, addressing environmental issues, and general coolness!
January 19, 2009 at 5:43 pm #655353
JoBParticipantI became curious about the controversy that won’t die.. is Obama a natural born citizen?
There have been 31 lawsuits to date filed about this question.. one of which is alleged to be scheduled to hit the Supreme court docket two days after the inauguration (according to a request for the Supreme Court to recuse themselves from swearing him in… although this allegation didn’t detail what aspect of this question the supposed case examines).
They center on several claims…
that the birth certificate for Obama’s birth in Hawaii is a fraud… that he was actually born in Kenya.
That his mother gave up her US citizenship when she married her second (? … her marriage Barak’s father may not have been legal) husband and took Barak with her to Indonesia. (this claim cites school records in Indonesia which claim Barak is Indonesian and muslim but which also claim he was born in Hawaii.)
and that not only did she fail to make an oath of allegiance upon resuming her US citizenship, Barak failed to do so when he turned 18.
Snopes says the rumors fail the test of truth.
But that has never stopped the republican rumor mill… If you can’t beat them.. smear them… maybe you can still beat them. and if you can’t.. slander them…
as in the claim that the excitement about Obama is cultish… that Obama is claiming more power as president than he is due…
LOL.. if you have any sense of humor at all this is really rich.
I would like to point out the George Bush waltzed his way into the presidency by manipulating the supreme court to make a political decision (acknowledged by Sandra Day O Conner in her autobiography) to end the ballot count in Florida.
To this day we don’t know who won that election.
And his second election doesn’t really stand up to the truth test either if any of the evidence of irregularities in both Florida and Iowa are any indication.
I suspect we will never know who would have won that election either…
There is no question that Barack Obama won this election.. fair and square…
Had there been any validity to the claim that he was not eligible to run, the democratic party itself would have disqualified him…
Is anyone seriously alleging with a straight face and a clear conscience that a constitutional scholar of renown is incapable of figuring out whether his birth and multicultural upbringing meets the test of law or of providing the documents necessary to prove his point when challenged?
and as for that power thing… i suppose it does seem irrational in view of the past 8 years that an American president would be enthusiastically welcomed to the presidency… but that is what happens when there is absolutely no question about the validity of an election… especially in light of the cloud of doubt and shame that lingered after the last two presidential elections.
I find the allegations of intended presidential hubris especially ironic in view of George Bush’s disdain for the law he was sworn to uphold.. his abuse of presidential signing statements alone was unprecedented… not to mention the liberties he took with every government agency… or the lies propagated by United States Government agencies in his behalf on far more issues than weapons of mass destruction…
Let’s get a grip here.
Barack Hussein Obama won the presidency of the United States in a fair and free election. He will become the next President tomorrow at noon.
He is so popular that everyone wants to claim him as one of their own.. regardless of the niggling facts standing in the way…
There is no last minute republican caped crusader flying in at the last minute to restore republican rule.
Even if.. in the best case republican fantasy… Obama was not able to complete his office.. the Presidency would fall to Joe Biden.. and then successively down the line to Democratic leaders.
It’s time to retire the pitchforks and come to the party.
You don’t have to attend if you don’t want to… but you might as well accept the fact that there is nothing you can say that will destroy the well earned jubilation of a President who was elected in spite of the political manipulation of his own party.
If any politician in this day and age can claim a grass roots basis to his election.. this one can.
If you can’t bring yourselves to be part of the solution for the problems facing our nation right now.. it would be a good thing to get out of the way of those who not only can bring themselves to contribute…. but who are knocking down all barriers to do so.
January 20, 2009 at 1:23 am #655354
HMC RichParticipantI am a year younger than Obama. I do not consider myself a baby boomer nor a gen-x’er. I consider myself a syndication kid. That’s right. When I came home from grade school and turned on the tv when the weather was bad, syndicated shows like Star Trek, Hogan’s Heroes, and Gilligan’s Island were in first run syndication. On second thought I am a Shatner generationalist. Shields Up. Fire Photon Torpedoes!!
There is huge difference between someone born in 1946 and 1962 (or 61 if your speaking about Obama.)
This birth certificate issue is silly. Everyone knows Obama was born on Melmac. Why do you think they are going to get a dog. They eat cats. This is as dumb as the Bush National Guard issue or Clinton saying he didn’t inhale.
Most Republicans want Obama to succeed. Our lives kind of depend on it. What Republicans need to do is have better ideas for the future. Obama has a mighty wind at his back. Let’s hope it doesn’t stink.
Seriously. Tomorrow is a wonderful day for our nation. Although many say the Civil War was a war of secession the underlying tone that was not answered by the founding fathers was slavery. Abe Lincoln and all the people involved in that horrible but necessary war have given this country a gift that shall endure. What a long and hard fight it has been to grow and overcome such adversity. We are a young nation still with much to learn. We have had hardships in the past and måany more in the future. The debt of gratitude I feel for the men and women of our past is great. Tomorrow America needs to be and will be proud. I know I will be that much more proud to be an American. Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
Now, listen up my new lefty pals. George Bush won the last two elections. Get over it. It is history. This sour grapes thing has turned wine (or should I say whine) into vinegar. Both sides can point at the problems. Time for solutions. Maybe yours will work better and I hope it does, but I already see waste in the new stimulus package.
My party (the Republicans) did some really stupid things the last 6 to 10 years in the Congress. They lost their way. Conservative became moderates. No became Yes or kind of. The best thing that could have happened to the Republican party (not to republicans though) is that they lost the last two elections and new blood and ideas need to come into the fray. Obama and more importantly the Democratic Party has 3 to 4 years to prove that their way of doing things is better. The democratic held congress has had two years and failed for the most part. The public is patient to a point but if we are in a recession for four more years, the Republicans will be elected back into power. Mind your P’s and Q’s. You guys had better get it right if you do not want that to happen.
I find it ironic that the men Obama sites, Lincoln and FDR, as truly inspirational are also men who had to put the Constitution aside. I hope we do not have to do that again in our future. He has a great responsibility ahead of him. I hear all kinds of complaining that W has stepped all over our rights. I do not know of anyone who has been ripped out of their homes and thrown into internment camps like FDR did. I don’t think any journalists or politicians were sequestered or thrown into jail like Lincoln did. Come on lets work together where we can.
JoB, I will for a time set my pitchfork in the corner of my garage. It will be available if I need it. It is actually blue and not red. Obama can claim a grass roots basis. I actually have a couple of things in common with him. Sarah Palin could also claim that too but she isn’t being installed as the next President is she.
PS – My toddler just woke up. His mum asked him what he dreamed about. Holding his teddy bear he said…”Trucks” God Bless our little ones. Lets get it right for them.
January 20, 2009 at 1:39 am #655355
KenParticipantummmm Wes…
You’re an admitted member of a heretical cult and suggesting those who voted for Obama are “cultist?
Well I guess you’re the expert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aimee_Semple_McPherson
I see the wingnuts are out tonight. I will have a goodbye GWB thread ready in a bit so you can cry about all the damage left undone to the republic, the economy and the New Deal.
January 20, 2009 at 2:17 am #655356
pigeonmomParticipantHMC Rich, love the Alf reference! LOLZ
January 20, 2009 at 2:51 am #655357
WesMemberAs always Ken, God Bless you. I follow Jesus, not Aimee, but I doubt you would believe me. I thank God for you Ken!
January 20, 2009 at 2:52 am #655358
WesMemberHMC Rich, thank you for your post.
January 20, 2009 at 3:03 am #655359
CaitParticipantHMC – it’s always a pleasure. I finally got over my sour grapes (seeing that they were the first elections I was able to vote in, I was a little more jaded than most) but you’re right. It’s done. And I think tomorrow will be a really galvanizing experience for most of America. I can’t wait… I like to think that I would have been just as excited if I had voted for McCain.
January 20, 2009 at 4:08 am #655360
AnonymousInactiveKayleigh2 wrote:
“one of Obama’s best qualities from my perspective is that he is NOT a baby boomer”
The U.S. Census Bureau considers those born 1946-1964 to be baby boomers. Mr. Obama was apparently born in 1961, so by the U.S. Census Bureau’s definition, Mr. Obama is a baby boomer.
As I said before, I have noticed recent media attempts to portray Mr. Obama as being the first post baby boomer President (I read the articles at the URLs you provided… thank you).
Whether or not one feels/acts one’s age, the baby boomers’ birth years have been known for decades, and if Mr. Obama was born in 1961, then he is a baby boomer.
January 20, 2009 at 4:19 am #655361
GenHillOneParticipant*kicks to be sure the horse is still dead*
Yup! Okay, since we were in high school at the same time, I consider him to be MY generation too and I don’t want to be labeled either a boomer or an x-er. Actually, I don’t really want to be labeled at all. All aboard the express :)
January 20, 2009 at 4:50 am #655362
JoBParticipanti’ve always enjoyed being a fringe element myself:)
January 20, 2009 at 5:01 am #655363
HMC RichParticipantIt is midnight back east. Have a wonderful Inaugural Tuesday everyone. See ya.
January 20, 2009 at 5:38 am #655364
AnonymousInactiveGenHillOne wrote:
“*kicks to be sure the horse is still dead*”
If by the above you agree that Barack Obama is a baby boomer, then thank you. Please also consider that modern mainstream media may have biases.
January 20, 2009 at 6:14 am #655365
JoBParticipantScottB..
by definition, Obama is a baby boomer…
unfortunately any definition which attempts to encompass more than one generation of people is unlikely to to illuminate anything more than the defintion:(
January 20, 2009 at 12:55 pm #655366
Kayleigh2MemberScott, Obama is not a baby boomer. It’s bizarre to me that you would let a number define someone that way.
I’m also sorry that you don’t appear to have read the comments that some of us have made about how culturally and in terms of shared experiences, he bears the marks of a Generation Xer. I don’t see any baby boomer at all in him(he is mercifully free of hippy indulgence, at the very least.)
I won’t repeat what I’ve said here, but I would submit to you that the census bureau does not define him or any of us.
I’m proud to be a Gen Xer and I’m thrilled Obama is my president.
Now I’m going to work out and enjoy this amazing, remarkable day. :-)
January 21, 2009 at 9:38 am #655367
AnonymousInactiveKayleigh2 wrote:
“Obama is not a baby boomer.”
Complain to the U.S. Census Bureau, not me.
“…the baby boomers, the generation born between 1946 and 1964…”
January 21, 2009 at 10:31 am #655368
HMC RichParticipantKayleigh2, accept it. He is a baby boomer. So am I although I don’t feel like it. He and I might be a baby boom(box)er.
Although he may not fit the stereotype, he has that label attached to him. I’m thinking you don’t like labels. I never liked being called a baby boomer either. But Hey, I can say I’m in the same group as THE DONALD, CHER, or Sly Stallone. Somehow that doesn’t give me much comfort.
January 21, 2009 at 1:39 pm #655369
Kayleigh2MemberObama. Is. Not. A. Baby. Boomer.
His election marks the END of the Baby Boomer ERA. The END, not the continuation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090111/ap_on_el_pr/obama_bye_bye_boomers
Shared experiences of boomers that Obama shares: Vietnam–NO Watergate–NO Summer of love–NO Kennedy era—NO Civil rights struggles–NO Rebellion against the 50s—NO Marriage to ideology—NO Indulgence and drugs—NO
Shared experiences of Gen X that Obama shares: Child of divorce—YES Search for identity—YES feeling separarate—YES Global perspectives—YES pragmatism over ideology—YES
I continue to argue this point because if you don’t get that Obama is a new generation, you won’t get what America is becoming.
January 21, 2009 at 5:49 pm #655370
AnonymousInactivekayleigh, that was a perfect article to highlight your thoughts.
“Obama is one of those people who was raised post-Vietnam and really came of age in the ’80s,” says Steven Cohen, professor of public administration at Columbia University. “It’s a huge generational change, and a new kind of politics.”
It’s obvious you’re speaking about the description of boomers, not the specific date. Some need to WIN a literal argument. Let them. They’ll just be a part of those left behind.
January 21, 2009 at 5:59 pm #655371
JenVMemberObama is part of “Generation Jones” – my BF is the same age as Obama, and never saw himself as a “boomer” – that’s more my parents generation.
January 21, 2009 at 6:45 pm #655372
JoBParticipantBarak Obama is the result of his multicultural upbringing by a highly educated idealistic mother who believed in the value of discipline instilled in her by her parents countered by the stability in his teens of his conservative grandparents…
combined with a brilliant and disciplined mind and the need to over excell to belong…
if that describes you.. then you are like Obama…
Claiming that someone raised in the circumstances he was raised in is a member of any cultural subgroup stratified by age and experience is really an exercise in futility…
Barak Obama does not share any generational background… he really doesn’t fit into any of the generational or cultural stereotypes because he spent his early childhood where he wasn’t exposed to the cultural memories of his generation.
He literally wasn’t shaped by the same cultural forces that shaped those who share his age bracket…
perhaps the unique perspective he has gained searching for his own personal sense of belonging in a world shaped by early influences he has only read about… is what makes him so appealing to all generations…
January 21, 2009 at 6:45 pm #655373
Kayleigh2MemberJT ‘-) The need to be right…I resemble that remark…hmmm…
And stop expressing preferences, wouldja? Only certain ones are allowed. *stern face*
January 21, 2009 at 6:51 pm #655374
Kayleigh2MemberOMG…LOL.
January 21, 2009 at 7:24 pm #655375
JoBParticipantif you honestly believe that anyone is going to be left behind..
you really have missed Obama’s point.
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