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August 26, 2015 at 8:47 pm #818288
JanSParticipantI definitely have opinions about it. Those who know me on here probably know what they are already. I am interested in what other West Seattleites are opining about it, Share your thoughts :) Thanks !
August 26, 2015 at 8:50 pm #827143
JanSParticipantlove him or hate him, here’s Paul Krugman’s take on salon.com
August 26, 2015 at 10:30 pm #827144
JoBParticipanti try not to think about trump
August 26, 2015 at 11:09 pm #827145
maplesyrupParticipantSince I’m a non-Republican, I am enjoying the circus. There’s no way he would get elected as President so I don’t see a whole lot of downside to the mess he’s making.
August 26, 2015 at 11:50 pm #827146
metrognomeParticipantmy favorite quote about this whole fiasco is from Megyn Kelly, who said shortly after the debate, “If he can’t deal with me, how’s he going to handle Putin?” (paraphrasing, but that’s pretty close.)
bottom line is that La Donald’s behavior has pretty much assured that the Dems will win the presidential election whether it is Hillary, Bernie or Joe and likely will improve their standing in Congress. Besides the damage he is doing to the R’s already poor standing with Hispanics and women, the crossfire twitsnit between him and Bush00 about ‘anchor babies’ is costing them the Asian-American vote.
He has already pretty much torpedoed Scott Walker’s chances by violating Reagan’s 11th Commandment and pointing out what a shambles the Wisconsin economy is in under Walker’s crippling budget initiatives. None of the other 15 GOOP hopefuls really stood a chance before La Donald declared his candidacy anyway.
Besides, once La Trumpet figures out how much of his personal fortune he will likely lose if he is elected POTUS and his assets go into a blind trust, he will drop out.
Let’s imagine what would happen IF he is elected …
‘Hail To The Chief’ will be replaced by ‘Donald, Donald, La Prima Donald’ (sung to the tune of Dion’s song with a very similar name. If you slightly modify the lyrics, it is eerie how well they fit this situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k679WKSwRE);
The White House will be renamed Trump Palace and slot machines will be installed in the lobby. The Trump brand will appear in 10′ tall, gold-plated letters above the portico;
Air Force One will be renamed Trump Force One and will be completely refitted in luxurious style. The press section will be substantially reduced to accommodate the two journalists La Donald still considers acceptable. The remaining space will be turned into a gigantic closet for his wife’s clothes.
August 27, 2015 at 1:03 am #827147
waynsterParticipantSpeaking of the Donald and presidential elections…hehehehe
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2015/08/11
August 27, 2015 at 2:33 am #827148
TanDLParticipantI’m baffled at the Christian believers who support him!
August 27, 2015 at 3:06 am #827149
JTBParticipantI think it’s a mistake to dismiss Trump whether or not you think he can’t get elected.
He knows how to play to the angry,anxious white middle class that knows they have been played for suckers by the GOP.
It’s instructive to see how easy it is for a clever demagogue to generate a serious response.
As to any Democratic being a shoe-in against him, the potential for the critical Black vote to be very low in 2016 is real. BLM is simply the most obvious expression of how fed up African Americans are with the failure of liberal Democrats to affect systemic racism.
In some ways, Trump v. Sanders would be a contest representing the real divisions in the population rather than the established party figures who manipulate and exploit those divisions for the simple goal of staying in power.
August 27, 2015 at 7:50 am #827150
JanSParticipantJTB…thanks. I keep saying that no one should ASSume that the Donald won’t/couldn’t possibly win. There is a whole section of ignorani out there just supporting/following the hell outta this guy. We can’t be complacent…that leads to..oh, no way he can win…to low voter turnout…and ..voila…Reagan all over again.
And Trump scares the crap out of me…as do his followers…education is everything, it seems…and they don’t have it :-
August 27, 2015 at 10:10 am #827151
maplesyrupParticipantEspecially at the national level, the modern political process would eviscerate Trump. I’d bet my house he’d never be president and I’m not a gambling type.
August 27, 2015 at 1:36 pm #827152
SmittyParticipantHe won’t get my vote, BUT I do appreciate the way he doesn’t bend to political correctness or attempts at “shaming”. Those things have gone WAY over the top.
It also doesn’t hurt when he calls out the media (both the LMSM and Conservative media) on their attempts to expedite his demise.
The latest attempt by the former Univision anchor is case in point. Reporters are turning into advocates.
Murrow would be ashamed.
August 27, 2015 at 2:17 pm #827153
anonymeParticipantI agree with what Smitty said in his first paragraph.
The Donald is a narcissistic, sexist lunatic completely unfit to represent our country on any level. That said, he does make some lucid points that are automatically dismissed and attacked due to political incorrectness. What concerns me more than Trump himself is his huge fan following – evidence of an angry, ignorant, and unfit electorate.
August 27, 2015 at 2:24 pm #827154
pugpersonMemberMany people thought Hitler was a bombastic fool, too.
August 27, 2015 at 2:52 pm #827155
KenParticipanthttp://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trump-just-stopped-being-funny-20150821
Those who dismiss The HindenTrump, do not understand the way the average IQ is calculated. There are actually 10% of voters who are actively mentally ill and huge numbers who will not vote for a woman or a “socialist”. I think the statistic is something like 80% of Americans will never read another book after high-school. Those of us old enough to have voted in many past elections, should remember that Reagan was an well known actor, Bush the elder was a professional liar and Bush the younger was an actual idiot and yet…
the evangelical-theocratic/racist/war-profiteer coalition trained to respond to Ad dollars in a predictable way, put them in control. Now we have a chance to see just how many voters think that money is a sign of “Gods favor”.
August 27, 2015 at 2:56 pm #827156
KenParticipantAugust 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm #827157
JTBParticipantA fascinating and depressing element of this whole scenario is the key roll of the media (and Trump’s very deliberate, very adept way of playing it).
Noting that cable news stations, even MSNBC, were interrupting prime time programs to cover his presser and, after a short break, his subsequent speech at a rally, Trump correctly pointed out “It’s because of the ratings.” That’s exactly right.
Then there is the way that Fox was caught unprepared for Donald. Even better than the GOP having to confront that the carefully cultivated beast of anger and resentment isn’t quite so easy to control once it finds a more genuine voice of expression. I confess to partaking in a big gulp of schadenfreude in seeing both of those cynical manipulators at a loss.
August 27, 2015 at 4:00 pm #827158
HuindekmiParticipantTrump will not get the GOP nomination. Once the votes start to be counted in the primaries (almost 6 months from now), Republicans will cast votes for one of the more electable options. Trump might come in 2nd or 3rd, but more than likely he’ll end up as an also ran.
Trump will not launch a third-party candidacy. Apparently, he’s already been in talks with the GOP leadership to ensure that he will sit on the sidelines if he doesn’t win the nomination.
What he will accomplish is significant, however. One of the Republican’s big issues in the last few election cycles has been the need to tack far right to win in the primaries, and then try to come back to the center to win in the general. With Trump getting the lion’s share of the coverage in the primary, we aren’t hearing as much about the far-right panderings from the other candidates. And compared to Trump, anyone else the GOP nominates will seem sane and rational.
Trump is effectively a diversion. He’s a loudmouthed, opinionated jerk that every other GOP candidate can point to and say “Whoa! That’s WAY too extreme! Take it down a notch.”, thereby distancing themselves from the far-right wackos in the party (who will still vote for whoever gets the GOP nomination). Even Walker looks normal compared to Trump, and he’s the type of candidate who is usually getting called out for his far-right policies.
If the Democrats nominate Hillary, who has real electability issues in swing states and with independent voters, and the GOP nominates someone who looks like a centrist compared to Trump, then say hello to the next Republican president.
August 27, 2015 at 4:10 pm #827159
HelperMonkeyParticipantI have little faith in the intelligence of the American voter. Trump is nothing but a reality show and you know how much all the drooling idiots in this country love reality shows. If they vote in Trump we’ll get exactly what we deserve as a country. If I have *one* kind thing to say about candidate Trump is that at least he’s not shoving religious BS down our throats like the rest of the republicans.
August 27, 2015 at 4:41 pm #827160
skeeterParticipantIt’s true, 80% of Americans prefer a reality show to any substantive discussion of issues and ideas. There are a whole lot of dems in swing states earning $13 or $14 an hour who are simply going to love a guy who refuses to eat Oreo cookies if they are made in Mexico.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/08/27/trump-vows-to-stop-eating-oreos-citing-move-to-mexico/
Is Hilary Clinton going to tell voters she refuses to eat Oreo cookies if they are made in Mexico?
Folks, this is going to be an even bigger circus than we think. And the media and voters are going to eat it up (pardon the pun.)
August 27, 2015 at 5:12 pm #827161
wakefloodParticipantBread and Circus for the late stage empire, Skeets. Bread and Circus.
I think Trump is handy for Clinton who gets to try and use her surrogates to make Sanders look as immoderate as Trump, whenever possible. Outlier. Fringe = Scary!
Her goal has always been to look like the wise adult in a room full of whackjobs. The GOP is making this extremely easy.
August 27, 2015 at 6:07 pm #827162
JoBParticipantAugust 27, 2015 at 6:57 pm #827163
wakefloodParticipantHa! She might very well be, JoB. But clever folks tend to focus on out-clevering their competition. And that twists one into some interesting positions. (See Clinton, William J.: NAFTA; Era of Big Gov’t Over; Cutting Welfare, etc.)
Part of the beauty of Sanders is that he tells you upfront what he believes in and positions himself accordingly. He doesn’t have to worry about a poll or looking like he’s squirming to find a rhetorical place to duck and cover.
I suspect that’s some of Trump’s appeal to the Tea Party types. The problem being, his positions are not only politically untenable, they would make things worse or be ineffective.
August 27, 2015 at 8:09 pm #827164
skeeterParticipantHilary may be the smartest in the room. But she’s still a politician. She’s for sale like the rest. She says what she needs to in order to get elected.
Take the TPP. While Sec of State she was for it. Now she’s running for pres and against it. This is why people dislike politicians.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/18284/suddenly-hillary-clinton-is-a-critic-of-the-tpp
I can see the appeal of a candidate who simply says what he thinks. Even if he is a bit of a loud-mouth dufus. As least he’s got a backbone.
August 27, 2015 at 8:32 pm #827165
wakefloodParticipant“…appeal of a candidate who simply says what he thinks.”
Hmmm…does he really think that stuff, Skeets? I’m not sure he has reached his “positions” from any principled thought process but likely more from just “shoot from the hip and rile up the base” type reaction. It just looks like a principled idea because he doesn’t back down.
If asked what he stands for, I’d be tempted – that’s not strong enough – I’d SAY that he’s a rampant ego that has learned that bully-speak gets results from a significant segment of the population. And occasionally, like a broken clock, one or two of his “thoughts” strikes folks as the gritty truth.
August 27, 2015 at 9:02 pm #827166
skeeterParticipantThat’s fair Wake. I don’t follow Trump closely but the little I have heard seems to be him spouting out the first thing that pops into his head.
I suppose that works well on reality TV but would be an embarrassment to the country if he was to do that, say, interacting with other world leaders. We’d all look like a bunch of dolts.
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