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October 21, 2013 at 5:51 pm #609446
HMC RichParticipantAbout the problems with our Government. I am bored and want to stir up the pot. Wakeflood, Dobro, and JoB, don’t let me down.
You know, during the last presidency if any little thing or misstatement happened, you guys were all over it.
Now that your guy is in charge… crickets.
Since the Democrats are the majority power in Washington, there are a couple of items they need to address since it hurts all of us in a bi-partisan fashion.
Lets focus on a couple of things.
The rollout of the healthcare exchanges. Disaster in many states. Sebellius won’t show up for an inquiry with Congress about it either. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143343379804228
Even Consumer Reports who urged patience is saying don’t use it for at least another month. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/21/consumer-reports-dont-even-bother-trying-obamacare/
Debt, debt and more debt. Isn’t it really about time that the Democrats showed some fiscal restraint? You guys took credit for Clinton’s budget balancing. Just think how good your party would look if you actually dropped the debt and brought down the budget deficit. (No double speak like the Prez regarding the Sequestor -He suggested it and them demonized it).
Now, if every U.S. Citizen gives the Gov an extra $53,000 this year, it can be paid off. Here is the link to the debt clock…http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
How about I blame the Boehner and the House. Only the House can authorize spending. Since Boehner became Speaker the National Debt has jumped 3 Trillion. (more under that elitest Pelosi but that is another story). Shame on you Mr. Boehner. Even with the Sequestor!!! http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/under-boehner-debt-3t-under-3-yrs-enough-buy-every-household-3-yrs
I haven’t even mentioned the War in Afghanistan, Declining Race Relations, The Presidents declining numbers in the polls, IRS scandal, NSA eavesdropping and a few other items from “The most transparent administration EVER!”
Anyway, I think I will turn to local politics for a moment and see which Democrat vs Democrat (and one or two socialists) to vote for in the upcoming local elections.
Have a nice day.
October 21, 2013 at 6:02 pm #798918
wakefloodParticipantWait a second. The whackjob right spends the last several DECADES spending billions and 105% of its time willfully, intentionally, and systematically BREAKING gov’t and then complains when things are broken?
There’s a word in your Websters you should check out Rich: Hypocrisy
I’d take the bait more if I thought there was anything more to add and it wasn’t a busy Monday.
Have a glorious week, ya’ll.
October 21, 2013 at 7:43 pm #798919
dobroParticipantI’ll debunk one thing right now and try to get back later.
“The rollout of the healthcare exchanges. Disaster in many states”
Is it any wonder that the states having the biggest problems are the ones whose Republican governors refused to set up their own exchanges or accept Medicaid funds? Instead of, you know, accepting the law of the land and trying to make it work, rather than obstructing it?
Amazingly enough, in states that opted to work with the law and accept funds (like WA) the disaster ratio is much lower. For instance, I enrolled via the wahealthplanfinder.com site and it took me all of 15 minutes. I haven’t chosen a plan yet, but its looking like I’ll save somewhere between 50/150 dollars a month over what I’m now paying. That doesn’t feel disastrous at all to me.
And as a thought experiment, let’s compare these two disasters…
Disaster A) 30-40 million people uninsured, #1 cause of bankruptcy- medical expenses,worst cost/benefit ratio for healthcare in the 1st world.
Disaster B) takes a month or two to work the bugs out of a website. Oh and, by the way, you can apply by phone and mail if you’re having trouble with the website.
October 21, 2013 at 7:46 pm #798920
wakefloodParticipantThat’s good stuff Dobro, as usual. But my guess is that it’s still all noise to those who WANT their gov’t to fail. You know, the party that “loves” America but hates Americans?
October 21, 2013 at 8:39 pm #798921
JanSParticipantdoes anyone recall when Amazon started up? Did it all go smoothly? I’m thinking not. I suppose if people weren’t clamoring to get insurance we wouldn’t be hearing about this particular problem, but they are, and the system is overwhelmed. And they are working overtime to get it fixed. First world problems.
Yes, blame Boehner for a lot of things. And thank you for that. Many others on your side are blaming Obama for just about everything that’s wrong in this country, including the boils on their arses. It gets tiresome. He is not the anti-Christ.
And then there’s crap like this:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/what-inhofe-doesnt-get-about-obamacare
Misinformation abounds, even in those who represent the people…and they’re supposed to be the smart ones (she says snarkily).
I read stuff every day..makes me almost sick to my stomach..
October 21, 2013 at 9:59 pm #798922
dobroParticipant“Just think how good your party would look if you actually dropped the debt and brought down the budget deficit.”
More fact-challenged assertions. Try this on for size (from the CNHI News Service)
“In George W. Bush’s last fiscal year, 2009, the federal budget deficit reached $1.4 trillion, pushed upward by the great recession. The recession also affected Barack Obama’s deficits, especially in the first two years.But it’s most dramatic under Bush, whose deficits soared as the recession set in: $161 billion in FY 2007, $458 billion in 2008, and $1.4 trillion in 2009.
(Federal fiscal years end on Sept. 30 so presidents operate the first nine months of their terms under their predecessor’s budget after being inaugurated in January. Bush’s first nine months were governed by Clinton’s final budget and Obama’s first nine by Bush’s. The same will be true for Obama’s successor.)
Obama’s deficits were never quite that high, starting at $1.29 trillion in fiscal year 2010, rising to $1.3 trillion in 2011, falling in 2012 to $1.08 trillion, and to $973 billion last year. (Source:www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html)
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimates the current year deficit will be $642 billion when the fiscal year ends Monday at midnight. (The deficits include annual interest payments on the national debt.)”
So Obama’s deficit has gone from a high of 1.3 trillion to this fiscal year’s 642 billion. I’m no math wizard, but it looks to me like that’s around half of what it was. Seems like the deficit haters should be happy now.
October 22, 2013 at 12:54 am #798923
JKBParticipantThat’s not quite what the numbers say. Looking through the usgovernmentspending.com data, deficits stay pretty darn consistent from about 1975 to 2008. Then 2009 explodes, tripling the numbers. Since then the numbers have declined, but are still higher than anything before. That’s measuring deficit in absolute terms, or as a percentage of GDP, or as dollars per person.
October 22, 2013 at 1:09 am #798924
dobroParticipantWell,yes. We’re talking about Obama’s portion of the deficit. 2009 was the final fiscal year of Bush’s admin and, yes, the deficit exploded (Thanks a lot, GW). It remained high the next two years as well, but since then the Obama admin has cut it in half. So, no, Obama has not made the deficit worse, he’s made it better. That’s the point.
October 22, 2013 at 1:26 am #798925
dobroParticipant“I haven’t even mentioned the War in Afghanistan”
Haven’t you heard?. Troops home by the end of this year.
“Declining Race Relations”
If true, why would that be Obama’s fault?
“The Presidents declining numbers in the polls”
Since you’re concerned about polls, have you noticed the recent polling on Republicans approval? Not merely declining- off the cliff.
“IRS scandal”
So NOT a scandal that Darrell Issa can’t even drum up a phony hearing on it anymore.
“NSA eavesdropping”
You finally found one I can agree with, altho the programs were started under GWBs admin. Obama has failed to rein them in, tho.
I think that makes you 1 for 7. Got anything else? (Let me guess…Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra)
October 22, 2013 at 1:35 am #798926
Genesee HillParticipantAs soon as I saw HMC Rich on the subject line, I flushed the toilet. And kept flushing it. Dang, my toilet just wore out…
October 22, 2013 at 2:33 am #798927
dobroParticipantOh, one more thing…
“Sebellius won’t show up for an inquiry with Congress about it either.”
More bunk. C’mon, man, you can do better than this. From today’s news…
“Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius is expected to testify next week at a congressional hearing focused on HealthCare.gov, the federal health exchange website for the Affordable Care Act.
The House Energy and Commerce Committee will be investigating the rocky rollout in a hearing Thursday, entitled “PPACA Implementation: Didn’t Know or Didn’t Disclose?” Sebelius will testify before the full committee on Wednesday, Oct. 30, according to a press release.”
October 22, 2013 at 3:45 am #798928
JoBParticipantHMC
“Just think how good your party would look if you actually dropped the debt and brought down the budget deficit.”
we did. you didn’t notice.
October 22, 2013 at 4:06 am #798929
dobroParticipantI thought since Rich is concerned about the President’s poll numbers, a look at this current CNN poll might be interesting…
“It finds that 54 percent of Americans think continued GOP control of the House is bad for the country, including 59 percent of moderates and 53 percent of independents. (Only around a third of both groups say it’s good for the country.) Even a plurality of seniors — a crucial midterm constituency, along with indys, and a group Dems are working to win over — says GOP rule in the House is bad for the country, by 47-46.
The poll also finds that Americans have more confidence in Obama rather than Republicans to deal with the major issues facing the country by 44-31. Among moderates, those numbers are 51-24; among indys they are 34-30; and among seniors they are 45-33.
The poll (which does us all a service by asking about the health law in a fine grained way) also finds a total of 53 percent of Americans either favor the law or think it’s not liberal enough.”
What a disaster, eh?
October 22, 2013 at 4:13 am #798930
dobroParticipantI might be piling on a bit here, so I’ll stop after this one. This is a story about a Texas judge who is switching parties from R to D. Watch his 2 minute video. He explains his switch eloquently.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/local-texas-official-quitting-the-gop-video
October 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm #798931
wakefloodParticipantGetting a little deja vu with St. Ronnie Reagan’s famous quote, anyone?? Only this time, inverted:
“I didn’t leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.”
I’ll leave the discussion to the historians of why Ronnie left (in 1962) what was becoming a party driven to address the social (read racial) inequality issues head on.
How the tables have turned. Now we have an ethnic minority leaving a party (in some great part) because that party is YET AGAIN uninterested in opening the tent to anything but rich, white, straight males.
Once the unholy marriage of social conservatives (read racists & homophobes) and the wealthy (read corporatists) started to crumble (finally!) this was bound to happen. They were strange bedfellows to begin with as they never really cared about the other wing’s main interests but with the advent (some might say, REQUIRED doctrine) of “prosperity theology”, both sides could bite their tongue and lock arms.
Good riddance to the alliance. May it never hold sway in our political oeuvre again.
October 22, 2013 at 3:53 pm #798932
CaitParticipantYou guys, just because HMC rips a huge fart and walks away, doesn’t mean you have to stand in it.
October 22, 2013 at 4:02 pm #798933
wakefloodParticipantWe don’t??? Phew. ;-)
October 22, 2013 at 4:14 pm #798934
CaitParticipantLIVE FREE, MY FRIENDS. lol
October 22, 2013 at 5:16 pm #798935
skeeterParticipantI mostly blame the Republicans for the deficit and debt. G.W. increased federal spending without increasing tax revenues. Neither party is seriously interested in either cutting spending or increasing taxes, so we’ll continue our gradual march into higher debt until it reaches the point it is not sustainable. Probably another 5 to 10 years.
October 23, 2013 at 9:34 pm #798936
dobroParticipant“Wakeflood, Dobro, and JoB, don’t let me down.”
Well, I think we’ve all responded with some fact based observations, as requested. Any response?
October 26, 2013 at 1:10 am #798937
waynsterParticipantDon’t worry before long the politicians will be back in full force asking for cash and votes and we shall bend over some more just where do they come from hmmmmm this is close lmao……
October 26, 2013 at 1:13 am #798938
JanSParticipantwaynster…lolol…keep ’em coming !
October 26, 2013 at 1:25 am #798939
elikapekaParticipantI would love to hear one of our politicians, of either party, talk about how to grow the economy for a change. Economic growth also will lower the deficit. All we hear about is cutting spending and increasing taxes. Targeted spending on infrastructure and technology would create jobs, increase consumer spending, and increase revenues to all levels of government. I don’t know why we don’t seem to want to invest in ourselves and our communities any longer.
October 26, 2013 at 2:29 am #798940
JanSParticipantactually, I think we hear a little…more tax cuts for big business, corporations, so they can make more money. They say to create jobs, but I don’t see it happening, and cynical me says…it ain’t tricklin’ to the rest of us. Sigh. They have no idea whatever is going on in the rest of the world, us regular folks…so disconnected…
October 26, 2013 at 3:44 pm #798941
JoBParticipantthat’s not a plan for economic growth
that’s the definition of insanity
doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
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