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September 4, 2012 at 3:29 pm #604715
DBPMemberSeptember 4, 2012 at 3:46 pm #769869
berthaParticipantAccording to her Facebook page this 3 week-old puppy was dumped at a vet clinic. As usual the animal suffers because of an irresponsible owner. Thank God the animals have Pamela!
September 4, 2012 at 3:55 pm #769870
JanSParticipantadorable…it’s a pitbull puppy…and, if raised right, and with a responsible owner, all should be good. (esp. with Pamela in charge…hehe)
People can be ignorant jerks at times :(
September 4, 2012 at 4:27 pm #769871
DBPMemberadorable…it’s a pitbull puppy…and, if raised right, and with a responsible owner, all should be good
—Don’t mess with me now, girl.
I was raised right.
I’m adorable.
But I still bite.
September 4, 2012 at 5:27 pm #769872
JanSParticipantwell, we could always muzzle you :D
September 4, 2012 at 9:10 pm #769873
hammerheadParticipantThere is a 3 day wait period, to be deemed abandoned. SO 1 more day.
September 5, 2012 at 10:56 pm #769874
DBPMemberI don’t know why it is, but serendipity just keeps a drip-drip-drippity-drippin’ all over the place.
Today’s serendipitous do . . . I’m at the vet getting my kitties chipped when who should walk in but Mistress Merit and Mistress Farah, who were there to pick up the itty bitty pittie pup. (Mistress Merit will be fostering.)
So naturally I had to take more pix . . .
Can everybody say: Awwwwwwwwww!!!!
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September 5, 2012 at 11:03 pm #769875
DBPMemberI-b-p-p is just 18 days old, and Merit said she’d be up tonight bottle-feeding him every couple hours.
Don’t know how long that will go on.
I’d probably last about half of one night at that routine. Then I’d be like: O-kaaaaaaaay . . . Speed-dial to Pamela.
Pamela . . . H-e-l-l-l-l-l-l-p !!!!
September 5, 2012 at 11:04 pm #769876
RobindianneParticipantAwe! Sweet baby!
September 5, 2012 at 11:05 pm #769877
oddrealityParticipantWhat a cutie! We lost one to pancreatic cancer that looked almost like that 7 years ago. Black dog with the same little white tips on the feet and blaze on the nose.White patch on her chest.Still miss her,she was the best dog I have ever had.She had been horribly abused before we got her from Texas and still so loving. Pitts are the best dogs! Too bad so many owners suck.
September 6, 2012 at 2:00 am #769878
hammerheadParticipantLOL it was you she saw? thanks for posting pictures. yeah I DO NOT do bottle babies either. My foster was been very excited to take him.
I wont’ bother you with to many updates :)
Needless to say this DOG will be excellent with cats, kids and dogs. Some basic training, AND a built in dog sitter, you can beat that.
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September 6, 2012 at 4:30 pm #769879
DBPMemberFor some reason, pit owners always wanna talk about how sweet and wonderful the breed is and what a bad rap it’s gotten. Ironically, whenever they do that, they end up validating my concerns. But I try to avoid disagreeing with them, because . . . well . . .
Because they’ve got a pitbull.
While I was in the vet’s office yesterday, a guy came into the waiting room with his GIANT (and very sweet) old pitbull bitch and started chatting me up.
Below is an excerpt from our conversation, as I remember it.
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Pitbull guy: I’ve had American Staffordshires and pitbulls for years. I’ve raised 17 of these dogs.
DBP: So what’s the difference between the two breeds?
PBG: It has to do with the way pitbulls were bred to fight and be more aggressive over the generations. But really, the pitbull is not an aggressive animal; it’s all in the way they’re trained. They’re gentler than other breeds, actually. They’re intelligent, too. They’re really smart, like pigs.
My son wanted a pitbull and I wouldn’t let him have one, because he didn’t know how to raise it. You never wanna roughhouse with one of these dogs.
DBP: So if you roughhouse with the dog, you’re training it to fight?
PBG: That’s right.
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–In my experience even the nice, responsible pitbull owners take some pride in the dog’s reputation as a fighter, and this guy was no exception. He explained to me that he liked to keep his dog in the front yard, unleashed and unfenced, because it kept the bad people away.
“She never leaves the yard,” he assured me. “She knows her boundaries.”
–Yeah, I thought, but do OTHER people know that she knows her boundaries? What about the mailman? The UPS guy? The kids walking home from school? It must seem like a ghost town on your block.
Keeping a pitbull unfenced/untethered in your front yard is not illegal. It does show bad judgment, though. It also shows a want of judgment to claim that a powerful dog like the pitbull – a dog that, for all its vaunted intelligence doesn’t know the difference between roughhousing and fighting – is a dog that’s perfectly safe for the average person to own and raise. It’s not. Strangely enough, that seems to have been exactly the argument the guy was making with me, even though he probably wouldn’t have recognized it, even if I’d pointed it out to him.
Anyway, as time goes on, it only becomes clearer to me that people who own and/or breed this dog should be subject to special training and licensing requirements.
Of course I’m not worried about the puppy in the pictures above. I know he’ll go to a good home and I know that Pamela will follow up on him to make sure he’s neutered, vaccinated, and otherwise properly cared for. Unfortunately, he may be the exception to the rule where pitbulls are concerned. His very existence is proof that there’s an irresponsible pitbull owner out there somewhere.
And how many other such owners are out there? How many times do we see this kind of tragedy repeated with pits? Pamela tells me they’re one of the top breeds to be abandoned. –Why? Because people (even the nicest people) are prone to overestimate their own capabilities, while underestimating the dog’s needs.
It’s a very sad situation with pitbulls. But it’s one that a simple law could easily change.
September 6, 2012 at 4:44 pm #769880
JanSParticipantnow…I see that as the owner problem. Just because he thinks that his dog knows it’s boundaries, doesn’t make it so. Just because he CAN leave the dog alone and untethered in the front yard, doesn’t mean he should. Again…it’s the owner. I have a friend who owns two dogs…not pits..beautiful breed of dog, medium sized dogs…I will not mention the breed. They look like loving animals. Look friendly. One is fine with people, one, not so much. She doesn’t leave them alone untethered in the front yard. There is a sign on her gate to beware. I have known these dogs for 4 years. I would not walk into her yard if the dogs were outside, even if she was there. I have never petted the dog who is not so good with people. The owner knows her dogs, their capabilities, and she informed me very clearly of them. The owner’s responsibility, again. And she does this with anyone/everyone.
What should be done about pits, since the reputation is so bad. Bad dog, bad dog. Should they eventually be outlawed? Should the owners be outlawed? It’s certainly a hard question. My friend mentioned above has a dog that is difficult to deal with…because it was abused when younger. So, we’re back to…owner’s responsibility. Is it the owner? Or is it the dog? Who was/is responsible for the inbreeding to make this dog (pits) a fighter? The dog? The owner? Not every owner is a Pamela…
September 6, 2012 at 11:35 pm #769881
hammerheadParticipantPitbull or NOT no dog should be left unfenced at ALL. Actually a law will NOT change that. Just like hoarders they can move and not be found, once a dog is removed the person will just get another one. I can guarantee that!.
Again as Jan stated, it is the owners responsibility Was his dog fixed? Did he breed her if not? At least he sounded educated and knew the breed and I can respect him for not letting a teenager have a dog.
Again I will admit pits have their problems. Why do you think “rescues” ship SO many dogs from out of state? Because all the local shelters have are pits or pit mixes and NO one wants that, sadly.
Know any breed you may want, (mixed or not)TRAINING TRAINING is the ONLY key in having a good dog. No dog is perfect other than maybe the guide type dogs.
Here is an interesting picture: I see pits/mixes in west seattle a lot. Healthy looking FIXED and well trained. I go to south park or rainer, ALL I see are skinny pits, big chains around their necks, scarred, and NOT fixed, and free puppy signs. So I hate to stereotype but that is what I see.
Ultimately it boils down to CARING. Education does NOT work.
That being said, yes their are to many bad people breeding irresponsibly and just giving puppies away, to bad people. That will never ever change.
IT ALWAYS THE HUMANS FAULT PERIOD!! No if’s, and’s, or buts about it.
September 7, 2012 at 12:06 am #769882
anonymeParticipantUncontrolled breeding in general is a HUGE problem, and pits are probably the breed most overbred by all the wrong people. Pits could be a safer breed if concerted efforts were made to selectively breed them to be less aggressive, as was done with Doberman Pinschers. What might help the problem would be not a breed ban, but a BREEDING ban. Allow only a few well trained and licensed people to breed pits, and in a few generations we might have a different beast.
As it is now, most people have no idea of the genetic history of the animal (or even the social history, in many cases) and genes DO count. Unfortunately as Pam pointed out, most of the breeding is being done by idiots; we know they’re not breeding for “sweetness”. Nurture is great – but it doesn’t completely trump nature.
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