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November 16, 2012 at 5:13 pm #605600
DBPMemberThe medal thing had a good run, didn’t it? OK, now it’s time for me to set the record straight.
1) At Gen. Petraeus’ level, displaying decorations is not optional; it’s a duty. If someone honors you with a decoration, you honor them back by wearing it. It’s not about bragging; it’s about acknowledging that you were there.
2) Gen. Petraeus is an officer and gentleman.
Among his many accomplishments:
► Defended the Constitution
► Defended his country
► Protected our soldiers (inc. my kid)
► Worked to help the Afghan and Iraqi people
► Worked hard to minimize civilian casualties
► Tried to use resources wisely
► Showed courage in battle
► Contributed to military science
► Respected the chain of command
Finally, in addition to the many other sacrifices he’s made for his country, General Petraeus has had the unenviable task of fixing mistakes made by civilians who didn’t know what the hell they were doing. ‘Nuff said.
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I don’t consider General Petraeus to be a braggart. I believe that he has fully earned each of his decorations and that he has been fully qualified for each of the positions he’s held.
It’s my understanding that he did not seek out his last two appointments but rather that he took them because the President asked him to.
Duty-Honor-Country
November 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm #777519
DBPMemberDon’t get the wrong idea here.
I’m still a wiseguy, and I’d still haff to laff if he slipped on a banana peel.
Union rules.
November 16, 2012 at 6:25 pm #777520
kootchmanMemberAnd he did his duty at the CIA. He and the CIA clearly sent their analysis that it WAS a terrorost attack. It was an Al Quaida affilitate… and then.. the words were purged from the White House talking points. Didn’t fit with the Obama narrative, “GM is alive, Bin Laden is dead and we have decimated their leadership”…. then they looked for a bimbo, handed her a script and sent her on a talking points tour… explicitly redacting the CIA and Department of State Security analysis. Obama hiding behind skirts… and then the bluster. The White House made this dirty and it is a cover up. A good president knows when CIC, President, needs to trump political expediency. This one doesn’t. Off to see Jay Zee and Vegas!!! He burned Susan Rice..and Hilary Clinton.. both.
November 16, 2012 at 6:55 pm #777521
elikapekaParticipantKootchman, your characterization of Ambassador Rice as a bimbo is unbelievably offensive. If you can’t make intelligent points without ad hominem attacks, you’ve already lost the argument.
Knock it off.
November 16, 2012 at 7:14 pm #777522
DBPMemberkootch, what do you want the President to do about Libya, exactly?
Resign?
Fire someone?
Attack a third country?
(That’s what GWB would’ve done.)
No one can know what’s in the President’s heart, but I find it hard to buy your general argument that Obama wants to avoid blame. I just don’t see it.
You know, when you’re the Prez, you make a pretty big target. And when you’re the First Black Prez, you make an even bigger one.
Ha ha ha. Wanna be President anyone?
Make sure you read the job specs first.
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Day 1
Here’s your Peace Prize, Mr. Messiah. Great to have you on board.
Now then. We have sort of a problem here. So we’re gonna need to have a chat about the two wars your predecessor started sometime today.
I’m afraid we’re gonna have to ask you to go ahead and wind those wars down now . . . m’kay?
(And make sure neither one looks like a defeat.)
And did we mention the financial collapse?
Y-y-yeah.
We’re gonna have to sort of ask you to make sure you fix that situation.
Oh. Almost forgot . . .
There’s some people here who want to see your birth certificate again, so we’re gonna need you to go ahead and show us that.
That’d be great.
Y-y-yeah.
November 16, 2012 at 7:20 pm #777523
JVMemberDBP, he could just tell us the truth. He succeeded in covering it up past Election Day, he won, now lets just get to the truth.
Don’t you want to know?
And please don’t resign…SloJoe Biden is VP, remember?!
(Btw, c’mon dude, you’re above the race card.)
November 16, 2012 at 7:26 pm #777524
JoBParticipantkootch..
sour grapes don’t become anyone
as for the sexist remarks..
if they continue
all they will get you is ignored
November 16, 2012 at 9:12 pm #777525
JVMemberJoB, either Susan Rice willfully went on 5 tv shows and lied like a good little puppet, or she didn’t know the truth that we have all known from the beginning.
Neither speaks well of her. Being ignorant is probably preferable to being a liar, so kootch’s “bimbo” comment was actually being gracious!
Or maybe it WAS all about a YouTube video and Obama was right all along.
November 16, 2012 at 10:01 pm #777526
DBPMember>>DBP, he could just tell us the truth.
Oh. The truth?
Just tell us the truth?
Where did that ever get anyone?
November 16, 2012 at 10:10 pm #777527
JoBParticipantJV
“JoB, either Susan Rice willfully went on 5 tv shows and lied like a good little puppet, or she didn’t know the truth that we have all known from the beginning.”
we don’t know the truth now..
how on earth was Susan Rice supposed to know anything more than what the CIA told her then?
btw… smooth move defending kootch’s uncalled for sexually discriminating remark.
“then they looked for a bimbo”
did you really want to step in THAT cowpie with him?
November 16, 2012 at 10:16 pm #777528
JoBParticipantIsn’t it time we examined this word truth?
Truth is that which is substantiated by actual evidence..
When the evidence emerges..
we may or may not know the truth
but if you are expecting your favorite talking head to provide it to you on a platter…
you should know that John McCain chose to hold a press conference instead of attending the briefing on Bengazi
why listen to the evidence when you have already made up your mind?
when you decide what is true and what is not before you hear the evidence..
the odds are that you are wrong.
an endlessly repeated lie is still a lie.
November 16, 2012 at 11:37 pm #777529
JVMemberJob, I don’t think she is a bimbo, Kim Kardashian is a bimbo. Susan Rice willfully lied to the American public repeatedly. That’s far worse than a bimbo.
3 questions to which you surely know the answers, even if you pretend you don’t:
Q: where is Hillary during the hearing?
Q: was the attack due to a YouTube video or a pre-planned terrorist attack on September 11th?
Q: do protesters tend to show up to said protest with RPG’s and guns?
November 17, 2012 at 12:11 am #777530
dobroParticipant“Susan Rice willfully lied to the American public…”
Petraus’ testimony in today’s hearing clearly shows that the whole “cover-up” BS and criticism of Susan Rice is bogus. He said so.
The wingers are going to have to come up with something else to whine about. John McCain is extra sad today.
November 17, 2012 at 12:27 am #777531
dobroParticipantHere’s some reporting if you’re not up to date on the testimony…
“Ex-CIA Director David Petraeus told lawmakers Friday that classified intelligence showed the deadly raid on the U.S. Consulate in Libya was a terrorist attack, but that the administration withheld the suspected role of specific al-Qaida affiliates to avoid tipping off the terrorist groups.
The recently resigned spy chief explained that references to terrorist groups suspected of carrying out the violence were removed from the public explanation of what caused the attack so as not to tip off the groups that the U.S. intelligence community was on their trail, according to lawmakers who attended the private briefings.
The names of terrorists believed to be involved were removed for reasons of national security, and all of the relevant intelligence agencies signed off on the edited text. As Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) explained to the AP, “n an unclassified document you want to be careful who you identify as being involved.”
Susan Rice then relied on the intelligence community’s findings to update the public five days after the attack, and everything she said reflected the best information available at the time.
November 17, 2012 at 12:57 am #777532
DBPMemberThat’s plausible, dobro, though even if true, this doesn’t look like stellar info management on the Administration’s part.
I think it’s better to say, “We’re not sure just who did this, we’ve got our best people on it” than to have to change the story later. Suspicious minds will talk.
What I really want to know is just where JV and the kootchman thought this thing was going to lead, even if their all their bungling + cover-up suspicions turned out to be true.
May I just remind my friends on the right that the Bush White House ignored/mismanaged 9/11 terrorism intel with much awfuller results.
– And just what did that cost him, politically?
Then he started a war – that’s right, WAR – based on some half-baked claim of al Qaida training camps, yellow cake uranium, and aluminum tubes.
– And just what did THAT cost him, politically?
Get some perspective here, guys. After what Bush got away with, did you think in your wildest fantasies that something like this could possibly cause Obama real damage?
Hey . . . wait a minute . . .
Just wait a gol durn minute here!
Weren’t you the same ones who said you could make Obama cry “uncle” over this Eric Holder guy?
Look. I’m not trying to tell you how to fight your battles, but you might wanna keep your powder a little drier from now on . . .
November 17, 2012 at 1:46 am #777533
JanSParticipantwhat I’m thinking is, if they find nothing untoward here, they will look into ( and make some up) the next thing to come along in order to find something to impeach Obama. It will be an unrelenting search. It’s sour grapes.
JV and Kootch, you don’t know the truth anymore than I do. So…shut up about it. Or maybe you figure that if you repeat it enough, everyone will believe it, even if it’s lies.
Susan Rice is not a bimbo..she’s pretty damned smart..and her speech? signed off by the CIA..her talking points in her speech were approved. Again, get over yourselves. Do you two really hate Obama that much? Are you really afraid of him that much?
This country needs help, and all we hear is conspiracy, conspiracy. form a committee ala Watergate to investigate. Gotta have those committees !
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/16/politics/benghazi-hearings/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
November 17, 2012 at 2:02 am #777534
dobroParticipant“this doesn’t look like stellar info management on the Administration’s part.”
I know it’s, like, a whole month ago or so, but do you happen to remember who was out front on the whole Bengazi thing, making statements and sowing disinformation before the administration had even made a single statement? Strain your brain a little and recall.
I’m not a spokesman for the Obama administration and have no access to classified information, but, using just a little common sense, I think I can explain the whole thing. Something bad happened rather suddenly. People were killed. The place they were at is called a consulate, but there is evidence that it was actually a CIA outpost. Nobody wants to admit that. But the local terrorist guys knew it and wanted to lay a smackdown on it. The government now wishes to conduct some investigations and find out how this occurred and who, if anyone, might be held responsible. There is still a war going on, you know, and sometimes you can’t predict when and where attacks may come from. Meanwhile, right wing cranks are looking for anything they can throw against the wall to see if it might stick to Obama and help Repubs win the election. October surprise and all. Enter Mitt and his wrecking crew.
Here’s an idea. STFU, quit politicizing a tragedy, let the appropriate agencies conduct their investigations, and see where it leads.
November 17, 2012 at 2:49 am #777535
JoBParticipantJV
“Job, I don’t think she is a bimbo, Kim Kardashian is a bimbo. Susan Rice willfully lied to the American public repeatedly. That’s far worse than a bimbo.”
No. what i know is that talking heads have been saying that she willfully lied to the American people.
Neither of us knows if that is true or not.
If it is true, and i am not saying in any way that it is, i can tell you with certainty that she will not be the first American diplomat to lie to the American people.
No sir..
you can follow that trait all the way to the White House.
and those watchdogs of honor, the media
endlessly repeated those lies
even after they were proven to be lies.
I don’t watch mainstream media news at all any more.
There is a reason for that.
I remember when the most entertaining portion of a news broadcast was the weather girl…
now it’s all talking heads and reality tv entertainment
November 17, 2012 at 2:53 am #777536
JoBParticipant“Here’s an idea. STFU, quit politicizing a tragedy, let the appropriate agencies conduct their investigations, and see where it leads.”
what dobro said.
November 17, 2012 at 6:18 am #777537
chrismaParticipantNovember 17, 2012 at 10:02 am #777538
kootchmanMemberGood try dobro, but the head of the interim Libyan government called it the next AND mentioned the Al Quida affiliate 8 hours after the attack!
She is a bimbo… first as two former UN Ambassadors have now stated, she is on the CIA distribution list for analysis. She knew damn well what she was trotted out to say was vetted and changed to fit a political agenda. Surprised? No not really.
Yea JoB we’ve all seen this shit before… Obama politicized it. He was receiving those live feeds, the request for aid and assistance, and it didn’t fit his agenda. God forbid after toppling Khadafi.. do we now have ANOTHER open front? Probably. Your Prez was on a jet less than 8 hours later to raise money and get his Jay Zee dose. That sure politicized it. It was time to wear his CIC hat… he didn’t. Aren’t you the least angry that your administration is spinning so much yarn? Ahhh … I know, he won. I remember Watergate… cover ups never work.
November 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm #777539
c@lbobMemberHear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not.
— Jeremiah 5:21
November 17, 2012 at 3:41 pm #777540
JanSParticipantwow, Kootch…bitter much? Your side lost but you’re bound and determined to have the last word, aren’t you. How dare anyone prove that Kman is wrong…esp. the likes of us ignorant libs out here. How dare we doubt you. You’re full of talking points gotten from some right wing link, some right wing news. And you’re offensive as hell, and still want us to revere what you say as gospel? What planet are you from, anyway?
Your disrespect for women in general is showing, dear man. Your disdain for anyone’s opinion than your own is showing, for sure.
People disagree with your opinion, and you condescend, you denigrate…how dare we disagree with you! What idiots we must be ! No matter what the facts say it’s still a conspiracy to you, Obama is lying to us all….you are amazing !
November 17, 2012 at 5:03 pm #777541
dobroParticipantPetraeus’ word used to be the gold standard among the cranky right wing set but I guess he’s worked for Obama too long…now he’s a liar, too.
Watch this…Evil Obama was sitting in his chamber, watching the live feeds of his forces world-wide when the attack occurred. He realized immediately this could be political trouble so instead of calling for more security, he called his UN rep and told her to get her lies ready. But then he realized, “what about Petraeus?! That Boy Scout will never tell a lie for me.” Ah, but I’ve had my evil minions working on him. It’s time to drop the sex scandal on him. Then he’ll do whatever we say. Double agent Broadbent has done a stellar job setting him up….yadayadayada
See how easy it is to make that cr*p up? And I don’t even watch Fox news!
November 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm #777542
dobroParticipantWow, another clearly left wing liar is on the record on this issue. Here’s left wing apologist and liar Rep. Peter King (R-NY)
Rep. Peter King (R-NY) has admitted that the CIA and intelligence community approved U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice’s talking points before she made her much-derided Sept. 16 appearance on several Sunday news shows to discuss the attacks in Benghazi. King, one of the most outspoken critics of the Obama administration’s response to the attack, came to his conclusion following testimony from former CIA Director David Petraeus.
How long do you think it will be before some right wing crank starts calling him General Betrayus?
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