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July 17, 2009 at 1:19 pm #671986
mom2sorenMemberWhoa! Full Tilt wrote a very compassionate, thoughtful post. I am glad that a business owner within this community dialogues with locals about issues, and has his own opinions and personality. I want real people in the community, not faceless corporations.
Many of the rest of you are ridiculously argumentative, rules-bound, narrow minded, and care too much about what your neighbor is doing. Let people live their lives. We don’t know the personal issues of the family living in the van, but in these rough economic times, there are an increased number of people who have lost their homes & live in vehicles. God, have some compassion.
July 17, 2009 at 2:29 pm #671987
JoBParticipantkh and bluebird…
have you been to Full Tilt’s ice cream shop?
He opened it in the middle of what was once a blighted neighborhood but is rapidly becoming a multicultural oasis.
He says hi and stops to chat with those who spend most of their time on the street on his way into work every day… and i wouldn’t be surprised if he feeds a few every week as well.
As a business owner, he put his money where his mouth.. and his heart are.
If that is enough to prevent either of your from sampling his ice cream.. it is certainly your loss because he makes some mighty fine ice cream…
in a shop full of pin ball machines.. hosting local bands on friday nights… spinning oldies on wednesday.. and probably much more.
Full tilt has created a neighborhood drop in center that welcomes and nurtures those from West Seattle as warmly as those from White Center.
When did speaking out for those less fortunate become a risky thing for a businessman in these United States…
a nation supposedly based on the Christian ethic?
I suspect he draws more customers for his beliefs than he loses… at least i hope so… and i don’t think it would change his beliefs if he didn’t.
Go get some ice cream and mellow out… my favorite is the mexican chocolate but if he has one with elvis in the name.. go for it… it has real bacon bits and peanut butter…
Full Tilt Ice Cream is not only a safe place to take your kids.. it’s a fun place to take them. They are definately kid friendly in there.
it’s way too early for him to be open yet:(
July 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm #671988
bluebirdMemberI could not be more mellow. Really. And I love businesses that are involved with their local community.
I just don’t agree with them arguing their personal positions in a public forum, whether I agree with them or not.
“Cjboffoli There are so many things wrong with your statement i don’t know where to start.”
That’s not factual, that’s an opinion. And a mild one in comparison to some I’ve read from that poster.
It makes me uncomfortable. Just as it would if a business owner tried to convert me to their religion or something. Like celebrities, I don’t want to know all about your feelings on psychiatry and Scientology. I just want to see your movie.
It’s also not very difficult to separate your business and personal statements. Register for two different accounts.
IMO a business that wants to be successful should be inviting to all. The argumentative, in your face, I know what’s really going on and you don’t, is off putting.
I’ll stick with Husky deli for my ice cream needs.
July 17, 2009 at 8:27 pm #671989
charlabobParticipantIt is your choice to go where you want, for whatever reasons you want, and it is FT’s choice to say what he wants. (Just as it is the choice of the rest of us to go where we want.)
The Bob and I very happily go out of our way to go to FT, primarily because they have the greatest IC ever, and Ms PacMan, and secondarily because we support their political expressions.
For the same reason, we have completely stopped giving any of our money to Salty’s.
I suspect most people are politics-neutral when it comes to Ice Cream but I certainly admire someone lets us know who he is.
Frankly, I’d be a little worried about a business set up in White Center, that didn’t assertively speak up on behalf of the poor.
July 17, 2009 at 8:38 pm #671990
bluebirdMemberTotally agree Charlabob. To each, their own. That’s why it’s just my opinion. One of many, and frequently wrong. It’s all good, and not trying to offend anyone.
July 17, 2009 at 10:24 pm #671991
JoBParticipantbluebird…
so.. do you boycott Salty’s too because the owner is in your face with his political advertising??? His van is pretty hard to ignore.
or are you just offended by someone supporting the homeless?
Those are two different issues… boycotting because they speak up and boycotting because you don’t agree with them.
We don’t shop Home Depot because of where they chose to put campaign contributions… or a host of other businesses for similar ecological or political reasons… whether they speak out or not..
but i wouldn’t count any business out just because they choose to be up front about their convictions…
too many independents have strong convictions and really really great products…
you should try the ice cream before you count Full Tilt out ;->
July 17, 2009 at 10:57 pm #671992
bluebirdMemberHave never been to Salty’s. And yes, I hate that van thing of his. I think both examples are the same, just opposite ends of the spectrum.
BTW, it’s a stretch to imply I’m against speaking out for the homeless (or want any business boycotted, for that matter).
I am just not fond of any business stating strong political beliefs in an aggressive manner. FT has had some serious disagreements with people on here that have not been in a spirit of mutual conversation, IMO.
And again, I’m just uncomfortable with it, that’s all.
July 17, 2009 at 11:27 pm #671993
jschuMemberwhat kind of vans? I’m looking to buy and sell parts. If any are microvans let me know.
July 18, 2009 at 12:03 am #671994
RubyRed1MemberI agree with CJ, Rico, bluebird, and kh.
I think those people living in the vans should get a personal invite from Fulltilt to come stay in his shop. Just til they get back on their feet. Seriously, why not?
Or anyone else who thinks it is wrong to be uncomfortable with vagrants living outside their door should invite them to their yard. Put your money where you’re mouth is.
On the topic of Fulltilt, been there, done that – not THAT good. I will happily take myself and my money to the store for some Ben&Jerrys! Fulltilt DOES seem pretty angry and confrontational at times, I’ve noticed.
July 18, 2009 at 12:57 am #671995
jego_misiaParticipantDo they not ticket before towing?? Gosh, I’m paranoid now…
July 18, 2009 at 1:31 am #671996
bluebirdMemberOn the 72 hour thing, they chalk tires first, then put a warning sticker on the windshield, then tow.
It’s not like a ticket under the wiper blade that could blow away or get taken. You have to scrape it off. So I’ve been told :) The sticker states you have to move to a completely different block, as opposed to rolling forward. If you’re keeping tabs on your car visually, you’ll know before hand.
July 18, 2009 at 1:39 am #671997
JanSParticipantMr. Full Tilt angry and confrontational? Really? Have you met him, spoken with him? He’s a pussycat. I don’t know you, but could say the same sort of things, or say that you DO seem to discriminate at times when posting. I think we’d both be wrong. So are y’all saying it’s OK for him to have his convictions, but not OK to voice them? Is that what you’re saying? You just want him to keep it to himself? But you’d be OK with him posting under another name, even if you knew it was him? Just askin’ :)
Mr. Boffoli posts under his name, and we see it as a byline, and as a photographer on this very blog…should he pick another name , too? Again…just askin’?
July 18, 2009 at 2:01 am #671998
christopherboffoliParticipantJuly 18, 2009 at 2:21 am #671999
bluebirdMemberJanS, I don’t really understand your comment or defensiveness. I think I explained my *opinion* more than adequately. I’m sorry if that upsets you.
July 18, 2009 at 2:27 am #672000
JimmyGMemberI vote both at the ballot box and with my hard earned dollars.
Just as Full Tilt is entitled to have and express his opinions, so am I entitled to not patronize his shop which is what I chose quite some time ago based on his posts here.
July 18, 2009 at 3:00 am #672001
JanSParticipantbluebird..for the record…it doesn’t upset me, nor am I being defensive. Those were legitimate questions. And you have the right to not answer them. My question was…do you think/feel that any business that you know about on here should keep their opinions to themselves, since they are a business, and should act accordingly…and that would include the editors of this blog. You object to Full Tilt posting under “Full Tilt”…does that go for all businesses that might post on herewith a name connected to their business? Or just to Full Tilt?
Christopher…love the kitty name, although I don’t remember the kitty…hidden away?
bluebird, I guess I just don’t agree with the idea that Mr. Full Tilt is angry and confrontational. I know the man and I haven’t seen it. I just see him stating his opinion, which is his right on here, or anywhere. He shouldn’t be censored because he owns a business. You think he should, it seems.
I have found him to be a very caring and generous man. And his ice cream beats Ben and Jerry’s any day of the week :) Just my opinion, of course. I realize what we’re talking about now isn’t on topic, but..it was brought up, so I asked.
JimmyG..you are definitely entitled to not frequent his business. I think that’s your loss, but, again, just my opinion :)
July 18, 2009 at 3:15 am #672002
JoBParticipantDo i get this right?
there are posters on this forum who are choosing not to patronize a business because the owner stood up for the homeless and they chose to see those posts as agressive?
better yet.. those same posters have chosen to post that he has no right to post his opinion at all because he is a business owner?
and we have a bandwagon people are jumping on to support this contention?
I think the heat has affected too many heads.
July 18, 2009 at 3:23 am #672003
JoBParticipantBuebird…
i didn’t mean to imply anything about you..
instead of assuming what you meant. i asked you a question to clarify your position…
which seems to be more than you are willing to do for me:(
July 18, 2009 at 3:38 am #672004
JoBParticipantit seems that asking a question or in any way questioning the opinions of some here is considered aggressive.
i know, because i have received that label more than once on this blog doing little more than asking a clarifying question…
or questioning the assumptions built into carelessly made statements.. assumptions that don’t make the OP look so good…
I am not sure there is any way to tell someone that you think they are being insensitive or rude without them becoming offended.
i think this whole conversation about the folks living in a van is insensitive at best and rude or just plain mean at it’s worst.
I can understand the original poster wanting to find out about an occupied van that is parked in her alley without plates… I suspect i would either check that out myself or send someone else to do so.
But the blanket assumption that people who are left with no other option than to sleep in their cars are dangerous to you or your children is both erroneous and insensitive.
They aren’t THOSE PEOPLE. Many of them were your neighbors before they got the rug pulled out from under their feet…
A little compassion would go a long way towards helping them survive and put their lives back together…
If it was you living in your car with your children you would want a safe place to spend the night… and access to food and sanitary facilities to keep your family healthy.
It is a lot easier to deny people the basic necessities of life when we label them as THEM and demonize them for their poverty…
but it’s not how you are going to want people to look at you if your luck doesn’t hold, is it?
July 18, 2009 at 4:52 am #672005
bluebirdMemberYes. Twisting my thoughts in every conceivable way has led you to the correct conclusion. I hate everyone, especially the homeless and their advocates.
July 18, 2009 at 9:25 pm #672006
RubyRed1MemberThe people living in the vans should live with JoB or at Fulltilt Ice Cream Shop!!
Problem solved. Why is this still being discussed?
On the topic of Fulltilt, I don’t care what he says or thinks. It’s obvious, though, that he has expressed his opinion and personal beliefs at the detriment of business. A few people have admitted to not patronizing his ice cream shop because of his representation here on this forum. Who cares? He probably doesn’t even care. It’s just not a very wise business plan IMO.
July 18, 2009 at 11:05 pm #672007
mom2sorenMemberOK, Ruby Red. Do you know anything about the history of Ben & Jerry’s, the brand you claim to patronize? They were openly liberal & political activists. Their business model took them to the top — not just because the ice cream was delicious, but also due to their politics.
But maybe you’ll only eat their ice cream now that they’re owned by Unilever. Another faceless entity. The same people who bring us slim-fast and dove soap.
The posts here are absurd.
July 18, 2009 at 11:26 pm #672008
BarbGMemberOh for craps sake!! If the people that don’t agree with Full Tilt or don’t think he should be posting under his business name don’t want to go to his establishment the rest of you should shut your pie holes and leave it be. I know for a fact from previous posts that other people have refused to visit establishments because they don’t agree with the owners views. For the people spouting about how Full Tilt can say what he wants and then bashes (and yes you ARE bashing) the people stating their opinions, stop being hypocrites.
As for the people living in vans situations, how does anyone know that these people are people who had bad things happen to them and are now forced to see semi safe shelter? Maybe they are unfortunate people who had unfortunate events happen, or maybe they are people that are unsavory and maybe the person concerned should be concerned. For the people saying they are definitely unfortunate people that should be embraced fully, keep that in mind next time someone comes to your door selling magazines instead of automatically assuming that they are out to rob you. And before the usual suspects go on about how I must hate the homeless and how I don’t know that we are all just one paycheck away from homelessness…I DON’T hate the homeless and I KNOW!
It’s been forever since I’ve posted anything here, but the hypocrisy on this forum is absolutely FREAKING MIND BOGGLING.
July 19, 2009 at 1:21 am #672009
RubyRed1MemberBarbG, love your post, girl! Hilarious and so true.
This forum always reminds me of reality T.V.. The dysfunction here is incredible. Irresistible.
I couldn’t care less about Fulltilt’s or Ben&Jerry’s political views. BEN&JERRY’S IS JUST BETTER ICE CREAM, HANDS DOWN.
July 19, 2009 at 2:46 am #672010
alki_2008ParticipantBarbG – excellent! Too true.
JoB –
am truly sorry you don’t appreciate the exchange of ideas.. but that’s what a public forum is about.. the exchange of ideas…
Ha! There’s no “exchange” with you when you don’t listen to what others say. I gave a direct response to someone else’s question, and that got twisted into a long-winded, off-topic argument? Typical. I’m done responding to your rambling comments because you’ll just disagree with whatever I say and twist what I say into something else, so what’s the point?
and i am unlikely to agree with you on much… so you are unlikely to appreciate my posts.
You’re absolutely right, I won’t appreciate them…because you don’t listen to what I write. You automatically disagree with everything I say, even when I’m agreeing with you. Ridiculous. Argue on, if you choose, but I’m done with it.
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