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November 12, 2013 at 7:20 am #609656
HMC RichParticipantSince I can’t answer on the other thread, I am starting this one. Oregon has not signed up one single person. They have not launched their site and have spent millions. And, they are not a Republican state as some of you say is the reason why some states are having problems. Your partisan slip is showing… and getting worse. http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/11/11/oregon-health-care-exchange-has-yet-to-enroll-a-single-person/
This thread shows the difference between people who have signed up and who have the plans in their on-line cart.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/11/who-counts-as-an-obamacare-enrollee-the-obama-administration-settles-on-a-definition/?print=1
Henry Chao who is one of the point men on this rollout should be upset with the security of the websites…http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/189916-top-cms-official-didnt-know-about-obamacare
At least Ms. Hagen understands that this is unnacceptable (and she wants to get re-elected) and is being pro-active on finding out why the roll-out is such a debacle http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/189890-democrat-calls-for-obamacare-probe
3% (or about 50,000 people have signed up so far). They were expecting 1.4 million by now. Reality states that many people will wait to sign up. Plus next year when businesses start dumping people right near election time, there will be more people signing up. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/11/usa-healthcare-enrollment-idUSL2N0IW0XX20131111?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssHealthcareNews&rpc=22
In the other thread you were comparing Bush and Obama. Well, what would you have been doing if Bush had launched a Health Insurance program that failed so miserably? You would have excoriated the former President, but you stick up for the rookie President that never seems to know why something doesn’t work or who is in charge of making it right. I don’t find comfort from a President who finds out from the news what is going on from his government. This Plausible Deniability is a crock of ….
All of us expected some glitches but Sebillius and the admin are not being fully accountable. If they can’t successfully launch this, do you think they can actually run a healthcare program too?
Through time I suppose it will work with mediocrity but it should not have sucked this bad to start with. But many right wingers knew this would happen. Why? Because the elites and people in charge of the Democratic party do not know how businesses truly operate. Symbolism over substance. Theory over results. But they are good at throwing and wasting money to help appease those people (while demonizing them). God help us.
November 12, 2013 at 7:36 am #800018
HMC RichParticipantThe Appeals court decision on Obamacare the “regular media” won’t report. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2013/11/11/press-virtually-silent-appeals-court-blocks-obamacares-contraception-man
No the media isn’t biased. Personally, I like the bias in media. I just wish some of them would admit it.
November 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm #800019
JoBParticipantso Rich..
you are faulting Oregon because they chose to build a more comprehensive system
and won’t roll it out until they get it right?
You do understand that unlike our federal legislature (led by our tea party heroes) which refused to allocate adequate funds..
Oregon’s legislature has not only allocated funding but has backed a successful roll-out of the program?
and that the federal site is only necessary for those states who decided not to offer their residents anything at all?
You are big on that accountability word. At what point do you hold the Republican politicos who have done everything within their power to make sure that the ACA does not work?
including launching an investigation into organizations that are actively assisting people with enrollment?
November 13, 2013 at 12:33 am #800020
waynsterParticipantNow let me think here (I know careful lol) its not ok for the government to make sure that everyone has affordable health care either through state or Federal programs like the affordable healthcare act aka Obamacare…. yet when it came to bailouts for wall street and big corporations that was ok hmmmmm….. wait I found a new bailout program should we have to bailout wall street and big corporations again a little heathcare for them……lmao
November 13, 2013 at 2:56 am #800021
BuddyParticipantNovember 18, 2013 at 4:43 am #800022
retired60ParticipantI have good Gov. Healthcare and want others to have as much as I do … Republicans only want to take hope for a better life away and deny good healthcare to anyone who can’t afford it ..even their own relatives.
November 18, 2013 at 4:53 am #800023
retired60ParticipantRepublicans are the reason the middle class is disappearing .. they want few laws to protect the workers … lower wages … keep the elderly poor w less healthcare, tell the youth not to go to college if they need loans.. block the vote for minorities, the young, especially college students .. saying they don’t know what they want. Is this anti American
November 18, 2013 at 5:02 am #800024
retired60ParticipantMost of Americas elderly will retire in poverty .. if they retire at all. And I am talking about the middleclass and some upper middleclass. To earn $50,000 a year in retirement … one has to have at least $1,200,000 in assets. Twice this if you want $100,000 annually. This is a fact that many financial advisors will not tell you.
November 18, 2013 at 5:08 am #800025
retired60ParticipantOur friends in the Republican party have made it impossible to save, send our children to college and to earn a decent living to prepare for retirement. And looks like we want more of them. we refuse to kick them out of office …so we must like life as it is … uncertain
November 18, 2013 at 6:30 am #800026
KevinParticipantBefore “Obamacare,” I was / am paying $900 per month for health care insurance until 2014. Once Obamacare becomes active in 2014, my cost will be… $0 per month – that’s right… ZERO dollars per month, and for a decent policy too! Thanks Obama – you did good my friend!
November 18, 2013 at 7:27 am #800027
dhgParticipantThe Repubs confuse an initial web launch with changes in the health insurance industry. They know the internet is full of tubes but don’t know much beyond that. So, RW people, take note: the health care changes have been ramping up slowly but will accelerate soon. It has not happened as yet because deadlines are months away but it is going to happen. Prejudgements declaring it failed is wishful thinking, that is all.
And what, exactly, do you wish for….?
I wish I would be denied insurance because I am already sick. I wish my son could not use my plan at age 24 because he does not deserve it. I wish Kathy down the block would finance her transplant with a bake sale because I really like cookies!
November 18, 2013 at 9:53 am #800028
HMC RichParticipantBlame the Republicans. Yawn. The Republicans have told you this is bad legislation. If not for a few Republicans and Pro-Life Democrats who actually believed the misinformation about the ACA, it would not be law. And if it is so great, why are elected Democrats running away from it faster the survivors from Zombies in the Walking Dead?
So far in this STELLAR rollout 5 Million people have had their insurance cut off. Only about 100,000 have signed up. The employer mandate rolls out next year and businesses are going to drop employees from their healthcare benefit packages. Right Now, 7 Million healthy people who are “supposed” to sign up won’t. It is cheaper to pay a $300 tax fine than pay $3000 per year for health coverage they don’t want. The only way to pay for it will be in higher premiums or more taxes.
Constitutionally, the President cannot for one year change his broken promise like he wanted for one year regarding “If you like it, you can keep it”. If that happens we might as well get rid of the House and Senate and have a soft tyranny.
Republicans want people to have good healthcare. But having the government in charge of it will only make it more expensive for most people. Over and over it has been shown that government mandates cost consumers more in the long run.
Obama said it would lessen the costs for most people by $2500.00. That is not what is happening for most people. The insurance companies have to charge people more money to cover all the mandatory coverages set up by the ACA.
Democrats wrote this. Democrats own this. The Republicans have complained about it, but the rollout is law and so far has not been very successful. Washington State got it right but Oregon hasn’t so far. They missed the deadline as did many states. It’s a debacle. But you don’t want to hear that do you?!
When all is said and done I bet more people will be uninsured than before the law was passed. And it will be much more expensive for everyone.
I, personally, have always felt the people between 18 and 65 should pay for the young and elderly. I would prefer that health insurance be used more like car insurance. That states should also have funding in place to help those who need help. But the way our Federal Constitution was written and many of the State Constitutions were written, this is not possible. If it was they could have voted in single payer and be done with it all. But they can’t. To come close it had to be a “tax”. That’s messed up.
Furthermore, there can never be enough money to cover every ailment.
No plan is perfect. The goal was to get more people affordable insurance. Here is an article about an alternative that might be better than the ACA, but one that needs work too. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-23/a-serious-republican-health-care-plan.html
Kevin, let me ask you this. Once this kicks in shouldn’t you be paying more to help people who can’t afford it? Or are you saying Look at me, I pay nothing and screw you since you are? That doesn’t seem all that fair either.
Retired60. Financial advisors do say that you need 1.3 million for the retirement years. They don’t hide it. You blame the Republicans for everything but personal responsibility has to come into play also. Maybe some people should have saved more themselves instead of relying just on Social Security. Maybe a bunch of us should have worked instead of going to college and getting a useless degree while ramping up debts that are almost impossible to pay. Maybe we should enforce the laws about illegal immigration that is costing us Billions and lowering wages for legal Americans.
No Retired60, you can’t blame all of this on Republicans. There is more poverty now than when the war on poverty started. You have a class of people who are completely dependent on the government for their survival. Federal and State governments have spent Trillions to “fight” poverty but where are the results? I see failure because of government interference and bad policies locally, nationally. I see lack of motivation as result of government.
To say Republicans discriminate is completely ridiculous. We just don’t believe in class warfare and complete redistribution of wealth as the way to accomplish mediocrity. I am so tired of your views that the right is racist, sexist or whatever ist is popular.
You say Republicans do this… prove it.
November 18, 2013 at 10:03 am #800029
JanSParticipantSo..having the insurance companies in charge of health care (i.e., private businesses, unregulated) will make premiums cheaper? Is that what you’re thinking? Seriously? Going back to being denied because of pre-existing conditions is a good thing? We live in two different worlds, Rich.
oh, and I’m sorry, but we don’t see Democrats trying to take women’s rights away, or blocking people from voting, or against same sex marriages. But no, Republicans don’t discriminate.
Please, please tell me Rich. What is the Republican plan for healthcare that will ensure that everyone has the proper healthcare, preventative and otherwise (besides going to the emergency room)? What exactly do they propose? Share your knowledge. Bring it up for discussion !
And, Kevin, apologies for speaking for you. Rich, Kevin has been unemployed for quite some time and has health issues, as does his wife. They are on a limited income. He was just sharing how affordable insurance is for he and his wife now, instead of an astronomical amount that he was spending. Kevin doesn’t gloat, or say “Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah!” It’s insulting of you to suggest otherwise. You’re above that, I thought.
November 18, 2013 at 10:33 am #800030
HMC RichParticipantGroup Health has a good system in place for its members. One that works with preventative medicine and programs. Not so reactive. The states spend billions of dollars on reactive care. It would be good for all of us to focus on preventative care.
Allowing insurance companies more access across states borders would help. Allowing people to purchase good plans from across the nation would benefit consumers.
Sorry Jan but I don’t need to pay for quite a few women’s services because I am male. Nor should women pay for men’s service for items like E.D. through insurance. Not every ailment should be covered by insurance.
And Jan, where have Republicans taken away a women’s right away or blocking people’s right to vote? Now I was in favor of Washington States recognition of Gay Marriage, but there is nothing wrong with others not being for it. It is a mindset regarding opinion. I am not for abortion, but it happens too and is somewhat legal.
Here is a conservative and more market based alternative. http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/27/rsc-health-care-reform-another-step-in-the-right-direction/
I don’t agree with all of it either but there are solutions in there too.
Is it possible to make the ACA work, or will it implode? Is it possible to have a fully market based system? No, I don’t think so. I think we need to employ the best of both worlds to come up with help for individuals and their families.
You see, other landmark legislation in the past had legislation that effectively was bi-partisan. This huge change was not. It only represents one side of the equation. If it had truly been a decent program, many on the right would have voted for it.
I see a few possibilities.
1. This thing implodes and the Democrat party loses out for about six years.
2. Over time the ACA gets monkeyed with and ends up working but at a much higher cost than “expected”
3. An alternative that does help people with pre-existing conditions but doesn’t fine people for not participating either.
4. Nothing gets done and both sides will blame each other and the insurance companies.
November 18, 2013 at 4:31 pm #800031
dhgParticipantYeah, well, you also foresaw a Republican sweep in the elections.
To suggest that allowing plans to cross state lines will help is laughable. All insurance companies want the same thing: profits. It comes from people who pay and don’t file claims. Diabetics need not apply. Crohn’s disease, mental illness, epileptics….just stay away.
When you have a better plan, one that allows the chronically sick to be covered, one that puts medical bankruptcy in the rear view mirror, speak up.
November 18, 2013 at 5:33 pm #800032
skeeterParticipant“All insurance companies want the same thing: profits”
Respectfully I disagree.
Many health insurance companies are non-profit. Non-profit organizations cannot distribute profits to those who control it. If you changed the “all” to “some” then I would agree with your statement.
November 18, 2013 at 5:56 pm #800033
retired60ParticipantRich says a lot to say nothing … Didn’t Sarah Palin say that she’s against the Pope because he’s Liberal????. He is ..and so is Jesus Christ. REPUBS DON’T GET IT AND SEEMS TO NEVER WILL It is better to give than receive. and didn’t Jesus spend most of his time with the poor and down trodden??? Repubs. act as if they’ve never seen or want to see a poor person. You can’t act this stuff out … hate ..selfishness … greed, vindictive, and racism stick out like the nose on your face REPUBLICANS
November 18, 2013 at 6:02 pm #800034
retired60ParticipantSo called Christian Repubs. need to change the way they treat their fellow man or it will be too late when Jesus comes back. Treat others as you want to be treated. Extend a hand and help someone in trouble.
November 18, 2013 at 6:18 pm #800035
retired60ParticipantAnother city hit by Tornados … Will the selfish party reach out to Washington, IL ???? wHEN LIVES and or property is DESTROYED, money should be the last thing we worry about. or does it matter the party, RELIGION or race of those being helped ?????? I hope not … but Repubs have surprised me before … remember Sandy
November 18, 2013 at 6:40 pm #800036
retired60ParticipantHow many people .. 50 years and oolder .. in this chat that don’t have at least $100,000 in savings or investments of any kind ???. Stats from AARP, Wells Fargo and other big Banks say that most in this group don’t have $20,000. social Security alone will not be enough. for RETIREMENT
November 18, 2013 at 6:43 pm #800037
dhgParticipantThe RSC heritage foundation plan is a sack of nothing.
And for all the “keep guvment away from my doctor”, it is the Republicans who mandate vaginal ultrasound prior to abortion. That is as intrusive as one van get.
November 18, 2013 at 7:30 pm #800038
skeeterParticipant“So called Christian Repubs. need to change the way they treat their fellow man or it will be too late when Jesus comes back. Treat others as you want to be treated. Extend a hand and help someone in trouble.”
I know several Republicans who have extended a helping hand to people in trouble. I also know several Democrats who have extended a helping hand to people in trouble.
November 18, 2013 at 10:09 pm #800039
HMC RichParticipantSkeeter. Right On.
DHG. pure conjecture with a typical Alinsky negative spin. But it is your opinion. When you can supply a little more substance, then you may even persuade myself or others.
Retired 60. I am certain you mean well but If Republicans can cause tornadoes to hurt all people then they could fix all of our problems quickly. That is fairy dust on Meth. I’m just messing with you in a playful way in case you can’t tell.
What propaganda house organ has been messing with you? Next your going to tell me it was all the Koch Brothers fault, George Bush and Abraham Lincoln.
You know what? I am miffed as to why you would bring in such human suffering regarding the destruction of lives and property from the Midwest tornadoes to this debate. It was not necessary. I really do not want to say anything mean on this forum regarding that post, so I will ask you to think a bit more about your response.
I get it. You dislike Republicans for whatever reasons. You and 40 percent of the electorate. I can handle that but to blame Republicans for everything? Sorry but I am shaking my head. Obamacare is purely a Democratic tragedy playing out before our eyes. Will it have a happy ending? To be honest I do want a happy ending for people but it might be from a different script.
There are reasons that have to be taken into account about retirement that individuals have to take some responsibility. First. All people have to save money for the future. It is not my fault if someone blows their cash over a lifetime. But I also don’t mind contributing just to help my fellow man. I wish Social Security had been setup to save money for when the baby boomers retire instead of our government spending it on other discretionary funding. But the surplus was probably used to help other programs. And with all the borrowing going on already, in the future those programs will not likely have full funding either.
I know damn well that we always at certain time cannot put aside for the future. But at many times we are able to. Choices. Family. Support network. Those help if available. Sadly many do not have that either.
Pensions, 401k, and Social Security are there to help if possible. There will always be people who do not have enough. There are federal and state programs to help but people regardless of politics have to watch out for themselves first. If they can help others, great. Between Charity, State, Local, Federal I hope we can ease peoples stress.
The way you are pointing fingers at Republicans and Some Christians with one finger reminds me that three fingers are pointing back at you!
No worries. I certainly want to own my ideas and want you to do the same. But if you take a different position on these threads I will answer every now and then with a different alternative or even in agreement once in a great while.
I want healthcare to work. I truly do. This has become an issue where it affects all of us. I sincerely hope that in the end, after all the mistakes, arguing and pointing fingers, it will all work out.
November 18, 2013 at 11:04 pm #800040
skeeterParticipantWell said HMC Rich. I enjoy reading your posts. I agree with just about everything you say. Thank you for contributing.
November 18, 2013 at 11:29 pm #800041
JanSParticipantretired60…I am 66, and I doubt I know any contemporaries who have that kind of money in the bank. Especially if one of them acquires a long term illness, and it prevents them from working much. I foresee a lot of house sharing in their/our “golden years”.If there is/was a pension or 401K in their lives, the latest recession/almost depression surely tanked those. I have socialized medicine of a sort, too. Medicare is just that, and I am thankful for that. I can’t imagine anyone would opt out of having health insurance, including young people. Sh*t happens, and it doesn’t play fair sometimes, and can affect a person of any age.
Rich…please tell me what the Republicans have done for me lately.Passed a jobs bill? Allowed all people, whether gay or straight to be safe in their jobs? (ENDA – you know, the one that Mr. Boehner refuses to even bring up for a vote, something he does a lot).
And your comment of abortion to be “somewhat legal”. No, Rich, it’s legal…yet look at the Repubs in Texas, preventing as many women as possible to not be able to get that legal procedure. Yet, heaven forbid that companies should have to include birth control coverage in insurance policies – they’re trying like heck to make that a fact. But not one, not one, has a problem with Viagra, etc. Because it’s LEGAL.No need to mess with it. Oh, even some will do commercials for it. I could go on and on , but you catch my drift. Do not sit in your house and attempt to tell me that the Repub/ Tea Party are blameless, and care about constituents. I simply don’t believe it. And, for the record. I don’t approve of everything the Dems do, either – but I do think they’re a little more compassionate towards their everyday constituents, instead of the top few.
We will simply have to agree to disagree, Rich. Hey, if we all felt the same way about everything, how boring would life be?
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