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September 27, 2008 at 5:52 am #641271
RainyDay1235MemberEach debate has a topic. Tonight’s was foreign policy and national security. I believe this is the rest of the schedule:
October 2, 2008: Vice Presidential debate, Washington University, St. Louis, MO
October 7, 2008: Presidential debate in a town hall format (no set topic), Belmont University, Nashville, TN
October 15, 2008: Presidential debate with domestic policy focus, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY
September 27, 2008 at 5:57 am #641272
CountingCoupMemberExactly ellenater, as we dissect the debate I think it will be apparent who was the real winner.
I just hope these types of discussions are occurring in those states that are defined the heartland of America.
In many respects here in the NW we are preaching to the crowd.
BTW that is one of the reasons why I live here and particularly in West Seattle!
September 27, 2008 at 6:01 am #641273
CountingCoupMemberThanks Rainy Day, I am almost tentative about that Vice Pres debate after seeing clips of the Katie Couric interview but what the hey, its all about selecting a VP…
September 27, 2008 at 6:18 am #641274
RainyDay1235MemberMy mostly-biased thoughts….
* McCain appeared very disrespectful right from the handshake – reluctant to address Obama directly, look him in the eye etc.
* Of course they are going to agree on some points, but yes – Obama said “John, you’re right” way too much, esp. since McCain never gave him that in return.
* McCain – poor choice of tie, and too pale
* McCain sounds just like Bush when he laughs
* Obama was not clear enough on his initial position on the Russian invasion of Georgia
* McCain was holding onto that ‘old’ pen way too tight (old?)
* McCain said ‘Ms. Congeniality’ and ‘fundamental’ way too much
* Obama lowered his head to listen and concentrate and listen when he could have been making more eye contact with the camera
* McCain came across as too old
* Obama did not come across as too young
Overall, good debate. I feel Obama came out far ahead (and fact-checking seems to show Obama was more correct in his)….And this was McCain’s strong area?
September 27, 2008 at 6:25 am #641275
HunterGParticipantLooking forward to the next debate, I’m sure Obama’s people are all over him about the “John is right.” comments.
I thought the audience response meter was interesting. Isn’t it funny that when McCain even came on screen those “lines” dropped, and tanked when he spoke?
The fact that John McCain didn’t outright win this evenings debate, which was focused on one of his “specialties”, Forgien Policy, won’t prove well for him.
Can’t wait to see Joe Biden tear apart Sarah, that will be great.
Edited to add a response/addition to RainyDay’s last post.
*McCain stuck out his tounge like a snake too much when sucking up all his extra saliva.
Sorry, couldn’t resist – we can’t be serious ALL the time :.)
September 27, 2008 at 6:33 am #641276
RainyDay1235Member* I think Obama must have won $100 bet from Joe Biden by working in the word “orgy” LOL
September 27, 2008 at 6:35 am #641277
mellaw6565MemberI agree with most of the assessments so far. I also thought Obama looked a little pale and sweaty vs. earlier Democratic debates.
I also thought Obama was too diplomatic and McCain was too condescending. Obama needs to beef up his “slam dunk” moments. One of the best tonight was the “why use a hatchet when what you need is a scalpel” remark.
Still, I’m disappointed that I didn’t hear a lot of substance from either of them tonight, despite Lehrer’s attempts to pin them down – especially when he asked them what they would cut next year as part of the bailout plan. They both skirted the issue several times.
Obama’s steadfastness on doing a surgical strike in Pakistan if Osama Bin Laden turns up is the right approach, IMO, given Pakistan’s unwillingness/inability to stem the rise of extremism in the area. McCain made a couple of clear historical mistakes in talking about Musharaf’s rise to power. It was clear he didn’t know much of their history.
Zen – you’re right about the 100 million – I glanced at the number too quick! That’s why I teach LA and Social Studies:) LOL
September 27, 2008 at 6:57 am #641278
HunterGParticipantRainyDay – Oh my god! I am laughing so hard right now!!
September 27, 2008 at 1:34 pm #641279
cruiserMemberVery sedate compared the election debates we had back home. Obama needs to grow a pair and take it to McCain,get him angry and make him throw a wobbly:)
September 27, 2008 at 3:04 pm #641280
MagpieParticipantI thought McCain was pretty condescending. I also found it interesting how he inferred many times that Obama lacked experience. Huh? I thought that was pretty risky considering who his running mate is. Then I thought, maybe that old line is all that he can remember..I think if I were Obama, I would call Colbert and Stewart and ask them if their writers could come up with some effective one liners..and then figure out how to incorporate them.
September 27, 2008 at 3:37 pm #641281
grrParticipantIt bugs me that Obama doesn’t get the concept that if you CUT taxes on business, it encourages business growth. I don’t know anyone that’s ever gotten a job from a poor person. Lord knows MY business would grow faster if I didn’t shell out so much tax $$.
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It also amazes me the Huckabee was the ONLY candidate running that understood how great the FairTax.org plan is. Too bad he was a right-wing bible-thumping bonehead.
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I still stand by my main tenants of how to fix our country’s mess (and I’m still voting for Obama).
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three easy steps:
1) ELIMINATE the Capital Gains Tax COMPLETELY.
2) Cut corporate taxes DRASTICALLY (nobody ever gets hired by a poor person). Rich people start and build companies and CREATE JOBS). Employed people PAY TAXES. (mostly).
3) Govt Mandate that ALL mortgage companies/banks, etc., offer a ONE-TIME Refinance for anyone that wants it. 4.5-5% fixed, 30-40 year. NO POINTS, NO CLOSING COSTS, NO REALTOR BS FEES..
– Let some of that 700 BIL that the govt seemed to be able to pull out of their ass COVER whatever loss their MIGHT be for people who’s mortgages are upside down.
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and yes..I like Obama. Not to thrilled with Biden tho…I’m fed up with old white guys with bad comb-overs running this country.
September 27, 2008 at 3:48 pm #641282
GenHillOneParticipantI think I’ve a little fried and still digesting, but why isn’t any of the media talking about McCain’s utterance of “horsesh*t” twice during Obama’s mention of his Spain gaffe? (4:30 mark)
September 27, 2008 at 5:03 pm #641283
GenHillOneParticipantWell, there are some arguments now that McCain was saying “course not” – so, okay maybe, it was muffled. So if we go with that, was he saying “course not” to the fact that he said he wouldn’t meet with Spain, that country in South America? Whatever you say, John.
September 27, 2008 at 5:32 pm #641284
CountingCoupMemberIn the case of McCain making any statements about SPAIN, he would have been better off saying nothing.
I listened to the questions posed to McCain several times by the reporter in Miami who had a Spanish speaking accent.
And I could not help but conclude that McCain believed she (reporter) when asking if McCain would meet Spain’s Prime Minister José Luis RodrÃguez Zapatero, he immediately thought Zapatero was a leader in our Latin countries.
In fact McCain started talking about Latin America immediately. When she corrected him into the side of the world, and that she was asking about a meeting with Spain, he seemed dumbfounded.
The stance his campaign in trying to cover up for a Homer Simpson “doh” moment was that McCain is not guaranteeing a meeting with the NATO Ally Spain.
I guess his campaign thinks that is the lesser of two decision based on a huge gaffe of his broad generalization that if you speak Spanish you must be from Latin America.
Now that was a classic Bush moment!
September 27, 2008 at 6:29 pm #641285
JanSParticipantI sit here pondering last night’s debate, and no matter how I feel about the outcome, it’s interesting to flip between CNN, MSNBC, and Fox to hear all the different takes on it…at times thinking if we were listening to the same thing. If the news people are doing that, then the public must be, too.
September 28, 2008 at 4:07 am #641286
CaitParticipantHow can we expect McCain to participate in a foreign policy discussion with leaders that we aren’t fond of (but share this planet with) if he can’t make eye contact with a man who, just like him, wants the best for this country?! It was overtly disrespectful and cowardly! You can say a lot of unfounded and ridiculous things when you don’t have to look your opponent in the face – and that’s just about what I saw.
Does anyone else wish that there could be a FactCheck.com station with closed captioning that was available in real time with picture-in-picture? I would love that. There was a lot of “nuh-uh” “yeah-huh” “nuh-uh!” “yeah-huh!”ing going on.
Who the hell did the makeup by the way? Chris Matthews actually looked decent on MSNBC and it was McCain and Obama that looked like a mortician had their way with them.
September 28, 2008 at 4:48 am #641287
addParticipantCait – re: the factcheck.com station idea. I kept thinking they should have a feature like “phone a friend” on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire to check things out. Like when they kept arguing about what Petreus or Kissinger said – I wanted Jim Lehrer to say, “well, let’s just give him a call and find out exactly what it is he DID say!”.
September 28, 2008 at 5:07 am #641288
CaitParticipantadd – an excellent idea! Live feed!
September 28, 2008 at 2:43 pm #641289
addParticipantFunny, on SNL last night Amy Poehler & Tina Fey did a sketch on the Palin interview with Katie Couric – Fey/Palin asked if she could phone a friend to answer one of the questions!
September 28, 2008 at 3:39 pm #641290
grrParticipantTina Fey is BRILLIANT as Palin. Hysterical.
September 28, 2008 at 5:11 pm #641291
WSMomParticipanthttp://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html
Fact checking the debate
September 28, 2008 at 7:44 pm #641292
JanSParticipantanother perspective..
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/opinion/28dowd.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin
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