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March 21, 2008 at 1:22 am #618472
JoBParticipantwalfredo..
you are making a lot of assumptions that i’m not…
like calling it a brokered convention… as tho that meant something.
have you ever been to a convention? Do you actually know what goes on there?
you might start by attending our state convention.. at least i think it’s called that… in april. that would give you some insight as to the process.
where is ken for the details when i need him?
BTW.., just for those who think i am calling in reinforcements… LOL… since he hasn’t been around these threads much lately … ken is not pro Hillary.. but he has a great understanding of the nuts and bolts of the process.
all conventions are “brokered” unless there is a clear winner prior to the convention. Your candidate is as busy trying to secure superdelgates as Hillary. what do you think Ted Kennedy has been doing for your guy while the rest of you are concentrating on the state primaries?
and it’s not about having a clear lead… wait.. i was ahead.
it’s an all or nothing show. You have it all or you are guaranteed nothing.
This is nothing special for your candidate. it’s the same deal for all of them.
i could as easily say… it’s clear at this point that your candidate can’t win… and the republicans are out for blood now… and we don’t know much about what they are going to find… so he should back off and let a proven campaigner win… for the good of th party.
Do you like the sound of that? probably not.
Well, i don’t like the sound of your story much either.
this is politics… it’s what produces your national candidates. Like it, don’t like it.. it doesn’t much matter… unless of course you decide to invest yourself in change…
then someday.. someone else can insist that you get out of their way because they don’t like the way you have been doing things.
And you will be going.. but wait.. don’t you understand the process?
as for sour grapes… i think that’s a personal problem.
if your sour grapes will stand in the way of electing a democrat in the fall if it isn’t your candidate… then i have to wonder about your commitment to the process in the first place.
I would rather have 10 committed democrats than 100 who are just around for the party.
There will still be work to be done after the election is over.
fortunately for those who support Obama … at this point the party isn’t sure whether it agrees… It’s so excited about the crush of new democrats that it hasn’t taken stock of them yet.
and that is just a personal opinion.
March 21, 2008 at 1:24 am #618473
JoBParticipantJT…
McCain can’t afford to associate himself too closely with this.. of course the aide was fired.
March 21, 2008 at 2:30 am #618474
charlabobParticipantJoB, fortunately I doubt the democratic party concurs with your negative assessment of the “new democrats” as being uncommitted. If you would, indeed, rather have 10 “committed democrats” which sounds a lot like old party hacks to me, then you need to think a little bit about the numbers.
We win if we get more votes — and if we prevent the ongoing Republican mission to disenfrancise Democratic voters. All the rest is noise. If we don’t do the latter, it won’t matter who we nominate.
By the way, the “new party” folks excelled at caucuses, which require a hell of a lot more work than elections. As far as I know, Clinton hasn’t won a single caucus. That says a lot for the lack of imagination and creativity of her supporters, who apparently just want to do things in the same old way.
Face it, she thought she was annointed. When some whippersnapper came along and snapped her whip, she went nuts. Now she just looks like another desperate about-to-be-loser. It makes me sad; but it makes me madder.
March 21, 2008 at 3:15 am #618475
JoBParticipantcharla..
now don’t make me get testy with you too:) i have not had a coke all day and i am definately short tempered.
who is making the assumption that committed democrats are old party hacks? i’m not.
but i do think a commitment to campaign for the nominee no matter who that nominee ends up being… is essential for anyone who wants to throw the good of the party at me… including you:)
as for thinking she was anointed… i don’t think that.
But i do think she thought she had earned the nomination… and was surprised to find some whippersnapper suddenly backed by those she thought supported her.
And i don’t see her as frantic… just besieged…
on this forum today..
i understood all too well how she must feel.
March 21, 2008 at 4:57 am #618476
JanSParticipanta clarification….the McCain aide who was “suspended” was just that..not fired….after his 2 weeks sitting in the corner with the dunce hat on (or however long it will be), there is the possibility that he/she will be welcomed back into the fold. And the fact that he was a Laura Ingraham show producer speaks volumes.
Now, Rew Res..yes the material was already out there…but not as he/she edited it. That’s dishonest, and we should be above saying that’s OK, no matter what candidate it happens to.
March 21, 2008 at 4:58 am #618477
JanSParticipantok…back to my hole :)
March 21, 2008 at 6:00 am #618478
AnonymousInactiveJanS, thank-you. Those were my thoughts as well. This was not just repeating what was out there. This was specifically produced to make Obama look like he was participating in Wrights remarks.
Hillary’s campaign has gotten rid of supporters for sending out false accusations. Edwards got rid of a couple for blogging derogatory remarks about Catholics. Obama got rid of the person who called Hillary a monster. McCain laughed when a supporter called Hillary a b..ch. And then this guy just gets suspended after McCain repeatedly says he’s going to take the high road and not run a campaign “like that”.
I don’t think anybody needs to necessarily get fired over any of this (what supporters say and do), but where is the equal outrage and the demands for someone’s head.
March 21, 2008 at 2:52 pm #618479
JoBParticipantMcCain doesn’t need to get his hands dirty…
and he has always been about the appearance of avoiding dirt….
but the video exists and the links exist and he doens’t have to let his campaign use it for it to be effective…
and please remember.. these are the people who brought us swift boat… they will use that and much much more.
it is early days… it is actually to Obama’s benefit to have this one come out now and for Obama to weather it if he can.
I don’t know if he can. From the news last night it looks like he may just be digging himself a deeper hole.
McCain won’t want to add fuel to the fire yet… he is a good political stategist… or at least his handlers are…
If Obama struggles with this one.. it just shows them one area of weakness …
there will be others.
March 21, 2008 at 4:03 pm #618480
beachdrivegirlParticipanthmmm. i wonder when we will hear McCains speach. At least with Obama, he acknowledged the pastor video and addressed the issue..funny that it seems McCain just ignores the issue when the tides turn.
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
March 21, 2008 at 4:17 pm #618481
WSMomParticipanthttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/mccain-repeats-iranal-qa_n_92349.html
“For the third time in two days, the Arizona Republican has pushed the definitively false statement that the terrorist group Al-Qaeda was getting assistance from Iran, even though he was publicly ridiculed for the same false assertion on Tuesday.
It was, he said, “common knowledge and has been reported in the media that al-Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran, that’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.”
Sen. Joseph Lieberman, who was accompanying McCain on the trip, was forced to lean over and whisper in McCain’s ear that it was Shiite extremists, not Sunni al-Qaeda, that was going to predominantly Shiite Iran.”
Lest we forget, the case for going to war with Iraq was partly built upon Bush/Cheney repeatedly lying about Saddam’s ties to al-Qaeda. John McCain isn’t even president yet (God forbid) and he is already starting the misinformation campaign to get us into war with Iran. It is inconceivable for me to consider this man a worthy candidate for the office of President. McSame indeed!
March 21, 2008 at 4:20 pm #618482
walfredoMemberJoB- there has been one brokered convention in the parties recent history- the winner was selected by the party, not the people because he was “more electable”. Walter Mondale lost 49 of 50 states (winning his home state of Minnesota), and he had a racist and a bigot on his ticket as Vice President.
That will never happen again, and people like Bill Richardson should show any Hillary supporter that the writing is more then already on the wall…
By the way- please read the CNN article about Reverend Wright’s 9/11 sermon. The sound clip made famous is a DIRECT QUOTE of a senior Reagan official given on FOX NEWS earlier in the week after 9/11. Rev. Wright credits the comment to him, and it is never suggested in the speech while in context that those are Rev Wright’s words!
March 21, 2008 at 4:36 pm #618483
walfredoMemberI forget the other great correlation between the two campaigns; besides the obvious of not winning the primary and being woeful in the general election… Mondale won by showing his electibilty with a 3 AM red phone advertisement!
Those who can’t remember the past, are condemned to repeat it…
March 21, 2008 at 4:52 pm #618484
charlabobParticipantWSMom thanks for the Huffington Post quotation. It’s important to remember that the Repubs don’t do anything accidentally, and it is dangerous to imagine they do. This isn’t a “faux paw” misstatement from a confused old man — it’s a deliberate attempt to mislead the American(sic) people into believing the false connections they’ve made to propagate their war.
March 21, 2008 at 5:19 pm #618485
WSMomParticipantCharlabob: My thoughts exactly!! Three times is no accident! McSame is one scary old guy in my book. We need to start the drumbeat for peace and that will begin when we vote a democrat into office (come on guys, really, Clinton or Obama would lead us in a much more sane direction than McCain ever could).
I have a 20 year old nephew who has just joined the army (truly his lifelong ambition, we could only beg him not to for so long). He’s counting on us to vote a democrat into office because he believes, as I do, that a Democratic Commander in Chief will do a better job keeping the American people’s interest at heart, not corporate interests.
We need to concentrate on illuminating and broadcasting McCain’s worrisome words and actions and stop flicking dirt between democratic candidates!! Please!! The stakes are too high.
Clinton is a US Senator and an intelligent accomplished woman who is organized and committed and can do great things! Obama is US Senator who is an intelligent accomplished man who is organized and committed and can do great things!!!!! There is barely a dimes worth of difference between their stated goals!
I am a delegate for Obama, I will vote for him on April 5 with pride and hope for the future of our country. If in November Clinton is on the democratic ticket, I will vote for her with pride and hope for the future of our country.
Please join me in resolving to keep our eyes on the big picture, NO MORE REPUBLICAN IDIOTS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!! yes, I shouted that last comment :)
March 21, 2008 at 5:34 pm #618486
charlabobParticipantDoes anyone have a link to the CNN article about the real, in context content of the Wright speech? I can’t find it and I want to call the talking heads of KUOW and straighten out :-)
March 21, 2008 at 5:35 pm #618487
AnonymousInactiveWSMom, can you make that into a bumper sticker.
March 21, 2008 at 5:38 pm #618488
AnonymousInactiveMarch 21, 2008 at 5:39 pm #618489
beachdrivegirlParticipantCharlabob. I believe it was posted under the Obama tag by Walfredo…
March 21, 2008 at 5:47 pm #618490
charlabobParticipantThank you … I’m on hold now :-) And also send them email. I think it’s really important that we spread the real word.
March 21, 2008 at 6:05 pm #618491
walfredoMemberhttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/21/martin-full-story-behind-wrights-911-sermon/
This is the original link with text of the sermons context. Specifically the paragraph immediately after the sound bite…
March 21, 2008 at 6:28 pm #618492
JoBParticipanti have said all along that the actual content on Reverend wright’s speech is not the real problem…
the real problem is how FOX news will use it.. and how the rest of network news will jump on the bandwagon.
And then how America reacts….
Explanations work when you are talking to reasonable people…
not so much when you are talking to those who would rather not think…
March 21, 2008 at 6:32 pm #618493
JoBParticipantWS MOM…
i am tired this morning.. so i can’t remember who it is that resigned just recently… i think the military guy in the middle east…
hubby said.. they are clearing the decks for someone who agrees with them.. start listening for anti-Iran news…
Iran has always been on the table and there is an election coming up.
I expect some action.. and this time i don’t think they will go to congress first…
we have to fight terrorism you know.. because… well, because we can.
the only problem is with the definition of terrorism.. seems you can call anybody anything these days.
March 21, 2008 at 6:38 pm #618494
JoBParticipantWalfredo…
i hope you love irony…
th convention you site is why there are now super delegates:)
have a great day!
March 21, 2008 at 6:42 pm #618495
JoBParticipantWalfredo..
forgot to point one other small thing out..
“he had a racist and a bigot on his ticket as Vice President.”
Gratuitous name calling doesn’t prove a thing about your candidate and doesn’t help your argument.
If you are going to quote history.. it helps to know history.
She was not branded a bigot or racist until the Jesse Jackson remark… and that was significantly later.
The real reason Ferrarro was a liability on the Mondale ticket was that she is a woman.
It is still her biggest liability.
March 21, 2008 at 6:44 pm #618496
walfredoMemberHere is the speech, if anyone wants to actually know what really was said.
This starts getting really interesting at 3:00 minutes in…
Be afraid of your media. They lie…
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