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May 5, 2009 at 6:16 pm #664927
JoBParticipantIt’s too easy to focus on the kid in front of us who has become a problem and not on the root causes of the problem.
ADHD.. autism… the number of conditions that render our children incapable of treating others as anything other than objects is rising rapidly…
we need to get serious about learning how to prevent these conditions and helping those children who are already impacted.
We need to fund our juvenile justice system and put more children in group homes where they get both treatment and a structured environment.
We need to be serious about nutrition programs and medical care and the availability of structured safe environments for pregnant women.
We need to get serious about supporting at risk children and their families…
instead we got serious about locking them up.. a solution that is less effective and more expensive but relieves us of any social responsibility.
It’s probably far too late for this kid but it’s not too late for others.
May 5, 2009 at 6:29 pm #664928
Lucile 2MemberJoB-
ADHD and autism are not the same thing. This kid may have mental issues going on, but let’s not blanket it under the autism and ADHD umbrella (not saying it is not possible, but I don’t buy it). Are you talking about group homes for those with autism, or just for juvenille offenders? Group homes for those with neurological disorders rarely provide treatment or structured environments, it is a poorly managed daycare.
This child seems to be aware of his crimes and his behavior, let’s not diagnose him with ADHD or autism, we don’t even know him.
May 5, 2009 at 6:39 pm #664929
JoBParticipantLucile 2..
i am talking about group homes for juvenile offenders as a part of their rehabilitation process..
i believe the higher incidence of disorders like ADHD and autism.. both of which can cause children to treat treat other humans as objects.. although for very different reasons.. contributes both to the higher incidence of juvenile crime and to the lack of success of our current juvenile system in dealing with repeat offenders.
mostly, i believe in spending our money on prevention first… it’s cheaper.. it’s more effective.. and it’s more satisfying.
May 5, 2009 at 6:51 pm #664930
Lucile 2Memberokay, I don’t know about group home for juvenile offenders, so that claifies it for me :) The brave people who take on that job–wow!
I also believe in the higher incidences of autism, partly due to better diagnosis techniques, perhaps due to typos in the DSM-IV, perhaps due to genetics and environmental factors, but I have to laugh when people assume that bad behavior can be explained with autism (or ADHD). That is why I we shouldn’t feel sorry for Skyelar until he evaluated by a neurologist and is diagnosed. In all the encounters with him, has anyone mentioned that he has autism and isn’t taking his Risperdal? I haven’t heard that yet from reliable sources, so I don’t buy the whole autism bit. And just for clarification for those reading, all individuals with autism do not treat humans as objects.
Autism takes many different shapes and forms, and empathy doesn’t change behavior, autism or not.
We cannot focus on prevention first, we have to spread it across all fields. Prevention doesn’t take care of the children and teens who are currently in our schools. We need to have a plan of how to deal with these children when they are adults, something the state doesn’t even want to think about.
May 5, 2009 at 7:48 pm #664931
DunnoParticipantLucile,
I had regular contact with Skyelar and his grandmother who both told me about the ADHD.
As far as anthing else, I don’t know, but the ADHD
is a fact. I wouldn’t write speculation about this. He told me he took med for it.
May 5, 2009 at 7:54 pm #664932
IrukandjiParticipantWho needs prescription meds when you can be thizzin on ecstasy?
May 5, 2009 at 9:17 pm #664933Dear Mr. ThaLamp and Friends,
Please note that all information shared about Mr. Hailey is available to the public and is in public records available online including but not limited to photos and court documents. Mr. Hailey is now an adult, and as such his records are open for review, and members of the community may read through them accordingly as it suits their interests.
Best regards,
Public Information
May 5, 2009 at 9:51 pm #664934
GinaParticipantThe QIC Information number from the Seattle Public Library?
May 5, 2009 at 10:03 pm #664935Indeed! SPL QIC Info is always there to help.
May 5, 2009 at 10:32 pm #664936
JoBParticipantLucile 2…
i believe that the kids in the system now are the product of over a decade of budget cuts to the programs that would help them… we are now learning to our dismay that a penny saved there is going to cost us a lot more than a pound soon.
Unfortunately, incarceration may be the only answer for many of them now..
I agree that autism and ADHD and their cousins are not an excuse for criminal behavior. Many kids with any and all of those disorders go on to become contributing self sustaining adults.. in fact, some of our more talented achievers come from this group.
but.. when you combine those disorders with a lack of programs teaching them how to be successful and a preference for drug therapy over behavior therapy and a disadvantaged home and too many incentives to commit crimes.. you get kids like this one.
It is a tragedy that kids smart enough to be successful criminals don’t see a reason to make better use of their skills… for them and for us…
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