Hot for Hillary

[JoB]

JT..

is that how this works?

there wasn’t even much conversation when there was no dissenting point of view…

Let’s see… I wasnt’ posting… those who posted chose the Hot for Hillary thread to post… and the posts were strongly anti-Hillary…

hmm.. i’m sorry. i don’t see where i should take any responsibility for those who chose this thread to bash Hillary…

but i am somehow responsible.. even for that which occurred while i wasn’t posting.. because i was rude enough to name it.

LOL

so.. if there is a dissenting point of view.. then that point of view is responsible for all ensuing statements…

and you get to slap that personally on me since i am the only dissenting point of view…

funny how that works…

now THAT is a position i never thought you would take…

i thought you a woman very much in favor of dissenting voices…

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[Trick]

My mom who is 60+, raised with a conservative backhand liked both Hillary and Barack. Although now she is repulsed by Hillary’s tactics and is a staunch supporter of Barack.

What’s your point?

To discount someone’s age for their opinion and passion is about as elitist as me stating someone’s old age is irrelevant.

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[Trick]

sry, 70+

(She’d kill me if she knew I was saying that)

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[Anonymous]

*there wasn’t even much conversation when there was no dissenting point of view…*

Exactly my point. You said if we were confident we wouldn’t be rehashing old points. We weren’t. Now we are again because someone began the re-hashing and it wasn’t us. Quit trying to paint me as someone who doesn’t value different opinions. I was addressing a specific point of yours where you’re trying to have it both ways.

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[JoB]

Kayleigh…

i had to scroll back to see how i could have misrepresented you.. and i honestly can’t see it.

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[Kayleigh]

No, Jo, I’m sure you can’t, because you are bound and determined to be a victim.

Well then, please by all means think that people like stabbing small animals, and that I think when people do it, it’s hilarious. Wow, you all sure have me figured out here.

I enjoy the suffering of others and the stabbing of small animals.

*boggles*

Really, this whole conversation is as silly as 40+ posts on the main page on parking, for heaven’s sake.

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[JoB]

Trick..

I didn’t say there aren’t older women who support Barak…

i belong to a group of older women.. in fact i am the baby of the crowd.. and to a woman.. those who support barak do so because of the enthusiasm of their children or grandchildren.. or at least that is what they say…

there are certainly worse reasons to support a candidate…

I even know women my age who support barak who do so because they are fed up and want a change…

again.. not a bad reason to support a candidate…

I think anyone of any age can support any candidate for any reason.. even just because they are republican:)

The issue of age came about in response to electability.. and i pointed out that the demographic where Clinton is strongest also happens to be one of the largest voting blocks…

and also contains the group of people most likely to cross the democratic/republican political party barrier to vote for an opposing candidate… given incentive…

The first woman president is a pretty large incentive…

Label me sexist for pointing that out if you like…

so, will you also be going after those who were calling Hillary’s supporters uneducated older white women.. for the same reason?

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[walfredo]

JoB- you are completely missing the point. I’m not at all unconfident in Obama winning the nomination. Haven’t been since the Wisconsin primary in early March when he secured a mathmatical lock on the nomination. My focus is on the general election, and the fact that a candidate that has already lost won’t let it begin.

My prediction for Saturday- Clinton refuses to accept anything that is offered or discussed and the states are left unresolved. (By law, the best case she can get Saturday is 50% of the delegates seated, which would end the race)…

Write it down, it will happen, she will not accept any agreement Saturday. So, despite the clear and compelling fact that even if she got everything she wanted no matter how unfair, she is still losing. The failure to accept whatever is presented Saturday to her, will keep the media narrative of “Florida and Michigan” being undecided alive… All the while she will continue to spout off made up metrics claiming victory, purposefully dividing the party and purposefully prohibiting it from even trying to coalesce for the general.

This just might be enough to carry her to the conevention. If this goes to the convention, really if this goes another month, the winning candidates general election chances go down dramatically… It’s a fact. Every disputed convention in democrat history has resulted in a losing candidate.

So this is where we are at. It’s exactly where we were in early March. Obama’s lead is actually bigger then it was after Wisconsin, after the big “comeback” we’ve got to witness. The only question is will the sociapath accept reality, or continue on her own planet?

BTW- I have 0 confidence that Obama reaching 2025 or 2110 or whatever number Clinton makes up next Wednesday will get her to dropout. As the lunatic has stated, and restated- pledged delagates aren’t bound by the voters, and the supers can change there minds…

It is now time, well Tuesday evening it will be time, for overwhelming pressure from all sides to put her out of her misery…. And it is the only hope of keeping McCain out of office at this point…

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[JoB]

JT..

the point you seem to be missing is that i don’t control this conversation. i am far too busy responding to it…

So if there is rehashing, it must be because the same points keep coming up over and over…

I certainly didn’t start this thread as a venue for Hillary bashing..

i started this thread because there was no other upon which i could talk about my candidate positively without spending several hours refuting one inflated claim after another.

That didn’t last long, did it?

Not even when i stopped posting.

But… somehow i am to blame.

I will tell you what i hold myself responsible for…

I hold myself responsible for saying a lot of things people on this blog clearly don’t want to hear.

If you are unable to hear anything that doesn’t fall in line with the media story of Hillary’s bad intentions and malicious intent… then i am truly sorry.

But there is a political battle going on out there for the future of the party that i have invested most of my life in.

i think it is important.

but more than that, i think it is important to challenge inflations and innuendos that are presented as truth…

I thought that when i was defending John Kerry.. and i still think that now.

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[beachdrivegirl]

I just find it sad that people are so blinded by what they once knew in Hillary to actually believe her out right lies and misrepresenations. Enough is enough and if the rolls were reversed I believe Obama would have had more then enough respect to drop out. She cant win! She will not win! Right now Hillary is campainging for 2012!!! And like I said before the media is not against Hills. If they were they would not create this insane newsline that Michigan and florida will change Hills standings. Newsflash, in case you cant do the math yourself, it wont. The media is also what has created this *false* hope for Hillary supporters out there that she has a chance when in fact she has been out for weeks. So no JoB dont pull the poor Hillary and media talking.

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[JoB]

kayleigh…

i am not presenting you as someone who wants to harm puppies…

i found your “joke” which related a story in which Hillary stabbed puppies offensive.

I found it even more offensive when it was explained as a joke…

let’s try reversing it and see if you find this an acceptable joke… just poking fun…

“You would defend Obama no matter what he did … if Obama was caught raping women, you would just say that the rapes were exaggerated and that it was consensual and that they were only after him because he was black”

funny? i don’t think so.

you talk of me carrying things to extremes…

i think that post and those that followed did exactly that.. carried something to an extreme that you didn’t intend…

and i am really tired of this label of victim. I have been very clear that i don’t label myself a victim.. nor do i feel victimized.

I am perfectly capable of defending myself and my ideas… perhaps far too capable for the comfort of many of you…

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[JoB]

really now…

let’s say walfredo that i accept your entire hypothesis..

Explain to me why the same argument you made for Hillary conceding does not also hold for Obama conceding…

If he conceded.. Hillary could get on with the business of the election… pull in crossover female vote.. and beat John McCain.

I think that sounds good!

Boy.. i really missed out here. instead of defending Hillary.. i should have just been demanding Obama bow out for the good of the party:)

Cool!

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[Anonymous]

*I started this thread because there was no other upon which i could talk about my candidate positively without spending several hours refuting one inflated claim after another.*

Be the change you wish to see. No one is stopping you from writing positive things about Hillary. No one is compelling you to refute every comment you deem offensive. That is a personal choice.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Why woudl Obama concede when he is ahead in the delegate count, popular vote, superdelegates, and contests won??? Only becasue Hillary feels entitled to being President… that is an insane argument.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Why woudl Obama concede when he is ahead in the delegate count, popular vote, superdelegates, and contests won??? Only becasue Hillary feels entitled to being President… that is an insane argument.

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[JoB]

beachdrivegirl…

i think you are right…some people are clearly blinded by the campaign rhetoric they listen to daily..

They honestly believe that they can decide the intention behind another person’s words or actions and that if they can get enough people to agree with them.. any insinuation.. any label… should should be accepted as truth.

They have suspended critical thought.

You would dismiss a hard working woman’s entire adult career because the evidence it contains doesn’t support your impression…you would accept republican propaganda as truth because it tells a story you want to hear…

If Obama ends up being our nominee.. i am afraid you are going to find yourself on the receiving end of that kind of media blitz…

what will you tell the people who believe in all those insinuations about Obama when you so readily believed them yourself about Hillary?

That is the real problem with the kind of anti-Hillary campaign that has been waged… it doesn’t leave you in a really strong position when it comes time to defend your candidate from the same tactics.

After all.. if enough people say it.. it must be true.. right???

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[Kayleigh]

Jo, just stop it.

Good god, what is wrong with you?

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[beachdrivegirl]

what will you tell the people who believe in all those insinuations about Obama- actually if you visited the mccain thread i am doing just fine supporting obama. obama is more than qualified to e President. And do not put words in my mouth Iam not dismissing her adult career life i am just chosing to see that she is far from the type of leadership as I want as my commander in cheif.

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[Anonymous]

Kayleigh – You are literally cracking me up. I can’t believe we disagree so often!

JoB – I think JT has a point. You can make this thread whatever you chose. Have you taken a look at the “McCain” thread? Even the title is somewhat of a bashing with the question marks included. And didn’t YOU start and title that thread?

I certainly don’t engage in every bashing that is done to him. Why waste my time?

I think, JoB, and I hope that you don’t take this personally, but you are very good at turning things around. You say things and then say something else that kinda means the same thing, but not quite… I can’t even explain it.

I have no problems, though, obviously, with ANY of this dialogue. I intend to refer back to it come this fall.

Please carry on!!!!

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[JoB]

Kayleigh..

nothing is wrong with me.

i didn’t choose that as a joke. i didn’t choose to keep defending it as a joke..

i don’t think it was either appropriate or funny…

i am truly sorry it makes you uncomfortable for me to point that out to you.. i wouldn’t keep pointing it out if you didn’t keep bringing it up…

but has it occurred to you that your original remarks were insulting to me?

In effect, you equated hillary with being capable of acts you clearly wouldn’t want anyone to think you capable of.. and then stated that i would simply excuse what you agree to be reprehensible acts for the sake of argument.

I don’t know who it is that you think you are talking with.. but i do know that doesn’t describe me…

I could as easily ask you what is wrong with you that you think it is appropriate to insult me…

I honestly don’t think it even occurred to you in this climate in which it is not only permissible but righteous to insult Hillary and her supporters … that you would be insulting me….

and that’s really sad.

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[Kayleigh]

I don’t care if you think it’s funny. I mean, I really don’t care. You don’t pay me to be your personal comedienne. And exaggerated satire isn’t supposed to make you laugh. It’s supposed to make a point. Apparently you didn’t read “A Modest Proposal” in school. And of course, me saying that makes me elitist, doesn’t it?

You have insulted Obama and his supporters over and over again, in pages and pages of sneakily mean posts, and then claim the same thing has been done to Hillary by us–and to YOU by us.

You know what I said about Hillary and the victim triangle? Read it again, over and over, and google the concept. It’s a very interesting psychological construct and a lens with which many of us view the world, to some extent or another.

Now I am done. DONE, I tell you.

I have a trip to pack for.

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[walfredo]

JoB-

Thank you! You made my weekend. That has to be the best argument I’ve ever read…

Why doesn’t Obama drop out? Well, #1- he’s won the nomination… That’s kind of a biggie…

But lets get specific. I argued in early March, how I felt that Clinton supporters were setting a terrible precident with there willingness to have an election decided by “Super” people. That supporting a candidate whose only hope was having them overturn an election, well is a bad precident, and would be a devastating move for the party.

But this is much better now. So- now we are taking that off the table, because clearly it isn’t going to happen- heck he’s leading in Supers these days- “undecideds” like Pelosi, Reid, Carter etc… It is over.

So- I love it! The candidate who loses then blackmails the party by strongholding her supporters support in the general election. Thus forcing the winner to concede! That has to be the best precident for future elections I can imagine. It’s not about forming a winning coalition, its not about the primaries, the caucases, the superdelegates. None of that matters. It’s about inspiring enough lunatics to blackmail the party to support you, and discard the election winner. To disregard math and facts, and invent your own metrics. Then when presented with losing, just ignore it.

If anyone is wondering where my comments like- her gaining power as the end, absolutely and without exception justifies any possible mean that could be presented before her to obtain the power.

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[beachdrivegirl]

Kayleigh have a fab trip and relax!!

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[JoB]

JT

let’s see..

i started a thread so i could talk positively about my candidate when i was no longer able to do so on other threads…

others posters decided it was not ok to have any positive words about Hillary posted anywhere on this forum and chose the new thread to continue the ongoing round of virulent Hillary bashing…

therefore making it one more political thread too hostile for conversation among those who support Hillary.

when i quit posting.. they still chose this thread to continue Hillary bashing..

but it is all my fault because i defend her.

yeah.. right…

so the only way i could stop this all being my fault is if i let every insinuation about Hillary stand totally uncorrected…

I could post a few comments here and there and ignore the stream of rebuttals..

i think i would have to be some kind of saint to do that.. and i am pretty sure i am not..

or i could stop posting…

either way…

i couldn’t be part of the conversation.

nope.. even being a saint wouldn’t do it… because my sainthood would come at the cost of giving in to a bunch of bullies…

because that is what people who won’t let other people say something they don’t want to hear are.. bullies…

JT.. i am not going to defend my right to exist..

nor am i going to take responsibility for the tone of this conversation…

i attempted to turn it around several times with no success…

i leave.. i come back.. the tone of the conversation doesn’t change…

there is just noone presenting an opposing viewpoint..

go find someone or something else to hold responsible .. and stop blaming the negative tone of these posts on me.

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[JoB]

walfredo..

you have a rich fantasy life.

if Obama had won.. as you have been contending for weeks… there would be no conversation…

none of us knows how the political infighting will turn out… but i would bet on Hillary as being the better player… with far more political favors to call in than obama or his supporters…

i think there will be surprises yet…

so keep that fantasy life active… maybe you really can make the world over through your dreams ;-)

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