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    I used to have a modicum of respect for Bill..but he really needs to go back to his office in Harlem and shut up – lol. This isn’t the first time that those things have been said by that particular candidate’s camp… McCain a moderate? Oh, please….not !



    JanS- The other weird thing is, comments supporting McCain can’t be beneficial with regards to the superdelegates…

    The folks continuing to hold out hope that the Clintons have some grand plan, are going to be underwhelmed. Starting with that hilarious letter sent out yestereday by her supporters, its pretty clear that the campaigns plan is similar to the one they devised for the campaign after Super Tuesday…




    Well, I’ve come around — JoB is a very persuasive woman….as of today, Hillary’s the one (for me). Thanks for all the good words, J.



    Charlabob… It’s your obstinance that is the most entertaining. Now what am I going to do with my mornings.



    APRIL FOOL!!!!!!

    (good grief, JT — my obstinance even amuses me — I’ll never give it up.)

    Am now and will be Obamamaniac to the end, for some definition of the end. (Unless, of course, Edwards returns in a blaze of glory,)


    >>>Well, I’ve come around — JoB is a very >>>persuasive woman….as of today, Hillary’s the >>>one (for me). Thanks for all the good words, J.



    So I’m not the brightest bulb. I knew something was wrong with that and I fell for it anyway. What do you think about Edwards not endorsing either candidate? He’s be a great VP if we can’t have him on the top of the ticket. Think he’s trying to keep his options open?



    Charlabob you got me… I was in an awe at my desk ….i have been fooled twice today!! I need to learn nto to be so gullable. :) but hey if nothing else I am getting a few good laughs in….



    Hmmmmmm — we haven’t heard from JoB yet — if she reads these threads from the top … I’m in trouble.

    I told the bob half before I did it — didn’t want to come home to find my clothes and cats in the driveway. :-)



    I don’t think Edwards made a particularly strong VP candidate in 2004, and don’t think he would be a great choice for either candidate this go around.

    Kerry is bad enough as a surrogate supporting Obama, I don’t think either candidate needs further reminders of the last losing democratic ticket. Edwards is a nice enough guy, but the $400 haircuts, and the elitist populist/ empty suit image, doesn’t seem like a helpful fit for either candidate.




    i don’t know… Vincent practically calls me an airhead and now you make me the but of an April Fool’s joke…

    What’s a girl to do?

    Sorry.. i have more important things to worry about.. like Rats ;->

    And yes, i am reading.. and wondering if things are now once again civil enough for me to play too…

    haven’t decided.



    Obviously, I disagree with Walfredo – I happen to lean toward Edwards as Secretary of Commerce. Just imagine …… a girl can dream, can’t she?



    Charla- It’s okay to disagree! I don’t think that Edwards, specifically in regards to Obama, would be helpful.

    He is a nice guy, made a strong presedential run in 04, and handled himself with grace despite not taking off this time around. In fact, his decision to withdraw prior to super Tuesday, according to many polls, is a big reason Obama is in the position he is in.

    I’m in no way an Edwards basher, I just don’t think he brings much of anything to the table for either an Obama/Edwards, or Clinton/Edwards ticket.



    I was typing on my way out the door this morning and didn’t explain — I actually don’t want Edwards to be VP nominee — as a Presidential candidate, he could sell “his” ideas — his brand of populism would scare Obama (or Clinton) to death.

    I’m dead serious about seeing him as Secretary of Commerce — why can’t we have someone who’s on the other side for a change? There will be plenty of business/banking/finance types to see that nothing very radical happens — but imagine the oil or brokerage guys facing him instead of one of their own. The photo ops would be worth it.

    I think two things happened to Edwards that drove him to be himself: One was Elizabeth’s illness and later recurrence. The other was being sold out by Kerry, who told him, “We will fight for the recount,” and then practically ran to the microphones to concede. At that point, Edwards grew into his ideals.

    There’s a reason all most people knew and remembered was the haircut and the square footage of his house: the corporatists were more afraid of him than of anyone else on the dem side. Most of the time, he was the only candidate who could beat every one of the Repug choices. The only way he could be stopped is to ignore him.

    I don’t think we’ve seen the end of him — maybe wishful thinking, but I’m one of the oldest optimists you’ll ever meet!

    JT, I think he hasn’t endorsed either candidate because he doesn’t trust or like either of them enough to risk his reputation. Perhaps I’m projecting :-)



    I’m done commenting on Obama and Hillary but want to step up to cheer for Edwards as VP here.

    He would help both candidates a lot, if for no other reason than he had a not insignifcant number of supporters before he dropped out. (like me!)

    The haircut and house were just silly non-issue issues. Lots of the candidates pay to have hair and makeup people come to them (to save time while campaigning) and it costs more that way. He’s a handsome guy with great hair who happens to be wealthy; I fail to see how any of those qualities disqualify him from caring about the poor. RFK was wealthy and handsome and *he* cared about the poor.

    Totally agree with Charla–Edwards made corporate America quake in its boots. He’s the strongest foe they’ve had in years–a true populist, and if it weren’t for Obama’s rock star appeal, I think Edwards would be our leading candidate today.

    His not endorsing either candidate may be strategic, or it may be his way of encouraing party unity and showing his classiness. Either way, it’s good for the party right now, IMO.



    Elizabeth Edwards takes on McCain:


    Another possible reason for the Edwards non-endorsement…I’m happy to say I predicted this one — Elizabeth and John may not agree on the candidate to endorse/vote for:




    Seems like the appropriate place to post this…

    The Pope and Hillary Clinton are on the same stage in front of a huge crowd. Both the Senator and His Holiness, however, have seen it all before, so to make it a little more interesting, the senator says to the Pope, “Did you know that with just one little wave of my hand, I can make every Democrat in the crowd go wild?”

    He doubts it, so she shows him. Sure enough, the wave elicits rapture and cheering from every democrat in the crowd. Gradually, the cheering subsides.

    The Pope, not wanting to be out done by such a level of arrogance, considers what he could do. “That was impressive. But did you know that with just one little wave of MY hand I can make EVERY person in the crowd go crazy with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display like that of your subjects, but will go deep into their hearts, and

    they will forever speak of this day and rejoice.”

    The senator seriously doubts this, and says so. “One little wave of your hand and all people will rejoice forever? Show me.”

    So the Pope slapped her.




    Hey there JoB: Maureen is saying what you’ve been writing all along…

    “One of the most valuable lessons the gritty Hillary can teach the languid Obama — and the timid Democrats — is that the whole point of a presidential race is to win.

    It’s not to share power, or force the squabbling couple into an arranged marriage. The winner wins, even if it’s only by a fraction of a percentage point or one Supreme Court justice. Winning has no margin of error, as the Democrats should have learned by now. And the winner gets to decide his or her running mate.

    But the ultimate favor Hillary can do for the Illinois freshman is to fight him full-out until the finale and then gracefully release him so he can find happiness with another.

    Hillary’s work is done only when she is done, because the best way for Obama to prove he’s ready to stare down Ahmadinejad is by putting away someone even tougher.”

    Maureen Dowd is a regular columnist for The New York Times.



    WSMom that was a great article…thank you for posting it. Love it! I firmly agree with what she points out, that Obama would be half of what he is now if Hillary weren’t in the picture helping him mature…I hope more people realize this.



    WsMom and Andrea.. yes.. that would be nice.

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