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[Jerald]

There was Zesto’s across from WSHS where the McDonald’s is now.

And remember the Prairie Market (now PCC) where you used a grease pencil to mark the price on each item?

Also, about Pat & Ron’s — I, too, had to go in there for help when my car broke down. I was about 18, wearing short shorts and a halter top (hot summer day). Yikes.

[datamuse]

JoB, small correction: Charlemagne ruled France, not Britain, and about 400 years before the Magna Carta was signed.

That was in 1215. King John was king of England, and the reason the Magna Carta is important is that it made the king subject to the rule of law. (Though it wasn’t the first document to do so; it’s remembered in part because the barons of England forced King John to accept it.) It became the basis for constitutional law and influenced the development of common law, which are both fundamental to American government.

None of this has much to do with religion or the Church, which by this time was supporting John despite having excommunicated him six years earlier in a dispute over the selection of the Archbishop of Canterbury.

[soclwrkrinmotn]

Being as I was ungrounded, here are some more places:

There is Treehouse for Kids

http://www.treehouse4kids.org/howyoucanhelp

Treehouse was founded to help foster kids just be kids. Last year, more than 4,300 foster kids in our community used Treehouse services. And with services and state budgets being cut back, more help is needed. Right now, if you have stylish gently worn or new clothing to donate to the Wearhouse (a free clothing shop for foster and homeless youth) or toys for “Holiday Magic,” I know they would be welcome.

And as a board member of Seattle Education Access–an organization I wished existed when I was in the system–we also are finding services for youth trying to get to college, or even finish high school are getting tighter and tighter.

When I asked them if there were other things needed, their response was if we are talking about the organization itself: school supplies, computers, school snacks, good books (social justice and activism books ARE VERY WELCOME, as they also have an “activist school” teaching youth to self-advocate and advocate for the community and equality) and other similar items. For the kids…JoB’s list holds….

*blush* and no fan clubs or I WON’T wear a Santa hat….

[bebecat]

I remember when there was a Safeway store down between the Chelan Cafe and the Blue Eagle. I learned to drive a go-cart in the parking lot on Sundays. Also I remember that the Taco time on Avalon was the Gill’s Burgers. You could get a Gill’s 49er which was a Hamberger, fries and milkshake for 49 cents. There was a hotdog stand by West Seattle High School too! Does anyone remember the name?

[Anonymous]

HMC is FAR too cool a customer for those type of shananigans, IMO.

[pigeonmom]

Before Saffron Cow and Endolyne Joe’s there was a little grocery there. I can’t recall the name but I remember the old, sloping wooden floors.

That would have been around 1991.

[Anonymous]

“…thus, we discriminate against the poor, the mentally ill, anyone of color, those of differing religions, women and the physically disabled.” – JoB

I believe people discriminate against a much wider range of people than just that, JoB. That is only the fringe.

“there is definately something to be said for having life’s basic needs met” – JoB

Meeting the needs of our individual selves, is success in itself. Meaning, not needing to rely on others, or the Govt., to take care of us, is a measure of success.

Bayou – Your post was brilliant!

[JoB]

trensuela…

I stepped back from this topic today to think.

Reporting what looks like drug behavior to the police is always a good idea.. they will step up patrols in the area if they get enough complaints.

but Cait is right, if the behavior merely makes you uneasy and isn’t bothering you… it’s a harder call.

let’s add to that the fact that many mentally ill people look and act just like crackheads without causing any of the criminal activity that goes along with the need to fund a crack habit.

Are you sure enough about what you are seeing to report it to the police or sure enough to begin taking pictures from the safety of your home?

You are the only one who can judge the appropriate response since you are witnessing the events.

If you think there is a real problem developing.. you should notify the police for your own safety and that of your neighbors.

[JoB]

There is a huge difference between being a victim of and considering yourself a victim and adopting the victim mentality.

sometimes the thing that helps you overcome the victim mentality the most is telling your story… because if you can tell your story you have survived.

You can be the victim of many things, including circumstances… even circumstances which permanently limit your options… and still be a success.

it’s pretty hard for someone who considers themselves a success to have a victim mentality.. in fact.. it may be impossible.

But as with all internal success.. that doesn’t mean it will stop others from seeing you as a victim and assuming that you have a victim mentality if you don’t look and sound successful to them.

One thing i think this thread has really pointed out is that success has far more to do with how you feel about yourself and how you feel about how you handle the challenges in your life than it does with how you measure up to others.

[ellamommy]

I have a 19 month old girl. She was being taken care of by some friends, but unfortunately it did not work out. I am in desperate need to find a reliable, loving, nurturing environment that is reasonably priced. I am open to other SAHM with a child(ren) that are around the same age, and also any other childcare facilities. I am open to all suggestions.

Thank you!

[JoB]

HeavyMetalConservative..

i think you need to read about the Celts and the religion they practiced (druids) long before Christianity in Ireland..

a really entertaining way to do so is by reading any of the sister fidelma mysteries by Peter Treymane… who happens to be quite a historian as well as a writer.

and you might look at their government and body of law too. A lot of English law came from their law courts and English law is what eventually formed the basis for our constitution…

now i honestly can’t remember when Charlemagne ruled tonight.. or for sure if it was during his reign that the document i can’t remember the name of was signed (magna carta?).. but that is the real basis for individual rights in both English and American law… and if it was Charlemagne.. i think he was catholic.

that is somewhat relevant because the Catholics thought the individual man… unless he was royalty and therefore anointed by god… had about 0 rights as an individual.. it being their duty to toil here on earth to earn or purchase entrance into heaven where he might get rights.

the notion of equating individual rights and Christianity began to emerge with the Lutherans and didn’t really take hold much until it found root on American soil with the Protestants … quite some time after the Pilgrims landed… by a few generations.

the Pilgrims believed far more in individual duty and responsibility than individual rights.

holy days preceded the christian church… read a little early Roman history and you will find there were plenty of holy days… i think the Greeks had holy days as well.

As for the roman empire being ok with Jews.. if so, they would not have crucified Christ… because he was just another Jew to them… or any of the other Jewish martyrs crucified before him.

Christianity.. in any recognizable form.. didn’t really evolve for at best a couple of generations later. And Christianity as we know it didn’t evolve until after the Roman empire had fallen… or thereabouts…

i can head you towards a writer who is a historian of Roman Empire and a mystery writer for the entertaining way to learn about not so ancient Rome (Steven Saylor) but you won’t find many references to either Jews or Christians in his work. it turns out he didn’t find either to be relevant to his stories since both groups were considered just one of the many civilizations conquered and absorbed by the roman empire.. not even citizens for the most part unless they volunteered to fight in the army… and therefor not of much real consequence.

I am not saying that Christianity had no influence on the formation of our government… but i think you will find Jefferson who drafted much of the constitution was far more influenced by the French than by the church.

And it is certainly true that Jesus said render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars.. a maxim that was used by the church until fairly recent history to subjugate the populace to reigning monarchs.. and the other half was used to subjugate the populace to the church:(

Our religion as we know it and practice it was an affair negotiated over generations by countless ruling governments and church leaders… The words of the bible are continually reinterpreted my modern standards to justify any number of claims for Christianity.. unfortunately, the words that are reinterpreted have themselves already been reinterpreted in translation after translation and edit after edit. Our best earliest translation is Greek… and even that is open to huge differences in interpretation since it is impossible to resurrect a Greek scholar from the times to properly contextually interpret that translation.

it’s not a document to be taken too literally and yet that is what too many do.

It really is too bad that access isn’t given to scholars to the documents stored in the Vatican.. i believe those documents would not only shed a lot of light on how the bible was formed.. i suspect that they would also reveal teachings that we are not aware of. i don’t think the Catholics ever destroyed anything.. though it is hard to tell what they did during the inquisition.

Some of the cardinals and even the popes could have given Karl Rove a real run for his money when it came to rewriting history to support their own personal ideology.

As i said.. it’s a miracle my faith survived learning all the things done in the name of Christ… including the perversion of his teachings. I still believe in the bible as a body of work… but take most of those who tell me they have a fast track for interpreting it with a huge grain of salt.

All human beings are such contradictions.. it’s what’s so interesting about them:)

[HeavyMetalConservative]

Hey Zenguy, I really like your posts.

About 500,000 years of humanity….

I will attempt to show you why secular and limited government have roots in Christianity. I am not asking anyone to convert, etc.

Before the written word there is not a lot of evidence to actually point to. The closer we get to our time we see more evidence of polytheistic and to a lesser degree monotheistic writings, drawings etc. I believe Atheism has always been around.

Since you were raised a catholic but now aim towards a karmic spirituality, could not our ancestors have had some spiritual feelings back in time? I too believe in Karma and balance.

Now, I must say that either Atheism is right, Religion is right or neither is right, but the two cannot be correct together. We can however live together and should.

Christianity differs from most religions in a variety of ways. Historically, there was that radical Jew carpenter who proposed a very strange idea. He said “Render unto Caesar that which is Caeser’s, and to god that which is God’s. In an age of mostly polytheism this was quite a statement for the seperation of church and state. Even the Jewish tribe’s monotheism was about tribe and not necessarily the individual. Christianity evolved to include the individual. This train of thought is expressed thankfully in our constitution. What I mean is there is not a state religion and people can worship or not worship as they choose.

The Romans did not feel threatened by the Jewish faith and basically accepted it into their own pantheon. Christianity on the other hand claimed the one God for themselves and the whole world. For that they were persecuted for the first few hundred years by the Romans and at other times up through modern times.

Islam is a monotheistic religion too. It can be used by muslims to justify a theocracy. Sharia law does not fly in the West. Someday it may but not now. Christianity is different. As we are on earth we citizens who have duties to live among each other and do so within secular society. We worship in those houses of worship or privately. Government cannot infringe upon our faith or a nonfaith. A good example is Christianity or Islam in China. Unless they kill everyone, they cannot stop its growth.

This religious sanctuary of thought or conscious is what helps the idea of limited government. The ruler or governor has only so much power of the people and can only go so far. Through the birth of Christianity the church and governments finally figured out there were limits to their authority. Even the horrible Spanish inquisition did not cross over to judge and sentence the common thief, nor did the local law sentence the heretic.

We have Christianity to thank for allowing people the freedoms that we have today. Forming a person’s independence has helped to shape our country. That is not to say it was a smooth road.

Jesus also said “My kingdom is not of this world” Gods domain is not the earth but in the heavens (or maybe somewhere in the Andromeda galaxy??? – just kidding)

For a christian, we feel God rules over the whole universe BUT each country has its own laws and culture. My God’s domain is the church and in individual who embrace HIM (or Her, It). Outside of the church is the secular world. Christianity itself brought about the idea of secularism.

Is this so out of line with your view of personal space and personal choice? Since the Christian ethic IMO helped form the basis of our country should we not recognize this?

Now, for those of you who do not want to say Merry Christmas i want you to know that it is OK. But you must also know that Happy Holidays gets it roots from “Holy Day – meaning religious festival or day of recreation.

There are many elements within churches which do try power grabs. The 1st Amendment was needed due to some intolerance by the various religious groups. Lets applaud the founding fathers for their foresight.

So, Live Long and Prosper my friends.

[JoB]

thanks ellenator..

i couldn’t figure out how you got to the mailbox if you had no new messages…

i will catch up with the technology yet.. some day:)

LOL.. probably just about the time it moves on.

[GenHillOne]

JoB – Leo Gerard, Pres. of United Steelworkers, re: difference between (non-)scrutiny of $700B financial bailout (showers before work) and scrutiny of now(?) $36B auto bailout (showers after work) on Tuesday. It WAS good, I had to look up his name.

[JoB]

villagegreen…

i think you make a valid point.. that unless we acknowledge the differences in the way we perceive other people that have nothing to do with who they are.. but a lot to do with what we think they are… we can never move beyond those preconceived prejudices.

And those preconceived prejudices have a lot to do with success… because they directly affect the opportunities we give others.

This is why discirimination exists and why it has such a brutal effect on the lives of those who are discriminated against.

We discriminate against anyone who doesn’t meet our standard for ideal.. the white christian affluent male…

thus, we discriminate against the poor, the mentally ill, anyone of color, those of differing religions, women and the physically disabled.

Every economic statistic available points to the fact that those demographics are consistently less wealthy and less well paid than white christian affluent males.

As someone pointed out on Rachel Maddow a couple of days ago.. there is a huge difference in the way we perceive someone who showers before they go to work and someone who showers after.

those who shower before are perceived to be worth more than those who shower after… because they get their hands and bodies sweaty and dirty working. I wish i could remember who that was because i really liked that illustration.

While financial success is not the only standard of success… and thankfully not the only standard that defines our sense of self, financial success creates the trappings and opportunities that others use to recognize success.

Yes, i think your point is very relevant to this discussion.

though i agree completeley that financial success doesn’t define success, financial security makes everything else that defines success much easier.

It is easier to meet your goals if you have the financial security to allow you to work towards more than survival.. it is easier to raise children if you have the financial security to spend at least some time with then instead of having to work two or three jobs to ensure their survival… it is easier to take an opportunity if the only risk is failure…

there is definately something to be said for having life’s basic needs met.

[Bayou]

JoB, I don’t think that what I said is brave, I think it just reiterates that “success” is a personal perception. As Zenguy aptly points out, we are a visual species. We certainly can’t determine the sum of someone’s life experiences with a glance but I think our brains can very quickly sum up a host of other visual clues.

I’m not a judgemental person but I am a natural observer. I don’t think that the statement that I made is necessarily crass or wrong, I just think that we measure with the ingredients that we have at hand. When measuring ourselves, we have a lifetime worth of experiences to review but when looking at others we are only reviewing what meets the eye- the physical. We can’t even pretend to know the emotional/spiritual/intellectual well-being of someone else which I think many would equate with the (intangible) success of finding one’s place of belonging in the world.

In simpler terms, I think we all define our own happiness and our own success.

[Anonymous]

viallagegreen- Nice tie in to an old point of contention. Especially in a thread where the discussion is solely based on success (how a person lives their life, how they treat others, etc.).

“The important thing is to not let these snap judgements cloud our overall view of the person or affect our actions towards the person.”- villagegreen

In the midst of trying to drudge up negative discussions I’ve been involved in (seemingly), you have hit my point right on the head.

As an example: I’ve witnessed behavior of people who see an individual who appears more successful, more wealthy or more attractive than them self and have negative thoughts or ideas about that person – simply because of what they can see, not based on anything they personally know. Just the opposite holds true. I have witnessed behavior of rash judgments being made about an individual who does NOT appear successful, wealthy or attractive. I think the ability to live your life without judgments or pre-conceived notions is a gift. Unfortunately, I don’t feel a lot of people have that ability. Just my experience.

What you said, Zenguy, about how we, as humans, judge everything based on what it looks like, is dead on. My whole point is that, when it comes to other other people, I would wish prior judgments would not be made rashly. It seems that would promote a more harmonious world.

[JoB]

mellaw6565..

i found i can’t say those words in the pledge… so i don’t. i bow my head silently during them.

And i am a christian.

it’s the assumption built into the statement …one nation under god.. that we are talking about only one god… that this nation is a theocracy.

this is considered the promised land by many because of the religious freedom embedded in our constitution.

When those words were added to our pledge they had little to do with religion and more to do with patriotism and the battle against communists… who were considered godless people.

It was code for “I am not a communist”…

It has evolved to become something different.. but still a code for patriotism.. God and country!

I don’t recognize the god that those on the religious right keep quoting… and supposedly we share the same god.

Religion is a private matter in our constitution.. it should remain one in our communities… with freedom to practice as ingrained as the freedom from practice.

I just spent a couple of hours out in the community and i am not sure that any religious symbol gets top billing during the holidays… no matter how incensed some people are that religious symbols are displayed at all..

even santa has been challenged by a plethora of cartoon animals and snowmen and yes.. even the grinch.

if there is one graphic that most symbolizes christmas in our society these days.. it is santa’s hat… which says little about anything except that you are trying to embrace generosity during the holidays…

i can live with that.

[villagegreen]

Everyone makes judgements when they look at other people. There’s no way around it. It’s instinctual and as Zenguy said based “largely on past experiences.”

The important thing is to not let these snap judgements cloud our overall view of the person or affect our actions towards the person. Unless you acknowledge that you make judgements when you first look at a person I don’t think you can really confront the issues that you yourself may need to deal with. This can lead to irrational beliefs such as claiming that racism no longer exists (for example).

[JoB]

WesCAddle….

i agree that an anti-religion statement doesn’t make much of a holiday decoration… but i am not sure what the atheist holiday symbol would be. LOL… I don’t think a true atheist even believes in Santa Claus.

i suppose that is the point..

datamuse…

they could have as easily talked about celebrating family during the season in spite of the fact that there is no god…

the reception to their message would still have been as negative by those on the righteous religion bandwagon.. but more palatable to those of more moderate inclination.

…

As for the in God we Trust on our money… God is actually a pretty generic term. it means many different things to many different people.

and these days it looks like we would do better to trust in whatever god we trust than trust in our government when it comes to our pocketbooks:)

[villagegreen]

NR – I didn’t saying not making judgements was naive, I said making a judgement (whether it be positive or negative) without knowing the person could be considered naive.

[mellaw6565]

Most people don’t realize that the words “under God” in the Pledge were added by moral conservatives in the 1950’s – our Grandparents and perhaps parents said it differently when they were children but yet sometimes they are the first to complain when we want to take it out and restore the original Pledge.

Makes it hard for me to pledge secularly to my country when I have to include God in it.

[Anonymous]

“if you really feel that “In God We Trust” on a nickle is equivalent to “cramming religion down your throat” you need to get out and realize there are bigger fish to fry”

There most certainly may be bigger problems to address, but I also don’t think dismissing essentially what amounts to a state sanctioned religious motto, to represent a secular government, is appropriate.

It is establishing a tone for our entire financial infrastructure, whether it be personal or business transactions. Something I doubt the christian god would even endorse. Wasn’t it jesus after all, who was most upset with the money changers?

Our currency influences every aspect of our lives. Whether it be giving tithes to our church or purchasing goods and services. That motto implies we do all things in gods honor. Perhaps that is true and fitting for your life, but does not reflect mine or a system that I feel should be neutral.

I imagine most christians would not be thrilled to live under the umbrella of in wicca we believe. Or brahmaa, allah, or satan for that matter. In that light can you not see how this could be offensive? You may not give it a second thought, or care, but it does have an influence.

[Anonymous]

I am NOT religious – at all. That being said, I don’t understand why the plaque has to SAY something. The nativity scene doesn’t say anything (unless, I guess, if you are Christian, perhaps it speaks to you).

The fact that it seems to degrade all religious beliefs makes it a poor choice as a display, JMO. I think atheists would have a far stronger leg to stand on had it simply been a symbol.

I think a point can be made without attacking an opposing point.

[Anonymous]

charla – I completely agree. I think to live life without making judgments about others, for what ever reason, without personally KNOWING them, is a pretty good life to live. I guess you could call that naive, but I like to think of it as being unbiased and fair.

Like charla pointed out, it works both ways. It would be considered immoral to judge an individual like charla describes as NOT hardworking, smart, or motivated. Just the same could be said to judge the complete opposite individual.