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[WSB]

FYI all – I have just deleted that account after another account popped up approximately 15 minutes ago with a clearly made-up post and the same IP address. No e-mail warning because I doubt any of the e-mail addresses involved are legitimate. I will watch the registrations as closely as I can but PLEASE, if you think this person has popped up again, e-mail me because I have to generate content for the main part of this site and CANNOT hang out on the forums all day and night. Thanks.

[WSMom]

um, I need to apologize to NewRes as well…sorry I lumped you and Lattemom together.

[Anonymous]

Wow!! I had heard about this website, but since I am too busy during the day to check it out and too tired at night I never got a chance and now I see what everyone is talking about. There are too many similiarities to count and I would very much like to know who is doing this. Yes, we are a West Seattle family and we have 1 child a daughter who briefly attended Arbor Heights, we waited until this past Summer to transfer her to Roxhill, but it wasn’t because that school was bad or anything it just wasn’t the right fit for our daughter and our family. Can’t a family transfer a child out of a school without it becoming news to the community. We like to think we made some friends at Arbor Heights.

A friend alerted me to this website and said there seems to be some information about your daughter online with alot of misconceptions and false information, someone who desperately needs medical/mental help is online and using your daughter’s transfer as means of what?? I am so confused.

I am speechless to say the least and especially when I read the posting from someone omigosh or something like that. I can’t believe that anyone we knew at Arbor Heights, even people we didn’t know well would say the things you said about our daugters transfer. I think I have figured out who you are omigosh and you really hate us that muh to post horrible lies about me?

Yes I did send afew emails to the Arbor Heights website master and she was kind enough to post them for me, if she had any objections she had the right to not post them, but she did. The only postings I made were about the lack of somewhere the kids could go to get out of the rainy/snowy weather, I could not manage the talking to teachers and attending the PTSA meetings to ask for permission for my idea, I really needed some support from other Arbor Heights parents and I did not receive any. I felt very over-whelmed because I was running a business at home, be at school for all the functions and trying get this onboard, sorry I failed everyone, but I am only 1 person. There wa a very select groups of Mothers at Arbor Heights we for the most part had other children at the school as well as a child in my daughters grade, I tried to fit in I attended every school function, I volunteered in the class, I bought every book, every t-shirt, I walked our daughter around to sell items for school fundraising and still I could not connect to anyone but 1 parent I knew before we attended that school. I should not be ridiculed for transferring our daughter out of Arbor Heights, I should not be ridiculed for not working harder to get the program of a place for rainy days on board.

Yes, we have an amazing 7 year old daughter who is just thriving thank you very much at Roxhill as a 2nd grader, I transfeered her to that school because of the educational experience at Roxhill believe it or not, she wouldn’t have advanced at Arbor Heights and I clicked right away with the teachers and the Principal Cathy Thompson at Roxhill.

I still do check the Arbor Heights website now and then so our daughter can read some of the jokes and saying her former friends write online. I also see you are working on the rainy day program, good I am glad for the kids it is about time.

I will enroll our daughter to Explorers West and I will not allow you or anyone to stop us, our daughter deserves a good solid education and if I see she can get that at Explorers West so be it.

We have hopes that in afew years our daughter and your sons or daughters will be in middle school and they can be friends, that is if you and the other parents at Arbor Heights can move forward and forget the past. We are a great little family.

I will be checking periodically this website now that I am aware that this type of activity goes on, and I will respond when I feel the need to stand up for our family.

I also hope that the OMIGOSh or whatever your name is that is can forgive us for not telling you the reason why we left Arbor Heights and that the next time you see us in the neighborhood you will look straight at us and smile as we will do the same. Please learn to be forgiving and to re-read the postings I sent on Arbor Heights website last year they are not nasty or evil as you say.

I want to add I can’t believe we were the only family to leave Arbor Heights.

Take care!

[san]

NewRes-

Let me first say that I recognize our differences for sure. I know that we haven’t been real buddies, and perhaps that may not change. However, if there is any truth to the growing mystery behind “you know who”, I feel I should follow Jt’s lead and apologize. I had my strong reasons to believe differently before, but I would hate to lump you with this loser if you are truly not linked. Whatever the deal is, hope this bs is over soon and Im sorry to give you crap if it wasn’t justified.

[vincent]

As someone who has hosted a mailing list for over 10 years I can say the most direct way to weed out people like lattemom is with moderation control (WSB) And lots of meet ups. If people know each other and have a social bond thats deeper than an email address and hitting submit they are less likely to take the bait, and more cohesive as a group.

Posting meet ups from the forums to the front page helps invite people who lurk, but don’t post to the forums themselves ( as some employers forbid it)

And Stan, get help dude, if your so socially awkward that playing a jr high school joke on a neighborhood blog is your idea of fun, you need to get out more. Or meet some people on LIVE, WoW or your local Furry vs Klingon bowling tourney.

Borrowing someones email and bad online persona is hardly id theft, but thanks for the weird agoraphobic PSA.

[Sue]

I’ll admit that I enjoy watching the complete meltdown of society on internet forums, email lists, etc., in general (not just here). I don’t contribute to it (at least not intentionally), but there’s something quite amusing to me about watching it from the sidelines. I guess that’s why I like pathetically bad reality TV too. There’s this website called Survivor Sucks (started out with the Survivor TV show but now covers reality TV in general and general topics). The tone of that site is to totally bash everyone and everything in as non-PC a manner as possible. I consider this enjoyable reading. What this all says about me, you can decide. :)

So, am I offended by the name calling and immaturity on the forums? Not particularly. I wouldn’t be upset if it left, and I generally won’t instigate it, but if it’s there, well, whatever.

[JenV]

PSYCHO ALERT!!! Yeesh. Lonely Stan, is there no AuburnBlog for you to haunt?

and JoB- I LOVE Shiba Inus! They are the funniest little dogs. My BF’s sister has one- the most stubborn- yet cuddly- big-dog-in-little-package around. How old are yours?

[Anonymous]

NewRes – I apologize if I have been one of those to lump you 2 together. Passion for your convictions should not be confused for what is going on here.

And on a positive note to everyone – at least we’ve found a topic to bond over and make our community even cooler than it already is. I’d get all mushy about it but that would be so unlike me.

In all seriousness though, I don’t want to live in fear or be paranoid, but how do we predict when an unstable person is going to go off the deep end? I can ignore the words, as exasperating as they’ve become, but I’ve also experienced real danger in my life and don’t care to have more of that.

[ALS]

JoB, thanks for posting that. All too often people don’t take the time to understand how dogs communicate. We assume that because they live in harmony with us that they communicate by our rules, and that’s often where we get into trouble by doing things like hugging dogs, patting them on the head, or pursing our lips in a kissy face to them (all of which are generally not liked by dogs or even seen as threatening).

I would recommend reading “The Other End of the Leash” by Patricia McConnell – she discusses a lot about how dogs communicate and what us humans often do wrong.

[Anonymous]

I am truly Stan the lonely guy from Auburn, WA. I do have way too much time on my hands. I am very lonely. I do not have any family in the area. I am so truly sorry for everything I did. I will promise to go away. I do need to clarify one thing, I have only been pretending to be this LatteMom, I am not the same as this Cinnamon and I have never posted on Seattle Times as someone on here reported. I only gathered information online to make up another identify. Again, I am truly sorry! I will go away. But now you all see just how very easy it is to assume another identity and get away with it at least for some time. Pleae, everyone be careful. I have seen afew of you post online your email addresses, please do not do that unless you would like someone to assume your identity.

I got the name LatteMom from all the Starbuck Coffee Houses in town, a play on words.

[JoB]

lattemom..

i think we still don’t know who and what you are…

and if you are that single guy with too much time on your hands… it’s too bad..

i enjoyed your conversation when you approached reality. and sometimes your posts generated interesting conversation. The real you might be an interesting addition to conversation.

As for what you think you proved… i don’t think so. I don’t think there is anyone on this forum naive enough to believe that it isn’t possible that many of the people posting on this site are not all they appear to be. The posts are only as honest as any of us make them.

Yet, regardless of what voice you choose to use here.. or anywhere for that matter… it is only a voice.. fed by a real person.. and that person can’t help coming through sometimes.

We would all be glad to see the lattemom persona go away.

It is so much sadder if this persona is built on a real person whose identity you lifted.

Or.. if you really are lattemom and the lonely young man is the persona. or….

it doesn’t really matter a lot.

i hope whoever you are that you find a way to participate in this forum or another in a way that is productive. messing with people just makes them angry.. and it never lasts long.

And as for the rest of us.. i think we can all survive one more impostor in our lives… real life is full of them you know.

It’s just like the pit bull thread.. if you walk the streets in fear of the marauding pitbull, you won’t get out much… same here.

[Kayleigh]

You got it, Jan. And I reckon the t-shirt is stained with pizza sauce. Another reason I don’t post under my real name (which is kind of unusual and would be identifiable)

PS I am in need of a massage so I might soon have the privilege of meeting you in person. :)

[Anonymous]

JoB, You got it. I am imagery! You are smart. I am also not 50 I am 35.

[WSMom]

Your post makes me so sad for lattemom/cinnamon. I hope that somehow she will get the help she needs. I will pray for her and her family.

[Anonymous]

LatteMom’s identity is that of a man, I have been very dishonest with you all and have been trying to prove several points, without any success.

I am a single man without any family in the area and I have way too much time on my hands. I will leave now and go away as you all want.

I read many of the postings on Seattle Times and thought I’d find a local website to entertain myself but it ot out of hand.

It is far to easy to obtain information inline, personal information and that is what I have done. Now you all can see how dangerous this really is.

[Anonymous]

JT

Please don’t give up on the get togethers. You WILL recognize this person (it may take a few minutes) because what you see here is what you get in person. I have read this blog for quite a while and have refrained from commenting about her but this is getting a little out of hand.

The sad/funny part is that she is really trolling herself, so to speak. She is very angry and much like an injured animal any attempt to help or be friendly can be interpreted as a threat.

An interesting exchange of opposing ideas is as impossible for her as it is for chickens to knit!

[JoB]

LOL…those cell phones are dangerous.

hubby uses his to access the internet and fact check me. AARGH!!! and he is no sweet young thing either:)

[Ken]

RE the to address not matching.

The specifics of how an email is routed to you are always in the header. On some email readers it is either difficult or nearly impossible to easily read the original text with the header info.

On some you can look for a button or menu choice for “show all headers” or “show original” which will open up the message and convert the html to text (with codes) and usually show the header information.

Most modern email clients will strip out the original header info when forwarding a suspect email to some one else for analysis, but you could try sending me one of them to check.

Here are some links to explanations that may help you understand what you are seeing if you can get a look at the headers. Some may also have outdated info on other topics related to their local mail system or historical anti spam tactics that are now obsolete, so use them for education in a general way.

http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/Email-Spoofing.html

http://www.colorado.edu/CNS/email/headers.html

http://copland.udel.edu/~sbunting/invtips.htm

http://www.rickconner.net/spamweb/notmyaddress.html

http://www.rickconner.net/spamweb/index.html

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The comcast issue can probably be easily traced but most of the comcast people I have ever talked to have no idea how any mailserver works ,let alone theirs. Most will deny that their outgoing servers use “Pop before SMTP” as an anti spam strategy even though telneting to their mail servers and testing it will show it unequivocally.

I never used a comcast email address when I had their service, (even though they gave me one or more) since I have my own mail servers, but if I remember correctly that had a way to assign multiple usernames to one actual email address.

Also if you are both using the same email address with a client set to use POP mail (which downloads the mail to your computer) with out the setting on one of them to “leave mail on server” then which ever machine checks the mail first in each cycle, will download all the incoming mail up to that point. This is useful for road warriors who wish to read their incoming mail while on the road and yet preserve it so it can be downloaded to their home or office computer for archiving. It is also possible to have one computer checking mail for two addresses while another only checks one address.

It is also possible to create this situation on an IMAP server-client but it takes several wrong settings on both sides If I remember correctly.

I am still working on my server rebuild /redesign project at the moment but I will check back in here later.

[JanS]

Kayleigh…I like that image. Now picture said greasy-haired 30-something man in black t-shirt with a pot-belly and a cigaret hanging out of his mouth – oh, and a 3 day stubble…

[Anonymous]

JoB I agree with you. My point (not very well made) is that most people do not know understand the ‘pack mentality’ and because of that we end up with poorly trained dogs.

I wish that elementary schools would include dog safety training in their curriculums. I think it is just as crucial as fire safety. This would give children the much needed dog info and probably reduce a lot of the problems between dogs and kids.

Sadly, I think most of these incidents are unintentional and result from a lack of understanding by all the people involved and the poor dogs suffer. People like JoB sharing their knowledge with the rest of the world sure does help.

In reference to Lattemom…I have interacted with her in the past and can only say what you see in this blog is what you get. Any innocent comment can be seen as a threat. Sad really.

[Kayleigh]

‘course, JT, that bit about hunting could be BS too, designed to get a rise out of the animal lovers here. But I hear you.

Somebody once described trolls as greasy-haired 30-something men in black t-shirts living in their parents’ basements. Whether or not that is true in this case or any other, the image still makes me smile.

[Erik]

I saw an interesting piece on the MSM last night about memory. They asked simple questions (How old is your mom? etc.) to two groups of people…over 60 and under 30. The over 60 group did much better. They asked one of the youngsters where their memory went and they pointed to their cellphone.

[JoB]

ken.. this is exactly why i question the “rhetoric”… nobody seems to know what it is actually built on.. and often it isn’t what it appears to be.

but then the old fart status we have earned carries with it a lot of experience with bull, doesn’t it:) even bull backed by statistics…

as for all that hot shot expertise… i have come to realize that expertise is often shallow. Yes, they have learned in many cases to manipulate the top layer of technology very well… but ask them what lays beneath it… the foundation.. and they are lost.

that’s what us old farts are for.. foundations:) we understand them because we helped lay them.

i like being an old fart.

[Anonymous]

I think she either doesn’t care that’s she’s gone too far and is enjoying being the center of attention or…is genuinely disturbed and capable of going a little postal. IMO respect has become irrelevant and I’ve lost all desire to participate in any blog get togethers. I’m a little freaked to know I could innocently be giving information to a psycho who is now bringing up their love of hunting.

[Kayleigh]

It’s funny that trolls become so self-impressed when they create a reaction, not realizing how pathetic their lives are if that gives them a rush of pleasure. I’m embarrassed for them, really, because they don’t realize that the joke is on them. This particular one sounds a bit unhinged.