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JoBParticipant
ok.. i followed Charlabob’s link to the rolling stone articles.. and i will have their endorsement rattling around my head for a while… while i sort the very good and impassioned writer from reality…
but there are a couple of things there that still bother me… in spite of their skill. one is the obvious… it’s all about his campaign.. but once he is elected.. what have we elected?
the endorsement comes close to that.. but there is something there that makes me uncomfortable as well… on global warming she says he is not on board but she is sure his intelligence will lead him there…
this rings too much of the political endorsements in many major newspapers for Bush.. he hasn’t come through with any of his campaign promises but we liked them so we want to give him another chance to do what he said he would…
i am not equating Bush and Obama.. but i am saying that resting your endorsement on hope may not be in your best interests.
March 11, 2008 at 7:25 pm #617286In reply to: How long have you called West Seattle Home?
BeasleyMemberI’ve been in Seattle my whole life, West Seattle for about 10 years now. I never want to leave; however, my husband’s parents are getting “up there” and he would like us to move so we can be closer to them. In Hackensack. Hackensack, people!!
WSMomParticipanthttp://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/videos.jhtml?videoId=163288
Kayleigh: I too am a Obama supporter. I believe he is the best person to inspire and lead our nation out of the mess the Republican has party has driven our country into. There were times, especially after reading JoB’s musings, that I felt a tinge of regret that Hillary hadn’t done a better job grabbing my imagination, as I have tremendous respect for her intelligence and tenacity. As a Obama supporter, I have felt the need in talking with friends to defend Clinton (using JoB’s talking points), because if she somehow does end up with the Democratic nomination it is imperative that our nation come together to put a Democrat into office. For me it is as simple as that. We cannot have another four years of business as usual. I believe our children’s future depends on this.
On a different note, I’m curious what you make of the Newsweek article which says that Hillary’s best case delagate count scenario will in the end put her behind Obama. I’m trying to understand why she is going negative to continue her campaign given the math. This seems counter-intelligent. Any thoughts?
March 11, 2008 at 7:00 pm #618287AnonymousInactiveJenV – Thank you for the link! See you all Sunday!
JoBParticipantSue asked: “is there anything we can truly do as WA democrats that can influence the decision at this point as to who gets nominated?”
this is a good question and i don’t have an answer.
Ken, do you?
JohnM… what makes Hillary more qualified? i think i went there and did that in the go hillary thread and a couple more. ..
look under the political discussions at the top…
As for what makes her more qualified as commander in chief.. i can supply one little detail… something i listened to on Democracy Now…
There was a group of retired military commanders who were briefing all of the candidates (who chose to be briefed) on what they thought the military should do about the current middle east situation. all of the democratic candidates at the time attended.. but only two stayed and asked more questions.. Biden and Clinton.
She really does want to know all of the details..
if i do the rest of why Hillary again, kayleigh will mutiny:) and possibly with cause:)
rs261Member“Going by years spent as an elective official, Obama’s 11 years exceeds Clinton’s seven, which in turn exceeds Edwards’ six. But it’s a silly calculus.”
Shes the one touting experience not him. He’s the one touting unity of the parties and the country
And we still dont know why she is more qualified.
March 11, 2008 at 6:43 pm #617285In reply to: How long have you called West Seattle Home?
flowerpetalMemberWhen I moved to Seattle in 1987 it was to go to graduate school at UW. At that time I met Seattle natives who had never been to West Seattle! Shocking! But it made it all the more appealing to me. My honey and I rented our first place together in WS in 1990. In 1996 we were ready to buy our first house and found that even back then we couldn’t afford WS which made us very sad. So we bought a house in Tukwila for a song and sold it four years later for a tidy profit. And voila! we found we could then afford West Seattle. We’ve been back for seven years and are very connected to our community.
JoBParticipantvillagegreen…
the article you linked in SLATE actually is an example of exactly what i was trying to point out.
I read the entire article.. and at no point did it actually defend Obama’s experience… it simply was a rant that could have been titled.. what right does she have to claim experience…
and right there.. in the article you linked to was this classy little line, “her sharing Bill Clinton’s bed most nights while he was Arkansas governor and president of the United States.”
Blatant sexism… yet that’s ok with you?
I get the idea anything is ok with Obama supporters as long as it puts Hillary in her place while nothing is ok if it questions Obama.
Thin skins don’t’ get elected. righteous indignation will only take you so far…
and.. the real kicker… disrespect has a trickle down effect.
You might not find it so wonderful to be dismissed as someone’s bedmate just because the man you married happened to share your life’s work…
go to MSNBC and look a their political cartoons and ask yourself what most of them really have to do with Hillary’s candidacy… and those are the relatively clean ones…
March 11, 2008 at 6:39 pm #618334In reply to: child care options
KelleyOMemberThanks! I been on there, it’s been free so far to search within a certain perimeter.
March 11, 2008 at 6:34 pm #618333In reply to: child care options
flowerpetalMemberI think it has been suggested here before. The best resource for child care listings is Child Care Resources. On the web find them at childcare.org. There phone number is there too. It’s worth the money spent!
SueParticipantWhat I don’t understand is why any energy is even being put into whether Clinton or Obama are better than the other. At this point, I don’t have any say in the matter – the caucus is over, the primary was pointless (for democrats) here, so the next time I’m asked to vote, the decision will have already been made for me on which democratic candidate I can choose to vote for. I ask this in all seriousness: is there anything we can truly do as WA democrats that can influence the decision at this point as to who gets nominated?
March 11, 2008 at 6:25 pm #586545Topic: child care options
in forum Open DiscussionKelleyOMemberWe can’t get in to a traditional day care as the lists are too long. We’ll be looking for infant care starting in September 2008. Please let me know if anyone out there has suggestions. We are interested in creating a flexible schedule with the care provider.
JohnMMemberWhat exactly makes Hillary more qualified?
JoBParticipantKayleigh.. what do you think the democratic party is that Hillary is ruining?
It is not the Obama party…
It is not the party of “i want it to be different”.
This is a political party.. in service of political power.. that gains that power only if it appeases the people who support it…
This is a political party… involved in a political process… not a democratic institution… by the people for the people. You are confusing the party with the government…
the party has no checks and balances to protect the people… it just has politics.. the business of trading favor for favor…. and only one real goal.. to perpetuate itself.
Hillary Clinton has worked tirelessly for the democratic party.. to say she should stand aside (for the good of the party) because you favor another candidate is pretty self serving… and incredibly naive.
but ther eis one thing you can be sure of.. the Hilalry Clinton who has spent her entire adult life working for the party won’t quit if she loses the primary…. you would and could expect her to work tirelessly to get your candidate elected…
that is what “for the good of the party” means.
March 11, 2008 at 6:22 pm #618286March 11, 2008 at 6:22 pm #618285andreaParticipantI posted this on the main page, but thought I would add it here as well in case it gets lost among the posts: I went through my closet last night and I have approx 8-10 purses/handbags that I will contribute on Sunday…let me tell you I had no idea I had that many hiding back in there, but I am so glad I did so now I can add them to the auction (they are all relatively unused (2 have never been used) and therefore spiffy clean and ready to wear :0). see you all on Sunday!
villagegreenMemberI’m so freaking sick of people questioning Obama’s experience, while at the same time saying that Hillary has been vetted. People seem to accept it as a given that she’s ‘experienced’. But experienced in what? She had her 3am moment and chose to authorize the war. Way to go Hillary. Your so called experienced really paid off there.
Check out this article about her (and Obama’s) real experience: http://www.slate.com/id/2182073/
March 11, 2008 at 6:17 pm #618284AnonymousInactiveJoB – Can you guys post the specifics of the event here? Or maybe there is a link for me to follow? I am curious about the start time and what is involved/required if I have a bag to donate to the auction. Thank you!
rs261MemberHeres some fodder for the no McCain
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/mccain.airbus.ap/index.html
Its regarding the airbus/boeing deal going on right now. Of course also being known as Senator Hothead doesnt help.
I personally dont like hillary because she has the same political style as her husband…rule by polls and flavor of the moment. Anybody remember he stance on “violent video games”? What about her hedge fund tax, yet she got her daughter a 500k a year job at one right out of school. Of course my favorite is requiring everyone to have medical insurance…what cant pay for it? thats ok we’ll just take it out of your paycheck.
Oh, and for the record, I’ll be happy with either hillary or Obama as president. (and maybe even mccain, we’ll see on that one)
March 11, 2008 at 6:16 pm #616045In reply to: Potential dog park locations ?
WSBKeymasterJust saw this thread but FYI, David Della is no longer on the City Council. Tom Rasmussen, who lives in West Seattle, now chairs the Parks Committee.
March 11, 2008 at 6:14 pm #618326In reply to: Walkthrough at Westcrest Park today at 2 PM
WSBKeymasternever mind, I found it.
March 11, 2008 at 6:12 pm #617230In reply to: La Rustica is good, but frustrating
FranciParticipantI like La Rustica, but I also LOVE Bistro Baffi of Burien (formerly The Beach House Cafe at Alki). Great food! Great Service! Wonderful tiramisu!! Yumm..
They are on 152nd west of Ambuam. There is another thread that has their exact loction.
The setting inside is much nicer than their Alki days, during the week you can drop in for a table. I’ve heard that on weekends you need a reservation.
JoBParticipantAndrea…
“Those of you out there who say that if Obama is not the man up for election you’ll go green and vote for Nader, or go altogether nuts and vote for McCain, are why the Democartic party is in the mess its been for the last 8 years.”
In all fairness we can’t really blame people who have for the most part just discovered politics for the first time (and are incredibly passionate) for the mess the party has been in..
we have to blame our party for not adequately educating voters… for buying into the hype and letting the real issues slide while we were so busy defending ourselves that we allowed someone else put together our talking points for us.
We have to blame ourselves for not becoming more passionately involved in the last two elections. i know i didn’t choose to work this hard last time when the media turned a good thoughtful thinking war hero into a figure of fun… It was as much my failure as anyone else’s… his back porch talks were incredible.. and anyone who doesn’t think so is either republican or never actually listened to one.
I am honored to represent the other Hillary supports. I know there are lots of other Hillary supporters out there. look what happens when the decision about who to support in the primaries is moved from caucus to the privacy of the ballot box.
look what happened here. It is a close race.. regardless of the hype…
Just because we don’t show up in droves at rallies doesn’t mean that those voters who support Hillary don’t exist…
But your point about the divisiveness that is happening in the party right now is one i have been struggling to make.
If you are a democrat… you believe in democratic ideas and would support them no matter who the candidate is.
If you’re not.. if you only care about your candidate… then get the heck out of the party (for the good of the party) and let those of us who will still be here regardless of the candidate get on with getting the job of working for democratic ideals.
Whew. that came out a lot stronger than i meant it to.. and it isn’t directed at you personally kayleigh…
but it’s time to focus on what really matters and i don’t care whether your candidate is Hillary or Obama.. they are not what matters.
Repairing the damage done to our country by 8 years of the Bush Whitehouse is what matters…
finding the right person to win the election and then accomplish the heavy work ahead is what matters.
Kayleigh, if Obama wins the election, do you really want Hillary supporters to leave the field and let him flounder.. or do you want us to roll up our sleeves and get him elected?
Because if you want that for your candidate, you need to give equal respect to Hillary.
It’s not our job to get your candidate elected for you.
getting a democrat elected is the job of every democrat this fall… regardless of who wins the nomination.
AnonymousInactiveJoB – Obama is not qualified. People will keep saying that to convince themselves because they know that he isn’t qualified. He’s different and represents a radical change, that’s what is appealing. Qualified, though? No.
I read someone’s post that said it was okay that Obama has no experience because he just needs to surround himself with experience. Are you kidding me?!!
Thanks, but I would like my President to know what the H*** he’s doing!
March 11, 2008 at 6:05 pm #618325In reply to: Walkthrough at Westcrest Park today at 2 PM
WSBKeymasterwhat walkthrough is this and is it an official Parks event?
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