Also new in The Junction: Added all-way stop

1994 September 24, 2025 (9:27 pm)

No Turn On Red signs have been posted at the intersections of 35th & Barton, and 35th & Roxbury. All 4 directions have the signs posted but many drivers have not noticed this BIG change. SDOT could have done a better job by affixing some bright orange diamonds on each side of the signs to better draw driver’s attention to the change. The sign northbound at 35th & Barton actually looks like Turn On Red because the word No is obscured by giant wires….again some orange things to alert drivers to this big change would be helpful.

WSB September 24, 2025 (9:31 pm)

Someone asked me if those were new and though that’s my area of town and I go through both relatively frequently, I couldn’t tell. I’ll add that to my inquiry with SDOT.
- Nan September 24, 2025 (9:58 pm)
  
  I drove through 35th and Barton when workers were adding the no turn on red signs. This was maybe two weeks ago. So, yes, that one at least is new.
  - Sarah September 25, 2025 (7:37 am)
    
    At least since 9/1, per my text to my spouse (voice to text via my car’s Bluetooth, FWIW!). Pretty sure the Roxbury ones were installed earlier, but I don’t recall when.
K September 24, 2025 (9:45 pm)

Oh I’m so glad they added these! Hopefully more intersections will follow.
- K September 25, 2025 (6:48 am)
  
  I wish the whole city would adopt no-turn-on-red rules to reduce confusion from those who just do it out of habit, or assumption.
  - Fairmount September 25, 2025 (9:19 am)
    
    Not sure why suddenly we are being babied into thinking turning right on red isn’t safe. Turning on red has been around forever and now every single light in Seattle is getting it. Waste of tax payer money on signs and no one is going to enforce them. If you can turn safely you should turn. Let the driver figure it out. Isn’t there better things to be doing? So silly.
    - walkerws September 25, 2025 (11:32 am)
      
      Because turning on red statistically *isn’t* safe and creates one of the most hazardous conditions for pedestrians.
    - Adam September 25, 2025 (11:54 am)
      
      Then why is it working everywhere else since stop signs and red lights were invented? It’s no worse than a red light arrow not being a green circle or flashing yellow arrow. You want no turn on red everywhere in America? That’s insane
    - CW September 27, 2025 (4:57 pm)
      
      YES! No turn on red. What is insane is to make a turn on red in urban high-traffic areas. And it’s just selfish.
    - S September 25, 2025 (11:47 am)
      
      I think you’re right most of the time… at most intersections turning right on red can be safe, but at virtually no intersection is it necessary. I support having no turn on red be the standard in city limits because I think we should be prioritizing safety over traffic flow, and letting the driver figure it out has a poor track record as a hazard mitigating device. This will become more and more the case as the city grows and driving distractions multiply.
      
      Even without enforcement having the standard be no turns on red trains people not to do it, and if an intersection needs it, it can be signaled in such a way to allow it, and crossing signals can likewise be adjusted.
      
      Traffic rules change with the growing city just as everything else does. It’s not about babying or telling people they’ve been driving wrong all these years. It’s about assessing what makes roads the safest for all users and adjusting the rules to account for that.
    - Jim P. September 25, 2025 (11:48 am)
      
      “we are being babied into thinking turning right on red isn’t safe”You don;t spend a lot of time as a pedestrian I take it? You people in cars only look for things that are a threat to you and most of you will be cursed if you will look to the right to see if there’s pedestrians in the crosswalk before you floor it.I’ve come closer to death from from apparently blind people making right turns without looking (or even stopping) than from any other cause.
    - K September 25, 2025 (6:33 pm)
      
      Honestly, as a frequent pedestrian i’m aware of the hazards and am very diligent to look around at intersections while driving and i have STILL come close to hitting pedestrians and bicyclists. All of our infrastructure is based around car safety. Driving school teaches you how to look for cars in your blind spots, but not pedestrians or bikes. And newer cars have bigger blind spots, but the way they compensate (the side view mirror warning lights) are inadequate for helping detect pedestrians. I avoid right on red whenever possible, but as you can imagine, that makes me super popular with all the cars behind me. Would be great if it were just the standard.
    - Mellow Kitty September 25, 2025 (3:52 pm)
      
      As a pedestrian, I’ve nearly been hit by cars sneaking into the bike lanes to make right turns on several occasions. Having the walk signal doesn’t seem to matter to drivers. I’m all for no right turn on red. The bike lane, nor the few inches of space between the regular lane and the curb, are not turn lanes.
Azimuth September 24, 2025 (10:15 pm)

Unrelated but it made me think about at a different location, SDOT put no turn on red signs all along 1st Ave S from the train tracks overpass to E Marginal. I’m all for safety improvements but this decision is really weird. Those signs are routinely ignored and I understand why. I really wonder what’s going on at SDOT sometimes.
- What’s With All The No Right On Red September 25, 2025 (5:36 am)
  
  Agree! I also wonder what is going on at SDOT sometimes. They are slapping up No Turn On Red signs throughout the city at break neck speed this month. At many intersections it truly makes no sense. Did I miss some citywide announcement about this? What is the rationale?
  - walkerws September 25, 2025 (1:32 pm)
    
    No Turn On Red makes sense at every intersection. The rationale is that right turns on red disproportionately endanger pedestrians – statistics clearly show this – all to save a few seconds from a driver’s day. The only argument for turn on red is the proliferation of carbrain, a unique and endemic American ailment.
    - IDC9 September 26, 2025 (1:11 am)
      
      I’m okay with No Turn on Red being in place at all intersections when pedestrians are actively crossing the street or are actively seeking to cross the street. I’m also okay with No Turn on Red being in place at unusual intersections where such a turn would be abnormally dangerous (there is a five way intersection in Tacoma west of the hospitals that serves as a great example of this). However, at traditional intersections where no pedestrians are actively crossing or seeking to cross the street, No Turn on Red should not be in place. It will only add unnecessarily to our region’s chronic traffic congestion. Signs should read “No Turn on Red when Pedestrians Present” or “No Turn on Red when Flashing” with flashing lights to alert approaching drivers that are activated when a pedestrian presses the button to cross the street.
CC September 24, 2025 (10:59 pm)

I really wish they’d add one of these to the intersection of Alaska and 35th if one is driving west. I always feel pressured to make a right turn on red onto SB 35th, but it’s nearly impossible to see what’s coming up the hill.
- K September 25, 2025 (6:40 am)
  
  Yes! In fact, I asked SDOT about it years ago and they said they were considering it, so maybe it’s time to put pressure on them again.
- IDC9 September 26, 2025 (1:12 am)
  
  This sounds like a good example of the type of intersection that needs a permanent No Turn on Red rule in place. I hope SDOT will pay attention to your concerns and act upon them.
- CC September 27, 2025 (8:07 pm)
  
  Sorry I realize now I meant driving east, turning south onto 35th.
Tah September 24, 2025 (11:50 pm)

People ignore the no turn on red signs at CA & AK that have been there for decades. Less signs and more in person enforcement. This sign experiment has been a failure but they keep doubling down. So tired of getting honked at because I won’t make a right on red because the sign prohibits it.
- Lisa September 25, 2025 (6:28 am)
  
  I was thinking the same thing! I’ve written the city about this and have had no response. I’m a runner and so afraid of getting hit there as I see people make a right on red there all the time.
  - Tah September 25, 2025 (8:09 pm)
    
    Hi Lisa, I have asked for enforcement at AK and CA about a dozen times going back to 2011. Never seen it and I have even provided photos and videos as recently as last week.
- CW September 27, 2025 (5:07 pm)
  
  I feel ya! No one HAS to turn on red and I’ve come to enjoy being the “jerk” who simply doesn’t turn on red.
Gibby September 25, 2025 (10:18 am)

They’re adding these no turn on red signs to every light in the city. Basically if they have work to do on a light, these will go up. Part of Seattle’s 0 death future or whatever it’s called. There’s no real safety reason for these and all they are going to do is inconvenience and slow traffic down. Forgive me if I forget to follow these.The worst is the lights in SODO where they have these and you’re driving at night and need to turn right. No one’s around and I can’t turn? Dumb.
- walkerws September 25, 2025 (11:33 am)
  
  There is a safety reason – right turns on red are incredibly hazardous for pedestrians. You can’t wait a minute to turn, because your time is worth more than a pedestrian’s health and life? Bonkers carbrain logic.
  - Gibby September 25, 2025 (12:42 pm)
    
    How does it protect pedestrians when they aren’t there to be protected? Bonkers logic. How does it make a difference if I’m turning right on red when traffic is turning left on a protected green for them? Bonkers logic again I agree.
    - walkerws September 25, 2025 (1:30 pm)
      
      Because they often are there, and drivers going right on red don’t see them. If traffic engineers want to put a green right arrow there for those situations, great. Until then, it’s purely selfish for drivers to turn right on red there.
    - Gibby September 25, 2025 (4:12 pm)
      
      What’s selfish about me wanting to turn when no one is there? It’s selfish of pedestrians (you) to want no turn on red for every single light even the ones where there’s seldom foot traffic. Let’s be real, foot traffic happens during certain times of day and season. This is a dumb blanket policy.
    - Lauren September 26, 2025 (8:52 am)
      
      Yes how DARE these plebeian pedestrians want to cross the street safely!
    - CW September 27, 2025 (5:09 pm)
      
      Hmmm… being safe = being selfish? What twisted world do you inhabit??
    - bill September 25, 2025 (4:48 pm)
      
      The idea is to train drivers to a new normal — right on red not allowed.
    - Gibby September 25, 2025 (5:20 pm)
      
      Sure let’s train drivers when the law exists in one city. That’ll do it!!
    - CW September 27, 2025 (5:10 pm)
      
      You don’t get out much do you?

LoveIt September 24, 2025 (10:00 pm)

That’s great!

Azimuth September 24, 2025 (10:09 pm)

I almost got t-boned today but gotta give them some grace as this is new and it’s not marked as a change. SDOT really should have put some temporary warning signs or something.

I do like the change, for what it’s worth.

Anne September 24, 2025 (10:57 pm)

It’s long past time.

IDC9 September 25, 2025 (12:43 am)

People are going to have to pay a bit more attention going through there now. I agree with Azimuth that SDOT should have made it clear that this is a change so that drivers know to be on the lookout. I fear that there will be an accident at this intersection as a result of the lack of warning that a change has been made. While drivers should always being paying close attention to the road in front of them and all traffic signs (like this one) along the roads they are using, visible warnings that a change has been made will help drivers who know the road well enough that a change like this may catch them off guard. SDOT needs to remedy this at once!

Foop September 25, 2025 (7:44 am)

Asking drivers to pay attention while operating a vehicle is basically a sin. /s
- bill September 25, 2025 (4:49 pm)
  
  Foop: You speak the truth, not sarcasm!
- IDC9 September 26, 2025 (1:19 am)
  
  It shouldn’t be, but it often feels like it is.

Cass September 25, 2025 (5:55 am)

I’m glad to see these stop signs added, though I hope more will be done to alert drivers to the change. I was just recently complaining about the lack of a 4 way stop there – it can be hard to see with the crest of the hill and I’m always worried I’ll be hit by someone speeding who was just out of sight when I checked that the road was clear. Also, yes, the No turn on red at 35th and Roxbury is new, and there were no additional signs to mark the change there either.

North Admiral Cyclist September 25, 2025 (6:15 am)

Usually, the city traffic engineers post temporary flags and/or signs for traffic control changes to alert drivers. It sounds like this did not happen? Glad to see this change. 44th Ave SW is the north-south route preferred by many bicyclists for travel from North Admiral to the Alaska Junction. (The city’s 2023 bikeway map attempts to encourage 48th Ave SW for this purpose, but that street has poor visibility at intersections with too many tall fences and bushy trees/shrubs allowed too close to intersections.) Of course cyclists don’t use California Ave SW for this purpose – at least until it has a protected bike lane. The new all-way stop on 44th Ave SW helps remind drivers to slow down in an area with pedestrians and bicyclists. .

Anthony September 25, 2025 (6:23 am)

Good decision. It’s difficult to see cars coming up the hill on who are eastbound on Oregon until they are close to the intersection, especially if they are speeding.

Julian September 25, 2025 (9:52 am)

Yep! I live right by this intersection and was always thinking it needed the added stop signs for that very reason.

Brian September 25, 2025 (6:29 am)

Are you folks seriously saying the city needs to put up a warning for drivers to look out for the new signs? This is madness. Just pay attention while operating a multi ton vehicle please

Ok September 25, 2025 (2:22 pm)

Better to help people succeed than watch them fail and judge them. Driving is fairly routine and we’re creatures of habit. People have driven that road for decades without a stop sign, and more people will notice and stop with additional signage.
Don Brubeck September 25, 2025 (4:06 pm)

Perception (including vision) is 90 percent memory. Calling attention to something new can really help.

Neighbor September 25, 2025 (6:39 am)

Someone was on that corner a few months ago with a petition for stop signs. I signed! Nice to see it coming to fruition and 100% agree it needs some warning!

Kathy September 25, 2025 (1:04 pm)

That was me. About 10 years ago I submitted a “Your Voice Your Choice” suggestion to make this a 4-way stop. Tired of waiting and complaining so long, I stood at the corner with a petition on 2 Sundays in July. In a total of 4 hours I collected 178 signatures. I sent photos of the signatures and videos of some of the crazy car activity & near misses at this corner. Venu Nemanu of SDOT responded that they would be doing the project this fall. He said they were also evaluating 44th & Genesee for the same treatment. What surprised me were the number of car drivers who also pulled over to sign the petition.
- North Admiral Cyclist September 25, 2025 (3:29 pm)
  
  Kathy, I nominate you for sainthood! Thanks so much for your petition efforts! And yes, Genesee/44th needs the same all-way stop signs. I’ve been cycling 44th as an alternative to California for about 12 years and appreciate the city giving it attention.
  - Kathy September 25, 2025 (4:05 pm)
    
    Ha, ha, I’ve been biking through this intersection for 29 years and have seen a lot of changes in traffic and driving habits over the years.
- Neighbor September 25, 2025 (9:39 pm)
  
  Thank you so much, Kathy!!
  - IDC9 September 26, 2025 (1:21 am)
    
    Here here! Thanks for helping to make West Seattle safer for everyone.
- Molly September 26, 2025 (5:45 am)
  
  The amount of times ive almost been hit on glenn way by drivers going down that oregon hill (intersection past the stop sign) because people do not stop at that stop sign. i wish it would turn 4 way stop there to slow people down.

Rob September 25, 2025 (6:52 am)

I live 1/2 block from this intersection and I’ve noticed a bit more horn honking from there. I also saw a few folks blow through out of habit. Hopefully this article helps get the word out. As someone who crosses Oregon at 44th a couple time per day, this is a most welcome safety improvement for both pedestrians and drivers. I recall a woman collecting signatures for these signs back in the Spring. Seems like her efforts were not in vain. Thanks, nice lady!!!

Lauren September 25, 2025 (7:55 am)

This is great, that intersection REALLY needs it.

helpermonkey September 25, 2025 (8:11 am)

cool now do Arbor Heights.

Cid September 25, 2025 (8:26 am)

I think there should be an ALL WALK at Morgan, California, Fauntleroy junction. But I’m guessing with the Vashon Ferry traffic…that’s not an option?

S September 25, 2025 (8:40 am)

Yay I love new traffic calming, speed control, and stops signs. (I do, I’m serious).

Byron September 25, 2025 (8:43 am)

Add me to the list of folks who nearly got T-boned by someone running the new stop sign. The driver managed to stop and realize they had run the sign, but it was a close call for us.

Thomas September 25, 2025 (8:53 am)

I don’t see this really improving traffic in the area. Traffic is going to back up on those heading west on Oregon.I can see traffic getting stuck crossing over California ave. I live on 44th and depending on the time of day avoid that intersection. Its easier to go to 45th and turn onto to Avalon way. It just seems to me that SDots mission is to slow traffic down to a crawl

Kathy September 25, 2025 (1:16 pm)

Traffic already backs up because people driving west bound on SW Oregon who are trying to turn left onto 44th Ave SW have to wait for oncoming eastbound traffic. Traffic will proceed more orderly with the 4-way stop.
Hope That Helps September 25, 2025 (2:01 pm)

The point isn’t to improve traffic. It’s to keep pedestrians alive.
- Thomas September 25, 2025 (3:37 pm)
  
  Improving traffic and pedestrian safety go hand and hand They are one in the same.
  - Keenan September 27, 2025 (10:15 am)
    
    They are literally at odds with each other. Slowing down traffic is what saves lives. Slow traffic means more time to react before striking a pedestrian, and less chance of death when a strike does occur. I live within one block of this new stop sign so I walk past there every day and I also drive my car past there every day too. The impact on traffic is minimal, there may be one or two cars in front of you max and usually none, same as every other intersection in the neighborhood. Walking does feel MUCH safer now though and I’m glad the city put in the stop signs.

Catherine September 25, 2025 (9:08 am)

I work in North Seattle and all along Aurora Ave they put the No Turns on Red signs…it’s been over a year and still people do it anyways. If I want to turn and stop because of the sign, they honk their horns at me. Also people would run the stop sign going north south on 44th on a regular bases, so now that it’s a 4 way, we won’t have to slam on our brakes to stop from being hit!! Some people seem to be oblivious, wish is scary!!

Admiral2009 September 25, 2025 (9:47 am)

The City needs to only restrict RTOR at locations that technically merit the restriction. There are way to many intersections with the restriction when there is no technical support for it and this over use reduces the credibility at locations that do warrant the restriction! Safety is compromised when Traffic Control is not credible!

walkerws September 25, 2025 (11:34 am)

Right turn on red should be banned at every intersection citywide, statewide, and nationwide.
- 1994 September 25, 2025 (9:38 pm)
  
  Hehe – we know who can sign an executive order for a nationwide ban…sharpie marker is uncapped and at the ready!
  - CW September 27, 2025 (5:14 pm)
    
    Sorry, that marker is only for things that make no sense or are unconstitutional.

Carole September 25, 2025 (10:55 am)

Excellent news on the STOP signs. We need more of them. And please STOP tailgating. It’s counter-productive on your part. Illegal, too. Not to mention rude.

walkerws September 25, 2025 (11:34 am)

Now we need all way walk like at California/Alaska added to California/Edmunds!

Kathy September 25, 2025 (1:23 pm)

I also submitted a “Your Voice Your Choice” suggestion for an all way walk at California/Edmunds which was denied. We could try to revive this. It’s important for pedestrians but also for cyclists to navigate this intersection safely where there are no bike lanes. SW Edmunds Street is an important connection between the de facto “Greenways” on 44th and 42nd Avenues. The same logic making bike crossing safer would support an all ways walk at the Admiral/California Junction.

Mike September 25, 2025 (12:25 pm)

This new 4-way stop is fantastic IMO, and will add safety. HOWEVER, as others have mentioned, SDOT should’ve put up a temporary warning. (I almost drove through without stopping heading westbound yesterday). I’m used to it now and love it.

Brandon September 25, 2025 (2:11 pm)

Ah yes. So what im hearing is the city is deliberately slowing and creating unnecessary traffic by restricting a free right turn under the guise of “safety”. Then reaping the results of more people saying “traffics bad we need a train”. Are they even trying to hide it anymore? First it was the lane reductions, then it was the speed limits and speed bumps, now its the free rights, what’s next? Dont answer that, these people dont need any more crazy ideas.

walkerws September 25, 2025 (3:00 pm)

Hopefully more of all of the above! More lane reductions, more speed limits, more speed bumps, more right turn on red restrictions (sorry drivers who like to hit pedestrians, but you’re losing this one!), and finally more trains! Choo choo!
bill September 25, 2025 (4:54 pm)

What’s next Brandon? More people not maimed or killed, more cars not wrecked. Everything you complain about makes driving safer. Maybe you are alive today because of a safety project that prevented your fatal crash.
- Brandon September 25, 2025 (6:40 pm)
  
  Theres safety and then theres this. 2 lanes of road IS safe. Yielding for right turns IS safe. Higher speed limits IS safe. If you justify every silly change because it provides some remote safety increase, youre on the road to saying we should all not drive by that logic, its asinine.
  
  This reminds me of this famous line, “those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve either one”. Replace freedom with transportation, and safety, and there you go. WHY do people fall for this? Each and every one of these chips against our transportation are rendering it inert, then how will we get around? Oh right, the bus depots and trains where our neighbors shoot up with drugs or shoot and stab each other, the phenominal public transportation we see in the news daily, how great, real safe.
  - E September 26, 2025 (6:09 am)
    
    “Yielding for right turns” is not safe for that very reason–you should be fully stopping, looking bith ways and then considering making a turn. Yielding is not stopping.
    
    Can we please move away from prioritizing motorized vehicles? What makes the goals and objectives of a human encased in a motorized vehicle more important than those who choose to not travel by motorized vehicle? I applaud a city that says my life is valued, even if I am not choosing to travel by motorized vehicle. Every traffic calming measure is a sign that our priorities are shifting.
    
    If you think that fearing for my life when traveling as a vulnerable road user is hyperbole, then I challenge you to spend more time moving through any city outside of a motorized vehicle. More traffic lanes will never ease congestion.
    
    Motorized vehicle operators will actually benefit from increased focus on alternative transportation.
    
    Bicycles deliver the freedom that car commercials promise.
Keenan September 27, 2025 (10:22 am)

You’re so close to understanding how effective pedestrian infrastructure works in every western country except ours.You realize that when regular train/tram service, protected pedestrian walkways, and bike lanes exist more people will take public transit, which means less car traffic, right? That’s actually better for drivers! Every developed European and Asian country has figured this out already but here we are in car-brained America having to deal with car-brained comments like yours.

Tae September 25, 2025 (4:08 pm)

I’m surprised they didn’t make Oregon and Glenn Way an all stop intersection…

Don Brubeck September 25, 2025 (4:09 pm)

The 4-way stop signs are a welcome improvement. It’s really hard to see cars coming up Oregon when crossing on 45th. Thank you to Kathy Dunn for asking SDOT to do this for years, and submitting a petition this year.

flimflam September 25, 2025 (4:15 pm)

The “no turn on red” stuff is silly. When done properly, it’s not dangerous whatsoever. Of course you come to a stop, look both ways a couple of times and proceed when safe. I admit, I still do it whenever possible. I don’t honk at people in front of me if they don’t want to do it – that’s rude. I told my pretty progressive friend in Portland about Seattle getting behind this and she was perplexed.

walkerws September 29, 2025 (9:46 am)

“When done properly” is carrying a whole lot of weight here…

E September 26, 2025 (5:40 am)

RTOR are dangerous for all vulnerable road users (walkers, cyclists, wheelchair users and other non-motorized users permitted on sidewalks, etc.). Physically, motor vehicle operators have limited sight lines. Psychologically, motor vehicle operators think “cars” first, “everyone else” dead last. Rolling stops are a primary reason that all turns and intersections, including driveways and anywhere else a sidewalk or pathway intersects with motor vehicle traffic, are dangerous to vulnerable road users. Motor vehicle operators also tend to operate under the assumption that if the first vehicle went through successfully, then they can too, creating a turnstile effect, rather than each motorized vehicle operator independently assessing the ever changing circumstances. NTOR signs/policies provide safety by ensuring that if the first motor vehicle is stopped, no others behind will go through until the intersection is clear.

Until I see motor vehicle operators working within the current laws, including not running red lights, not speeding, not using the middle turn lanes to pass, not making illegal u-turns, and fully completing a stop before crossing over a vulnerable road user’s pathway, I will never just trust the motorized vehicles operator’s judgment.

Aaron G September 26, 2025 (10:02 am)

This intersection really needed this four way stop sign. It’s better for cars, city buses, pedestrians, and bikes. Thanks Kathy!

Allen September 26, 2025 (5:10 pm)

As I recall, right turn on red was instituted as a means of reducing fuel consumption during the Arab Oil Embargo in the early 1970s. (Until then, it was implicit that with a red light, one stopped until the light turned green. ) Has there ever been a study to confirm that right turn on red led to a reduction in fuel consumption? Perhaps not so much now, when many vehicles are equipped with automatic shutoff when stopped.

Akivista September 26, 2025 (7:20 pm)

SDOT Strikes Again. SDOT is not a friend of drivers. Their goal is to get everyone onto their politically correct mass transit system that keeps most of them employed propagating it and advertising it. Every single action of the DOT always serves their anti car agenda. The safety card can ALWAYS be played to impair traffic flow. From the comments it sounds like non drivers are all gleeful , as always. And car drivers are perplexed, confused, and unhappy. Because we weren’t asked. Pretty much shoved down our collective throats because we have no voice and no advocates. The bureaucracy reigns supreme. Once again. My vote hasn’t counted for 40 years. SDOT may ask for input but then does what it pleases. Accountable to no one skeptical. Which is what really counts.

k September 26, 2025 (8:04 pm)

Congratulations. Now you know what it feels like to be a pedestrian.
West Seattle Lite September 28, 2025 (1:07 pm)

How does adding two stop signs impair traffic flow? It’s still flowing. It’s still moving. It just requires a 5? 10? 15? second stop. A small price to pay for perhaps not hitting a pedestrian or another car. I rarely use mass transit because I tend to walk everywhere, and my head is on a constant swivel looking for inattentive drivers. Get out of your car once in awhile and take some walks around the neighborhood and you may change your tune about getting things “shoved down our collective throats”. What an odd thing to say.
walkerws September 29, 2025 (9:46 am)

This intersection has been incredibly dangerous for years due to the blind hill. Drivers didn’t need to be asked and it’s good that they weren’t. Their input matters zero here, and so it was rightfully not considered.
Kathy September 29, 2025 (2:05 pm)

Akivista, maybe you didn’t read above that many people driving also pulled over and got out of their cars to sign the petition. Other drivers honked and gave my “4-Way Stop?” sign a thumbs up as they passed. On busy traffic days, drivers trying to turn left off of Oregon onto southbound 44th were backing up traffic all the way to California. Buses at the stop had a hard time getting back into the traffic flow to turn left. Now traffic can keep moving in an orderly fashion while everybody takes their turn.