West Seattle Transportation Coalition hears the newest plan for Vision Zero

One year ago, SDOT released its “top-to-bottom review” of the Vision Zero program, concluding that Vision Zero wasn’t making progress toward its goal of zero deaths and serious injuries on Seattle streets by 2030 because too little action was being taken. One year later, the trend has yet to reverse, and SDOT’s newly released Vision Zero Action Plan Update calls again for more to be done. SDOT reps explained what that will detail as the spotlight guests at this past Thursday’s West Seattle Transportation Coalition meeting.

SDOT’s David Burgesser opened by saying it’s all put in perspective by remembering the humanity of each victim – the 1,700+ people seriously hurt and ~228 people killed since the program’s launch in 2015 (update: four this week alone, with deadly crashes in North Seattle and downtown in the hours before the meeting, and another downtown on Friday night, plus one as we wrote this story). A majority of the victims are those most vulnerable, he said – people walking, rolling, or riding.

The updated plan, he said, focuses on 22 strategies, and 80+ actions, most of which, he said, “fall within the safer roads/safer speeds category.”

Part of the plan also seeks better data – for example, while the city has many data dashboards, it does not have one for Vision Zero, but Burgesser said they are working on that. Two sections of the update also call for better correlation of SFD and SPD data from collision responses.

The WSTC meeting discussion didn’t dive into West Seattle specifics, so we browsed the Action Plan Update looking for them. What we found were mentions of some projects already planned or even under way. One was completion of the Terminal 5 Quiet Zone, safety improvements meant to enable trains serving T-5 to (mostly) avoid horn use. (A port rep in attendance at the meeting said the Quiet Zone work should be complete within a few months – that’s a bit behind what was estimated last fall, and way beyond the original plan for it to be done before the first modernized T-5 berth opened.) Another was to “Develop an updated plan to improve the safety of bridge expansion joints, railings, and barrier types for people biking, rolling, and walking,” and the soon-to-begin Admiral Way Bridge seismic-strengthening project was designated for that work. West Seattle light rail, though it’s not planned to launch until 2032, got a mention too: “Develop station access plans for future light rail stations and enhance the experience and quality of existing facilities that connect people walking, biking, and rolling along and across major transit corridors,” with a “2024 target” listed as “Develop a priority list of station access projects for the West Seattle Link Extension stations that can be supported with available station access funding from Sound Transit.” And it’s likely some West Seattle locations will eventually be part of citywide plans like these:

In Q/A, WSTC’s Deb Barker said she had recently visited Australia and learned that it too was having what she termed “abysmal” results despite working under Vision Zero. (We later found this story about that.) She asked Burgesser for an example of where it’s working. New Jersey communities were cited in response – no fatalities in 7 years in Hoboken (population 60,000), for example. (We found this recent story verifying that.) Why a three-year plan? That’s meant to give them an opening for “one more pivot” before 2030 if needed.

ALSO AT THE WSTC MEETING: Kate Nolan from the Northwest Seaport Alliance – the cargo-shipping authority for Seattle and Tacoma – talked about their zero-emission truck program; we weren’t able to watch that section of the meeting, but the full video will eventually be up on the WSTC YouTube channel (now at youtube.com/westseattletc). Asked how many vessels are using shore power now that it’s available at both T-5 berths, she said “about half” was what she’d most recently heard. … Board elections were postponed until the next meeting, July 25, to give time for recruitment efforts; there’s been a lot of attrition in the past year-plus, so lots of room to get involved – email info@westseattletc.org to find out more.

49 Replies to "West Seattle Transportation Coalition hears the newest plan for Vision Zero"

  • Unrealism May 27, 2024 (2:35 am)

    Please can we stop with the Vision Zero!!!!  Speeds should be INCREASED on arterials and LOWERED everywhere else. Bikers, walkers and rollers should not be allowed on arterials unless they can travel at least 45 MPH. Cars should not be allowed on any non-arterial road unless they can travel BELOW 12 MPH (average bicycle speed)! Build separated pedestrian/biking/rolling infrastructure! Build fast, frequent, convenient public-transport!As a driver, I’d voluntarily pay waaaaaay more in licensing to get pedestrians and bikes out of my way and give them a safe, and separate alternative route.  

    • Derek May 27, 2024 (10:15 am)

      This is such an absurd take. Speed should never be increased anymore in town ever again. The road is to be SHARED. Yeah I’m sure you’d love to have a car-paradise but it isn’t one that will garner support as only richer and richer people can even afford them anymore especially new.

      • CarDriver May 27, 2024 (11:10 am)

        Derek. So you believe bikes and pedestrians can be anywhere on the road they feel like?

        • KBear May 27, 2024 (2:01 pm)

          Actually, bicycles CAN use any lane, unless it’s posted otherwise. Even if there’s a bike lane. 

        • Bbron May 27, 2024 (3:36 pm)

          Seattle traffic code grants bikes on roadways all of the rights and responsibilities of any other vehicle, so yes bikes can use any road a car can. which is why it’d be ridiculous to champion higher speed limits.

        • walkerws May 28, 2024 (10:18 am)

          Yes, bikes and pedestrians can be anywhere they want except on a freeway, and drives can slow down and wait.            

      • Working poor are very car dependent May 27, 2024 (5:01 pm)

        The bike lobby is shockingly affluent men. What are we doing? The working class that doesn’t get ride their fancy bike to a shiny glass building downtown need to carry their tools, delivery people and food, they need to get their kids and even get to their second and third jobs. The arrogance behind slowing everyone down and making roads less efficient are the problem. The numbers don’t lie: Vision Zero is absolutely killing people. You have an over burdened system and you’re willfully adding pressure. Of course it’s failing all over the place with unintended consequences. Cut the crap. The Urbanist Utopia promised is a false prophecy. 

        • KBear May 27, 2024 (7:02 pm)

          Yes, if you need to drive your tools, your kids, and your spouse to your job site, a bicycle might not work for you. But your claim of elitism is BS. Even an expensive bicycle is cheaper to operate than a car, and much more conducive to DIY maintenance.

        • Jort May 27, 2024 (11:09 pm)

          Are you really going to say with a straight face that bicycling is more “elitist” than driving? The average cost of a used car, right now, is around $27,000. Are you seriously making this argument? Seriously? 

    • Amy May 27, 2024 (11:33 am)

      Is this comment from the Onion? 

    • BlairJ May 27, 2024 (10:59 pm)

      What you propose is absurd.  How are pedestrians supposed to cross arterials if all the traffic is going 45 mph?  The fatality rate would go way up under such a scenario.

  • H May 27, 2024 (6:53 am)

    Is A.I. helping with the designs and to locate problem areas?Will there ever be Ebike lanes to help get folks from their homes to work and to shops in other county?I feel like city designers are so behind the times. Once they get started on something it’s irrelevant or undesirable. We need more Boring tunnels! Ebike lanes with charging stations connecting counties! 😁👍

  • Vote No May 27, 2024 (8:01 am)

    The upcoming transportation levy is a referendum on SDOT and Vision Zero. The only way to stop this failed policy is to defund it. Hopefully this would hit SDOT hard enough that they would have to cull much of their work force and do the thorough housecleaning this org so desperately needs. Vision Zero is not only a failed policy, it’s actually killing people. The numbers speak for themselves. 

    • wetone May 27, 2024 (10:33 am)

      I agree 100% VN, Vision Zero has made streets more dangerous for all since it’s start, the facts are available. Vision Zero just pushes traffic onto other streets and or impacts drivers, walkers, bike riders with confusing road markings along with impacting ones vision with all the added signage. SDOT and Seattle government is out of control with their spending habits on the war against cars. Their thinking is cult like and everyone has 2+hrs  a day for daily work commute while riding multiple buses getting downtown. What about the largest part of the working population that work elsewhere ? I know how I’m voting and will continue till I see more responsible, common sense, fair for all spending of a 1.4 billion dollar levy. 

      • Bbron May 27, 2024 (4:04 pm)

        what “facts” are you referencing? I was beginning to spend the time to dismantle your comment point-by-point, like for instance that deaths and injuries are happening overwhelmingly on arterials which make your statement “Vision Zero has made streets more dangerous… [because it] pushes traffic onto other streets” ridiculous, but then I read “war [on] cars” and knew it wasn’t going to be worth my time to argue with someone’s sense of entitlement.

    • 1994 May 27, 2024 (10:33 pm)

      Yes! I will be voting no on the transpo levy.

  • K May 27, 2024 (9:21 am)

    We need a complete paradigm shift to true multimodal infrastructure planning.  As long as SDOT is expected to prioritize cars on every project anywhere in the city, there will continue to be deaths for anyone not in a car.  It’s cause-and-effect.  People need other ways to get around, and SDOT need to meaningfully support them.  Protected bike lanes.  Wider sidewalks.  Longer pedestrian leads at signaled intersections.  Fewer uncontrolled intersections.  And actually change the designs of the roads if you want people to slow down.  Changing the speed limit but not the road does nothing.  When you really build a city for pedestrians, they will stop dying at the altar of cars.

  • AK May 27, 2024 (10:03 am)

    Why do they not implement all walk and then cars go, like they do in the junction? Would save a lot tax money.

  • AT May 27, 2024 (11:12 am)

    They could put a single stop sign halfway down & boom, problem solved.

  • Mellow Kitty May 27, 2024 (12:19 pm)

    Hang on! You mean if you don’t enforce traffic laws people continue to break traffic laws. Mind. Blown. 

    • Mark B May 27, 2024 (12:44 pm)

      Exactly. The 25 mph speed limits on the Admiral hill and along 35th are a joke. Try doing anything under 35 and you’ll get tailgated and flipped off. I’ve traveled 35th daily for 5+ years and have never seen a single traffic stop. What has the shift to 25 done for average speeds?Has any agency estimated the taxpayer funds invested so far into this zero-progress effort? I might have overlooked it in the 66-page deck. 

    • anonyme May 27, 2024 (1:44 pm)

      Exactly. Until traffic laws are actually enforced, NOTHING will change.  I don’t care how many speed bumps or flashing lights are installed, drivers will not change unless there is a penalty for bad behavior. When has there been a fine issued for failure to yield to a pedestrian?  I’m guessing never, and it has nothing to do with police being short-staffed.  The crossing at Westwood Village adjacent to the bus layover has had every possible safety design implemented, including an island, brightly marked crosswalk, and on-demand flashing lights, and yet two days ago I saw a group of three people almost hit as a car blew through the flashing lights.  I have to wonder if the driver would change their attitude after a few nights spent in jail at their own expense, and their vehicle impounded?  I will absolutely vote NO to any plan that does not include significant enforcement, and would also support expanded use of cameras for enforcement of violations other than those involving red lights.

    • Jon Wright May 27, 2024 (9:43 pm)

      Once upon a time, I was anti-camera enforcement because of Big Brother, blah, blah, blah. But then I realized people driving crazy was an infinitely bigger existential threat to me and my family than a picture of my license plate in a database somewhere. Just a few days ago, we were stopped at a red light on Delridge when someone came up fast behind us, moved into the oncoming lane of traffic, and blew through the red light. In the absence of enough police officers to enforce traffic laws (which would be a considerable number given the way people drive nowadays), I’m all for cameras everywhere. Red light cameras. Bus lane cameras. Crosswalk cameras. Speed cameras. Put cameras everywhere and try to reign in the insanity.

  • Lagartija Nick May 27, 2024 (3:16 pm)

    Vision Zero has failed because too many entitled road warriors think our streets are their own private race tracks. We see you doing 50-60 mph on the Admiral hill and other arterials. We see you doing 70 mph plus on the WS bridge and Spokane viaduct. So, congratulations road warriors you brought whatever punitive measures SDOT decides to do to slow your a$$e$ down upon yourselves. I support any and all measures SDOT decides to do to get you to slow the flock down.

    • Sarah May 27, 2024 (6:36 pm)

      Hear hear!!

    • Layne May 29, 2024 (7:31 am)

      Yes! ;)

  • Bbron May 27, 2024 (7:41 pm)

    folks in here chirping about how Vision Zero is the cause of deaths: the vast majority of deaths and injuries are on arterial streets and is due to speeding and failure to yield for pedestrians. arterials have been the least modified since Vision Zero started. Vision Zero changes like expanding green ways and adding bike lanes have had an impact in reducing collisions and injuries. to say otherwise does not follow reality. folks in here chirping about the “working poor” that needs car infrastructure: tell me you’ve never ridden a bus. I see plenty of working class folk going to work because vehicles are prohibitively expensive. same with kids that don’t have a vehicle or folks with disabilities that can afford a specialized vehicle or someone to drive them. the vast, vast majority of car infrastructure serves to benefit affluent car drivers. the streets are full of new vehicles, Mercedes BMW huge SUVs, and recently the more cars coming into Seattle have been to vehicles that already own one; those aren’t working class folks, those are absolutely carrying around the bulk of the affluent folks, not bicycles.

  • D E F U N D S O U N D T R A N S I T May 28, 2024 (1:43 am)

    Vision Zero has cost lives. I’ve been living in West Seattle since 1990 and I’ve NEVER seen people drive so fast. No one obeys the 25 mph speed limit because it’s absurd. So instead of going 30 – 35, the flow of traffic on 35th, California, and Delridge is 40+. Hit and runs are epidemic and 22 year-olds in $60,000 SUVs and $80,000 trucks drive over speed humps like they’re fun launch pads. 

  • anonyme May 28, 2024 (6:15 am)

    I don’t think that Vision Zero is to blame for making streets more dangerous, it simply hasn’t done anything to make them less so.  SDOT doubling down on this huge and expensive policy failure demonstrates both a lack of vision AND common sense. At issue is the attitude of Seattleites that laws don’t apply to them, reinforced by city and government agencies that refuse to enforce those laws, and drivers who think they should do whatever the hell they want regardless of the consequences for others.

  • Scarlett May 28, 2024 (8:33 am)

    Much of this does boil down to class warfare as one commenter above said in not so many words.  Those with the most resources, whether it be money or discretionary time on their hands and/or other advantages, dictate life for those with fewer of those resources.  This is why the economically struggling look at these progressive pet projects, whether it be Vision Zero or Safe Streets  with a great deal of skepticism and cynicism because they are “bon-bons” of an affluent society that doesn’t really include them.    

    • Arbor Heights Resident May 28, 2024 (11:47 am)

      Last I checked, riding a bike or bus is far cheaper than car ownership. But do go on about how only rich people bike lol

      • Bbron May 28, 2024 (1:09 pm)

        i can’t understand people w/ this take. buying a car here since i’ve lived here (2014) has always been prohibitively expensive and exclusively used PT. a few years ago, i dropped $400 on an e-scooter that i use to do all my errands (turns out, you can carry a lot in a backpack…). no insurance, no registration, $30 helmet every few years, and a $15 reflective jacket. i’ve been a vocal supporter of bike lanes, but i guess it’s just cause, according to Scarlett, it’s cause i’m an affluent individual with unlimited free time. tell me: where could i have gotten a car for less than $1k over 3 years?

      • Scarlett May 28, 2024 (1:22 pm)

        Are you saying that a poor person who is forced to take the bus lives in the same world as an affluent person who has other options?  This is in the progressive equivalent to  conservative “bootstrap” lectures.   Truth be told, I see much difference between either camps.   

        • Arbor Heights Resident May 28, 2024 (2:12 pm)

          Are you saying that a poor person who is forced to take the bus lives in the same world as an affluent person who has other options?  No idea what you’re trying to say with all this nonsense about “forcing” and “the same world”, but transit and bike infrastructure helps everyone, rich and poor alike. Though it especially helps anyone looking to spend less money on transportation. >   This is in the progressive equivalent to  conservative “bootstrap” lectures. Wait what is? Pointing out that cars are expensive? Genuinely no idea what you’re trying to say here.

          • Scarlett May 29, 2024 (8:48 am)

            Come on, you know exactly what I mean.  The same mentality that drives some conservatives to give “bootstrap” lectures (“Look at me, I made every nickel the hard way!) is the same mentality that affluent progressives use to pretend they live they live on the same plane as poor people (Look at me, I’m taking the bus too!)  Sure,  we could turn West Seattle into a bucolic neighborhood where all you here is the gentle spinning of bicycle wheels where the most serious collison is bumping into each other on the sidewalk but I think we all know who can afford to live in those neighborhoods – right?  

        • Bbron May 28, 2024 (9:12 pm)

          you’re advocating for infrastructure that forces people to purchase and own cars which is magnitudes more impactful on a person financially than if they were hypothetically forced to use PT. if buses and bikes are never going to get the necessary investment to make them as practical as driving, you’ve already decided what the “economically struggling” have to do. having alternative modes of transport alleviates the burden of car ownership. your comment is fundamentally wrong.

    • Bbron May 28, 2024 (1:00 pm)

      true “you had me in the first half” moment. bikers are not universally rich. the vast majority of rich people are driving cars. the vast majority of people in both political and financial power support car infrastructure. it’s wild to me you can agree there is class warfare, but fail to place the blame on the right group. like i’ve said before: y’all don’t ever ride the bus and it shows. additionally, you think rich people are taking the risk of getting obliterated on the road by some regular Joe that happens nearly every month? which affluent neighborhood demanded and solely benefited from, say, the Delridge bike lane (that only goes 1 direction; a half-solution)? i don’t understand which reality you are living in.

  • SC May 28, 2024 (9:14 am)

    I know I am preaching to the choir here, but I can’t reiterate enough that absolutely nothing will change until we start enforcing traffic laws against bad actors. This is not about more protected intersections or lowered speed limits or some SDOT kumbaya about everybody just behaving better. Waiting for my bus on Delridge this AM, a motorcyclist blew by the law abiding traffic going 80+ in the bus lane (which is also a shared bike lane). I see these bad actors every single day and even if it’s 1 in 100, I will repeat, nothing will every change until we start enforcing traffic laws. Vision Zero is 100% disconnected from reality.

    • Beefcake May 28, 2024 (8:34 pm)

      All for enforcing traffic laws, but proactive (infrastructure) solutions are better than reactive (enforcement) solutions. The traffic cop won’t always be on duty, but the speedbumps, narrowed lanes, and bollards never sleep and don’t cost overtime.

  • Rhonda May 28, 2024 (12:16 pm)

    Enforcement Zero cancels-out Vision Zero.

  • Admiral-2009 May 28, 2024 (2:47 pm)

    It’s time to talk about the Elephant in the room.  Drunk and under the influence drivers are responsible for the majority of death and serious injury incidents.  This issue needs to be prioritized!  

    • WSB May 28, 2024 (8:55 pm)

      Not a majority, according to the National Center for Statistics and Analysis (download report here). Horrifyingly high, of course, but 68 percent of deadly crashes did NOT involve an “alcohol-impaired driver”:

      In 2022 there were 13,524 fatalities in motor vehicle traffic crashes in which at least one driver was alcohol-impaired. This represented 32 percent of all traffic fatalities in the United States for the year.

    • Chemist May 29, 2024 (11:41 am)

      Of the 201 pedestrian and bicyclist fatalities in WA state between 2015-2017 involving impairment, 75.6% involved only an impaired pedestrian or cyclist, 12.9% involved only an impaired driver, and 11.4% involved both an impaired pedestrian/bicyclist and impaired driver.  Being under the influence as a pedestrian/bicyclist is very correlated with vehicular death, more so that impaired driving.

  • Art May 28, 2024 (3:27 pm)

    What a disgraceful comment section. How are some people so up in arms about making the neighborhood safer for everyone?

    • Bbron May 28, 2024 (9:24 pm)

      because folks take little to no time to challenge their biases with information. so many comments in this thread would not have happened if commenters took the time to look at actual data, e.g. here, you wouldn’t have claims that “Vision Zero” projects are killing people or incorrectly pin the blame on the more extreme of deviant driving behavior like drinking instead of what drivers commonly do: speed or intentional distractions.

    • Vision Zero failed May 28, 2024 (11:51 pm)

      Art, Vision Zero HASN’T made our neighborhood (or Seattle) safer.

      • Jason May 29, 2024 (12:37 pm)

        But drivers somehow have gotten better? No. Vision Zero does way more by existing than not, at making us safe. 

  • JustSarah May 29, 2024 (9:03 am)

    My NIMBY bingo card sure is filling up quickly lately.

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