Recall theft-prone Kias and Hyundais? Councilmember Lisa Herbold to propose resolution

(WSB photo from September day when stolen Hyundai, Kia were dumped together)

At her final full City Council meeting tomorrow, District 1 Councilmember Lisa Herbold plans a resolution urging the feds to recall the much-stolen Kia and Hyundai models. Here’s the announcement from council staff:

Seattle City Councilmember Lisa Herbold (District 1 – West Seattle) will propose a resolution calling on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to recall specific Kia and Hyundai models and require the manufacturers to install industry standard anti-theft technology.

The lack of immobilizer technology in some models made between 2011 and 2021 has made the vehicles vulnerable to theft. That has negatively impacted public safety in cities across the country – including Seattle.

Earlier this year, the Seattle Police Department said that, from 2021 to 2022, there had been a 363 percent increase in reports of stolen Kias and a 503 percent increase in reports of stolen Hyundais. A more recent investigative report found astounding trends in 68 other cities in the U.S.

In January, Seattle became the first city in the nation to file a lawsuit against the automakers. That lawsuit, which is still pending, is seeking to recover damages for the City from the automakers.

If passed, the City of Seattle would join cities such as Baltimore and Philadelphia in passing a resolution urging a recall.

The NHTSA, however, is not currently contemplating a recall, according to what they told us in response to our inquiry after getting the announcement above. They note that the heart of the theft problem is “intentional criminal conduct,” while adding, “However, since last year, NHTSA has repeatedly met with Hyundai and Kia to discuss the causes contributing to the theft vulnerability, review the scope of differing software and hardware in the affected models, and receive regular updates on the companies’ action plans. NHTSA will continue to monitor this issue, spread awareness of further updates to local authorities, and lend its expertise in efforts to strengthen motor vehicle safety.”

61 Replies to "Recall theft-prone Kias and Hyundais? Councilmember Lisa Herbold to propose resolution"

  • Facts Matter December 11, 2023 (4:00 pm)

    They’re stealing other car brands as well. Should we recall all car brands, or start building up law enforcement and holding the punks who steal the cars accountable with stiff sentencing 

    • Roxhill Resident December 11, 2023 (4:39 pm)

      You’re right, other cars are also stolen; however, Kia and Hyundai models end up being stolen far more often due to the ease of stealing them. You can just download a script online and anyone with a usb drive and this script can easily steal these vehicles once they have access to the ignition. This legislation makes sense given how widespread the problem is. Kia and Hyundai cut corners and society is paying the price for it. It needs to be a recall.

      • Anne December 11, 2023 (8:33 pm)

        This legislation makes NO sense. What makes sense is arresting car thieves & prosecuting them. Ms. Herbold should use what time & power she has left to urge city & county prosecutors to do just that. 

      • Clarity December 11, 2023 (9:10 pm)

        to be correct about how these cars are stolen: there is no script that is executed to steal the car, and the call to use a USB is entirely b/c of it’s shape. Kia and Hyundai skimped out on having an electronic component that normally would prevent the car from starting unless the FOB was nearby, so all that’s required is turning the ignition.

        • Mike December 11, 2023 (10:33 pm)

          More wasted time and effort by our Council.

      • Adam December 11, 2023 (10:45 pm)

        Well, I know where to get those instructions and I know where to get a USB cord. So do you. I haven’t stolen Kias or Hyundais, have you? I suspect not. This is how great your line of reasoning is. Some people like to rob others. Sometimes, they go after old folks because it’s easier. Do you think that has anything to do with the type of person committing the crime, or are they just unfairly enticed by the ease of the situation? Or, and I’m just spitballing here, is it a crime to steal and not a crime to be an easy target? If my house is robbed and Ileft the door unlocked, do they prosecute me? 

  • Graciano December 11, 2023 (4:01 pm)

     Herbold, Put these car thieves in JAIL and stop blaming the car manufacturers.
    Both Kai and Hyundai have anti-theft software updates available.

  • Mr J December 11, 2023 (4:03 pm)

    I just heard on KOUW an ad for their car donation program brought to you by Kia. I lol’d.

  • Wseattleite December 11, 2023 (4:04 pm)

    They note that the heart of the theft problem is “intentional criminal conduct,”  – Yup. But let’s not blame or lock up the criminal. 

  • Eric1 December 11, 2023 (4:39 pm)

    I don’t get how government expects all the features to be installed in a bottom of the line car.  Obviously the cars met manufacturing standards at the time and immobilizers were not required.  That is like requiring old 1990 l’s Toyotas and Hondas to have immobilizers installed today at the manufacturers expense.  Just for the record, the top 4 stolen vehicles in 2022 are not Korean whereas Toyota and Honda are #3 and #4. The only common denominator in all the stolen cars are the thieves.  Maybe a City resolution that states a minimum of 1 month of jail time for each stolen/car taken without permission on your record?  That might be helpful. 

    • MacJ December 11, 2023 (5:45 pm)

      Canada required immobilizers in 2007 for the same cars, and the theft rates for the same Kias and Hyundais are way lower. As always, the auto industry pushes for lower standards, and Americans pay for it, it’s been the same since the 1920s.

    • Clarity December 11, 2023 (9:15 pm)

      the model years of cars being stolen is 2015 and up, so “That is like requiring old 1990” is not a valid comparison. also, the immobilizers cost around ~$50, so probably around 1/5 of 1% of the cars total cost which would be negligible for the purchasers, but vastly benefits the automaker. this was a penny-pinching effort by the automaker at the expense of the customer, not for their benefit.

  • skeeter December 11, 2023 (4:44 pm)

    This illustrates my frustration with the city council.  Seattle has so many problems and so many opportunities.  We really need a council focused on… Seattle.  This resolution, even if passed, will not make a single person or single vehicle in Seattle safer.  It will improve no one’s life.  It is an absolute waste of time and energy.  If car theft is a problem then we need to allocate more resources toward catching and prosecuting car thieves.  Yes, Hyundai and Kia screwed up by making cars that are too easy to steal – but Seattle can’t fix that with a resolution.I have a friend whose Kia was broken into in Redmond two months ago.  The police took the report and dusted for prints.  Maybe they’ll match the prints and prosecute.  I don’t know.  But Redmond is trying.  I don’t think Seattle even attempts to bring car thieves to justice.

    • my two cents December 11, 2023 (6:54 pm)

      Herbold is trying to burnish the resume for the consultancy jobs next on the horizon – but still fighting for the people I’m sure … yep, sure of it, really, 

  • Eddie December 11, 2023 (5:09 pm)

    Should we sue glass manufacturers because store windows are easy to break?Agree, the city council has more pressing problems at home that need more than a “resolution” to address.

    • N in Seattle December 11, 2023 (5:32 pm)

      If a couple of glass manufacturers made really-easy-to-break windows, while the rest made glass that was appreciably more difficult to break, then a lawsuit against those companies would indeed be one of the ways to deal with the smashed-glass problem.

      As would increased efforts to apprehend and prosecute the people who break store glass. It’s not one or the other … both avenues are worthwhile.

    • West Marge December 11, 2023 (6:30 pm)

      The answer is yes, Eddie. That’s how we got safety glass 

    • K December 11, 2023 (6:47 pm)

      Yeah, actually, if leaning on a window made it break then that would be a problem we should ask the manufacturers to solve.  Products do have a reasonable expectation of certain performance.  Nothing in this legislation encourages thieves or absolves them of wrong-doing, or changes the penal code or whatever other nonsense the Lisa-haters here are coming up with.  There is a performance problem with these vehicles, in that the security system is not secure, and they should be recalled for that, just as cars would be for other performance issues.  Finding and returning these stolen vehicles is a drain on resources that Seattle would not have to bear if the manufacturers would have spent the money to correct a KNOWN issue prior to shipping these vehicles.  

  • Watertowerjim December 11, 2023 (5:18 pm)

    Let’s just hire more social workers!  😂 

  • Mike December 11, 2023 (5:40 pm)

    This typifies Herbold’s entire time on the council:  propose and support policies which undermine public safety, then waste time and money on ineffectual symbolic resolutions which have no effect whatsoever. So happy she’s stepping down!

    • tim December 12, 2023 (9:53 am)

      Mike, you nailed it.

  • Odd son December 11, 2023 (5:54 pm)

    What took her so long ;)

  • Karen December 11, 2023 (6:13 pm)

    Herbold, always good for a chuckle.

  • Millie December 11, 2023 (6:30 pm)

    How about spending your last few days as City Councilmember ensuring leaving a livable, safe city for the residents of Seattle (which by the way paid your salary/benefits).

  • lucy sox December 11, 2023 (6:34 pm)

    Hmm… It’s the teenagers and young adults that are stealing the most easily stealable cars in the US, the Kia and Hyundais, and that are the most stolen cars in the US. This age bracket of young individuals do not have enough skill to steal vehicles that are much more detailed to steal. These easily stolen Kia and Hyundais are the vehicles most used in major crimes committed such as armed robberies. It’s clear this issue with easily stealable Kias and Hyundais is the reason our crime rate has increased.  Does anybody else not want the crime rate to go down back to where it was? 

    • MW December 11, 2023 (10:46 pm)

      Oh yes when those Kias and Hyundais are made too difficult for unskilled youngsters, then crime will just go down because of course those youngsters will then understand they’re out of options and will have to get their money legally by working a real job.  Yep for sure, crime will go down.  

  • whatsThePointOfGovernmentIfNooneGoverns December 11, 2023 (6:43 pm)

    Lazy legislative – just create laws that ban cars without immobilizers like the rest of the world… stop pushing pencils from one hand to another and do your job.

  • Rick December 11, 2023 (7:17 pm)

    Best car theft deterrent is a good ‘ole clutch and stick shift.

  • Mr J December 11, 2023 (7:27 pm)

    Wait. People are mad at the Council? They are not in charge of enforcement or prosecution. Everyone’s favorite Republican Ann “tough on crime” Davidson is in charge of that. Why the hate on the Council (BTW Ann sued the car makers)??? Just curious if the comments on here are just uniformed or just rage hating on Lisa.

    • Byron James December 12, 2023 (12:53 am)

      Seattle’s City Prosecutor doesn’t prosecute felonies, only misdemeanors. Felonies are dealt with by the King County Prosecutor.56.065): A person commits theft of a motor vehicle by stealing a vehicle regardless of the value of the vehicle. Theft of a motor vehicle is a class B felony punishable by a maximum of 10 years in jail and a $20,000 fine.

  • Lucy December 11, 2023 (7:34 pm)

    How about holding TikTok responsible for continuing to allow thousands of videos showing and encouraging kids to do this!   

  • Say What? December 11, 2023 (7:39 pm)

    On her last day (so she can’t see it through) a city councillor will propose (not necessarily deliver) that the council urge (oh no, not an urge!) the NHTSA (who has probably heard of Seattle but couldn’t care less what its city council says) to demand that Kia and Hyundai (foreign corporations) recall (lose tons of money) a bunch of their cars because they’re easy to  steal. We pay these people? What happens if we don’t have a city council. 

    • WSResident December 12, 2023 (8:50 am)

      You’ve summarized it well. So frustrating.

  • UrbanRaccoon December 11, 2023 (7:51 pm)

    We lost our insurance because we drive a Kia (although not one of the ones that are easily stolen.) We now pay twice as much for insurance – and no one seems to care.

    • Clarity December 11, 2023 (9:21 pm)

      for all the folks saying to only “blame the thieves” this right here is the reason to put some of the onus on the automakers. people who previously purchased one of these vehicles are now getting burned because insurance agencies don’t want to take on the costs that the automakers essentially profited off of resulting in the owners paying more than they would’ve if they just included an immobilizer that’s industry standard. the consumer is bearing the brunt of this whether or not their car is stolen, so a recall is definitely warranted.

      • Wseattleite December 11, 2023 (10:43 pm)

        Why not sue the people buying the cars?  That is just as ridiculous as Lisa’s efforts here. Blame everyone except the criminal.  That defund the police effort (the effort, not the defunding for all of the obtuse people who point out there was no defunding), has done so much damage to our society.  Completely predictable to most. A shocking unintended consequence to the loud noisy activists. 

        • Clarity December 12, 2023 (5:08 am)

          lol the straining to grasp at straws here is palpable. where did Kia and Hyundai disclose to consumers that they didn’t add an immobilizer, what the implications of that was, and no way to get it added onto their purchase for ~$50? the key to your argument is transparency to the consumer which wasn’t there. “Blame everyone except the criminal” where did i say that? critical thinking can reveal that, yes, the profiteering by the automakers was at the detriment of the consumer. you admit SPD didn’t lose any resources, so what? their feelings were hurt by people looking at their huge budget and the lack of return on it? btw, what do you think happens to a police force when there’s an uptick in easily commitable crime? that’s right: their resources (that you think are already low) are spread even thinner. if door locks were sold to folks with only 1 locking pin, but never disclosed to the consumer that was relying on industry standards to judge their purchase, and houses got broken into more frequently, how would the manufacturer not be liable? you can hold multiple parties accountable for a situation; it isn’t difficult.

      • Mike December 12, 2023 (5:59 am)

        If you don’t teach right and wrong and there’s no consequences….

    • Pauline December 11, 2023 (9:23 pm)

      What?! Did they say it’s because of that reason alone your insurance is high? I swear that sounds illegal! I hope you can somehow dispute that as there plenty of car models prone to theft! Owners who didn’t do their research about the car shouldn’t be punished at all! What they need to do is Find the ones committing the crime  🤦🏾‍♀️

      • Clarity December 12, 2023 (5:12 am)

        “Owners who didn’t do their research about the car” remember, this is from models dating from 2015 to now/2021, and the automakers never disclosed this cost-cutting measure, so there was no way for the average consumer to have found this out until it was too late. and, no, it isn’t illegal for insurance companies to drop coverage or change rates (check out your policy agreements; there’s no case in the US where insurance is a right of the consumer). insurance companies are only legally obligated to protect the interest of shareholders (like all (public) companies). check the insurance companies leaving Florida due to increases in natural disasters.

      • Mark Snarky December 13, 2023 (11:15 pm)

        This is true..My rates doubled  and when I shopped around for insurance, it was even higher.

  • SK December 11, 2023 (10:05 pm)

    When 12 year olds with no technical training or specialized tools can steal a car in less than 2 mins after watching a video, Hyundai and Kia should be recalling their vehicles. Not only do these vehicles represent an unreasonable risk to motor vehicle safety under the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle  Safety Act, they clearly fail to meet the intent of the federal theft prevention standard (FMVSS114), which was written decades ago and put in place to mitigate this very condition — cars stolen by “casual” thieves (as opposed to professionals) who often steal vehicles for “joyrides” leading to a huge increase in death and injury crashes. (see: https://www.safetyresearch.net/the-hyundai-kia-theft-mayhem-continues-srs-keeps-nhtsa-apprised/) Hyundai-Kia owners are getting a half-baked service campaign — not a recall — this seriously affects owners and non-owners, including municipalities – and it will continue to for years. When companies cut corners and hide behind technicalities in the rules, and the rules aren’t enforced or updated by the feds, cities and states have a place to press for actions – as do its citizens. 

    • Kamun Cence December 14, 2023 (12:28 pm)

      Perhaps the 12 yo parents should be a little more aware of their childs whereabouts and actions.  Its easy to do a lot of illegal things, but it doesnt mean we should. Maybe we should work on punishing criminals instead of making things harder to steal.

  • Rhonda2 December 12, 2023 (12:40 am)

    July 2022 my KIA was stolen and recovered. 3+ months in shop waiting on steering wheel parts. Insurance ran out. Dealer had all loaners out. More out of pocket for me. Car fixed, but no fix for the immobilizer. Fast forward Oct 2023. Stollen again. This time the kids totaled it. My thought is everyone is a day late and a dollar short. Move on to actual city business and stop looking for money, Peoria Illinois victim 

  • Brian O December 12, 2023 (5:20 am)

    My goodness. What a visionary!

  • Catrina60 December 12, 2023 (5:48 am)

    Our insurance has also gone up and we were told it’s because of the Hyundai!!!  Why not enforce the laws for these thugs, instead of a slap on the wrist and stern “Don’t do it again”?  Someone in a comment said there is a video on how to steal a Kia, why not go after that person and shut down the site.  But no, our illustrious City Council goes after the money.  They don’t care about the citizens or what’s best for the City!!!  I pray one day they wake up to the struggles the Average Joe has leaving in a crime infested place.

  • Big Dave December 12, 2023 (7:34 am)

    So much for defund the police. Our criminal justice system is supposed to protect we citizens. Not the criminals. Herbold could never understand that part.

  • Rara December 12, 2023 (8:39 am)

    My nieces Kia was stolen and recovered. They ruined the steering column, so we had to have it towed home.  Then they came back a week and a half later, and tried to steal it again. I put a club on the steering wheel, and they completely sawed through the steering wheel to get that off. Two days later, they came back and smashed my window. The officers that I spoke with said they are having a really hard time catching these guys because they’re stealing cars and using them in other crimes and they can’t track them down. Can’t wait to get her car fixed and traded in. 

  • WS Res December 12, 2023 (10:50 am)

    I’m really stunned that so many people here in the comments seem dead set against trying to hold a corporations accountable for selling dangerous, defective products in order to increase their profits.

    • Rhonda December 12, 2023 (2:59 pm)

      How on earth do you think a company with a BAD reputation of having easily-stolen vehicles would increase their profits? Hyundai has probably lost almost a billion dollars in sales from this by now.

      • Clarity December 13, 2023 (6:46 am)

        because they sold vehicles without a $50 immobilizer from 2015 until 2021 before this whole thing came out. that many millions if not a few billions in savings. you think all companies have a long-term view on their business? look at Purdue, look at Nestle, look at the numerous examples of companies that strive for short-term profit above all else. and if you actually went to back up your viewpoint, you’d see that no Hyundai and Kia (public companies w/ financial statements) have not lost any profits or sales from this so far.

    • Diane December 12, 2023 (4:15 pm)

      agree 100%; and jeez, after decades of service, Lisa tries to do something really helpful on her way out to stop kids from easily stealing cars as transport for more crimes, but all y’all can do is complain & keep bashing her?  who the heck would even want to be a City Councilmember and get verbally abused for years?  enjoy your retirement CM Herbold; grateful for you

    • CARGUY December 12, 2023 (4:22 pm)

      If it was dangerous and defective for normal operation, these would be recalled for that. But the lack of an ignition immobilizer does not make normal operation of the vehicle more dangerous, or make it defective. this is not required by law, should we change the law for future vehicle to be required? Yeah., I think so. 

  • Brandon December 12, 2023 (4:16 pm)

    If we’re trying to sue the car manufacturers now for the theft of their products, can we sue the politician’s letting crime get out of hand in their communities? Or is that a one-way virtue signal road they’re exempt from? Asking for everyone not seeing through this double standard.

    • Rara December 13, 2023 (8:39 am)

      Brandon, I can’t disagree with you on that! It’s true. 

  • BG December 12, 2023 (6:00 pm)

    I would prefer that Lisa introduce a resolution to publish King County/Seattle car theft arrest, prosecution, and, in particular, sentencing statistics.  I’d be interested to know how many times a car thief gets caught before significant jail time occurs.I say this as a person that had a Honda stolen in front of my WS home about two years ago.  The car was recovered and Sea-Tac police found fingerprints of a person well known to them but said there was nothing they could do.I think the best way to confront this problem is to deal with the people actually stealing the cars. 

    • Tim December 12, 2023 (8:11 pm)

      Exactly. There’s the problem right there. In the 60’s you could easily steal any car.  There were no steering wheel locks. If you couldn’t start the ignition with a screwdriver, all you had to do was reach under and connect the two wires.  If you were caught you did time. Cars were not recalled. Police arrested the perps. Lisa Herbold, can’t wait until she’s gone.  I hope someone can eventually undue all of her damage.

      • Mark Snarky December 13, 2023 (11:23 pm)

        Cars back then were not recalled because there wasn’t anti-theft technology until many years later. The cars in question here were manufactured during a time when all companies were moving forward with a simple anti-theft design that was standard for most cars. 

  • SpencerGT December 12, 2023 (11:14 pm)

    I think that this makes sense.

  • Actually Mike December 14, 2023 (11:51 am)

    I was recently in the market for a new car and looked at several different brands and models before I purchased one. Might have been interested in a couple of Hyundai / Kia models, but wouldn’t even consider them because of this issue. The punks stealing those cars aren’t smart enough to recognize when they’re up against a transponder key / immobilizer system that they can’t beat–a friend with a late-model Hyundai found that his dashboard had been all torn apart, thousands of $ in damage before the punk gave up and went away. My point is that Hyundai / Kia are already being hurt by lost potential sales that they never heard about–and of course, we’re all paying the price for living in this Law-Enforcement Free community.

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