VIDEO: Here’s what happened at Seattle Public Schools’ local meeting to move toward ‘well-resourced’ – and likely fewer – schools

(WSB photos/video)

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

“If you’re organizing and you have your shirts all ready to go to protect your school, it’s a little bit premature.”

Seattle Public Schools superintendent Dr. Brent Jones was trying to be humorous when he said that last night, reiterating to a crowd at Madison Middle School that he has no list – yet – of schools to be closed/consolidated to help pull SPS off the edge of a $100+ million budget abyss.

But his remark couldn’t help but carry echoes of the often-bitterly fought school-closure process of the late ’00s, when indeed, some school communities came to meetings in custom T-shirts and with signs. That potential phase of this process is at least a few months away. First, the district is having a series of community meetings, held regionally but identical in format. Last night’s “southwest region” meeting, as previewed at the Tuesday “central region” meeting, was meant to collect general thoughts, “to share ideas, re-imagine our school system … (so SPS can) get stronger, be more equitable, be better … evaluate how to create and pay for a school system that puts every student on the path to success,” as district chief of staff Bev Redmond outlined in her opening remarks.

In addition to the goal of defining “well-resourced schools” – which ostensibly would be the result of consolidations/closures – Redmond noted the district is also starting levy planning. Regarding the timeline, she reiterated no school consolidations/closures for this school year – but there’ll be a survey toward the start of the school year, and then the input will go to Dr. Jones for a plan to be announced in November.

Here’s our video of what Redmond, Jones, and associate superintendent Dr. Rocky Torres said to open the meeting, before it moved to small-group discussions:

Dr, Jones said what he had said Tuesday night: “As much as we love our schools,” it’s not fair when they can’t all get enough resources. “We are here to prioritize and elevate what’s most important for our students … We can do anything but we can’t do everything.” He said that funding would be used ‘judiciously” and “strategic(ally),” including creating “the safest” schools that are “robust.” He again asked everyone to think about “what a well-resourced school is.”

As Dr. Torres subsequently outlined, that was to be done in small groups at tables around the commons, “getting at what is it you really want from our schools,” discussing three topics over the course of about an hour. Each table had a district administrator (some were principals and assistant principals from West Seattle schools) as facilitator.

The district, as it had on Tuesday, streamed the meeting on YouTube but did not have audio from any of the table conversations. We tried to do that, with half our two-person team observing the discussions and taking notes while the other video/audio-recorded at other tables. Our success at that was somewhat mixed because the acoustics in the room were challenging, to say the least, and it was close to impossible to hear someone even a few seats away. Our video of one table conversation (after we switched locations multiple times) did work out – this was from the third question, “”What kind of programs do you – and (if you have one) your student value the most and why?”

(Our camera stayed on the facilitator while recording participants’ voices.)

At the table where we observed discussion on the same question minus camera, there was a lot of support for PE, and the observation that it has social benefits too. The ensuing discussion was more philosophical than specific in terms of listing valued programs, so that table’s facilitator tried to get it back on track by asking for ideas of “dream programs.” The resulting list included band, theater, field trips, “basic mental health (awareness),” even financial education. Two people at the table spoke admiringly of a teacher who took students to the courthouse and brought in speakers such as political candidates. Also mentioned at this table: Full-time librarians at every school, and better technology instruction.

For the first question, our table notes are somewhat skewed because it turned out that most of the people we could hear were part of the Lafayette Elementary community (even the facilitator). This question for the room was, “What are your favorite things about your student’s school building?” For Lafayette – which is considered to be sorely in need of a rebuild, but in the most-recent levy process, Alki was chosen instead – that was a challenge. Nonetheless, table participants (the ones we could hear) expressed appreciation for the garden, the climbing wall in the gym, large windows and lots of light. Other valued features of schools that were mentioned but not by name: Setting (schools next to ravines/greenbelts as well as Lafayette’s setting in the midst of big-city amenities – “we’re so in the middle of everything.”

Following this discussion, Dr. Torres said from the stage that “themes” heard by circulating district personnel – tables were supposed to have “scribes” but the table at which we sat for that first question did not – included renovated buildings, open space, great greenspaces, student work on the walls, culturally responsive buildings, the value of schools in neighborhoods, safety, community-resource spaces.” Participants also were given time to write responses to each of the three questions and put them up on easels around the room.

The next question was framed as addressing support services and resources – how could they be made “stronger” at individual schools? We moved to another table, and we heard a lot of discussion about more participation, particularly in PTAs/PTSAs and other types of “parent-teacher organizations” (PTOs). That’s difficult at a small school, a participant observed. Barriers to participation are more a matter of time than money, another said. Those who have more time to give are able to raise more money, and that becomes a self-reinforcing cycle. It’s important to get families involved early – kindergarten, 1st grade.

That led to some discussion of how levy money is used. Some participants noted that existing services need to be increased – one school gets West Seattle Food Bank help on Fridays to send weekend food home with kids, but it’s often not enough; another school has a part-time nurse who goes to other schools on other days. Insufficient access to programs and services also can lead to cancellations or cuts in those services because of low participation – a “chicken or egg” situation, one participant observed. Also a factor in situations like that: Insufficient communication about the availability of certain programs. There was general agreement that improved communication was a need – including direct communication such as teachers texting families.

Room-wide “themes” noted by Dr. Torres for this topic included counselors, mental-health support, family resources, translators, community connections, support teams in classrooms, meal services after school and on weekends.

By meeting’s end, the district had dozens of sticky notes as well as observations from “scribes” an other district personnel working the room. So how will all this lead to a plan for “well-resourced schools,” theoretically fewer schools than the district operates now? That’s up to district administrators and school-board members who have a “huge” decision looming, Redmond said in closing: “We want to make sure to secure the future for generations to come.”

WHAT’S NEXT: Since the format and content of the meetings aren’t geographically customized, if you couldn’t get to this one but would like to add your answers to the three questions, here’s the list of the remaining three in-person and one online meeting. Then look for the district to circulate a survey sometime after school starts in early September.

16 Replies to "VIDEO: Here's what happened at Seattle Public Schools' local meeting to move toward 'well-resourced' - and likely fewer - schools"

  • Yo! August 11, 2023 (10:12 pm)

    COVID has had a huge impact on society. I am sure schools all over the world are going through the same situation. My kids go to Louisa Boren STEM K-8, and I love the school. Wonderful teachers and staff. What’s the solution. Maybe we can all donate money to help,. I don’t mind supporting the schools. Maybe $200 bucks. It’s a start.

    • Niko August 12, 2023 (3:16 am)

      Well yearly well over half of property taxes collected are supposed to be going to the schools. Practically being taxed out of our homes for schools we can’t afford anymore

    • A WS parent August 12, 2023 (9:45 am)

      At least 5,000,000 people would have to donate $200 to get SPS out of its 100+ million deficit. We need a more systemic solution than public donations.    

    • Zoe August 14, 2023 (7:01 am)

      I’m a liberal democrat and I think the waste and mismanagement at SPS schools is outrageous. There are too many people in central admin making six figures and they don’t do anything truly productive. I don’t think things can be fixed without a serious revamp. It is way to top heavy. I did an internship in an SPS school and it’s ridiculous.

  • Realist August 12, 2023 (8:26 am)

    The answer is what the administration is trying to do: close some schools and centralize resources so the remaining schools have more of what they need. Folks who don’t want “their” school closed are just a 180 of the NIMBYs. They only care about “their” school. If you truly care about education and not the convenience of your school being a mile or two closer, you’d support the school closings. 

  • Parent of SPS students August 12, 2023 (10:03 am)

    SPS is a mess. Yes, it’s underfunded (the attack on public education isn’t just a red state problem). But the SPS administration is full of bureaucrats who’s priority is their own jobs and maintaining the bureaucracy. When teachers strike, who is it they have to fight against? Why don’t we ever see the SPS leadership fighting for more funding? And don’t get me started on special education; there’s another class action lawsuit there just begging to be filed.

    • teacher August 12, 2023 (3:57 pm)

      Agree. I have been a public school teacher for a long time and yes, schools are underfunded by the state (especially Special Ed services which includes students with disabilities and students that are gifted), when teachers strike it should never be a fight; the district and teachers union should always be working together but the district tends to tell the public little lies when the teachers are asking for what is fair and just for staff and students and comparable to neighboring districts, and the central office admin often seem to pit the principals and teachers against each other instead showing real leadership and working with the principals to find out what their schools need to be successful. I have worked in other districts and the central office is heavy on beauracy here. Dr. Jones seems to be doing the best he can, which is better than past superintendents, but Dr. Torres has not been impressive in any way yet especially when he was in charge of special ed. 

  • Kelli August 12, 2023 (11:54 am)

    I feel so blessed and fortunate that I have been able to send my child to private school. (Holy Rosary) the lack of a responsive administration and poor support of teachers is just one reason we made this decision it created financial hardship, we are hardly wealthy but the sacrifices have been so worth it.  SPS continues to be a hot mess

    • Mom August 13, 2023 (7:50 am)

      Ditto. We’re choosing private school and so thankful. It’s a stretch for us but our kids matter too much to be tangled up in SPS.

    • Me mama August 13, 2023 (10:50 am)

      I hear you, it’s crazy making the amount of bureaucracy in SPS. And pretty much any other large organization.  Good for you that you can opt out into something smaller and more nimble.  But honestly, at the local level, each individual school is impacted most by their own administration.  So individually each school has its own potential.  The ones I’ve had kids at: Lafayette, Fairmount Park and Madison Middle have been amazing schools 

  • S August 12, 2023 (3:15 pm)

     If consolidation will make available the services and opportunities needed for all students to reach their full potential, then it should be done. The public schools in Seattle have a history of being consistently underfunded. Will consolidation finally fully fund the schools or is consolidation a budget deficit band-aid? Is a new large underfunded school better or worse than a older smaller underfunded school? 

  • Admiral Mom August 12, 2023 (3:31 pm)

    I support public schools and understand it is IMPOSSIBLE to sustain schools with low enrollment. I can sit here and criticize the district for all the mistakes they have made, or stand up and help our schools get what they need, including consolidation. Unpopular opinion I guess. But please do tell how you envision sustaining schools with low enrollment. Please and thank you

  • Pauline August 13, 2023 (2:23 am)

    To reduce schools is to not make it effective to the many bodies of student. In my mind less schools, bigger class size, fewer teacher instructors to cater to all students…also what location you talking about? The schools that already didn’t have enough resources to begin with…Schools that caters to a diverse groups from low to moderate socioeconomic backgrounds. Ones who have to commute even further to school. What I heard is they still inconsistent with interpreter services for schools and push back for further assessments to access 504 or IEP; specialize program didn’t have capacity for one to one support. interesting as with the amount of strike this is all the district can come up with… 

  • Zark00 August 13, 2023 (11:34 am)

    Close all the charter schools, they make zero difference, results are identical to regular public school, they just cost us money for nothing. Direct the money from weed tax to public education like they were supposed to. Tie SPS admin salaries to school enrollment goals, school performance goals, and especially to parent and teacher approval ratings. In the current SPS budget we’re spending $588M on teaching activities and $68M on central admin. We have massive bloat in central admin,  it will never be addressed because central admin creates the budget.

  • meemaw August 14, 2023 (12:18 pm)

    Washington state ranks 16th in per pupil spending in the U.S.  Out of the other 8 states with no income tax, 3 spend more, and 5 spend significantly less 41st;  43th-45th). Two of the 3 states who spend more have historically heavy oil and gas industry.

    https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/per-pupil-spending-by-state/#:~:text=Per%20pupil%20spending%20varies%20significantly,Jersey%20ranks%20third%20at%20%2420%2C512.

    Washington is tax friendly to corporations, has the 4th highest sales tax, and THE highest gas tax in the country. We fund public education through property taxes and local levies only. Washington always wants to have it both ways. Lower property taxes and no state income tax. Low car tabs and state of the art public transit.

    We can’t spend funds on education unless we raise them. Either we value education, or we don’t. (The state constitution says it’s the state’s “paramount duty.) Yes, I’m arguing for a fair, progressive state income tax.

    • Gaslit August 14, 2023 (1:51 pm)

      There is no “fair” method of taxation. The idea of state income tax would still need to be approved, marked up and appropriated even if someone managed to prove in court that it isn’t illegal. Do you think smaller counties’ representation are just going to agree to give up their residents’ representation because Seattle public schools and its corrupt union can’t figure out how to balance a checkbook. Sensible people will consider your “progressive” income tax after a full austerity reduction happens to all public programs, policy and employees across the state. 

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