43 Replies to "UPDATE: Gunfire investigation in North Delridge (updated)"

• Chris Coulter May 22, 2022 (7:46 pm)

  Called this one in. Lots of neighbors out talking about what happened. We are tired of the shootings in our small Youngstown Neighborhood. 3rd one this year that I am aware of. I have emailed Lisa Herbold. Let’s see if she will act on our behalf.

  • Jason Street May 22, 2022 (8:10 pm)

    She won’t. Why would she? She has no power.

  • Jeff May 22, 2022 (8:19 pm)

    She will absolutely address it verbally but looking at the efficacy of her actions over the past six years, we may have to look elsewhere for change. I appreciate her ability to articulate a vision and time spent attempting to serve our community but I’ve lost faith in her ability to execute. Things have not gotten better under her leadership.  

    • bill May 22, 2022 (9:21 pm)

      What actions are Herbold supposed to execute? The mayor (Durkan, now Harrell) is the one who give orders to city employees. 

      • Jeff May 22, 2022 (10:36 pm)

        It’s a fair question Bill. I don’t have a definitive answer, which is why I don’t run for office. My assumption is that the City Council works with other elected officials to address the issues impacting the quality of life for constituents across Seattle and King County. My opinion is that things have regressed, not progressed. You are absolutely welcome to disagree but I’m ready to give someone else another chance. 

    • Kar May 24, 2022 (5:10 pm)

      Lisa Herbold is too busy trying to get free dumpsters and mechanics for the RV’s next to the WSHC Gym. Why? Trying to find a solution fir the people living in the RV’s. Again why? You know the Rv’s where 2 shootings just happened? Why do we cater to this problem? Has safety taken a back seat?If you and I parked there for 3 days our cars would be cited. These lame RV’s a health and safety hazard to the community. Because of City Council taxpayers are paying for them to free load. The Seattle City council is ruining Seattle. Fire every single council member starting with Herbold.72 hr enforcement rule was supposed to be enforced April 10 2022 since then another shooting. Fix it Seattle Council quit catering to the druggies.

  • Jc May 22, 2022 (8:28 pm)

    Third one in the last 2 months! 2nd one in the last 8 days. 

  • Avalonian May 22, 2022 (10:06 pm)

    We have a group of neighbors up the hill that echo your concerns. 

  • T May 23, 2022 (7:49 am)

    You will get the same copy and pasted email that everyone gets and has been getting for months.She did nothing after a daycare went on lockdown after someone actually got shot so she will do nothing again now other than tell you she can’t do anything and to email the mayor.

• zark00 May 22, 2022 (8:49 pm)

  What we need, clearly, is more guns. 2nd amendment ftw once again. 

• Navi May 22, 2022 (8:59 pm)

  Sent in videos of the truck that were caught on our camera to the PD

• Tricia May 22, 2022 (9:11 pm)

  Anyone else hear what sounded like gunshots early in the am on Fri? About 3:15 am?The SPD data maps showed 2 calls. I was wondering if its related. Those “shots” sounded like they came from the park area.

  • Neighbor May 22, 2022 (9:41 pm)

    I heard those shots too. It was about 10 and it sounded like two different guns being fired. I was surprised to hear no cops or anything else happen after the shots were fired. 

  • Youngstown resident May 22, 2022 (10:33 pm)

    It was fireworks. They woke us up (we live on 30th). They sounded like they were being shot off pretty close to our apartment building. Some of our neighbors actually saw the fireworks going off in the sky. Annoying, but thankfully not yet another shooting incident. 

• YB May 22, 2022 (9:14 pm)

  I emailed her too. The more emails the better to know what her constituents want. And of course elections next year. 

• Mike May 22, 2022 (10:19 pm)

  It’s almost like a rise in violent crime is related to the lack of police we can deploy and judges who don’t believe people should be locked up.  Hmmmm

  • Marcus May 23, 2022 (5:44 am)

    Mike you are correct.  I remember years ago police cars would occasionally drive up our block.  We would wave a welcome.  Also I use to see several at the old Dunkin’ Donuts now the admiral Starbucks.  It is called patrolling and showing a presence.  Such a deterrent to crime and poor driving habits.  

  • Kevin on Delridge May 23, 2022 (6:40 am)

    It’s almost like a rise in adults who have a child like understanding of crime, akin to “cops and robbers” make us (society) incapable of any analysis or prescriptions other than “more cops.”

    An iota of thought and research would make that apparent to you.

    More troubling, the amount of time a person needs to spend to turn your reductive and sarcastic analysis into a useful discussion is far too high. 

    But we know, you just want a police state to keep the undesirables under control while you endorse and comply with your corporate masters who created these conditions. Hmmmmm

    • Jim P. May 23, 2022 (12:42 pm)

      I’d call that a false dichotomy.  There’s more than two positions on this.People who run around shooting guns at occupied buildings for whatever reason do count as “undesirables” by most people. Do you have a different take on that aspect?
      I see it as people are responsible for their behavior and the choices they make.  Stealing a loaf of bread because your family is hungry and you cannot find work is not the same as shooting at people you don’t like over a gang dispute or because someone worse the wrong color shoe laces on your “turf” as extreme examples.

      • Kevin on Delridge May 23, 2022 (2:43 pm)

        You setup the false dichotomy. I am speaking about the way to analyze and understand, the descriptive, and how we use that to inform what we do about it, the prescriptive. My comment wasn’t on this specific act but the general statement made by Mike about the origins of crime and solutions they think follows from that understanding. If you want to argue the statement was specific to this act, you’ll need to provide the evidence for that.

        Our goal should be to make accurate descriptive statements so we can produce prescriptions that meet our goals. I would argue Mike did not do that but they may not have the ability to expound on their position.

        I find it telling that you ascribed undesirability to the people rather than the actions. The actions are undesirable but they are not unchangeable. I hope this was simply a slip, but if not, the inability to understand the sociologic and economic conditions that produce crime and your complicity in those systems (assuredly unrealized) is why we’re in this situation.

        I won’t deny that more police may be needed in the near-term but our approach and the way we speak about this needs to change. The solutions are available and possible, but too many in our community reject the solutions. As a hint, the core issue is capitalism, many in our society are attempting to stave off the worse of it, but too many want to protect their wealth and make sure people “prove” themselves in a coercive and alienating system.

        Now, if you just believe these “undesirable people” are just at their core evil, unchangeable and, somehow not a product of our society that is a whole different discussion.

    • Walker May 23, 2022 (4:51 pm)

      “your corporate masters” is such an interesting phrase… And a useless one as well. Please explain how you are NOT under the yolk of such corporations as you claim we are.

      • Kevin on Delridge May 23, 2022 (6:16 pm)

        We are all under them, some of choose to serve them knowingly or unknowingly.

        And why do you want an explanation for a “useless phrase?” What an embarrassing comment for you.

        • Walker May 23, 2022 (8:18 pm)

          You’re here on the internet like the rest of us – you serve “them” knowingly.

        • Kevin on Delridge May 26, 2022 (9:58 pm)

          You got me.

  • wscommuter May 23, 2022 (8:46 am)

    “… and judges who don’t believe people should be locked up.”  Really ignorant comment.  Judges have to operate within the authority they have.  Too many people think that judges have unlimited power and just willy-nilly let people go or give light sentences because they’re supposedly soft on crime.  Reality is different.  Bail decisions have to be made in context and include dealing with the reality of overcrowding of the county jail system – you want to hold more people in jail while waiting for trial?  Then approve building more jails.  You know – raise taxes.  When people get convicted of felonies, judges are required to sentence within the legislatively mandated punishment range.  If you think felony sentences are too lenient, then lobby your representatives.  That’s who decides the sentencing ranges for all felonies.   Yes – sometimes a particular judge might make a decision I disagree with.  But on balance, judges have to deal with the system and legal framework they’re given.  They don’t get to make it up or call their own shots to the extent many critics here mistakenly believe they can.  

  • Don May 23, 2022 (9:12 am)

    The rise in crime is related to the disparity in wealth. It’s been this way since the beginning of time.  It has nothing to do with cops. Throwing more cops at a problem doesn’t fix it.  I think we should be defunding police and spending more money on social programs and gang deterrent programs. Not more cops.

    • Auntie May 23, 2022 (9:57 am)

      Although diversion programs sound like a good idea, people have to be actually willing to participate. Unlike in L.A.: Given chance to avoid jail and criminal charges, mentally ill, addicted and homeless people in LA pass | The Seattle Times 

      • WS Res May 23, 2022 (10:36 pm)

        How fascinating. A story about why people decline diversion programs that interviews just dozens of people who have themselves declined… no, I’m sorry, I’m getting a correction just now… interviews ZERO people who have themselves declined to enter said programs.  So obviously a very well-reported, reliable accounting.

  • Jay May 23, 2022 (10:09 am)

    It’s more driven by extreme poverty. The circumstances that drive people to crime are stronger than the consequences for committing them. You don’t really see lower crime in developing countries with draconian laws.

• Mickymse May 23, 2022 (8:36 am)

  I mean, if Lisa isn’t strapping on a gun belt and patrolling our neighborhood herself I just don’t know what good she is doing as our City Councilmember… Why is she wasting so much time working on unimportant issues like fair wages and benefits for working people in our city instead of addressing crime and homelessness?

• SeattleS May 23, 2022 (10:31 am)

  Umm.  Why can’t she work on both?  If people don’t feel safe in their neighborhoods, they will be much less willing to support other issues–like, progressive and positive change.  If she/we want to make real progressive change, we can’t neglect how safe people feel walking in their neighborhood or sitting on their front porch. Safety trumps a lot of things.

• Don May 23, 2022 (11:37 am)

  A little ironic seeing these new houses/developments in the pictures in the background along with the older houses of people who lived in the neighborhood forever. It’s a clear metaphor. Poor existing residents getting pushed out and gentrification leads to gang and violence. There are studies on this.

  • NO GANG VIOLENCE May 23, 2022 (12:31 pm)

    Please share studies that suggest this in your comment. A quick google search tells me that Gentrification actually reduces crimes/violence because illegal activity that was once considered normal, is now suspicious to newcomers, and now more likely to have law enforcement intervene.The only Study I can easily find that supports your comment is from a West Virginia University paper that makes a “casual theory” suggesting:“Exogenous shocks, such as gentrification, keep viable territory in a state of constant flux, preventing sustained cooperation between these illegal actors.”That’s ridiculous to think that allowing Gang Territories to flourish is the best idea to prevent what happenedhttps://researchrepository.wvu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1002&context=grad_scholarship

    • Don May 23, 2022 (2:29 pm)

      Flourish? Okay you’re just making stuff, I never said flourish. And a quick Google search shows the opposite of what you say. up.  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/the-criminalization-of-gentrifying-neighborhoods/548837/ this does a good job explaining it. Been a minute since I heard from any “gentrification is good actually” crowd. Your link is a college student’s paper. Not a strong one either.

  • Bill May 23, 2022 (12:40 pm)

    Excellent points, Don. Spot on. 

• Ms. Sparkles May 23, 2022 (1:51 pm)

  Does the (apparently) targeted residence have suspicions on why they were targeted?  If it wasn’t totally random, then hopefully that’s a good place to start in trying to find the shooter

• NO GANGE VIOLENCE May 23, 2022 (3:12 pm)

  Flourish is a little zealous I have to admit.  Any gang territory in my neighborhood is a big no for me.Im genuinely curious of the comment of crime going up in gentrified neighborhoods because that statistic did not seem inline with where I personally live (North Delridge) So I did a quick search and provided what I found. The article you link by the Atlantic is actually the one I read thinking there would be data supporting that… Nothing about more crime, just more reporting of crime, resulting in more Police Presence. I don’t want more crime and lawlessness creating dangerous situation like what occurred yesterday, and I hope my neighbors also have the same mindset. 

• marcus May 23, 2022 (4:15 pm)

  ahh yes, here we go again.  The Seattle liberials, which pretty much is all of us because we live in Seattle.  No, I think the better word is anarchists-just the opposite of the far right fascists.   The Seattle Anarchists do not want more police because well they are bad and for the people who work hard, well we should accept crime because we caused it.  The tide is finally turning but it will take a little while longer and a few more election cycles.  Boy I would love to have good ole liberal Seattle back again and have the Seattle Anarchists voices fade away to Portland or Olympia.  If this get published this blog will be hearing from them.  Cannot wait to read the emotional outburst.   

  • Kevin on Delridge May 23, 2022 (6:25 pm)

    Considering you have to misrepresent the position of the “anarchists” to even have a semblance of an argument I think we’ll be alright.

    Hope you didn’t hurt yourself too much, I’m sure it was hard to crank that one out.

  • JM May 26, 2022 (5:51 am)

    Well, at least you’re not overdramatic. 

• Pessoa May 24, 2022 (8:32 am)

  Though I agree with some sentiments here, at least partially, I am content to have fled both sides of the political spectrum.   Conservatives fall back on Horatio Algier myths, ignoring that the fact that very, very few fall into this category, and they also fail to see the inherent dangers of outsourcing their personal safety to a third party, law enforcement.   The left fails to see that remaking society means the exercise of authoritarianism which has significant trade-offs in terms of freedom on which our country was founded.   Both “prescriptions” are flawed.  When we begin looking around for someone to blame or hide behind – elected officials, Supreme Court judges – this usually corresponds with the decline of individual virtue in a society, and consequently a decline in society as a whole.    

  • Kevin on Delridge May 26, 2022 (10:09 pm)

    Of course we realize there is a level of authoritarianism, the dictatorship of the proletariat and all.

    The question is what kind of authority should be above all. The position of the actual left is generally that no one will be allowed to exploit another. A lot of other things but you get the point.

    Of course this requires, this requires a decent majority in society to agree of course. Today, being a 50/50 split with even smaller sun-factions, that isn’t happening today. And that indeed will cause us individual virtue, as you call it, declines along with society.

    Unfortunately, even many here, hold onto to an idea of society that is also authoritarian. One that holds some should be allowed to be exploited and willingly encourage a society ruled by skin color and economic status.

• Carl June 1, 2022 (6:05 pm)

  Stop relying on the institutions to protect you.  These criminals will stop when they stop seeing people as harmless sheep.  If we all get involved rather than complain, these problems curiously vanish.

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