West Seattle Crime Watch: North Admiral scare

This is just out of the WSB inbox, from Daphne, who wanted to alert others to what happened at her home near Hill/41st (map) a little while ago:

We were startled awake at 2 am to a banging and rumbling of our North Admiral house. After first checking on our children upstairs, I peeked out my son’s upstairs bedroom overlooking our shared driveway and garage to see a ball capped, white male, seemingly older, 50-ish, with hands in pockets leaning in at the opening to our open garage. His mannerism said he was just looking at something a friend might be pointing out, but his aggressive behavior at our basement door told me otherwise. My husband was downstairs and opened the back door yelling at him about what he was doing. The man sloppily stated he was looking for a gas cap he had lost and his girlfriend just left him. His car, a 4 door silver or blue, older model Honda type, was parked directly on the other side of the street. My husband told him to get off our property, he did and took off in his car on 41st. This man was either bold, ignoring the alarm monitoring signs posted, or just stupid. I’m guessing, just stupid. had been trying to kick the basement door in.

Earlier in the evening, as we were headed to bed, around 11 o’clock, we heard 4 car doors slam, we looked out the window to see a car matching the same description speed off out of Hill St. and south on 41st. He had returned after scoping out our house.

I called 911, they arrived quickly on our street (Hill) and then quickly sped away. They explained they had to respond to a fight at the Admiral Pub. They returned, made sure nothing on our property, nor, our neighbor’s property, was missing. They said they had nothing to go on at this point.

36 Replies to "West Seattle Crime Watch: North Admiral scare"

  • Scott C January 23, 2009 (5:34 am)

    G”Go ahead punk, make my day!”

  • Patsy January 23, 2009 (7:28 am)

    Our car was stolen from our carport sometime in the night on 53rd near Admiral.

  • Jim January 23, 2009 (7:58 am)

    This is why is value my right to bear arms.

  • amused January 23, 2009 (8:21 am)

    License #?

  • JoB January 23, 2009 (8:28 am)

    if you have an alarm to go with those signs, do you have a way to set off the alarm noise from inside?

    if not..you might want to get something that makes a lot of noise so you can trigger it if you hear someone.

    also, if you don’t have a dog that barks loudly, you can get a motion activated “dog”… add a large dog bowl outside and it does make them think twice.

    Just don’t open doors to shout at them.. you never know if they have a gun or how unstable they are…

    oh.. and keep a camera bedside… if you can see them, you can take a picture that will keep the police from citing you for nuisance alarms… and perhaps give them something they can use to identify them.

    i am glad this was nothing more than a scare.

  • RainyDay1235 January 23, 2009 (8:35 am)

    Motion sensor flood lights are a wonderful addition to every nook and cranny of your home. Quite surprised you didn’t call the cops when you spotted him downstairs. I agree, he could’ve been armed – and they might have been able to apprehend him for questioning at least.

  • TeresaP January 23, 2009 (9:08 am)

    I am with you Jim, if someone is attempting to get into my house, it will always be my assumption that I will be in danger.

    JoB – great advice, motion lights are awesome.

  • Happy Jak January 23, 2009 (10:08 am)

    I am a tofu eating, Obama voting, liberal West Seattlite and I agree with Jim 100%. Protecting one’s family from the unfortunate reality of crime is an excellent example a reason to keep and bear. I’m not advocating being a cowboy or anything but the use of force as a last resort. A home owner has the absolute right to self protection and some one kicking down your back door has abdicated a certain amount of genteel respect due people. Good people of all backgrounds should learn to protect themselves.

  • the_bridge_to_somewhere January 23, 2009 (10:30 am)

    Sounds like the SPD has West Seattle extremely well covered, such that a bar fight pulls the one officer in West Seattle off an attempted robbery case. Yikes.

    Let’s call this a missed opportunity.

  • annon January 23, 2009 (10:35 am)

    100% agree with Jim.

  • Jon January 23, 2009 (11:18 am)

    What are the state and city laws on gun ownership? Handguns? Shotguns? Not talking concealed weapons permits or anything. Just curious what folks are comfortably, sensibly allowed for home protection here.

  • snowlion January 23, 2009 (11:26 am)

    Word up, RainyDay – we installed a solar-powered motion light on the side of our house that is darkest. Fortunately we are in a very lighted, busy area of town, but the motion light is an excellent item, and if it’s solar-powered, no draw on your own electricity. My husband easily installed it on our rental house with a ladder. So far the only thing that has set it off is myself and the random raccoon, but better safe than sorry…
    Whomever mentioned the siren – if an alarm system is monitored, there is no way to set it off without alerting the monitoring station and risking a false alarm fee (I used to work for a home security company). If the system is NOT monitored, the only way to trigger it would be to either manually set it off at the keypad or to open a door or window while it is armed (depending on the arming level); and even then, the effectiveness would be debatable, especially with a detached carport – the sirens are almost always mounted on the inside of the house. But perhaps buying an air horn – the kind you use at sporting events – might be a cheaper, more useful alternative?
    The camera idea, while good, is not always ideal – that is the last thing I’m thinking about when we get a loud knock on our door (usually from solicitors).
    I would be interested to find out if there are any further parts to this story, but I think that they did the right thing by letting the people know that they could see them and were home. If this person does not have an interior siren (some systems don’t come with them), I might suggest obtaining one as part of the system – should be around the $100-$200 level to buy one new with install (depending on who your alarm company is), and those things are LOUD, like waking up the neighbors loud.
    Just some suggestions…

  • fiz January 23, 2009 (1:49 pm)

    The prowler stalking on a block near the bowling alley tore the motion sensor light off the bracket – and TOOK it.

  • Daphne January 23, 2009 (2:15 pm)

    Just an update after reading some of the comments.

    Yes, we have an interior siren/alarm.
    Yes, I was on the phone with the police immediately after realizing there was a man in the drive.
    No, I’m not an advocate of opening the door to a strange man who just tried to beat my basement door down, but after awakening from a hard slumber at 2AM, that’s what came to my husbands mind. I would have said “don’t do that”, but we were in different parts of the house assessing what the noise was.
    Yes, thank you for the camera idea…not enough time to grab it.
    Love the air horn idea!
    Motion lights are going up by the back gate/door/alley way A.S.A.P.! Just read the motion sensor light theft entry……we will still put one up, but that news is discouraging.
    There were marks on the basement exterior door supporting the assumption he was trying to kick the door in. There is a security bar on the inside of the door making it quite difficult to break open, so he was unsuccessful.
    License plate: The car was parallel parked across the street, in the dark,so the plate was not visible. I gave the police officer as much information as I could gather before the man left.
    Aftermath: I’m shaken up, out of sorts, but pleased I have an alarm and have more motivation to replace our bark-happy, family dog that died August of 2006.
    I, too, am disappointed the police officers abandoned what was happening here for a few blitzed yokels, willingly engaged in a brawl.

  • JH January 23, 2009 (2:17 pm)

    Was the garage supposed to be closed? Why was it open? I’m confused!

    It was a possible attempted burglary, not robbery. And I do think the bar fight took precedence. The burglary dude was gone-the bar fight was happening.

  • WSB January 23, 2009 (2:27 pm)

    Air horns are also good for scaring wildlife out of your attic. Data point.
    One thing I did want to say, having heard police policies explained many times in many venues: Something involving injury or potential threat to life DOES have to take precedence, regardless of whether it’s a bar fight or a thug beating up a little old lady. Any such situation involving violence could threaten not only those involved but also bystanders.
    If you have questions about it, or anything else re: local police, I will implore once again, as we do before this meeting every month, COME TO THE WEST SEATTLE CRIME PREVENTION COUNCIL MEETING(S) AND PUT YOUR QUESTIONS/CONCERNS DIRECTLY TO LOCAL POLICE.
    Last meeting, this past Tuesday, included not only Lt. Paulsen, who is #2 in command at the precinct, but also two Community Police Team officers and a Sgt. from burglary/theft. If they can’t answer your question on the spot, they will research and follow up with you by phone. These meetings are for ALL of West Seattle … and in addition, for the far south/southeast end, there is the White Center/South Delridge Community Safety Coalition, which we cover each month (still working on the report from last night; that group has reps in attendance from SPD and from King County Sheriff’s Office, since the area in question is shared by those departments).
    Back to the discussion … I just wanted to reiterate that, for those who might not be aware. And thanks again to Daphne for sharing her story, and quickly – we published it within an hour of receiving it – there are people reading this site even in the dead of night, and you never know when fast alerts might make a difference – TR

  • hutch January 23, 2009 (3:10 pm)

    If you get the motion lights high enough (out of reach of getting to them without a ladder) they won’t get stolen…broken maybe, but not stolen….barking dogs are good! You can also try dousing him with a bucket of water (from above if it can be done)…he probably needs a shower anyway. :) you can also probably buy a “million+ candle” hand-held spotlight (at Amazon or Cabelas or other online source)…shine that on him from your window and he’ll run!
    I don’t blame you for being shaken up…it’s a drag being violated.

  • d January 23, 2009 (3:22 pm)

    On my to do list: motion sensors for garage and patio and a air horn. Where does one get an air horn?

  • the_bridge_to_somewhere January 23, 2009 (3:28 pm)

    Umm, I think my point about the police was a little misunderstood — I wasn’t saying that a burglary should take priority over a bar fight, I was pointing out that at 2 am one would hope there are >1 patrolman/woman able to respond to simulateous issues. One might think it reasonable to have one police officer respond to the bar fight, and one the attempted burglary. . .

    I suppose I could show up to the next crime prevention meeting and tell the police this. But actually, I would be kind of freaked-out if this was news to the SPD. ;-)

  • d January 23, 2009 (3:58 pm)

    Found a mini air horn at Cabela’s for $23. It looks almost too cute to be a crime-fighting tool. :)

  • Michael January 23, 2009 (4:12 pm)

    I’m noticing a trend in these reports: the victim, while noticing the car, watching the suspect get in the car, and sometimes going even as far as confronting the suspect before he gets in the car…
    .
    …never thinks to just go over and look at the license number!
    .
    Just don’t be surprised that the police can’t do anything.

  • Daphne January 23, 2009 (4:32 pm)

    Garage: I have no explanation of why there is no door on the 1919c garage/carriage structure. That question goes to the previous owners, or possibly the original owners. It is scheduled to be pulled down and there is nothing of value inside other than a $6 kiddie pool and some extra lumber.

    I was not confused to hear the reasoning for the 2 patrol cars leaving to answering another call nor did it cross my mind to say anything about it. I was simply, and mildly, disappointed…..after the matter.

  • Daphne January 23, 2009 (4:43 pm)

    Putting myself between the man and his car, so that I might get across the street in time to get his license plate…..I have certainty any police officer would advise against that.

    Strange criticism, Michael.

    I think this forum is a good thing. We are a community looking out for each other. Why not alert others?

  • the_bridge_to_somewhere January 23, 2009 (4:53 pm)

    I think the conversation has become less about this specific crime and more about the general problem of this type of crime.

    It is very easy to think logically about what should be done in such a situation when it isn’t you, it isn’t 2am, and when it’s strictly hyopthetical on a blog — but I know from experience that these events are typically a) confusing such that you don’t know a crime is actually taking place in the first place, and b) scary and discomforting after you realize it was a criminal act.

    I’m sorry you had to go through this Daphne.

  • Daphne January 23, 2009 (5:07 pm)

    TBTS….you are the bridge to reason. I did not realize that my failure to purchase, and store bedside, those infrared night vision goggles with perpendicular relief reading capabilities, would put me up for such scrutiny. Thank you for your understanding.

  • steph January 23, 2009 (5:17 pm)

    re: the open garage – ANY accessible enclosed space that allows entry will be scoped out and used as a hiding place – even temporarily – by the alley rats who we’re all trying to keep an eye on.

    If the garage isn’t being used, board it up so folks can’t skulk in there to break down a stolen bike or hide away from neighborhood & police eyes.

  • Dave January 23, 2009 (6:26 pm)

    @Jon

    You can keep a shotgun in your home without a permit, It will take about a week for the store to run a check on you. I keep mine in what the police call a “cruiser carry” fully loaded with a shell unchambered. So if I hear a bump in the night I can grab it, chamber a shell and am ready to go without any chance it will fire accidentally. Aim for the legs!

  • datamuse January 23, 2009 (6:31 pm)

    So if I hear a bump in the night I can grab it, chamber a shell and am ready to go without any chance it will fire accidentally. Aim for the legs!

    Does one really need to AIM a shotgun? (Just kidding.)

    Added bonus, the mere SOUND of a shell being chambered can be an excellent deterrent.

  • ellenater January 23, 2009 (11:38 pm)

    I’m with bridge… you critical people should be ashamed! laaaaaaame! baaaaaaad people!

    Daphne,
    I’m sorry. I hope this never happens to you again and thank-you for sharing it with the rest of us.

  • alkigirl January 24, 2009 (12:58 am)

    Daphne,
    Thinking of you and your family and sending warm wishes. Thanks to the folks who posted practical ideas. Our home also backs onto an alley. For sure the priority will be raised for getting floodlights installed. Now, to find the most reliable electrician!

  • homesweethome January 24, 2009 (12:47 pm)

    To all those with great suggestions on safety – thanks and thanks for Daphne for reporting. I too will be running out to get night vision goggles so I can more accurately report crimes in the neighborhood. Neighborhood block watches are a great idea – at none of my block watch meetings have I ever heard an officer advise me to keep a loaded weapon in the house.

  • Highland Park resident January 24, 2009 (4:42 pm)

    I work for a local PD and have done my stint as a 911 call receiver. Officers do a very difficult job–and it’s hard to please everyone, especially when people are excited or upset. That being said, all police departments operate on these priorities– Crimes (e.g. “bar fights”) against people-where someone could get injured–always take precedence over crimes against property. Crimes in progress (e.g. a “bar fight”) always take precedence over crimes that are not in progress. You should always call 911 when something happens–even something just suspicious–because it gets recorded at the police department and patrol emphases are scheduled based on crimes reported. Car prowls have become so common that many people fail to report them, especially if their insurance won’t cover the damage. This is a mistake–the police aren’t aware of crime that isn’t reported. When I worked 911 I was always surprised at the number of victims that reported not closing/locking their cars or garages (or even houses!). Lock up and don’t leave valuables in plain view–that’s best advice to avoid a car prowl/break-in.

  • WSWAGuy January 24, 2009 (5:09 pm)

    Here is something to consider if you park in dark alleys. Many years ago I had Seattle City Light install a regular streetlight on an existing utility pole directly across the alley from where I park. It gives great light and is dependable. It adds $16.76 to my bill every two months. You too can get your own street light.

  • WSWAGuy January 24, 2009 (5:19 pm)

    Of course you need a Seattle City Light utility pole nearby…

  • shane January 24, 2009 (9:58 pm)

    I love the camera idea. It occurs to me that you can purchase digital “wildlife cameras” that are motion triggered. Maybe a good idea for the home entries.

  • TonyM January 29, 2009 (7:20 pm)

    Why are all you WSites so trigger happy? Do you really want to have the death of some retard on your conscience? Do you think you have what it takes to kill a person for being on your property? Or does it just make you feel tough to blog about it?

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