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HMCRich…

“the criminal front group Media Matters”

did you really write that?

What is criminal about a group that fact checks what the media writes?

shouldn’t someone fact check what the media writes?

“They have vowed the destruction of FOX News and some other outlets. Therefore they are biased, “

But Rich.. the truth does matter and FOX news has taken the ruling that they are under no obligation to be truthful in their news broadcasts to heart.

they would only biased If media matters ignored all other sources of less than truthful reporting… but that is not the case.

It is not biased to tell the truth about FOX new’s reporting… whether they have become your news program of choice or not.

beyond that… equating Breitbart with Rather?

One of these thing is not like the other.

Breitbart admits he didn’t fact check and says so what… and refuses to release the source material.

Rather said he did fact check and might have been misled.. released the source material and he was fired.

so from that are we to assume that conservative journalist who don’t fact check are good as long as they are telling you what you want to know..

but liberal journalists who don’t do so thoroughly enough or whose source’s recant are bad?

I was close enough to Bush’s Texas good old boy crowd to think Dan was right… the story was sound even though the “documents” it was based on weren’t…

but there is absolutely no question that the story Breitbart told was false..

and if he had the source documents..

he knew it was false.

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HMCRich…

“Is the person who wants the abortion doing it for the good of the baby or the good of the person? If the woman who is pregnant knows she cannot raise the child properly, then is she doing the proper thing in terminating the pregnancy? But the baby (fetus JoB) is not at fault. But it doesn’t get a say (or is not protected by law) and then is terminated.

It is a tough question.”

One simple question.

If this is about the good of the baby that fetus may or may not become…

then why does concern for the living child evaporate the moment it is born?

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Redblack: Actually, there’s some evidence that Sanger was against abortion, and one of the reasons she favored birth control was to keep abortion from happening.

My point in mentioning that in the first place is that I’m not sure what Sanger’s beliefs, whatever they may have been, have to do with Planned Parenthood as it exists today. It’s a bit like some Republicans citing that Lincoln was of their party to argue that the party isn’t racist. Whether it is or not is debatable but using Lincoln as an example sorta ignores the century-plus of history that’s occurred since then.

The argument that PP’s bookkeeping can’t be good enough to have ensured that no federal money has gone to abortions is a far cry from making a categorical statement that it has. Portions of my own institutional budget have to be spent on certain things and not on others as a condition of funding, and ensuring that this happens is really not that hard. I work for a much smaller institution than Planned Parenthood, but still.

I do not see how whether the D.C. government has funded abortions is material to your point, HMCRich. The D.C. government != the federal government.

I still hold that Title X funding of abortions should not be paid by US citizens. In fact I disagree with a lot of foreign aid.

Uh, HMCRich? Title X does not fund abortions. By definition. Unless you’re right and PP’s bookkeeping really is that sloppy, but nobody making that claim has produced credible evidence.

My point being, many of the people who are arguing for defunding Planned Parenthood on the basis that the organization performs abortions are either really and truly opposed to family planning services on principle, but know that this view is too unpopular for them to publicly embrace it, OR are so opposed to abortion that they are willing to exponentially increase the suffering of human beings who are NOT seeking abortions in order to prevent the possibility that someone, somewhere, might get a few cents of one of their tax dollars toward a legal medical procedure.

…you do realize that my comment about food was a metaphor, right? Right. Moving on…

One thing you didn’t comment on was just how much difficulty in obtaining family planning services is acceptable. You might be interested in this editorial in today’s News Tribune, written by an acquaintance of mine, who had to drive 200 miles in order to have a routine exam done, and then only because she was experiencing troubling symptoms. That’s an exam that half the country’s population should be having every year. How many people aren’t because they don’t have access to a healthcare service that will perform it? How many fewer will if Planned Parenthood is forced to close clinics due to funding cuts?

I don’t know, but neither do you. And, I assert, neither do most if not all of the people arguing that PP’s funding should be cut.

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