Why are you a Republican?

[JanS]

give it a rest….charity care sometimes, more often than not, really helps people who have lots less than you. There are income guidelines, you know. Or do you know? I sometimes wonder if you have any effing clue as to what you’re really talking about.

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[JoB]

come on hoop

do you really believe that?

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[hooper1961]

my wife works in a hospital and tells me about all the losers (drug addicts in particular) who are getting care due to there own negligence. why should taxpayers or others be forced to pay for these people?

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[dyn99]

You guys seriously need to stop responding to Hoop’s comments regarding healthcare for the poor.

He’s a heartless bastard. We’ve established that through much litigation.

Ignore his future comments on this issue. Everyone will be happier, and when he realizes that no one is listening, maybe he’ll stop talking.

Then there will be a bit less heartlessness in this world. Which is what all the rest of us want.

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[dyn99]

You’re reinforcing my point, Hoop.

Telling the rest of us how you shouldn’t have to pay for the most vulnerable people in society by definition makes you heartless.

You care more about your own pocketbook than you do about others’ wellbeing, or even in some cases, ability to live.

You are welcome to say whatever you want to me. I really don’t care, won’t take it personally, and you’re not going to hurt my feelings.

But kicking the poor, ill, and helpless while they’re down? That is truly what makes you heartless.

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[hooper1961]

and many of the so called vulnerable made bad choices and i do indeed have no sympathy for them.

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[dyn99]

And others of them were both with a disability, or their families brought them into the country illegally without their consent, or they were abused as children, or have a mental illness, or have bad genetics, or they had a bad doctor that overprescribed pain meds that caused them to get hooked on a substance.

The moral of the story, Hoop? You don’t know shit about them. So stop judging until you’ve spent a week or a month or a year walking in their shoes.

If you want to be an isolationist, go dig a hole and live in it.

If you want to live in a society with others, there are prices to pay. Ensuring that society’s most vulnerable are cared for in a reasonable manner is one of those costs.

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[JanS]

hooper…I thought your wife died…or is the post above correct? that she works in a hospital…? which one? local? I want to avoid if, if she has your temperment. I would rather go to a hospital where the people are caring, helpful, healing…not judgmental…

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[hooper1961]

i remarried

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[JanS]

aha…guess there’s hope for me , then – lol..

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[WSB]

Two exceptionally rude, rule-breaking comments deleted so far in this thread. Repeated rule-breaking is considered by us to be a declaration that you have no respect for site management or your fellow forum members and therefore are no longer interested in being able to participate in discussion. – TR

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[HMC Rich]

I love being a Republican. A Conservative Republican. We take personal responsibility of our actions. We are charitable. We believe in Liberty and the God Given rights we inherit as humans to Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of Happiness.

The emotional Left Wing responses hit a brick wall mostly with me.

Ben Franklin did not believe in an entitlement policy. He knew it would corrupt.

That is to say that we cannot ignore people who are less fortunate. There is a balance.

We believe in Peace Through Strength. Weaklings fall under tyranny. We don’t however always agree with the Military action that has been ordered but we also support our fellow citizens who are pawns in the military and part of the government. We don’t want war. We don’t want conflict.

We believe in the rights of the individual. That is why we are pro-life. The unborn child has no rights. It can’t speak for itself. The adult needs to take personal responsibility.

The Republican (and Christian Right) promote Christianity and the ethics/morality that this nation has grown with. We realize people are not perfect but that standards are necessary. Good standards and morality strengthen the community.

We judge people. We support Martin Luther King’s statement about judging people by the content of their character and not their skin color.

Remember, just like the Democratic party is made up of a variety of coalition’s, so is the Republican party. We have moderates. The Christian Right, conservatives, and a whole bunch of people who are just Republicans.

We know there needs to be laws and taxes. We also know that there are non-conformists and miscreants. Even now in Chicago, which has the most stringent gun laws in the country, 500 people have been killed by guns. Republicans know the government can build infrastructure and help a lot of people but it also has some serious limitations.

We Republicans like local and state government better than a large Federal Government. We fear a large centralized government because they take away more and more personal rights and freedom, and they take more and more taxes to feed the government. We prefer to keep more and we trust capitalism. We want regulations that are needed but we do not want excessive regulation.

If anyone really wants to know what a conservative is, read Mark Levin’s book Liberty and Tyranny.

The Laffer curve works. Democrats just cannot quit spending. That is why we will possibly go over the cliff. Democrats have promised since Reagan to curb spending and have not. You cannot argue that. Clinton said the era of big government was over, and he was being pushed by the Republican led Congress. He did get a bump in tax rates but the Reagan tax cuts primed the pump for successful business growth and revenues.

It is not a perfect party by any means. A conservative is not automatically a Republican. But a conservative is NOT a Democrat.

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[redblack]

first of all, gingrich did not cut spending, HMC. i’ve cited this before.

to your other point, being “just a republican,” you take responsibility for the whole family, wingnuts and all. they are your brothers and sisters and by claiming party affiliation, you’re all pulling the same oars.

I love being a Republican. A Conservative Republican. We take personal responsibility of our actions.

yeah, until someone hands you the bill for the unnecessary war you started. then personal responsibility flies right out the window.

how about when people tell you to disavow the NRA and the gun nuts who also give money to the republican party? and after yet another massacre in the white suburbs, insist that taxpayers cough up for armed guards instead of legislation that would take ease and anonymity out of gun sales. where’s the personal responsibility there?

how about complaining about how everything in socialist america is falling apart and then having the gall to gripe about taxes? yes, true personal responsibility.

when are you going to take personal responsibility for the bankrupt ideologies of your party?

republicans use the words “personal responsibility” simply to jab at everyone who’s poor enough to need government assistance. and it’s painfully obvious to the rest of us that you have no idea just how poor this country is if you think that charity can fix it.

kind of like you seem to have no idea just how rich and powerful a small number of people in this country have become. here’s a hint: we threw off aristocracy and monarchy about 240 years ago, and they’re trying to reinstate it.

it ain’t the commies you should be worried about. it’s your own party.

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[junction hero]

Republican’s need to get off the religious and abortion stance. It is a woman’s right to have and abort a fetus if she desires to do so. Its probably a good idea anyways since most women today can’t even afford to raise a kid. Making a guy pay for your kid out of wedlock is absolutely selfish. Men don’t want to have kids. But they are forced into paying child support because it is ultimately the woman’s decision to have the child. The man has no choice. Its whatever she decides on her own and its wrong! I’m agnostic so I don’t like it when religion and politics are in the same sentence. You lose all credibilty with me when you start talking about God. Keep the bull sht religious talk out of politics. It has no business being there.

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[montanapup]

junction hero = TROLL

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[JanS]

I resent, Rich, that you imply that those on the other side of the coin (you know, those evil Dem. libs), do not take personal responsibility for our actions, are not charitable, do not believe in Liberty and the rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness.

Do not paint with a broad brush, and maybe we’d get somewhere…it’s not a damned contest…” na-na-na-na-na, I do more than you do, I believe better than you do” . It’s silly. Remove the labels, and what you have is people. Sit in a crowded room sometime and see whether yu can pick out the ones who take personal responsibility and those who don’t, try to see who is a conservative repub, and who is on the opposite side…bet you can’t. But your words sure did sound good..and that’s all they were – words…

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[junction hero]

So Monatanapup.. What is a Troll? Is it one who doesn’t side with the rest of the thread? Is it one who speaks its mind but you don’t like its opinion’s? Please tell me what a Troll really is.

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[JanS]

Sorry for responding to a troll….but, Junction…men don’t want to have kids? But they do want to have that sex, don’t they? Put a sock on it, or don’t do it. If you do the deed, you pay for the consequences. Oh, she tempted you, and you couldn’t control yourself? Give me an effing break. Yes, men who father children out of wedlock are as guilty as the woman who has a child out of wedlock…so, keep it in your pants, and there will be no child…

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[junction hero]

Oh… and women want to have sex too? Keep it closed shut. Lordy!

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[JanS]

Junctionhero..from the Urban Dictionary:

Urban Dictionary: troll

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trollShare “One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.”

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[junction hero]

Ok… Jan women are right and men should keep it in there pants all the time…Yes yes yes yes! Men are nothing but piggy piggy pigs! Listen men keep it in your pants Jan said! I absolutely agree with Jan.. She smart and I am dumb…:)

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[JanS]

you said it, I didn’t, junction…

so you’re an advocate of men having sex with any number of women, getting any number of women preggers, and then abdicating responsibility for any number of children running around out there in the world. Is that what you’re saying? You just want to leave that birth control thingy up to women, and it’s no fault of yours if they want to have unprotected sex? Is that what you’re saying? Help me to understand.

I never said men were pigs..I said…if you truly don’t want children, either discuss birth control with the woman, use a condom, or don’t have sex…

and I didn’t say you were dumb…you did..

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[dyn99]

And that is the exact lack of personal responsibility Smitty and HMC Rich are talking about.

Redblack, you have a very valid point too in regards to the state of the county and the inability of private non profits to solve the problems of the country.

Junction hero: you are officially a tool.

There, somebody said it. You know that you were all thinking it.

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[JoB]

HMCRich..

you believe in personal responsibility…

but you want women to take responsibility for the consequences of decisions you think you should be able to make for them…

regardless of their age

or whether they were the victim of rape

however you define rape.

in fact, you seem to support policies that make decisions for just about every group of people that you consider to be lacking in personal responsibility…

without being willing to take on any personal responsibility for those decisions

i believe in personal responsibility

my decision.. my responsibility

your decision.. your responsibility

our decision.. our responsibility

there is nothing emotional about that

but I have to say..

i find the life liberty and pursuit of happiness argument you make highly emotional.

life liberty and happiness for whom?

under what circumstances?

because i think that is the real crux of the political divide…

you (as a republican) would decide who can and can’t be granted rights based on your personal pejoratives

while i (as a democrat) think those rights should be granted to all citizens equally…

and where rights are restricted, they should be restricted equally

nothing emotional about that either.

I have to ask, why would a group of people who don’t want conflict or war cling so tightly to their “god given” right to bear arms ..

especially the ever popular assault rifle?

What exactly do they think those assault rifles are manufactured to do?

You don’t hunt game with them unless the game you are hunting is people…

hunting people is .. well.. antisocial at best.

condoning the right of other people to hunt people is a direct cause of conflict.

the argument that more guns makes people safer is right in line with the one that speaks of Peace from a position of strength…

You do realize that is the basic rationalization of a bully, don’t you? Might makes right. I will give you peace (leave you alone) as long as you do what i want you to do when i want you to do it the way i want you to do it?

And this is supposed to be the Christian way?

I was raised Christian… and i have always been taught that Jesus threw the moneylenders out of the temple…

The Republican party has not only invited them in but asked them to write policy.

and i don’t remember any talk about “balance” when Jesus advocated ministering to the poor… or any litmus test Jesus used to decide who was an wasn’t worthy of his care…

I mention Jesus specifically… because the New Testament is supposed to be what makes Christians … Christian.

show me where Jesus advocated taking from the poor to give to the rich.

Is making the poor and elderly make a choice between eating and paying the bills 3 months out of the year as the price for even negotiating on ending tax cuts for the wealthy that were never designed to be permanent in the first place your idea of balance?

If i thought that kind of balance mattered, as a Christian, it still would not be mine.

Here is the thing Rich.

I am quite frankly tired of hearing emotional arguments by Republicans who base their political beliefs on the perversion of core American values.

The problem with the way Republicans are currently interpreting American values is that they have forgotten that liberty to all means all …

not just the chosen few.

I don’t choose to speak about my faith much Rich. I share it though example.. living it…

but today .. in this season.. I am making an exception.

I am really quite ashamed of what is being promoted in the name of Christianity by a bunch of self serving political hacks…

and it’s time it stopped.

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[dyn99]

Nice post, JoB. I really wish all of the people who claimed to be die-hard Republicans because of their religious beliefs would re-read the gospels.

Last time I read them, Jesus hung out with lepers and hookers, healed the sick and fought against injustice. And I am not talking about unjustly high tax rates…

In fact, I don’t remember Jesus addressing tax rates or gun ownership in the gospels. Nor do I remember Jesus telling the rich that they had the right to keep all of their money to themselves.

I do remember Jesus saying something about much being expected of those to whom much was given.

I suspect Jesus would have some choice words for all of our politicians.

“Pharisee” would be one of them, and I believe would be directed at a number of Republicans who claim to do a lot of things in “his” name.

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