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February 29, 2012 at 5:02 am #749264
metrognomeParticipantaccording to most Republicans, Dubya was never president. Apparently, it was mass hypnosis or a figment of our imagination or something.
February 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm #749265
kootchmanMemberMetro… fun but dumb. Obama was mixing it up with the common folk at a 30K per plate dinner in Medina and Clyde Hill? Ha ha ha !!
You live in a liberal bubble… outside the liberal enclaves… liberals have NO CLUE how incensed American is at this president. We are laughing at how how hard the liberal media is trying to spin whole cloth from nothing. Hell honey… we red necks see nothing wrong with owning 8 or 9 cars… long as some of em are rebuilt 4 wheel drive trucks …. and a couple are probably homes for some hunting dogs.. or need parts or are used for parts…. when he is done with those Cadillacs… who do you think buys em used?
Park em the front yard,
Park em on the side
Let yer neighbors see em, side by side
February 29, 2012 at 12:22 pm #749266
kootchmanMemberSmitty… don’t forget the shopping trip to Spain… that was a doozy… Laura Bush never did that to us!!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20012789-503544.html
Andrea Tantaros has penned a scorching editorial for the New York Daily News deeming First Lady Michelle Obama a “modern-day Marie Antoinette” for her vacation in Spain with her daughter.
“The First Lady is spending the next few days in a five-star hotel on the chic Costa del Sol in southern Spain with 40 of her ‘closest friends,'” Tantaros writes, pointing to a CNN report that Michelle Obama and her group are expected to occupy 60 to 70 rooms. “Not exactly what one would call cutting back in troubled times.”
“Michelle Obama seems more like a modern-day Marie Antoinette – the French queen who spent extravagantly on clothes and jewels without a thought for her subjects’ plight – than an average mother of two,” she writes. “… I don’t begrudge anyone rest and relaxation when they work hard. We all need downtime – the First Family included. It’s the extravagance of Michelle Obama’s trip and glitzy destination contrasted with President Obama’s demonization of the rich that smacks of hypocrisy and perpetuates a disconnect between the country and its leaders.”
Before returning to Washington, Mrs. Obama and Sasha on Sunday flew to the island of Majorca to lunch with Spain’s King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia at their summer palace.
At least the Romney’s are spending their money… the Obama’s spend ours. I am guessing she was getting pointers on how to crash a Socialist economy and still sell it to the people… or how to live in a post socialist country with an 18 per cent unemplyment rate,
February 29, 2012 at 1:41 pm #749267
dobroParticipantIt must be getting pretty tough for the wingnuts to realize they are in for 4 more years of President Obama (that’s what I like to call him). I guess the “liberals” in their bubble are the only ones that can recognize the clown car of failure that is the Repub candidacy. Oh, and the media.
February 29, 2012 at 1:59 pm #749268
redblackParticipant“liberal bubble.” LOL
yeah, it’s called an “urban area.” maybe you’ve seen one. it has people in it.
the only people who are incensed at this president are the welfare-sucking red states and counties. and they don’t have a clue what they’re mad about.
they still have their guns. the military is still kicking ass for the good ole USA. NASCAR preempts “house” on monday night. meth is still cooking in the winnebago out back. wall street is still making it hand over fist. taxes are still low. hey! and we’re now deporting more illegal immigrants! all that stuff should make them happy, right?
then “the free market” takes their jobs, asks for taxpayer-funded bailouts, and jacks up the price of everything. “gotta be that muslim president again!”
cadbury is right on the money. none of the shortcomings that you criticize in barack hussein obama bothered you when a republican exhibited them. you ddidn’t care about the deficit or the debt, or war, or government intrusion into privacy, or gitmo, or gas prices… none of it.
February 29, 2012 at 2:03 pm #749269
redblackParticipantbut back to that snooty creep that’s running for GOP nominee… i think republicans are jealous at the size of willard (that’s his name) romney’s photo-op donation when compared to obama’s $35,000 per plate dinner.
and obama went right into the republican vipers’ nests of clyde hill and medina and still came away with bags of cash.
now that’s funny.
and it’s smart business, don’t ya think, kootch? if you’re trying to beat a few millionaires who are trying to take your job, you don’t go to the central district and give a pep rally. you go to clyde hill, lay down a good rope-a-dope, and raise some serious campaign dough.
February 29, 2012 at 3:27 pm #749270
kootchmanMemberThats Demo country redblack. Here’s how it works.. in a the very classic white liberal tradition. Espouse liberal causes, do so in a way that affirms your cultural superiority. Make social causes a soiree’. Hire a few dark skinned caterers…. it’s also good for your kids they don’t see many where they go to school. Rope a dope eh? It’s a shuck and jive. But heck.. he’s your man… I see in the national polls our snooty creep is now outpolling Barack Hussein Obama.
Just to let ya know what is going on out of the boundries of King County… especially JoB
64% Think Budget Cuts Should Be Considered in Every Government Program
In a possible 2012 matchup, Mitt Romney earns 45% of the vote, while the president attracts 44%. If Rick Santorum is the Republican nominee, the president leads by three, 46% to 43%.. a
(almost back to any generic republican wins… but Romney has erased the 2 point lead Obama held on the 14th.. and we are in primaries still…
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 25% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -15
Tis a long way to go yet…. but… it’s starting to look a lot like Christmas .. every where I go…..remember anger turns out voters…
February 29, 2012 at 4:37 pm #749271
DBPMemberkootchman (post #7) is basically right.
By the time most Democratic politicians hit the big time, they are no more “in touch” with the little guy than your average Republican politician is. However, in Obama’s case, there is still one important difference between him and Romney.
See . . . Romney is still touting the American myth of “work hard, play by the rules, and you’ll get ahead,” while Obama has pretty much given up on that — if he ever believed it.
Yes, Obama is now one of the elite, just like Romney. But at least Obama has the character to own to that. When Obama talks to the American people, he says: “You and I are not alike. I’ve got more money, so I should be paying a greater share in taxes.”
Romney, on the other hand, is still doing the aw-shucks shuffle. His message is: “Hey, I’m just like the rest of you . . . except that I’ve got more money. But you can be rich like me — as long as we join together to keep government out of our pockets.”
It’s not Romney’s wealth that I despise. It’s this fraud he’s trying to perpetrate on America by asking poor people to identify with him.
February 29, 2012 at 5:14 pm #749272
JanSParticipantkootch…your statistic “64% Think Budget Cuts Should Be Considered in Every Government Program”
so what do your statistics show about what percentage of Americans want taxes to be raised on the wealthy?
February 29, 2012 at 5:51 pm #749273
kootchmanMemberNo.. that wasn’t the point I was trying to make. The point was most Americans believe that cutting the budget is inherently necessary. I combination with raising taxes… to reduce budget deficits… I could support that in any candidate, including Mitt… as long as it wasn’t some phony thing like cutting a future expense and then calling it a budget cut. Wayyyy back when it was released…. (I am wiling to take a bitter pill or two).. as in the Simpson Bowles Presidential Commission which both parties were glad to see die. It raised taxes and cut spending… since neither party liked it.. Pelosi called it dead on arrival and when she got swept out of office our conservative idealogues didn’t like the raise taxes portion … since both hated it .. it must have had merit.
February 29, 2012 at 6:03 pm #749274
kootchmanMemberJan and JoB… I thought this was an interesting set of data.. heck redblack even you might enjoy it. You all LOVE effective tax rates so let’s have a look see and why Obama is in Clyde Hill and Medina.
You scream at tax breaks for big oil. OK…
The big Obama donors are.. high techies (Gates, Jobs, etc) the telecomms swamped him with money in 2008, and Big Pharma is going to make out like a bandito in Obamacare.
Before you scream at big oil…. which pays the highest effective tax rates as an industry…. why lookee here!!!!!
Seems “big oil” is a big taxpayer…. redblack… see why he is in Medina and Clyde Hill now? The biggest winners in Obamacare are the lowest effective tax rate corporations… wadda surprise.
February 29, 2012 at 6:15 pm #749275
kootchmanMemberdobro… pure fantasy… you aren’t reading the poll numbers. Our wack jobs are like your wack jobs…. and they are our respective bases..appease them we will. If we can peel off a segment or two so much the better… but it is the independents that are the swing votes… remember this president did NOT get a 50% popularity vote despite a horrific 4 years of Bush…. I had written off Republicans after 2008 as a dead species. Even before he had his coming out, at the height of optimism, he didn’t get a majority..now that we have had 3 years of Hopped Up Hope and Change…ya think he is more popular?!!! I see that at least one part of Hope and Change is alive… your Hope. The polls are not supporting your hope thing though. Thank god independents as a demographic group are the best educated. Slogans won’t cut it with them. They actually analyze more so than the devotees. Either party. Urban and contained… redblack.
March 1, 2012 at 2:08 pm #749276
redblackParticipantDP: very well-said.
kootch: from your article:
Young industries tend to be plowing more of their revenues into research and equipment and other kinds of spending that the government rewards with tax breaks.
obama has said that this was his goal: to incentivize high-tech.
and big oil’s “effective” tax rate is before their subsidy, which is not a tax incentive.
anyway, why not? big oil should be paying through the nose. they’re taking our collective natural resource, pulling it out of the ground, refining it, then selling it back to us.
in alaska, that bastion of marxist socialism, big oil has to pay the citizens of the state for that privilege. you talk to an alaskan about taking his oil stipend away from the poor, downtrodden corporation, you’re likely to walk away with your teeth in your hand instead of in your mouth.
big oil is also still making record profits. why? because the economy is starting to move.
and you hate that, don’t you?
by the way, there’s a difference between considering and enacting budget cuts. the trickle down/teabagger mentality is to tax an axe to everything, which is pretty stupid, selfish, and lazy.
most people don’t think about government that way. (hey, if you can use half-baked platitudes, so can i.)
March 1, 2012 at 2:21 pm #749277
redblackParticipantahh, then there’s your rasmussen poll numbers.
i don’t “strongly approve” of obama’s performance thus far. how about just “approve” or “somewhat approve?” maybe even “somewhat disapprove.” see, there are a lot of dems who don’t “strongly approve” because obama hasn’t cut far enough left or because he has catered to big money a little too much. but they will most likely vote for him anyway, because the alternative is too creepy to think about.
your mistake is thinking that dems think like republicans. because what your poll tells me is that – based solely on approval ratings, mind you, and not some kind of presidential straw poll – the 40% who strongly disapprove will vote for the republican or some third-party wingnut, like a larouche. about 50% will vote for obama. leaving a 10% swing vote in there who comprise your independents.
we can revisit this in november. if i’m wrong, i’ll leave you a couple in the well at the west seattle establishment of your choice.
but i think that your pontifications about how teeth-gnashingly, garment-renderingly upset the average american is at obama – and democrats in general – is a lot of hot air blowing from a big, flapping leak.
March 1, 2012 at 3:48 pm #749278
JoBParticipantkootch…
LOL… Medina and Clyde Hill are demo country?
I realize it has been a few years since i lived in Minnesota.. but i don’t think things can have changed that much.
The newsletters i still get from actual democrats in Minnesota don’t indicate that they have…
Medina is about as much democrat territory as that little city across the lake from us that houses Microsoft….
I am sure that there are democrats living within the physical boundaries of Medina… I happen to know a couple.. but demo country?
Not where you can raise that kind of money.
business is business kootch.
even republicans are hedging their bets.
March 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm #749279
casabobaMemberMarch 1, 2012 at 4:13 pm #749280
kootchmanMemberHa ha ha ha ha…. good try redblack… Apple has a market cap of almost 600 billion this morning…. MS around 260 billion… why even the Devine Ms. Job and YOU were crying about offshore retained earnings. From both of those behemoths. Young? ATT is over 100 years old.. and big Pharma? Dude it’s the trifecta of Democratic campaign contributors… that’s why they have special favors. We aren’t attracting or need to attract Democrats en masse…. we… and the Democrats, have to attract the Independents and carry the majority of 7 swing states. At 18 per cent of the electorate, as a voting constituent,,,,, the are larger in size and scope then ever in our electoral history as a voting bloc. even “moderately disapprove ” won’t get their vote. They do have an option. Willy is prepping the ground to get Keystone underway…so Obama “looks” like he was overridden by a few Maverick Dem senators… trying to preserve his green jeans… housing fell again 4 per cent, the economy fell from 2.9 to 1.7 in 2011, real unemployment is still above 14 per cent, 8.3 … for the DOL index, real wages are stagnant, and gas is soaring…. I’d say there are a few independents that are going … 4 more years of this crap? no way.
March 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm #749281
JoBParticipantkootch..
so.. 4 more years of the crap that created our current economic turmoil is a good thing?
you don’t have to be a democrat to question the wisdom of that.
4 years in which women could be stripped of access to birth control because of the consciences of their employers from whom they purchase their health insurance?
individual rights trumped by corporate rights.. even when it comes to your individual health care?
That’s going to be a tough sell to half of America’s voters.. regardless of their political affiliation.
4 years in which equal pay statutes for women could be overturned by a runaway congress with a rubber stamp president?
Again kootch.. over half of American voters aren’t going to see that as a good thing.
4 years in which to loot social security funds to the point at which they can no longer sustain benefits?
did you forget that the highest demographic of Americans who exercise their right to vote are over the age of 50?
4 years in which even the barebones of health reform.. restricting your health insurance company’s “right” to cancel you after you are diagnosed with an expensive health condition no matter how long you have been insured with them… can be overturned?
As long as health care is delivered through health insurance which is mandated by your employer.. this isn’t going to sell.
Free market principles only apply when there is in fact a free market. Healthcare delivery in this country is not a free market for the individuals who depend on it.
another really hard sell to independents…
Does America really want to put itself in the hands of those who think that the middle class should pick up the tax bill so billionaires get to keep more of their “hard earned” money…
4 more years of that?
I don’t think so kootch.
You forget that independents choose not to affiliate with political parties because they want to make their mind up on candidates based on the issues…
not on knee-jerk slogans.
Havent’ you stopped to ask yourself why you are backing your party if the only way for them to win an election is to counter with…
he’s worse than us
yup..
that’s a ringing endorsement if i ever heard one…
March 1, 2012 at 5:40 pm #749282
miwsParticipantMarch 1, 2012 at 6:06 pm #749283
cadburyParticipantJoB. You are forgetting that the last republican president was Ronald Wilson Reagan. Or at least that’s what the GOP wants everyone to think…
And what a peach he was…
March 1, 2012 at 7:54 pm #749284
kootchmanMemberJoB this is a fallacy. 4 years in which women could be stripped of access to birth control because of the consciences of their employers from whom they purchase their health insurance?
Acces is not denied, you can TRY to frame it that way… you cannot force conscience objectors to provide it. It’s not being provided now… again using liberal politics to expand an entitlement, at the cost of someone else’s basic freedoms… “inalienable ones”… ones granted extra constitutionally and beyond the reach of legislation. That’s the argument. That’s the left jab…. the right hook, the counter punch, will be an overreach by the far right. Quid, pro quid.. the simple way out is to take the $2000 fine and just drop health care coverage altogether, want that symbolic victory? Over 750,000 employees losing health care and having to pay themselves by the individual mandate? Good move. as the law is now written it will be a cost saver for the employer… the average plan is now over $6500 per employee. And we do have a Supreme Court challenge to the mandate. Hmmm interesting… I would suggest a tactical retreat on the issue. This is a Supreme Court that is not liberal incursion friendly … you may lose it all. Big gamble. Like i said..and the polls are dead on… 68 per cent of American think Obamacare is wrong…. that’s why the TEA Party came to life. While Obama won’t talk about it… it will be back, along with falling home prices, skyrocketing energy costs, unemployment, massive deficits, .. and a monstrous tax increase while we are not yet in any recovery…. a 2011 growth rate of 1.7 per cent? Worst recovery growth ever…. lots and lots to talk about.
The RR ghost from the beyond… “are you better off today then you were four years ago?” Hell no.
March 1, 2012 at 8:08 pm #749285
JanSParticipantso what happens when one of these employers is “morally against” providing the coverage for a myriad of other drugs..from Viagra to HRT to antibiotics (maybe they’re scientologists), to whatever it might be. It’s opening up a HUGE can of worms. I remember the saying that some lived by back in the late 60’s..”You can’t legislate morality”. The question I keep asking myself now is…why this renewed interest in birth control after all these years…where is this coming from…what is the fear, the concern..ah, yes..abortion…because any form of birth control is actually abortion(which is still legal, BTW). That’s far from the truth…but , hey, why let facts get in the way. If you can’t legislate it in your favor one way, may as well try another tactic. Are these employers also against paying for vasectomies? Betting they’re not…
March 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm #749286
JanSParticipantThe Blunt Amendment was defeated in the Senate..here’s a good quote..””“We’re in a situation in the 21st century where, in order to move forward on a highway bill that funds our highways, our roads, our bridges, our transit systems, in order to move forward on that jobs bill, where 2.8 million jobs are at stake in this great nation, we have to have a vote on birth control,” Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said on the Senate floor. “I just want to say to my friends on the other side of the aisle, what are you thinking?” “
March 1, 2012 at 8:23 pm #749287
kootchmanMemberThat’s why you should not have pushed the limits for a constituent gain. I believe Scientologists have every right to refuse violating the tenants of their faith. That is why we protect religious expression from the state. Why the renewed interest? Ya trampled on a constitutional right… freedom of religion. Look … it’s abhorrant to me that anyone would consider vaginal sonar probes a legal requirement, where did they get his fine example of social engineering? But… if they are a temporary ally of necessity, I can overlook it. Sebelius asked for the fight…game on. sterilization is not covered under Catholic healthcare. Scientologists? If that is what they believe…I am fine with it. You want those services… fine. Go get em’ …. if you don’t like employer policies… don’t work for them. You aren’t going to eating bacon anytime soon at a Kosher deli you work in. Buy your own rider to an existing policy… I have. I have a rider to cover what my basic healthcare won’t cover. Simple enough. Did ypu think Blunt would pass? No one was that naive…Boxer can say it was defeated, her constituents will love her… Roy Blunt can say he tried, constituents will love him…. the bases are getting fired up.
March 1, 2012 at 8:37 pm #749288
JanSParticipantsterilization is not covered under Catholic healthcare. But…the Blunt amendment was no longer about religious beliefs. If any employer was “morally against”…ANY employer. So…what they are morally against is different than the next guy, and the next, and yes, a big, huge, can o’ worms. It’s an excuse then…I don’t like that, I’m not gonna do it. They could be “morally against” cleaning your teeth for some reason, for cripes sake. It comes down to..who the heck is the decider, and where does it stop, where does it get silly.
I’d like to see them all get fired up over important things, like where this country is headed economically. Time to get away from who has babies, and what and who prevents them. It’s a distraction from talking about the real work. Perhaps they are simply not capable of tackling the really important stuff.
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