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May 8, 2012 at 3:41 pm #756741
JoBParticipantTanDL
that’s why in spite of my achy breaky body today i am seizing the moment..
and picking up a crew from Nickeslville :)
you should see how my yard is shaping up :))))
and you will get the opportunity
i will be holding an event at my house in late June
a benefit for one of our forum members…
and with a little help from mother nature the mini-gardens we are planting today will be ready to grace a porch or deck or balcony by then…
LOL .. if only i wore gloves so my hands could be as pretty as my garden..
May 8, 2012 at 3:54 pm #756742
TanDLParticipantRock on.. Pretty hands are over-rated anyhow! We’ll implore Mother Nature to cooperate these next few weeks so your gardens can thrive. Have a great day outdoors.
May 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm #756743
kootchmanMemberBe sure to pay those FICA taxes! The only reason Merkel isn’t in the dog house with the rest of Europe…. a reasonable deficit…. now how are you going to pay for the 16 trillion? The Democrats have no plan… more stories on the house of cards… just build it higher… pass the debt off to the next three generations… let them sort it out. That the plan? Austerity came because it had to come…. they ran out of money and credit. While we and Germany try to prop em up long enough to work through what is likely to be a decade long recession of 15-20 unemployment… the idea is not to get there… not compete to see if we can be as foolish.
May 8, 2012 at 10:41 pm #756744
waynsterParticipantHeres another reason why this election is going to be nasty it seams fox and the war on women still gets brought out for everyones enjoyment
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/05/08/rupert-murdoch-affirms-womens-right-to-vote/
Just a taste of the reason why Murdoch had to jump in and save his beloved fox….
But at no point have remarks approached those made in a recent sermon by Rev. Peterson, a champion of the Tea Party movement, who declared:
“I think that one of the greatest mistakes America made was to allow women the opportunity to vote. We should’ve never turned this over to women. And these women voting are the wrong people. They’re voting in people who are evil who agree with them, who’re gonna take us down this pathway of destruction.
“And this probably was the reason they didn’t allow women to vote when men were men. Because men in the old days understood the nature of women. They were not afraid to deal with it.”
Sean Hannity had Peterson as a guest on May 1 to denounce President Obama for “taking credit” for the Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
Hannity is on the board of advisers of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND), a conservative religious group founded by Peterson. Thanks to rawstory.com for breaking the story of the reverend’s sermon.
May 9, 2012 at 1:37 pm #756745
JoBParticipantkootch..
And the Republicans have a plan?
is it the same one that got us here?
because that one was not a good plan.
May 9, 2012 at 1:40 pm #756746
JoBParticipantWaynster..
those same tea partiers (those already elected to our nation’s House of Representatives) are threatening to double the interest rates on student loans unless funding for women’s health care is gutted.. specifically.. you guessed it… planned parenthood.
but the War on Women is an election myth created by democrats …
and have i got a deal for anyone who really believes that.. there is this bridge…
May 9, 2012 at 2:35 pm #756747
jamminjMemberromneys problem with the women voters
May 10, 2012 at 5:44 am #756748
kootchmanMemberWell, let’s put this in perspective. Planned Parenthood IS a large provider of healthcare. However, they also receive state and federal aid and provide abortion services. As much as liberals decry it, as much as moderates don’t care much one way or the other… for a huge portion of mend AND women who are “religious conservatives” it’s intolerable, a not open to compromise issue. To paraphrase a conservative friend.. “If Auschwitz offered free dental care, a food bank, and full medical coverage, would you keep it up and running”? That is how many see the debate. You may not agree and in some cases, I see abortions as a social good, but I am not a particular pro-life driven person. However I am astute enough to observe the passion of conscience of the pro-life movement. They are in the main winning the argument. Words mean things, euphemisms like “womens health care” are not powerful enough to gloss over abortion provider. If you look at the progress of the two opposing sides of the argument… pro-choice is losing ground to the backlash. The pragmatic would balance the healthcare of 5 million women against the insistance that the unwilling support by their taxes abortion. There are no peace treaties when there is no compromise. This would be a no brainer business decision..if one product offering was dragging down an entire brand name the one product line would be spun off or dropped to preserve the brand. Since all who support and love Planned Parenthood so much and consider it essential, I would be encouraging them to divest themselves of abortion services and you can provide those services through other means and methods. Ironically the Koman dust up showed you the way. You can “vote” with your voluntary support. It’s a fair game, both sides are using the levers of government to social engineer an outcome. The interest rates on student loans are scheduled to rise…it’s been known for years it was coming…they aren’t threatening to double them for retribution JoB as you would like us to believe. The were programmed to rise.. just as the Bush tax cuts were programmed to expire… one will happen without intervention, one didn’t happen with a Democrat controlled Senate, White House and Congress. Inaction will allow student loan rates to rise. Congress doesn’t have to threaten to do anything.. they can do as the Senate does…nothing and interest rates will rise. So, pro-life folks are willing to do some horse trading… no taxpayer funds to Planned Parenthood and they will coalition with Democrats to artificially lower student loan costs. The offset to the revenue loss that was calculated in the federal budget of 6.5% interest on 1 Trillion of debt is to defund Planned Parenthood. Do the trade. Or not. You are getting your armistice without unconditional surrender terms. Your War on Women is one side, the other side is War on the Sanctity of Life. I believe you will take the option of total war and risk Roe v. Wade as the terms of unconditional surrender. Fanaticism generally isn’t found in the trenches… that’s the luxury of the politicians,
May 10, 2012 at 6:09 am #756749
kootchmanMemberThe Obama “evolution” was too too too funny. His administration has filed more lawsuits against states and their prerogatives than any administration in history. There are 38 states in litigation with the federal government on states rights issues. Unprecedented. Not a trip to NC, not a single speech, not a world of support to the LGBTQ community while NC was voting to define marriage as only a union between heterosexuals.
Then he gets blindsided by “Stumblin Joe”… well, now he has evolved after consulting with Malia and her school friends… he supports “marriage” but NOW it’s a states right issue. It’s not up to the federal government. Or was this a premature unveiling of a second term strategy… a Medveded moment? How can you stand by this man? Well Romney now has a clear run at the center… the independents cause the Democrats can’t pull out the “flip flop” card without punching themselves in the face. No record to run on… and his main playing card against Romney to keep him from running at the center is gone. He was forced out of the closet. I wonder how that will affect Indiana, North Carolina, and Virginia votes?
Than ya Joe… you never fail us.
May 10, 2012 at 6:45 am #756750
JanSParticipantWow..now how many of us didn’t think you’d have a comment on this. Barack Obama must be the most despicable, evil person that ever walked the face of the earth. Look at how you rant and rail about him. Why, I bet that if he came out tomorrow saying that the sky was blue in Seattle , that you would argue that it was all a lie, and the sky obviously is green, and he’s saying it’s blue because he simply wants something..or..OMG!…he’s a socialist liberal – and we all know that they’re crazy, lying bastards..
of course, you’ve never changed you mind on anything, guess you’ve never evolved..
May 10, 2012 at 1:14 pm #756751
redblackParticipantAs much as liberals decry it, as much as moderates don’t care much one way or the other… for a huge portion of mend AND women who are “religious conservatives” it’s intolerable, a not open to compromise issue.
not open to compromise? you’re absolutely right. it isn’t. and furthermore, it’s none of your business, no matter how much of your tax money goes to PP.
why can’t you libertarians mind your own business? if other people are committing “crimes,” so what? why can’t you just leave well enough alone?
people all across this country – and some who receive federal monies – commit crimes. murder, rape, arson, drugs (both imbibing and trafficking), extortion, theft, destruction of property. yet you pick on a class of people who have a specific need for a specific service and put the screws to ’em on a daily basis, all while waving a crucifix in our faces.
do you do it simply because they’re poor and vulnerable and have a hard time getting a voice politically?
look. abortion is still legal, and you should be glad that it is. furthermore, you should be glad that the federal government is subsidizing planned parenthood. i mean, do you really want the undesirables propagating?
but it has been noted that you want to drive abortion back into dark, dirty alleys.
which gives me a thought.
now, kootch, i know you have a good kid. but sometimes even good, well-disciplined kids do bad, unpredictable things. and i know this isn’t likely, but what if – just what if – she becomes impregnated by, say, a hispanic janitor? does she carry the baby to term and alter her life forever, possibly having to forgo a better education or career?
can you find any sympathy whatsoever for other younger women who are also smart and heading in the right direction, but find themselves in that situation – no matter their income level? and can you see why they should have clean, safe places to have abortions performed?
and then there’s the gay marriage thing, which most people don’t give two hoots about. do you think it’s a wise idea to go all bible-thumpy on america?
furthermore, i don’t think mitt romney has the balls to run at that issue from a religious conservative point of view – mainly because i don’t think he’s a religious conservative. so i’ll bet he doesn’t touch it with a 10-foot pole, so as not to alienate a sizable voting bloc who may be gay and republican.
no, i think obama is running against congress on this one. and i think he’s going to win.
May 10, 2012 at 1:46 pm #756752
JoBParticipantkootch…
psst… abortion is legal in these United States
it’s time you stopped talking as though it wasn’t.
any right to life advocate who is not in favor of funding women’s healthcare is a hypocrite.. end of story.
i know science is not their strong suit… but it takes a healthy baby mom to produce a healthy baby.
if actions of the mother can be considered endangering the life of her fetus.. why isn’t funding basic women’s health care mandatory .. and cutting funding actionable?
May 10, 2012 at 3:18 pm #756753
jamminjMemberHow can one claim to be pro-life, yet support a for profit healthcare insurance system? A system that denies one health care, that is not pro-life.
May 10, 2012 at 6:10 pm #756754
kootchmanMemberI know it’s legal. Doesn’t mean that it has to be supported by a federal program. Again, you err. And missed the point entirely. Planned Parenthood and the delivery of health care to pregnant women is a good thing, Don’t know a single pro-life person who would restrict pre-natal care. Not one. But, as long as PP provides abortion services, they are a target, they will remain a target. I know many a towering intellect JoB whose mental prowess dwarfs yours or mine.. in the sciences. But see, science is not the issue. As the polls have it… the country is roughly split in the middle on the issue. That’s really not consensus governance. Psssst… if you want to keep it legal… stop and savor the victory pro choice has… the fact that it is legal. That’s as far as I would take it. It’s legal to eat Snicker bars too… doesn’t mean the government has to buy em for everyone on demand.
redblack tis still a democracy… and guess what? As long as it is public money.. it’s my business, your business and every other citizens business. When it involves the actions of government every citizen has the right to make it their business. You can’t have it both ways… when the public purse is involved, it’s the publics business. My suggestion is defang the opposition…take federal money out of it. Fund abortion services with contributions, donations, trust funds.. however you see fit.
“it’s none of your business, no matter how much of your tax money goes to PP.”
Because jamminj….it works? Because it delivers a fine standard of care… because I just sat in conferences where my friends from Europe and Canada explained how they fly to the USA or France which allows private health insurance rather than wait for months for their public services. And my health insurance company is solvent… unlike my federal government.
As to the comment on teen pregnancy… redblack. Whatever family decisions would have to be made, I won’t be knocking on your door to step in and solve it with me on your dime… y’know what I mean? I suspect we would see a private physician, make private decisions, and pay whatever consequences from private insurance contracts. THEN I can say ain’t nobody’s business but ours.
May 10, 2012 at 6:17 pm #756755
JanSParticipantredblack…I was chuckling at Mitt Romney’s response to Pres. Obama supporting gay marriage. He said (not a direct quote, but close)..”I have always believed that marriage is between one man and one woman, since…well, since I began running for office”…lol…yep, for at least 5 or 6 years now…
May 10, 2012 at 6:38 pm #756756
kootchmanMemberWell redblack we will see… but ironic isn’t it… one of the seven swing states he needs just went by an overwhelming majority to a constitutional amendment to define marriage. He is scrambling like hell to make this work. For republicans… it’s a calculus game..cause it is largely meaningless gesture of political expediency on the Presidents’ part. We are looking for those few extra votes and points and this will add more to the republicans side in the swing states… we can hold the center with civil union are ok and are state issues. Pragmatic, reasonable, wins the day. Hope and Change will never again be used as a campaign slogan. We need to stay on message… It’s the economy and we aren’t stupid. Obama is starting to fray at the edges… playing pick up sticks with severe hand tremors. Romney now has a 10 point lead over Obama with independents self identifying as very likely to vote and the gap is widening. There is going to hell fire and damnation in Southern Baptist pulpits this Sunday… bringing the flock to Jesus and Romney. Can I get an Amen? There was a demographic reason he stayed off the issue. Biden blundered big time.
May 10, 2012 at 6:42 pm #756757
jamminjMember“Because jamminj….it works? Because it delivers a fine standard of care… “
and they also deny coverage leading to deaths, which is direct opposite of stating one is pro-life. you can’t argue for both. well you can, but it makes you a hypocrite. Now if you want to argue pro-fetus, fine, but arguing for our current health care insurance system is the antithesis of pro-life.
May 10, 2012 at 6:46 pm #756758
jamminjMember“Romney now has a 10 point lead over Obama with independents self “
wrong again, as usual.
Obama leads Romney, helped by independents
President Barack Obama extended his lead over Republican challenger Mitt Romney to 7 percentage points because of increased support from independent voters
May 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm #756759
jamminjMember51% – Independents Help Obama Build Lead Over Romney
Barack Obama now holds an eight-point lead over Mitt Romney in a hypothetical general election matchup, and he has gained significant ground among independent voters.
A month ago, 40% of independents said they would back Obama over Romney – today, 51% say so.
The percentage of independents on Team Romney has slipped from 50% to 42% in the last month.
May 10, 2012 at 6:50 pm #756760
miwsParticipantkootch, you fervently regret voting for Obama. We get it. Please quit taking it out on us, and just go yell at yourself in the mirror whenever it strikes your fancy.
yet you pick on a class of people who have a specific need for a specific service and put the screws to ’em on a daily basis….
redblack, I know I’m preaching to the choir with you, but, that’s typical of many of the Republitarians.
Pick on the little guy, with no power, and perhaps no voice. It’s the easy way out for the Republitarians, going after the weakest link, instead of standing up to the real culprit, the wealthier and more powerful of our society, that choose to use that wealth and power in unethical, and immoral ways.
‘cuz, y’know, it’s easier to just sit on your ass and blame the City’s/County’s/State’s/Country’s/World’s/Universe’s/Black Hole’s problems, on them there……(whatever)
Mike
May 10, 2012 at 6:52 pm #756761
jamminjMember“overwhelming majority to a constitutional amendment to define marriage.”
so much for ‘small’ government.
May 10, 2012 at 6:54 pm #756762
kootchmanMemberThat is a good point. jj…. however, how far do you take it? Not to be maudlin cause it is a touchy subject indeed… but you can’t afford to cover every life saving measure on a government health plan. It has to be restricted and rationed. Do you pay for double lung transplant on Medicare at age 60? Or, do you try and get 50% per cent of our young adults off the obesity roles? Private insurance has the capacity to carry the heavier load.. the federal government does not. Basic health care means what? Healthcare like housing, cars, and any consumer product will never be equitable. The closest it will come is to insure it.
May 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm #756763
kootchmanMemberDidn’t see NC start a marriage standardization board with 100 employees jj… no provisions to authorize one. Can’t see where it made government “bigger”… maybe saved a few bucks on domestic partner benefits.. but I am guessing that was not the population of NC consideration.
May 10, 2012 at 7:04 pm #756764
kootchmanMemberdueling polls… http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_162-57428876/romney-polling-well-with-independents-as-obama-campaign-kicks-off/
jj,.. it only counts in 7 swing states.
May 10, 2012 at 7:16 pm #756765
kootchmanMembermiws simmer down fellah.. we are evaluating the tactics and the strategies of a election campaign… and yes, there are ironies, and very transparant motivations that have nothing to do with character, conviction.. politics is our national blood sport. Enjoy the show. This is a particularly good one. Both sides are getting squeezed by fringe issues… and fringe constituents. It’s the economy. See the thread topic?
Obama didn’t want to come out on this issue. Every southern state now has a constitutional ban on same gender marriage. Four of those states are swing states. It polls particularly poorly with older voters. (Florida) In NC.. counties like, Halifax County, which are majority black counties, voted over 65% to ban same sex marriage. It’s a political nightmare.. for Obama. His core constituents, who voted 96% in masse for him are the biggest opposition group for marriage equality. The convention is being held in a state that just voted against same gender marriages, overwhelmingly and his most secure base is in direct opposition to his position. It’s reasonable to comment on the issue. This is a Bill Clinton election cycle. The one most perceived to be centrist will win. This gives Romney a lot of cover to go where he is most comfortable, moderate republican. It may not be a bad thing..
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