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November 11, 2016 at 1:23 pm #864497
JanSParticipanthey, Dave…are you saying that I, at the age of almost 70, am not a working stiff? GThink again, buddy, think again. My SS, that they want to do away with, only pays the rent now. We seniors have other bills, too.
Just yesterday, a man , in a comment on the front page, told me that no, Ryan and McConnell do not want to do away with SS or Medicare…and this morning? The news:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/11/1596527/-Paul-Ryan-just-announced-his-plans-to-phase-out-Medicare-with-privatization-using-vouchers?detail=email&link_id=1&can_id=1ed4b3a58d4141cdf1dab909f7141098&source=email-paul-ryan-just-announced-his-plans-to-phase-out-medicare-with-privatization-using-vouchers&email_referrer=paul-ryan-just-announced-his-plans-to-phase-out-medicare-with-privatization-using-vouchers&email_subject=paul-ryan-just-announced-his-plans-to-phase-out-medicare-with-privatization-using-vouchers
So…you don’t want to be labelled racist. OK…we’ll give a benefit of the doubt. But for those that are, Trump has now given them permission to just go for it. There are multiple news stories out there about verbally attacking black people, including kids in middle school…by their teachers, no less. Of attacks on a gay man in Santa Monica who, I’m sure, will be very glad to get back to his home country of Canada after being beaten savagely by Trump supporters.Of Asian women being stopped on the street by strangers, berating them and telling them to go back to Asia. There’s the report above from our own JoB of what happened to her yesterday…reprehensible. Oh, and did you see the “parade” in North Carolina, put on by the KKK? Maybe you don’t espouse to these things, would never think of participating in these things,and I’m hoping that some of the Seattle progressive compassion has rubbed off on you, despite your conservatism. But in other parts of the country? There are ignorant people out there on your side of things that think Trump has now given them permission to do whatever, say whatever. It’s the 50’s and 60’s all over again. So you, as a white male, don’t have anything to fear…but those around you? Minorities, women, gay people? It’s only beginning. The transition team he has formed is anti-black, anti-LGBTQ, and the only woman is his daughter, who certainly doesn’t represent me. You can argue all you want with us, but it’s a reality. And it’s wrong, and you are smart enough to recognize it. No one in this country should have to live in fear like this every time we leave our homes. Oh, you say it’s not true? How do you know that? It doesn’t affect you…a white man, a business owner. I lived through the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, Viet Nam, segregation, prejudice, riots, was in Wash, DC watching DC burn after MLK was assassinated, scared out of my wits. I lived in DC for the next 4 years after that and riots, and tear gas…and that’s definitely not when “America was great again”. And that’s what your lord and savior, and those who follow him want to go back to…when white men ruled , women were second class, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, if you will…and the like of George Wallace wanted to be president. I don’t want to see history repeat itself, for damned sure. It’s your job, now that you feel that you’ve “won”…not sure what, though, to get out there , be involved, and work your ass off to make sure we don’t go back there.
Oh, and Rush? He can take that big ol’ cigar and shove it ! You want us to listen to your side? Turn on NPR, and others beside Hannity, et.al. …quid pro quo. We all still need educating, don’t we.
Lastly…stop being a bully..you don’t even realize it, I’m guessing. Enjoy the next 4 years. Hope it doesn’t affect you negatively in any way…
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November 11, 2016 at 4:09 pm #864503
JKBParticipantHere’s an idea. Instead of continuing to bicker, say something worthwhile. We’ve had two years of campaign rhetoric. Maybe the hypocrisy, the viciousness, and the refusal to listen could be toned down a little?
November 11, 2016 at 4:54 pm #864504
SunuvaParticipantJKB, while I don’t yet have that other thing to say, I completely agree. The fact that people are still arguing the same points after the whole thing is done will get us nowhere. Or, if it does take us somewhere it’ll be somewhere dark that we never wanted to be. For example, I had a family member continue to make jabs on my social media after her side had won and well, I believe at this point we’ll never speak again. That is certainly not where I wanted to be.
I personally have been talking to a couple friends about having some brainstorming sessions to see if our collective talents can create something to help people rather that continuing to worry and bicker about this election any longer. There are still ways to help in this world, we just need to look for them and go for it.
November 11, 2016 at 4:58 pm #864506
JanSParticipantNovember 11, 2016 at 6:34 pm #864524
JoBParticipantJKB
what happened to me yesterday isn’t the same old talking points..
this morning i had an email from a christian friend who began her email.. please pray for America.. because a local serviceman who is not of caucasian descent was accosted in a local store by one of our fine citizens who told him to go back where he belongs…when any of you can dismiss this kind of behavior with a basic get over it and stop rehashing the election post.. we have a problem.
i am feeling pretty blunt today.. so this is my message to all of you local Trump supporters
you broke it. you fix it.November 11, 2016 at 6:37 pm #864525
JoBParticipantmiws.
i don’t think the man recognized me from the blog.When that happens whether people are supportive or would like to tear me a new one they generally say something specific about who i am.
and yes.. i have encountered both out and about in our community.
I will admit… i appreciate those who have something kind or respectful to say to me even if they disagree with me politically far more than those who think the fact that i exist gives them the right to be hostile.
as it turns out. i will listen respectfully to almost anyone who speaks to me.
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November 11, 2016 at 9:01 pm #864543
JanSParticipantJKB…”Here’s an idea. Instead of continuing to bicker, say something worthwhile. ”
You first ;-)
November 11, 2016 at 9:02 pm #864544
redblackParticipantjo: unfortunately, the america you just described is the america i grew up in. this country is dangerous. over the years, i’ve developed a callous for urban insanity; but i’m sorry this nutbag accosted you. i’d like to think that i would have punched his lights out for him if i had been a witness.
but i just can’t agree about clinton. i’ve not wanted her to be president for a long time.
the sad thing is that no one except sanders ever came close to being a more viable candidate. we have a paucity of altruistic progressives who come without baggage, and the DNC felt the need to run the campaign like a business this election cycle. they disenfranchised over half of their own party in doing so.
that’s not our game, and we should never have played it.
November 12, 2016 at 11:18 am #864615
JKBParticipantJanS, sure. Just the other night, KBear and I had an actual conversation about a difficult topic. There was disagreement, but it didn’t turn nasty.
By the way, the medium.com article was decent.
November 12, 2016 at 11:22 am #864616
JoBParticipantredblack..
we have different priorities when it comes to a candidate.
you want want who says what you want to hear
i want want one who can produce legislation that will codify what i believe needs to happen into law… even if that law falls short of what i think it’s final position should be..you think what looks like the more popular candidate is viable… that he had no baggage?
but you clearly underestimated the effectiveness of the Republican slime machine when it came to Hillary…what makes you think Bernie Sanders would have stood up to that machine?
Do you really think that communism is the worst they could throw at him?
How about deadbeat dad?
How about his less than fortunate comments about child molestation?
How about his lack of loyalty to the political movements that put him in office to start with? How about open support of communist regimes?
How about the backing he received from the democratic party against their own candidate in his Senate elections?
How about anti-semitism?
How about?You didn’t really hear those charges leveled against him in the primary because it wasn’t in the democrats best interests to do so.. but it would have been in the republican best interests.
Have you seen how quickly a very vocal group of Bernie supporters labeled him a sell out when he negotiated the best deal he could get for progressives?
How fast do you think they and the rest of America would have fled his campaign once the Republicans started their campaign against him?
but the worst.. is those whose real answer to not really fighting for this administration is that they did not want Hillary to be president.. who would overlook every rational argument for her candidacy for that reason alone… at any cost…
That to me is the saddest part of this election.. the good people who didn’t fight for their values because they didn’t like what they thought they knew about Hillary… or were convinced somehow that the candidate who tried a hostile takeover of the democratic party didn’t get a fair shake when they resisted.
You talk about “the people” as though the only people who mattered were those who supported Bernie. What about those who have worked for a Hillary candidacy most of our lives.. who saw her as the only viable candidate not only to gain election but to negotiate laws that would protect the equality of all citizens.. but specifically those of minorities and women and children. Are we not people worth consideration?
What makes your goals and aspirations so much more important than her actual track record on ours?
i am going to point the same thing out to you that i pointed out to my husband.. who by the way is considerably older than you.
by the time he was aware enough of politics to have figured out his parents got it wrong.. the Republican slime machine had already been smearing Hillary for some time. Every night as he ate his family meal.. he heard what a bad person she was.. that she was manipulative and conniving.. that she was literally getting away with murder.
his hate is visceral… so much so that he blames her personally for the damage done in the Iraq war .. even though a no vote from her would have made no difference to the outcome of the either that vote or the results of that war. He blames her where intervention turned out badly and equally where non intervention turned out badly…
I have to point out.. i think she would have made an outstanding President and even i don’t think she is that all powerful.
You might ask yourself. why are votes against what you believe in acceptable if they are made by Bernie but not if made by Hillary? Why is it acceptable for Bernie to change his position as the public tide swings but not for Hillary?
If you look at the two candidates.. very little in their voting history distinguished them.. which is why Bernie based his campaign on building indignation against the appearance of wrongdoing.
What sets Bernie’s campaign strategy apart from Trump’s?
I don’t expect you to answer those questions here.. or even now.. but they are questions you might ask yourself one of these days.. because if you are committed to continuing the fight it always pays to understand both sides of any position … forewarned is literally forearmed.
and on that note i am done with this part of this conversation…
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