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October 28, 2016 at 6:50 pm #862728
redblackParticipanti don’t understand the perception that this a bubble economy. just look at the amount of innovative tech that is coming from highrises in SLU and basements in ballard.
we can have both giant tech conglomerates and nano-business. not only is it possible, it’s actually happening, here and now. and if we tax accordingly, we can have good and effective government, too.
and we can export. we have to protect american businesses that hire americans, and we should support those businesses with our consumer dollars.
October 28, 2016 at 9:58 pm #862752
captainDaveParticipantredblack: I was in the tech development business for over 20 years. The number of entrepreneurial businesses in Seattle now is a tiny fraction of what it was in the 80’s and 90’s. There has been a mass exodus of businesses out of Seattle because of the anti-business policies. Good and effective government can only be achieved if we have leaders who understand the free enterprise system. Academics and social engineers just screw things up because they get the cart in front of the horse. Seattle is not going to grow much new business without net positive incentives.
October 29, 2016 at 12:23 pm #862790
mark47nParticipantI believe the order goes something like this: NixonCare, DoleCare, ClintonCare and, finally, ObamaCare.
By the way, Healthcare INSURANCE (capitalized on purpose) CEOs are still pulling down record annual compensation and Premera just raised premiums something on the order of 7% and are planning on a double digit raise next year. I capitalized the word insurance because this is a key part of the equation that no one talks about, or not as often as they ought to. What I pay for every month, at usurious rates, is insurance. It still allows the carrier to deny care. It’s not healthcare, it’s a multi-billion dollar business. Profiting from pain and suffering is reprehensible and it’s the system that we’ve allowed to flourish and to become entrenched today.
October 29, 2016 at 1:02 pm #862795
JanSParticipantMark…hear! hear! As a massage therapist, I deal with insurance. I can guarantee you they have not raised the compensation they give me in at least 10 years, sometimes more. They pay me 20% less than I would make for a cash client.
A recent story…I spent 4 nights, 4.5 days at Swedish this past July after a fall. I’m on Medicare. Just saw my bill(had surgery to repair broken jaw). Hospital charged ….$93K+. Insurance allowed $17K+, paid $15K+. Rest (almost $2K was my part. Luckily I have a program that pays for my copay. So I pay nothing. Still mind boggling. Insurance companies call the shots no matter what, and always will until we are single payor, IMO. And the remuneration given to the CEOs is obscene. Some make in one day what I make in 2-3 years :(
October 29, 2016 at 1:28 pm #862806
captainDaveParticipantmark47n: Your argument is EXACTLY why so many people are voting for Trump. Monopolies suck for everyone but the monopolists. They always have. Market competition drives prices and profits down so that companies can’t afford to pay ridiculous salaries and bonuses to top executives while raping consumers. Million+ dollar compensation was almost unheard of years ago. Big executive salaries were only in the low six figures up until government corruption started to build crony empires. Trump’s campaign platform is to make insurance companies compete across state lines just like they did decades age–like auto insurance companies. That’s the way it was until crony politics succumbed to lobbyists and allowed the formation of state-bound cartels.
The same can be done to the medical industry. Due to regulatory barriers, far fewer doctors can practice medicine. Now we have giant medial service cartels taking advantage of the scarcity of services to extract high profits. Make it easier for doctors and practitioners to compete in an open market, and you will once again have better service and lower prices.
There is no magic to this stuff. It was economics 101 before universities became progressive indoctrination centers. Within a year, the medical crisis can be resolved by just getting the government out of the way. By doing so, it will put more people to work and provide more tax revenue to help fund social services for people who still can’t afford it.
The problem with healthcare is lack of competition–a hallmark of centralized leftist regimes.
October 29, 2016 at 2:51 pm #862809
JanSParticipantso…Mr. Dave…could you tell us what Trump’s plan is for medical insurance if he does away with the ACA. Specifics, please, as I ASSume that he has pontificated about it. (besides it being the “very best” plan)
October 29, 2016 at 4:43 pm #862831
captainDaveParticipantOctober 29, 2016 at 7:29 pm #862842
mark47nParticipantI forgot in include RomneyCare. The plan for the ACA originated with Tricky Dick and was also pitched by two other Republicans. It’s a Republican plan no matter how you try to slice and dice it. I live, I breathe therefore I shall be required to buy health insurance from a for profit company with no actual guarantee that I shall receive healthcare. If I don’t comply I shall be fined. This is the Republican plan. The Democratic part was to be a public option, which the Republicans shot down. I hasten to add that the US also tops the chart, internationally, in healthcare spending and is at the bottom of the charts for outcomes. I’d say that we’re doing something wrong.
The reason that compensation packages started to shift in the 1980’s was because top tier tax rates were dropped to 25% by Ronny Reagan. Prior to that they were 90% at the top. This led to businesses and individuals look for places to put that money rather than claim it as income. Now, they just take it as income, pay the pittance in taxes, and it is a pittance, and park it. It’s doing nothing.
But enough about that. Here’s the biggest problem I have with Trump, he’s supported by elements of society that would wipe me and mine off the face of the earth if they had the chance. He’s supported by the KKK and Neo Nazi’s and that’s enough for me. I know that many people say that he’s not about that but you don’t develop a following like that accidentally. It comes from what he says and what he doesn’t say. I didn’t like Bush but it wasn’t personal. He seemed like a decent guy but I didn’t care for his policies, to say nothing of his cronies (think Darth Cheney and Halliburton). I loathe Trump. I have had to question relationships I’ve had with people due to their support. If they support him then they support what he says. That’s how this works. I’ll even apply the same to myself. I support Hillary, grudgingly as she’s not far enough left for me, but I support her nonetheless. As to her alleged ethical lapses, no one has proven anything after countless hours of hearings, investigations, interrogations, etc. Nothing! She has supported policies and actions that I don’t support but no one promised life was all beer and skittles (not the candy).
Give me Elizabeth Warren and Bernie!
October 29, 2016 at 8:50 pm #862852
dobroParticipant“There has been a mass exodus of businesses out of Seattle because of the anti-business policies.”
Pure baloney. Please cite some facts and figures showing a business decline in Seattle. Seattle is regarded as a great town, boom town even, for businesses. google it.
October 29, 2016 at 10:52 pm #862861
captainDaveParticipantmark47n: Your post is irrational.
Contrary to your belief, Hilary is supported by the KKK:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/ It doesn’t make her a supporter of their movement (Although I am wondering why she did not return the $20,000 they gave her campaign).Here is Hillary endorsing long-time KKK member, the late Robert Byrd:
Hillary is also supported by the woman-supressing, gay-slautering, slave-owning, dictators of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar. — of which Hillary gladly excepted hundreds of millions for her campaign. As matter of verifiable fact, Hillary is highly supported by murders, thieves, rapists, and pedephiles–over 90 percent of prison inmates want Hillary (although they can’t vote in most states, yet).
While Hillary was associated with some very extreme leftists in her early career, she is not left enough for you. Which, to me (using your irrational logic), means you are probably an advocate of marxist despots who slaughtered over 200 million people in the last century. Is that true? If so, I can see why you don’t like Trump.
dobro: I don’t give a rat’s ass what you believe. I’ve been involved in business here for 40 years. My family has been doing business in Seattle since the 1880’s. I can name a hundred companies off the top of my head that are no longer here–many were major employers. More than 95% of the region’s manufacturing that was here in 1980 is gone today. I know this because I have direct personal experience. What you have now is a narrow band of business primarily centered around digital and services (things you can’t eat, live in or wear). You are swallowing gov-speak spin that’s designed to justify a retarded socialist agenda. What do you think would happen to the local economy if Amazon left?
October 29, 2016 at 11:29 pm #862864
dobroParticipant“I don’t give a rat’s ass what you believe.”
Thanks for removing any pretense of respectful discussion. No wonder I had this feeling that there’s really no reason for me to be addressing someone whose commentary seems so ill-informed and self centered. See ya, Cap’n.
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October 30, 2016 at 12:27 am #862872
captainDaveParticipantdobro: sorry if I hurt your fragile feelings. Perhaps you should qualify your challenge with actual data when you claim that I am giving you “Pure baloney”.
October 30, 2016 at 7:23 am #862881
redblackParticipantdave:
- boeing
- microsoft
- starbucks
- vigor
- BNSF
- sellen
- tom douglas
- nucor
- elysian brewing
- princess
just off the top of my head. there are dozens – hundreds, even – of smaller companies and contractors that serve the big companies. they’re all building. all those folks need to be housed and fed.
why do you think people are flocking here? because they’re just tired of kansas and they have have disposable income and leisure time? no! it’s because we’re open for business.
washington is doing more business than california, texas, and new york. it just seems weird to me that you claim seattle is hostile to business and that we have a fragile economy… why?
because we’re taxing you to death so we can give the poors obama phones, cadillacs, crack, and malt liquor and a nice freeway under which to enjoy them?
empirical evidence shows otherwise.
- This reply was modified 9 years, 1 month ago by redblack.
October 30, 2016 at 6:36 pm #862953
JanSParticipantOctober 31, 2016 at 8:51 am #863003
anonymeParticipantAs I was saying…
The conclusion to the not-so-artfully edited version of the video clip in the original post.
October 31, 2016 at 9:01 am #863004
waynsterParticipantOctober 31, 2016 at 9:21 am #863007
JoBParticipantit seems i don’t need to be in the room at all :)))
October 31, 2016 at 2:45 pm #863053
captainDaveParticipantJanS: The vast majority of our local economy is dependent on the success of one gigantic monopolistic corporation that’s (for bettor or worse) cannibalizing brick and mortar distribution around the country. You ignore the fact that much of the rest of the country is going down the toilet. It seems to me you are thinking like an ostrich.
October 31, 2016 at 6:27 pm #863126
JanSParticipantyou believe what you want, dear sir. You are most decidedly wrong. I’m sorry that you feel that you have nothing more to learn, that you already know it all. What part of official statistics and truth do you not get? If this was another social media, this is where I would say you need to STFU and GTFA…but, oops that’s not allowed here, is it? You have talked about the economy of WA State ad nauseum about how we’re in the toilet, and when someone tells you the truth to debunk that, you just ignore, and continue with…but….but….but. You have no idea how good you have it. Yes, the southeast part of this country isn’t doing as well…wonder why? And then you have Minnesota: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miXMWJyOdgw
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/mark-dayton-minnesota-economy_b_6737786.htmlYes, a Republican governor did this…raised taxes, increased the minimum wage…and lo and behold..IT WORKED!!! yep..SMFH and GTFA
October 31, 2016 at 9:29 pm #863147
redblackParticipanti hate to ruin your narrative, dave, but we wouldn’t die without amazon.
almost the entirety of the alaskan fishing fleet still does business through seattle.
weyerhauser? okay, you got me there. they just fled federal way.
oh, wait! no you didn’t. they built a $200 million building in pioneer square for their corporate headquarters. i worked on it.
i guess they’re not scared to do business here.
dude. quit drinking the kool-aid.
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October 31, 2016 at 11:56 pm #863156
captainDaveParticipantJanS: Around 1960, the people of Detroit believed they had the best economy in the world. And for a time, they might have been statistically correct. However, they let their City develop fatal flaws that set Detroit on a course for years of economic decline and physical decay. The biggest fundamental flaw happened a couple decades earlier when the government policies failed to preserve a diversified economy. Because of World War II, Detroit became a mecca for monopolies that brought fast growth and instant jobs (sound familiar?). Seattle is benefiting from an economic boom that is dependent on too few elements. Those elements can quickly change without much notice.
redblack: You said: “almost the entirety of the alaskan fishing fleet still does business through seattle” — False. Research what you post before making such claims to someone in the industry. Then try to explain why so many moorage slips at Fisherman’s Terminal have been permanently leased to yacht owners.
November 1, 2016 at 5:22 am #863160
redblackParticipanti was talking about icicle seafoods, panfish, trident, etc. sorry you misunderstood.
November 1, 2016 at 7:27 am #863167
waynsterParticipantNovember 1, 2016 at 8:16 am #863168
JoBParticipantCaptain Dave..
you see the world through a very narrow lens that you have tuned to only one channel.. the you done me wrong song.
there is plenty in Seattle to be concerned about.. but you seem to miss the real issues that face us like rising income disparity and focus only on what you think stands between you and success… “the” beuracracy.. as if life would suddenly change if you had unfettered access…
your fascination with Trump who never saw a rule that he thought applied to him is a prime example of what you think American business should look like… And if you look closely his is not a pretty story. He can’t even run a campaign without deceiving the American people about his intentions and stiffing his workers.. He lies.. he cheats.. and you think he is a prime example of business success? really?I am not buying it.
November 1, 2016 at 10:41 am #863186
captainDaveParticipantRedBlack: It is a sad commentary to list just a handful of big foreign owned businesses in an industry that once supported thousands of local independent fishing boats and processors who invested their profits here. Another fine example of how government intervened to reward a few with the demise of many. Big is not better.
JoB:Exactly how am I missing the real issue of “rising income disparity” and the obstructionist bureaucracy by advocating for a diversified economic base that spreads wealth more evenly?
It has taken me several years to try and get back into doing business in Seattle after the City wrongfully sued me for the wages of someone I never employed. And I am still not there yet. It used to take about fifteen minutes to start a new business. Now its worse than communist China or Russia. How is that going to help our income disparity problem if people can’t easily start competing businesses?
Please show me where Trump has been indicted on charges of “breaking rules”? If he followed the laws and used legal loopholes like his competitors had done, how is that illegal? Hillary has been in politics for 30 years–what loopholes for the rich has she eliminated? Better yet, how many loopholes do you think she has added?
How many people have died from so-called “Trump lies”? Zero. How many people have died from Hillary’s lies and deceit while at the State Department? Thousands.
Where exactly has Trump “cheated”? We know Hillary cheated in the debates (by getting questions ahead of time). We also know that she cheated the government by setting up a private email system for hiding her illicit pay-to-play dealings at the State Dept. We also know that she cheated Bernie Sanders out of the primary. Through wikileaks, we now know that Hillary and Bill cheated the Haitian people out of millions in relief money with they private foundation. The word “Clinton” is synonymous with cheating.
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