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June 5, 2013 at 7:13 am #607775
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Did you all hear? Michelle Shocked, musical artist that had some relevance back in the day, was unceremoniously uninvited from an appearance at Meander’s after a recent homophobic rant that spewed forth from her hate-filled mouth. Thanks for standing up and doing what is right, Miranda and team.June 5, 2013 at 12:55 pm #791159
Miranda just rawks that way. :-)
Miranda didn’t waste any time uninviting Ms. Shocked. As I recall, it was Miranda’s posting on FB, that she was doing so, that was the first I’d heard about Shocked’s rant.
MikeJune 5, 2013 at 12:58 pm #791160
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I actually heard about it on a KISW podcast and thought it was worth sharing.June 5, 2013 at 2:39 pm #791161
Yeah, definitely. Anything to get word out.
I remember Michelle Shocked back in the day, and remembered thinking her music was good, and thinking back to what my impression of her from back then, was a bit….umm….shocked, (seriously) that she carried this opinion.
MikeJune 5, 2013 at 3:20 pm #791162
Don’t forget another West Seattle business went ahead and hosted her anyway on the same night as Miranda’s benefit concert…June 5, 2013 at 3:32 pm #791163
Oh my goodness… I don’t remember hearing about it. Since I’m guessing it’s rather public knowledge, who was it?June 5, 2013 at 3:36 pm #791164June 5, 2013 at 3:49 pm #791165
I’d like to know who hosted her as well….I was SO proud of Meanders at the time but dissapointed to hear that someone else stepped in…June 5, 2013 at 3:51 pm #791166June 5, 2013 at 3:58 pm #791167June 5, 2013 at 4:00 pm #791168
Like Mike, I initially heard about the Michelle Shocked incident from Miranda’s FB post. Honestly, I had no clue who she was prior to that. I hadn’t followed the aftermath, though, so I had no clue another business decided to take her in. :-|June 5, 2013 at 4:02 pm #791169
Yeah I hadn’t heard either – I’m surprised she didn’t get the hint when she saw those comments on her posting of “huh?” and “WTF?” That’s a mis-step that will cost you more business than it brings you, I’d imagine.June 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm #791170
Oh, man. Read the comments on the LineOut story. #14 makes me feel ill, if it’s true. Not cool. (I honestly don’t know where Miranda lives, so I’m not going to copy/paste here in case it’s not accurate.)June 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm #791171
I’m completely stunned that they agreed to host her. I’m also confused….I have no tolerance though and would be inclined to take my business elsewhere in the future. Again, I’m confused that they would agree to host her. What motviation do they have to host someone who spews homophobia? yikes. I’m dissapointed.June 5, 2013 at 5:03 pm #791172
Barry, when you say you’re shocked that “they” agreed to host her, do you mean Meanders or Village Green? Meanders agreed to host her BEFORE the homophobic rant, and quickly uninvited her after it was made public. Don’t know Village Green’s motivation at all.June 5, 2013 at 5:09 pm #791173
Sorry, should have clarified: I’m shocked that Village Green agreed to host. I was completely impressed (as I am with all things Meanders does) that they quickly uninvited her. I’m dissapointed in Village Green’s decision.June 5, 2013 at 5:55 pm #791174
Oh my gosh, I wish this story would just die already….so Vera did something that people didn’t agree with. I was surprised as well. However, Village Green is Vera’s livelihood – how she pays her bills, mortgage and how she takes care of her kids. Meanders got a ton of support from the community, a lot of publicity for the restaurant by going to the media with the story, and a lot of new customers. As a White Center business owner, I’m tired of seeing Vera crucified for the decision she made to host the show. Vera and Michelle had an established relationship/friendship before all of the controversy and was taken aback and flustered by Michelle’s surprise visit at her business that day. She has already been raked over the coals for her decision to host the show and been told by countless people that she has lost their business. She expressed on her Facebook page that she was just waiting for the angry mob to show up (which did, just not in person) and explained her reasons for her decision. The reasons were valid to her whether others agree with them or not. As I said, I was confused and disappointed to see Michelle given a venue as well, but Vera has also done a lot for the community and I hate to see people forget that and continue to drag her through the mud and potentially lose her business because she made an unpopular decision. The situation and its subsequent publicity have been great for Meander’s and harmful to Village Green. If Village Green ends up folding will people say “Well good, she deserved it”? Is that really what people want to become of this situation? It’s kind of old news, it happened back in April. I think Vera and Village Green have been “punished” enough.June 5, 2013 at 6:04 pm #791175June 5, 2013 at 6:15 pm #791176
leamk, I don’t see that anyone is “crucifying” anyone, at least not in this thread. Saying that we’re surprised or don’t agree is not crucifying. As for this potentially being detrimental to Village Green’s business, when you are the face of a business, you need to pay attenton to what you put out there on the internet and in social media. I am a small business owner in West Seattle, and I am totally aware that someone may judge me – and it may affect my business – based on things I say online, which is why I often keep my mouth shut on controversial topics. I totally support the right of anyone to make a decision like Vera did, but you can’t make a decision like that and not expect there to be some consequences. Perhaps someone will give her more business because they agree. Perhaps she will lose business from someone who doesn’t agree. Either way, we don’t live in a vacuum.June 5, 2013 at 6:26 pm #791177June 5, 2013 at 6:51 pm #791178
Oh, I should clarify. I didn’t mean people were crucifying her on this thread, but initially on Facebook. It got pretty ugly and dragged on and on. Some were on personal threads with links to the VG Facebook page, and some were on Village Green FB page, which were removed at some point. Then another round when people started posting links to the media stories. I understand that actions will affect one’s business, and it disappointed me to see so much ugliness directed at Vera and one W.C. business pitted against another. White Center needs business and it doesn’t benefit anyone if businesses are destroyed. I understand that we don’t live in a vacuum – there have been plenty of consequences for Vera and Village Green because of her decision. I just think enough damage has arisen from this situation and I hate to see more comments (in this thread) about people not giving Village Green business because of the controversy.June 5, 2013 at 6:57 pm #791179
I heard about it, support(ed) Miranda’s decision to cancel Michelle’s performance, and then supported, promoted, and attended the follow-up benefit Miranda and Meander’s put on called ‘You Are Loved – A Big Gay Cabaret’ which ended up raising over $3k for queer youth. The acts were all AMAZING, the whole vibe of the event was indescribable, and it was capped off with a performance by Mary Lambert (she sang on Macklemore’s album, for the song “Same Love” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINGKrtG3iw) who had the audience in tears as we all sang, together, “Love is patient, love is kind…” (Plus Mary gives great hugs!)
That said, in talking to Miranda, who had a chance to sit down and actually speak to Michelle Shocked after all of this, it’s apparent that Ms. Shocked has some pretty serious issues to work through right now. It’s not at all an ‘excuse’, and her words were hurtful and, in keeping with her name, shocking. But the woman needs help. This goes beyond her getting kicked out of one venue and picked up by another. I hold no ill will toward her, as disappointed as I was to hear about all of this, and I sincerely hope she isn’t just laughed off as, “oh, that crazy woman who went on a rant about queers…” because it really does sound like she needs real, honest to goodness, medical/professional/emotional help.
As for Vera’s decision to host Michelle, I haven’t spoken with Vera and heard her side, so I really can’t say what my thoughts are there. In the end, we all have to make decisions as best we can and be prepared to deal with the aftermath of some of the less than popular ones.June 5, 2013 at 7:26 pm #791180
i wish i could support Village Green
I wish i could support Vera supporting her friend
but Vera went beyond the kind of support you give to a friend that you think is on her way off the rails
she gave the kind of support you give to a friend that you believe has been wronged.
I feel badly for Michelle… but she made choices that directly affected her viability in the community that supported her
not a good choice as Target found not so long ago
I feel badly for Vera.. but she also made choices that directly affected her viability in a community that supported her
I feel badly for Miranda who thought she had found a great place to live within Vera’s compound and suddenly found herself alienated from her landlord because of the outrage at Vera’s decision.
I also feel badly for Miranda that some people choose to characterize her choice not to host Michelle as a business decision and cite the increase in business she got from the alternate viewpoint she chose to support instead as proof.
Bottom line… a lot of us vote with our pocketbooks.. and any business that ignores that fact is likely to suffer as a result.
I choose not to support businesses that actively promote a homophobic agenda or discriminate against gays.
I have no idea whether Vera does or does not agree with the viewpoints expressed by Michelle…
but i do know that she gave her a venue in which those viewpoints could be expressed.
Until Vera gives me something more substantial to base my assessment on.. that is enough to lead me to express my green thumb elsewhere.
If losing the business of those of us who feel that way puts her out of business, i am truly sorry …
but the truth is that i went out of my way to support her last year and probably would have continued this year …
if i felt i could.June 5, 2013 at 8:07 pm #791181
People should be able to speak freely without fear of financial retaliation. Regardless of whether their view is mainstream. This kind of attack (so common from orgs such as NOM or Millions of Moms (not quite sure on the actual name)) doesn’t help society and it does not advance the message of equality. It further pushes people into their own camps.June 5, 2013 at 8:30 pm #791182
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