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January 15, 2013 at 5:48 pm #782094
JustSarahParticipantKimberley: IMO, yes. Of course if you want to get strict on the law, cats should not be outside unleashed… so theoretically, the owner would know when the cat pooped and would clean up after it.
But we all know that isn’t the case. On my block alone, I believe we have about eight outdoor cats. I know at least a couple like to hang out in our backyard, probably because we have no cat or dog to threaten them (but do have lots of cute little birds hanging around, thanks to our fruit trees). I wish these cats were exclusively indoors, but that’s mostly for their own health and safety. I have yet to come across cat poop in our yard, and the cats are all tame and friendly.
Hairballs, on the other hand…
January 15, 2013 at 6:08 pm #782095
proudpugetridgerParticipantWhoa–I’m a bit shocked to find all this in response to my stupidity.
First, and most importantly, I’m sorry if this offended any of you. And I’m especially sorry if I somehow impacted your sense of safety or security.
As I read this topic I was chuckling about how serious it seemed to be. At one point I remembered somebody making a statement about “taking a dump” in response to one of my previous posts regarding Nickelsville. I figured I’d find/attach that text to this thread, simply in a (lame, in hindsight!) attempt to throw a little humor in this discussion. I was surprised to see that it was actually Cait that made the comment, so I (rather naively) thought I’d include her name. NO aggression or anger was intended. And, in hindsight, I realize how stupid it was to include her name. So…again, I’m sincerely sorry to Cait for my woeful error in judgment, please accept my apology. My bad, for sure!
Mike, I’m not sure what fueled your observations…but I apologize to you as well. My intention in commenting on the Nickelsville situation was entirely intended to express my opinion about the encampment so close to my neighborhood. I don’t remember any direct or inappropriate comments against individuals, but am sorry if it appeared that way. Rest assured, there are not axes grinding here.
January 15, 2013 at 7:57 pm #782096
funkietooParticipant@ proudpugetridger, thank you for explaining your rationale/sense of humor, and for realizing how some of us could see it in a threatening light. Not everyone is willing to ‘step back’ and then say, ‘I’m sorry, my bad’.
January 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm #782097
singularnameParticipantOkay. Is it legal to not clean up the bird poop if it’s fueled by my neighbor’s fruit trees?
January 15, 2013 at 8:05 pm #782098
KK50ParticipantTo dump dog poop, or carry, that is the question:
Whether ’tis Nobler to dump in thy neighbors trash and suffer The Slings and Arrows of insults, threats and accusations
Or to take it home against a Sea of troubles….
January 15, 2013 at 11:14 pm #782099
pjmanleyParticipantI want redblack, skeeter, and waterworld as neighbors. Dyn99? Never. It’s about respecting other people and their property and not using twisted logic and false dichotomies to justify irresponsible, anti-social behavior. The City owns the can? Really? So I don’t have all the rights and responsibilities of a garbage can “owner” like getting fined if I leave them out too long, etc. Okay. Believe what you must.
Poopyheads: You’re on my dime in my can, so curb your “mommy’s so proud of you” entitlement and carry your poop back to your own can, unless or until you ask permission to use mine, and – and here’s the key – I grant it. That’s what a good neighbor does.
January 15, 2013 at 11:28 pm #782100
skeeterParticipantamen pjmanley. amen.
In one sense, we already are neighbors. My family lives in West Seattle and I suspect you do to!!
My observation is that folks like Dyn99 are the exception. Most people in West Seattle, or anywhere in this country, are sensitive to the preferences of others.
January 16, 2013 at 12:30 am #782101
dyn99ParticipantSeriously?
You guys live in a city with 600,000 people – in fact, nearly 4 million in the metro area.
If you are really that concerned about dog crap in your garbage can (especially in a neatly tied bag on the day your garbage is being picked up), why do you live in the city?
I’m amazed at this kind of nit-picky, legalistic attitude from West Seattleites. I could understand it from folks in Bellevue or Mercer Island, but not here.
Have none of you lived in higher-density neighborhoods? Or maybe it’s that you still think West Seattle exists in the 1950’s?
If so, you’re in for a shock. The peninsula will get more crowded, and little things like someone else’s dog poop in your garbage can will be the least of your concerns.
You’ll all think I’m the nicest damn person you’ve ever met compared to the millennial hipsters that will be moving in…
January 16, 2013 at 1:09 am #782102
skeeterParticipantExactly dyn99! There are 600,000 people. That’s why we are respectful of other people’s wishes. If you were the only person living in Seattle, then no one would care where you put your dog’s poop. But since you’re *not* the only person living in Seattle, we prefer you to put your dog poop in your own trash can or a public trash can or the trash can of a person who gives you permission.
You keep mentioning Bellevue and Mercer Island. Are you saying that people in Bellevue and Mercer Island are respectful of their neighbor’s wishes but here in West Seattle we don’t strive for that same goal?
January 16, 2013 at 1:24 am #782103
pjmanleyParticipantBlade Runner, Escape from New York or Terminator may be our future, indeed. All the more reason we should cherish the neighborly values of asking permission to borrow or use something, whereupon reasonable requests are rarely denied and mutual respect and goodwill flourish. Or we can fatalistically say, it barely matters compared to other, bigger things, so I’ll do what I deem reasonable, regardless of what other’s think or want. Now, imagine 600k others each operating by their own preferences and whims, and lets see what kind of dog-eat-dog society that gets us. No thanks. Decry the little things, but it’s the little things that make all the difference. Ask any person, in any relationship, of any kind, anywhere.
January 16, 2013 at 1:40 am #782104
jwwsParticipantThe life of this post is amazing! I personally have no problem with someone depositing their dog poop bag in my trash while it is on the curb waiting to be picked up, after all it will be gone before I take my garbage can back to its storage spot. That said, I can see where people would not be appreciative of a bagged doggie deposit in their EMPTY trash can, which full disclosure has happened to me twice in the past month (and Dyn99 lives nearby, so I wonder ;-)..) While I have 2 dogs and deposit their poop in my trash I don’t appreciate someone dropping their deposit in my empty can since then I have to pick it up, line my can with a trash bag and then redeposit it. So perhaps the poopyheads can refrain from dumping in empty trash cans (and Yardwaste/recycle bins) and just deposit in trash waiting to be picked up that day – what harm does that cause?
January 16, 2013 at 2:43 am #782105
SmittyParticipantWhen the only defense is “relax dude” the discussion is over.
January 16, 2013 at 3:29 am #782106
CaitParticipantCharacteristics of a moral panic, according to Wikipedia:
Concern – There must be awareness that the behaviour of the group or category in question is likely to have a negative impact on society.
Hostility – Hostility towards the group in question increases, and they become “folk devils”. A clear division forms between “them” and “us”.
Consensus – Though concern does not have to be nationwide, there must be widespread acceptance that the group in question poses a very real threat to society. It is important at this stage that the “moral entrepreneurs” are vocal and the “folk devils” appear weak and disorganised.
Disproportionality – The action taken is disproportionate to the actual threat posed by the accused group.
Volatility – Moral panics are highly volatile and tend to disappear as quickly as they appeared due to a wane in public interest or news reports changing to another topic.
So – it looks to me like it’s time for a new topic. How about off leash dogs? Bicyclists?
January 16, 2013 at 4:43 am #782107
JanSParticipantThe weather?
January 16, 2013 at 6:01 am #782108
CaitParticipantCold weather makes me hostile!
January 16, 2013 at 6:06 am #782109
JKBParticipantThe ice is definitely dyn99’s fault. Or possibly hooper’s…
January 16, 2013 at 6:08 am #782110
CaitParticipantWhere does ice get off thinking that it can just hang out on my car! The audacity!
January 16, 2013 at 3:48 pm #782111
56bricksParticipantApparently Cait and dyn love their dogs but neither their dogs poop nor their neighbors. Aaah,liberal,progressive,entitled Seattlites. But you have to understand, IT IS all about me and what I want.
January 16, 2013 at 4:50 pm #782112
CaitParticipantWhat’s better? Me NEVER having done what’s described in this thread or you falsly judging your neighbor based on a lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, I’m feeling pretty good about my choices right now.
January 16, 2013 at 4:58 pm #782113
CaitParticipantWho would you rather live next to? A) Someone who minds their own business and is kind to you. B) Someone who is preoccupied with what you do with your trashcan? The neighbor argument doesn’t hold water when the person you’re including in your little rant isn’t a “poopyhead” themselves.
I know my answer is A so all this junk about who would and wouldn’t want to be my neighbor based on what I do with my own trashcan? Right back atcha.
January 16, 2013 at 6:26 pm #782114
pjmanleyParticipantMake that faux-Liberal 56. Real liberals walk the walk. Entitled faux-liberals only talk the talk, while others clean up after them and pick up the tab.
What I don’t get is the “ick” factor with dog poop. Haven’t those grossed out by dog poop ever changed a baby? Or will you some day? How can a dog owner not get over being grossed out by it’s poop? It’s only biological body waste, formerly eaten by your pup. Bag it and put it in your own trash, even if you must carry it back home. Big deal! What is so burdensome or gross about that? That’s what I call “minding your own business.” Conversely, using my can without my permission is definitively not “minding your own business.” It’s involuntarily involving me in your business, perhaps against my will. Again, it’s called respect, versus presumptiveness, entitlement, and arrogance. If people simply had manners and common courtesy, this thread would’ve died days ago.
January 16, 2013 at 6:30 pm #782115
CaitParticipantIf people stopped with the false equivalancies between people who don’t pitch a fit when someone else throws dog poop in their can and people who are actually doing it, it would have been over days ago.
January 16, 2013 at 6:32 pm #782116
pjmanleyParticipantCait: You’ve lost me.
January 16, 2013 at 6:43 pm #782117
dyn99ParticipantPeople who realistically think they can “disappear” into a city of 600,000 people are dreaming.
Look at it this way: People are moving into WS. More people. Younger people.
Dog poop in your trash can on garbage day is the least of your concerns.
Pulling hypodermic needles from your bamboo bush? Much more concerning. Not to mention drug paraphernalia, beer cans, 7-11 cups, etc.
Coming from Ballard (which I left a few years ago), and seeing what the development did (many good things, some bad), if you’re really worried about me putting my dog crap in your garbage on garbage day for a few hours, you’re going to hate that WS will become.
It’s happening people, right before your eyes.
Feel free to try and dig a hole and put your head in it. At some point, you’re going to realize that dog poop is really minor in the scheme of things.
January 16, 2013 at 8:06 pm #782118
skeeterParticipantDyn99
I agree with you that dog poop is a small issue.
I also agree with you that the legal technicalities are a small issue. As you point out, there is no practical way to enforce the law. As you also point out, many people break the law when they exceed the speed limit by 1 MPH.
My concern is we have a neighbor who is aware that his activity is bothersome, yet chooses to do it anyway. That seems selfish to me. And I don’t think I’m alone.
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