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June 10, 2012 at 2:45 pm #759849
kootchmanMemberThey don’t?… BTW they also make 75K a year to do the same job at the same pay grade I made about 500 bucks a month for. I took the deal they offered,. The current vets god bless them, also don’t get hooks, they get million dollar prosthetics. The fact that I get the calls proves MY point… take care of yourself. They did pay Job … about 170K for my nuero and cervical surgery.. they paid promptly. I carried catastrophic coverage. Iwas out of pocket 10 grand… my maximum.. And yes JoB they do get benefits, drugs being one of them. You are talking as great authority of something you know nothing about… Jimmy Carter put means testing into the equation. I earned my entitlements.. I did something in exchange for promises… a contract… but they place limits during the Carter years… funny how that works… other civil servants get their packages of promises… not even reduced.. just limited in expansion and tied to the economic fate of the taxpayer… and liberals go nuts.. when Carter tried to cut Vet benefits it was a rousing silence from the left. we remember…we were still the detritus class.
See minimum duty section. The big diff? At these pay scales, the GI Bill requires matching dollars for post service education.
Here.. get educated. And read the last section on enhanced eligibility. See that? Income threshold. last bullet point.
June 10, 2012 at 2:58 pm #759850
JoBParticipantkootch..
you best hope those bean counters don’t get their mitts on your deal because it isn’t written in stone.
those same bean counters tried to take away benefits for world war II vets when they realized the old gents were expensive in their golden years…
and there were a whole lot less of them than boomers…
ultimately, they failed, but in the process they shifted a lot of them to private managed care insurance that covered less and cost more.
as for those benefits you think our vets get?
not so much these days unless their illness is service related.
spending a little time talking with the vets at Nickelsville will add considerably to your education kootch. Too many of them are ill or injured vets and they aren’t in Nickelsville because they thought it would be a great place to camp.
i know a 3 term decorated vet who survived his helicopter’s ditch into the jungles of an un-named and politically unauthorized jungle whose lung cancer isn’t considered service related … and thus is not covered.
the VA will treat him.. at a price.
since he can’t work that price means he often goes without care.
you might think about how much you count on that government you think should shrink before you help those whose only motive is profit decimate it.
June 10, 2012 at 3:01 pm #759851
kootchmanMemberOh yes it is… see that section pre 1980 service? we took old Jimmy to the Supreme Court… the federal government lost. Big time. That;s why vets vote for Republicans… It is as cast in stone and your beloved Roe v Wade… and the VFW ranks are full again as the American Legion is too. we are the Republican trifecta… Vet groups the core of the NRA, and the ones who “know” just how much to trust Uncle Renege Sam….
June 10, 2012 at 3:13 pm #759852
kootchmanMemberThat is pure bullshit… if his service is verified get his DD 214 and the VFW, AL will have him in the center pronto. If he is living at N’ville
see this?
Certain Veterans may be afforded enhanced eligibility status when applying and enrolling in the VA health care system. Veterans who
Are a Former Prisoner of War (POW) – Is a person who, while serving in the active military, naval, or air service, was forcibly detained or interned in the line of duty.
In receipt of the Purple Heart Medal.
In receipt of the Medal of Honor.
Have a VA awarded service-connected disability of 10% or more.
In receipt of a VA Pension.
Were discharged or separated for medical reasons, early out, or hardship.
Were discharged from the military because of a disability (not preexisting)
Are found by VA to be Catastrophically Disabled.
Previous years’ household income is below VA’s National Income or Geographical-Adjusted Thresholds.
He meets three criteria.. and Laos and Cambodia incursions are not big dark bogey man secrets… or the incursions into North Viet Nam … someone is bullshitting someone.
Ha ha ha…. “the jungles of an un-named and politically unauthorized jungle” Hell JoB you can go online and get the names of the flight crews, units involved, copes of the orders, serial numbers of the lost choppers, gun ships. fighters.. and the MIA’s etc….this is such crap. Finally the supreme overreach. If he ever ferried Agent Orange, landed with rotor wash on an LZ or base that stored, supplied, loaded defoliant he is a special categpry still. If he was in country three tours.. and an air crew, he has traces in his body.
June 10, 2012 at 5:22 pm #759853
JoBParticipantkootch..
do you honestly believe that Laos and Cambodia are the only jungles in which our military has clandestinely operated?
or that this country stopped going to war in 1980?
or that all vets who are unable to work live at Nickelsville?
i suggested you spend some time with the vets at Nickelsville because they are easy to access…
and if they are wrong about what benefits they have coming to them
they sure could use some help
why don’t you let me know how that works out Kootch?
wouldn’t i love to be “proven” wrong.
I am sure that if you work at it you will find at least one vet for whom an advocate would make a difference.
i know i did.
June 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm #759854
kootchmanMemberNo.. I’ve been in jungles in Central America too. I forgot those. There is this “thing” called an SRB… or service record book. If they were deployed it’s in there. The fnatastamgaorical “black ops” conspiracist era is over. Jan Fonda is just an old woman trying to stay relevant. Now, there may be some deep ops whose specifics are not exactly brought to light, like the kill team for narco civilians… but those were CIA ops.
See this statement “i know a 3 term decorated vet who survived his helicopter’s ditch into the jungles of an un-named and politically unauthorized jungle whose lung cancer isn’t considered service related … and thus is not covered.” They don’t decorate clandestine ops..and I have copies of every unit citation, every individual citation, every “Bravo Zulu” from Admirals to generals and even one from Nixon himself. . Someone is making fairy tales to tell around the campfire or pulling your leg. I just gave you the copy of the VA regulations. And you would argue those? There is no such thing as a politically unauthorized mysterious jungle war… who do you think sends them? NCA … national command authority.. aka presidential order # ( ) … generals just send out helicopters on combat or combat support missions for the hoot of it? How would they explain the loss of men and equipment? Ya think the State Department would’t know? Helicopters have a service radius of hundreds, not thousands of miles.. they need fuel, mechanics, avionics, support bases, re-supply… all approved by the host government.. and they have to sign a status of forces agreement… cross border incursions? Sure… like Laos, Cambodia, NV… but within a couple hundred miles or less of a permanent support base. Unless the resources came in from the sea via a Marine MEU… but it’s hard to keep secrets with the thousands of sailors and Marines that would be involved.
http://www.longtermcarelink.net/ref_veterans_consultants.htm
http://www.vfw.org/Assistance/National-Veterans-Service/
http://www.legion.org/veteransbenefits
Service Benefits Catagory 5
Nonservice-connected Veterans and noncompensable Service-connected Veterans rated 0%, whose annual income and/or net worth are not greater than the VA financial thresholds.
All they need is their DD 214 … aka “discharge papers”… now, if they were dishonorably discharged, and have no service connected disability.. well .. that’s a no brainer. JoB? we even have VA Homes in every state in the Union. OK. little old OK has 8 of them. Liberals would rather reward those who gave no service to anyone for any reason… they used to be called soldiers and sailors homes.
Again… here are the basic quals…
Basic Eligibility
A person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable may qualify for VA health care benefits. Reservists and National Guard members may also qualify for VA health care benefits if they were called to active duty (other than for training only) by a Federal order and completed the full period for which they were called or ordered to active duty.
Minimum Duty Requirements: Veterans who enlisted after Sept. 7, 1980, or who entered active duty after Oct. 16, 1981, must have served 24 continuous months or the full period for which they were called to active duty in order to be eligible. This minimum duty requirement may not apply to veterans discharged for hardship, early out or a disability incurred or aggravated in the line of duty.
They might even need to be at N’Ville…
Here are the WA state veterans homes…. NASVH National Association of State Veterans Homes, A has three of them. Retsil WA, Orting,WA and Spokane, WA
Retsil ….. this is how tough it is to get in..
To be eligible for admission to the Home, applicants must meet the following criteria:
Served at any time, in any branch, of the US Armed Forces, including National Guard
Discharged under honorable conditions
Washington State resident
Spouse or widow of eligible veteran
http://www.nasvh.org/dir_statehomes/stateHome.cfm?ID=119
Orting
To be eligible for admission to the Home, applicants must meet the following criteria:
Veterans with 90 days of service
Discharged under honorable conditions
Washington State resident
Meet certain income guidelines. Spouses, widows and widowers of eligible veterans are authorized to be admitted.
http://www.nasvh.org/dir_statehomes/stateHome.cfm?ID=118
Spokane
To be eligible for admission to the Home, applicants must meet the following criteria:
Served at any time, in any branch, of the US Armed Forces, including National Guard
Discharged under honorable conditions
Washington State resident
Spouse or widow of eligible veteran
They even provide transportation to VA Hospitals, provide meds, glasses, laundry…
They won’t come looking for you. But there ya go… links for advocacy groups out the ying yang…. and if they take bus up the hill, there is a VA counseling center at the VA hospital, VF and American Legion volunteers.
They make the appointment .. I will take them.
June 11, 2012 at 2:07 am #759855
JoBParticipantkootch..
and who said that this vet was decorated for a clandestine op?
He served 3 terms after all…
or that this vet doesn’t know what his options are?
in your rush to prove me wrong you are willing to bad mouth a vet kootch…
how wrong is that ?
June 11, 2012 at 4:28 am #759856
kootchmanMemberyou said hw was decorated. I said he has been decorated, therefore he meets multiple criteria for VA benefits if he was awarded decorations he had to come out the dark at some time. It’s a fishy story.. They are other evidences he qualifies. PCU’,s all kinds of stuff. I sent along a list of resources… you are nit picking the deal here… the guy is a qualified vet… you say he is being denied mandated care because it was not service incurred… there is no such rule….. just plain old poverty makes ya VA eligible…
June 11, 2012 at 2:11 pm #759857
JoBParticipantkootch..
shame on you
you have done it again
“It’s a fishy story..”
you really ought to do some volunteer work dude.
you are living in the land of should…
not the land of reality
“just plain old poverty makes ya VA eligible…”
if only. that statement depends both on when you served and what rank you had when you served.
June 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm #759858
kootchmanMemberOh good lord, here we go again…. it has nothing NOTHING to do with rank. Lifted directly fromt the VA web site…. this as pointless as your war on women… by god when you have a notion… no evidence, even the VA publication will sway you….which has been linked, and directly quoted. I did again cause it still has a fish odor to it…. poverty is an eligibility mandate… if you were a three star or a private.. if your income falls to the level of below poverty.. you get service … RANK is not, has NEVER BEEEN … used as criteria for VA Services… shame on you for spreading such falsehoods.
Jobism
if only. that statement depends both on when you served and what rank you had when you served.
Truism
Previous years’ household income is below VA’s National Income or Geographical-Adjusted Thresholds.
I don’t care if you believe it or not ….you don’t know a thing about the VA system. That I can conclude. Other then it’s initials…
June 12, 2012 at 3:28 am #759859
JoBParticipantkootch..
what i know are vets who aren’t getting what you think they should be getting from the VA…
for some reason you persist in thinking that those of us who actually spend time helping others are some kind of naive idiots who will buy any story that comes along as long as it is wrapped in a a pitiful look.
You underestimate us.
I get my info trying to help those who aren’t getting what you think they should.
you get yours from a website.
which of us do you think has more first hand experience and knowledge of this subject?
i’ll give you a hint.
It isn’t you.
June 12, 2012 at 4:12 am #759860
kootchmanMemberI am sitting at a computer screen. what would I send you? I spent many YEARS working with veteran issues..many. You got some solid, good, reliable information. And contacts. Do with them as you please. Or not. Ya got the rules for eligibility. The contacts and resources for VA counselors. You either don’t have the “full” story or someone just doesn’t want into the system. Like I said they won’t come looking for them. You make statements of fact.. like “if only. that statement depends both on when you served and what rank you had when you served.” that are flat out wrong.. and then get huffy when you are shown, linked, information that is au contraire’ … published by the VA no less. Ok then. it’s a dead end here.
June 12, 2012 at 4:28 am #759861
JanSParticipantwow..Kootch..you really should be running all the shows, since you are again the “expert” on everything. Sometimes things don’t happen the way they should. After all, you’re dealing with the gov’t., and with gov’.t rules, that somehow get complicated along the way.
Demeaning JoB or anyone else the way you do accomplishes nothing. You have spent years? When?Recently? When do you have time, what with all the other things you volunteer at, for goodness sake. Yes, you should lend your expertise with some of these guys..not last year, now..oh, and women, too, who weren’t always given benefits, by the way.It was a tiered thing, and damned difficult to get. Obviously, these vets need your help in showing them the way. It would lessen your computer time…but hey, sacrifices…whaddya say?
June 12, 2012 at 5:28 am #759862
singularnameParticipantVA care is there for the asking. If one doesn’t receive the care he or his family member thinks is necessary, persistence and a willingness to spend 6 or so hours on the premises (in some cases, multiple times) will usually get you what you want in a worst-case scenario. To debate with the nurses (and a doctor if he or she is willing), you need to arm yourself with Internet data–this will make a difference. In my experience (3 vets), that persistence does *not* translate into getting the 5% chance of success treatments. And as you can imagine, different VAs offer a variance of service quality. If your NV vet pal *wants* the care, he can get it. (And should that be “bad behavior,” IYO, on my part, that is precisely what I told 2 of the 3 vets I advocated for, with one coming to an almost knock down/drag out–but I was younger, faster, and stronger than him … and I had the car keys.)
June 12, 2012 at 7:12 am #759863
kootchmanMemberI corrected job … who posted one string of BS after the other, factually incorrect and she got called on it..but persists on. Reread the posts JaN.. if you are going to be a NV ad hoc Vet counselor …. get the right informations. There are courses of action, Not as interesting as saying, as the system is so unjust, uncaring, unresponsive… etc etc .. Hey, I spent 20 years in the AL and VFW when that hole on the hill was passing for a VA facility. Like I said,… they won’t come looking for ya… the list for counselors and resources was attached… use it or don’t. I also know a lot of Vets that will not go to a VA center at gunpoint. Poor Jan… I didn’t need to be an expert.. the VA isn;t hiding their web site… just look. I said anyone that needed a ride to an appointment , I would do it. This actually is an err on the side of the vet center.. some are staffed by nasty cretins with bureacratic obstacles, but as singularbane his aotly stated … they need a tune up every now and then.. That;s what the various links were for… advocacy resources. Use em or lose em’ Jeesh … Seattle compared to say.. Buffalo NY is a piece of cake since they built the new hospital and it was sanitized by mass firings.
Statement like this aren’t diverse opinion.. they are WRONG
“”i know a 3 term decorated vet who survived his helicopter’s ditch into the jungles of an un-named and politically unauthorized jungle whose lung cancer isn’t considered service related … and thus is not covered.””
I gave reasons after reasons why he would be qualified… and what do i get… this one…
if only. that statement depends both on when you served and what rank you had when you served.
Not a word is true… and I patiently referenced the sections on eligibility… including poverty… and the divergance of coverage post 1980.. which is means testing… hardly a problem for an NV resident… not a single reference to rank in the VA charter statement or eligibility rules.
One LAST time … the basic eligibility INCLUDING the changes made after 1981…
Basic Eligibility
A person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable may qualify for VA health care benefits. Reservists and National Guard members may also qualify for VA health care benefits if they were called to active duty (other than for training only) by a Federal order and completed the full period for which they were called or ordered to active duty.
Minimum Duty Requirements: Veterans who enlisted after Sept. 7, 1980, or who entered active duty after Oct. 16, 1981, must have served 24 continuous months or the full period for which they were called to active duty in order to be eligible. This minimum duty requirement may not apply to veterans discharged for hardship, early out or a disability incurred or aggravated in the line of duty.
June 12, 2012 at 10:13 am #759864
JanSParticipantKootch…you know I’m a vet…right? I advocate for myself, thank you very much.
awwww..poor Jan…how stupid she is…not.Wow..you really get carried away, don’t you. Quit with the poor Jan, how deluded crap, OK?
June 12, 2012 at 10:16 am #759865
JanSParticipantoh…and in that paragraph..it says “MAY” qualify, not “WILL” qualify…
June 12, 2012 at 3:11 pm #759866
JoBParticipantkootch..
reading comprehension really does make a difference
in this case.. it is the difference between the land of should and the land of what is.
singularname…
did i understand your point correctly?
are you really saying that any vet who needs care and isn’t getting is simply doens’t want it enough?
You do know that our local vets hospital was lately taken to task for under-reporting and under-treating PTSD don’t you?
Do you think that was because the vets in Seattle didn’t need or want treatment?
June 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm #759867
JoBParticipantkootch..
I don’t know where you got this mistaken notion that liberals in general and female liberals in particular are some kind of soft headed idiots who mean well but really don’t understand what is going on…
but i am going to tell you categorically that that notion is full of bull pucky.
I for one am tired of pandering to you hiding behind your patronizing attitude.
you continually malign and misrepresent statements from female posters without ever bothering to add anything substantive to the conversation.
Man up and cut the dismissive crap kootch.
i earned my brass plated ….. in much tougher competition than you ever had to face…
being “just” a woman in a man’s world isn’t for sissies… or fools…
no matter how much you would like to convince yourself it is.
June 13, 2012 at 12:31 am #759868
kootchmanMemberUh huh… you got some new information and false information corrected. Use it or don’t. Please don’t promulgate things you think are true. Especially to vets. I don’t presume to speak for singularname.. but yea, government agencies are JUST like that… remember that next time the song bird of bigger government wants to control the entire health care industry… sometimes ya gotta overcome the tendency for bureaucrats to treat you like citizens and not customers. When you are sick.. you may need an advocate. In the olden days, when more than 1% of the population served, there were more advocates including family. The VF or AL will guide them through the morass. My post indeed had substance, well documented substance. Poor JaN step in with this.. we let ya slide on a lot of it.. but not all of it… “wow..Kootch..you really should be running all the shows, since you are again the “expert” on everything”
June 13, 2012 at 12:44 am #759869
kootchmanMemberDiversion.. strategy…
You do know that our local vets hospital was lately taken to task for under-reporting and under-treating PTSD don’t you?
No I didn’t know. Please show me a link to that, that would be an outrage after all the litigation the “old” Seattle VA got caught for underreporting ….I know Madigan got pilloried for that, but Madigan is not a VA facility …
Eligibility for care was the issue. Now we throw in gender, sexism. lack of perfection, … the VA system will find him eligible. He is elegible.
June 13, 2012 at 1:38 am #759870
JoBParticipantkootch..
guess what kootch..
your repeatedly saying that vets are eligible makes just about as much difference to those vets who don’t get medical care from the VA for anything that is not service related…
as the people who tell me my illness is just a matter of attitude does to me..
it doens’t change a single thing for any of us.
June 13, 2012 at 4:34 am #759871
The Velvet BulldogParticipantWell gosh, far be it from me to bring the conversation back to where it originated, but I just thought I’d share a few letters I just received from my health insurance company:
Letter 1) Your coverage will now cost over $350 per month.
Letter 2) We are no longer covering that really important prescription that you need.
Letter 3) We are limiting your visits to that really important health care provider you need to see.
I did mention I’ve been unemployed for three years right? So pulling extra money out of my butt (now THERE’S a medical condition I’d be happy to have…) is going to be rather difficult.
I actually did have a health insurance rep admit to me that they are boosting costs in advance of Obama’s health care plan. I also just read that health care companies have had their most profitable year EVER.
So, on the one hand, we seem to agree that we need some sort of system to take care of people. But on the other hand, we allow that system to screw the people it’s supposed to be taking care of.
No wonder we’re confused.
June 13, 2012 at 1:56 pm #759872
miwsParticipantJune 13, 2012 at 2:52 pm #759873
JoBParticipantTVB
“I actually did have a health insurance rep admit to me that they are boosting costs in advance of Obama’s health care plan. I also just read that health care companies have had their most profitable year EVER.”
that answers hoop’s question, doesn’t it?
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