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May 31, 2008 at 6:58 am #618167
JanSParticipantNR…none of us can hold Barack Obama responsible for everything that’s said in his church…that’s crazy. This man was on his own..it’s a non -issue, just like it would be a non-issue if it was John McCain’s church…please stop reading things into whatever when there’s nothing to read into it.
And…as some of the news people stated…I sure would like to know who the people behind him laughing hysterically are.
May 31, 2008 at 6:59 am #618168
JanSParticipantErik…gotta love Chuck Keating..:)
May 31, 2008 at 7:16 am #618169
TrickParticipantRick Renzi
Congressman Rick Renzi indicted on 35 Counts: “A federal grand jury has indicted Republican U.S. Rep. Richard Renzi of Arizona on 35 criminal counts including conspiracy, wire fraud, money laundering and official extortion, according to court papers unsealed on Friday’ [ Reuters, 2/22/08]
McCain Named Indicted Congressman Rick Renzi to To Co-Chair his “Arizona Leadership Team” In January 2008.
May 31, 2008 at 7:26 am #618170
AnonymousInactiveNot to thrilled with all his lobbyist aides either. Especially the ones who worked with the Burmese Military Junta. Haven’t 5 had to resign his campaign now.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/18/AR2008051802212.html?hpid=topnews
May 31, 2008 at 4:46 pm #618171
beachdrivegirlParticipantMcCain would not even fire Renzi from his campaign. Renzi actually had to resign.
May 31, 2008 at 4:53 pm #618172
beachdrivegirlParticipantRep Robert Wexler did an amazing job this morning. Snaps to him! :)
May 31, 2008 at 4:58 pm #618173
beachdrivegirlParticipantI think it is very unfortunate that 43% of the committee deciding on Michigan and Florida today support Clinton and Obama only has about 27% of the committees support.
May 31, 2008 at 5:04 pm #618174
AnonymousInactiveBDG, that may be true, but I was reading an article yesterday quoting a Hillary supporter from the DNC. He still was able to see the reality of the situation. Said something to the effect…you don’t fix rule breaking by making new rules.
May 31, 2008 at 5:06 pm #618175
bcollinsMemberIt’s all good. The states are all on board with the approaches being proposed. It’s the national bosses who will screw things up…if it happens.
May 31, 2008 at 5:11 pm #618176
AnonymousInactiveMcCain Campaign manager Rick Davis’s lobbying firm has business ties to Iran (reported today). So Obama associates are pastors with big mouths that SAY stupid things. McCain employees like to WORK with terrorist sympathizers and evil militias. Which has a bigger effect on our country and the decisions a commander in chief would make?
May 31, 2008 at 7:32 pm #618177
AnonymousInactiveJT – You cannot seriously be implying that McCain has more and/or stronger ties to terrorist organizations than Obama.
Haven’t certain terrorist groups actually come out and endorsed Obama?
May 31, 2008 at 7:37 pm #618178
AnonymousInactiveYou can’t seriously be implying because the Hamas say they want Obama to win, that is an endorsement.
McCains hired employees other job is working on behalf of these groups.
May 31, 2008 at 7:43 pm #618179
AnonymousInactiveMay 31, 2008 at 7:52 pm #618180
AnonymousInactiveFrom Political Radar:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/obama-hits-mcca.html
“Many fine people may have a conflict that is not reconcilable. Barack Obama’s dragging the names of good people through the mud publicly is the worst type of character assassination,” McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement.
The McCain campaign turned the tables, saying that Obama himself has not released the names of his advisors.
Bounds also brought up Obama’s relationship with Willam Ayers, a member of the terrorist organization, the Weather Underground.
“Just a few years ago when Barack Obama was beginning his career in politics he was launching it at the home of William Ayers, an unrepentant domestic terrorist who his chief strategist said Senator Obama was certainly friendly with. If Barack Obama is going to make associations the issue, we look forward to the debate about Senator Obama’s associations and what they say about his judgment and readiness to be commander in chief,” Bounds wrote.
May 31, 2008 at 8:09 pm #618181
AnonymousInactiveThis is good news for Obama too.
Former Bush donors now giving to Obama
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/39067.html
Also, a fun study I read last night. NPR (yes, leans liberal, NR) hired a republic polling group and a Democrat polling group. When the subjects were not told which party had a specific plan/view, even the Republicans by a large margin agreed with the Democrat platform.
http://joshkahn.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/npr-national-may-08.pdf
May 31, 2008 at 9:21 pm #618182
AnonymousInactiveOk, so we can’t “technically” say the Hamas have endorsed Obama, however, doesn’t it make you *a little* uneasy that they “want him to win”?
May 31, 2008 at 11:00 pm #618183
charlabobParticipantObama and his family resigned from Trinity Church today — http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/31/report-obama-resigns-from_n_104488.html
He’s going to make a statement later tonight. I can’t help wondering if this is connected with any deal he made to be more electible. And I can’t help being sad.
May 31, 2008 at 11:27 pm #618184
JanSParticipantNR…maybe I’m crazy, but , no, it makes no impact on me that Hamas has endorsed anyone. Why would I pay attention to that? They don’t have a say in anything we do in this country. I am not influenced by things like that…maybe others are. What you’re implying is that somehow Mr. Obama is in their pocket? Is that what you’re saying? Or that because of thie endorsement that he will somehow favor them? Or that this goes back to the fact that some have eluded to him being Muslim?
We’re intelligent (I hope) people….we can make up our own minds here. Hamas did it to make some kind of point…but…they have no bearing in anything regarding this presidential election, IMO. It’s simply reading something into it that doesn’t exist.
Charla…I just heard about him resigning from his church. I suppose it had to happen sooner or later.I’m sure it was a difficult decision for him, and I’m not at all sure how I feel about it.
June 1, 2008 at 12:30 am #618185
beachdrivegirlParticipantWow! What a day! Obama now only needs 68 more delegates to clinch the nomination. Considering, he is projected to receive about 46 through the last comments that means he needs roughly 22 super delegates to end this race.
It is very sad that obama felt he had to leave his church like that.
June 1, 2008 at 1:32 am #618186
AnonymousInactiveI’m not really trying to imply anything, JanS. I’m just stating a fact.
Do you have any thoughts on WHY they might want him to win this election? I know that you said they are making some kind of point, but I can’t see what point that would be.
I can’t understand why it is “sad” that Obama has resigned from an extremely racist church. Had he been a little more clever, he never would have been there and forged such close relationships in the first place.
Just my $0.02 on the whole “church” issue.
June 1, 2008 at 1:36 am #618187
walfredoMemberCharla- it is unfortunate that this is the end result for Obama and this church… His interview this evening was not his best.
The church really has given him no other option. Obviously what we’ve already heard and seen about Rev. Wright is going to be a part of the general election campaign. It is just too big of a liability and a wild card, to have the news follow whatever sermon is said at Trinity that week. Rev. Fleger even referred to the fact that what he was about to say is going to be “youtubed” before he went into his speech. You can’t let that dictate the campaign…
I have a different take on today then BeachDrGrl. I thought the entire exercise was disgraceful and really shows the extreme weakness inherent to much of the DNC establishment. Obama conceded to things that made no logical sense, and punished him for obeying the rules set forth by the committee. He did so, obviously because he could, and as an attempt to unify the party.
Now, Clinton got her big victory, in that Mich and Florida now have results, and trust me- tonight she will continue to question Obama’s legitimacy, make her popular vote argument, and her spokespeople like Ickes, will continue with the notion that the party “hijacked” delegates from her.
Clinton supporters will still be on Mars, and feel unrepresented. Obama supporters will feel like there candidate gave more then was necessary. Clinton is going to declare victory Sunday night, and Obama will actually hit the magic number and win on Tuesday night.
The Clinton supporters chanting “MCCain” outside of the meeting today were disgraceful. The reason we aren’t hearing more of this from Obama’s side is because he is obviously going to be the nominee…
All in all, I would say this was one of the worst days for the democratic party in recent memory. And I can’t help remind, that 100% of these problems with Florida and Michigan were self-inflected.
My other thought, the few minutes I watched the spectacle that took place today. Was, if there is enough time and money to put this event on, why exactly with 4 or so months to plan, wouldn’t a re-vote be an option? A fair primary, that would end all of this rhetoric, and actually be democratic and pick a nominee. Most census analysis and polling data show Obama would win Michigan, and be much closer in Florida then the results. So please, don’t anyone pretend this ruling did him some great favor. Aside from giving away delegates to his opponent, there is this shroud of illegitimacy, that Clinton will continue to hammer, and that will linger
As an Obama supporter, the goalposts got moved, my candidate caved into pure evil and cynicism from his opponent, but like has been the case this whole election he did so with strength, and he secured the nomination with a compromise. He now need 20 or so supers out of over 200 undecided to clinch… So it’s a win, but under the worst possible circumstances, which were brought on by a completely incompetent DNC.
June 1, 2008 at 3:03 am #618188
AnonymousInactiveI think it’s *sad* any of the candidates has to prove their religious credentials to run for a *secular* job. What other place of employment requires this craziness? Like it’s really surprising to find skeletons in the closet of Wright or Hagee. Both drunk on power and the limelight, and neither of which should be given any attention.
I don’t know enough about Hamas to guess what their motivation is, unless they wanted to scare Jewish voters into choosing McCain. The rumor mills have been trying to pin Obama as anti-semitic. Making a connection to Hamas would reinforce that impression. Could be a reverse psychology attempt cuz they really want McCain to win.
June 1, 2008 at 4:56 am #618189
WSMomParticipantWhy is the Hamas endorsement a non-issue? Because Obama did not ask for nor in any way celebrate this endorsement. So who benefits from Hamas (a middle-eastern terrorist organization) endorsing any presidential candidate, recognizing that this endorsement only hurts said candidate? Can we say “Republican smear machine”. Karl Rove is providing “guidance” to McCain, sounds like a play from his book if you ask me. Or, hey, don’t ask me, ask Scott McCelland. Now that the cult like hold has loosened it’s grip on his mind, he’s able to recognize the evil he was an instrument of.
June 1, 2008 at 5:41 am #618190
AnonymousInactiveSpeaking of Scotty, is anyone planning on buying his book or would it be too painful to read. I remember reading *The Family: real story of the Bush Dynasty* by Kitty Kelley (what a name) a few years ago. Hurt my head. Although the horror known as Barbara made me feel sorry for George for about ten minutes.
June 1, 2008 at 4:29 pm #618191
KenParticipantA sunday Kos link for Obama supporters as well :)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/1/82050/07995/193/526607
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