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March 3, 2011 at 6:40 pm #716444
MarkAngelloMemberJanS, you reveal too much. If you don’t want to talk about your feelings, why do you post here in public? I see a raw nerve…
You are the one who thought someone was assuming something about you. That is part of your worldview to think so. Maybe you are wrong. You should have asked about the other person’s worldview. Check her and your assumpttions. You need to.
Now as for CEF in public schools, I am sure even a child could put a few Christian questions to forum memebers’ children about sin, salvation, God’s standards and the only way to be forgiven. I welcome the knowledge that our children are receiving such instruction after school by adults and, by our Christian students in the classrooms and homes both during and after school. They study and come to God for themselves. You cannot stop them.
March 3, 2011 at 7:23 pm #716445
JoBParticipantbump
March 3, 2011 at 7:24 pm #716446
miwsParticipantJoB, I hope you realize I wasn’t lumping you, and those that believe as you do, into the same group as the fundys.
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MA, why do you feel the need to harass Jan? She doesn’t owe you, or anyone else jack shit in regards to her beliefs.
Mike
March 3, 2011 at 9:21 pm #716447
redblackParticipantmike: i’m not sure whether this guy is trying to convince others – or himself.
the phrase, “remove the beam from thine own eye…” comes to mind.
March 3, 2011 at 10:08 pm #716448
dawsonctParticipantMark, your form of Christianity, Calvinism, is NOT the accepted doctrine of ANY Christian church I have ever been affiliated with.
You need to go join the Phred Phelps cult if you want to surround yourself with the like-minded.
March 3, 2011 at 10:15 pm #716449
dhgParticipantAnd hilarity ensues. Mark: Your children are witnessed by fellow students, they get bible study during school and in your home both and after school and yet you say that “They study and come to God for themselves. You cannot stop them.” Apparently they have no choice in the matter, drowning as they are in your version of the word of god.
One of the great modern conundrums posed by the evangelicals: Homosexuality is so contagious that having even one out school teacher is enough for the students to catch it, but the word of god is strangely resistant and must be re-imposed each hour of the day.
March 4, 2011 at 12:21 am #716450
JoBParticipantMarch 4, 2011 at 12:51 am #716451
JanSParticipantmy last post here, since the OP simply twists things to fit his beliefs. I told the story as an example. I don’t have any raw nerves about it. I lost contact with this person years ago. I had no interest in pursuing a friendship with her.MA, you don’t know me, so please refrain from amateur psychology about me. I am very comfortable with who I am. I don’t NEED to do anything. I am right about me – that’s the only person’s beliefs that I have to be concerned about.
I would say these things to your face, too, by the way. I have met personally some of the people who post on this forum;have become good friends with some of them, too. I’m betting those friendships will last a lifetime. And I don’t have a need to know what they believe or not believe as far as religion is concerned. They’re good people who don’t judge me, and vice versa.
March 4, 2011 at 1:01 am #716452
KenParticipant“All children are atheists – they have no idea of God.”
(Paul-Henri, baron d’Holbach / 1723-1789)
hey… I am the OP in the strictest sense of the word.
:)
March 4, 2011 at 2:17 am #716453
JoBParticipantMarch 4, 2011 at 2:25 am #716454
Genesee HillParticipantTo this day, sunday is the day of the week I dislike the most. It should have been a great day, like saturday; no school. But, no, I had to not only go to sunday school, but, sit in church, for an hour. If I was “bad” in church, I got a spanking when I got home; ok, sometimes.
I hated, as a kid, to get up early, have fun, and know it would be RUINED by two hours of church. Yech…
March 6, 2011 at 5:55 pm #716455
MarkAngelloMemberJanS I am very comfortable with who I am.
Living in denial… The Bible says, “There is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end of it is the way of death.” Your comfort level is not any kind of test of God’s Truth, now is it?
===I don’t NEED to do anything.
Actually you don’t need to DO anything. You in fact cannot do enough good to outweigh your bad. You need to be forgiven. You need to know God. You need to please the One Who created you. The solution is not in doing anything or making yourself holy etc. The solution is just the opposite. Admit you cannot do enough, and just ask. It is called repenting and believing.
===I am right about me
But what if you are wrong about you… and about your family? Then what if you discover the One Who made you and offers to forgive you?
===- that’s the only person’s beliefs that I have to be concerned about.
Unless you find out you mislead your family for years and want them to enjoy the same God’s gift you enjoy. It would make sense to tell them. That’s all the Good News Club trains students to do.
March 6, 2011 at 6:27 pm #716456
dobroParticipant“But what if you are wrong about you…”
Hey, pal, what if you’re the one that’s wrong? Oh, wait, no that’s not possible is it?
March 6, 2011 at 6:41 pm #716457
JanSParticipantGood grief…save your psychology for someone else. You’re not hearing me, you’re hearing the little voices in your head. Sounds like you NEED to be right no matter what.
What you’re saying is I need to know YOUR God, what you believe it to be. Frankly, I am totally offended. Who was it that decided you were the expert of ME (or of God, or of religion, or what to believe for that matter)? Your religion, your beliefs, your Bible, your church..they all only belong to you, and I suppose your family, because I have a feeling you don’t let them think any other way ( but I may be wrong).
Please stop and think before you start analyzing others.
Again, my beliefs are different than yours..but they are mine, and they get me through life with no regrets. Yours is not the only way…how arrogant of you to think that…and how arrogant of you to tell me (or anyone) that I (or they) need saving (according to your standards).
March 6, 2011 at 6:42 pm #716458
JanSParticipantthanks, Dobro…that thought went through my head, too
March 6, 2011 at 6:59 pm #716459
JoBParticipantIf my understanding of Christianity makes me a good person.. kind, loving, helpful and tolerant of others..
and yours makes you judgmental, mean and gleeful of other’s misfortunes…
which of us is the better Chrisitian?
March 6, 2011 at 7:14 pm #716460
DPMemberRe-quoth Kenneth:
“All children are atheists – they have no idea of God.”
(Paul-Henri, baron d’Holbach / 1723-1789)
Ken, I have a book I’d like to give you. (And no, it’s not the Book of Mormon.) Where might I drop it off?
Also, do you mean to imply, in quoting this quote, that children, if left to their own devices, would never invent themselves a God to believe in?
Come on, dude! Didn’t you ever have an imaginary friend when you were a kid?
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March 6, 2011 at 7:23 pm #716461
JanSParticipantDP,,,I saw that cartoon yesterday…love it :)
March 6, 2011 at 8:55 pm #716462
sydneyMemberwhen I was a kid and noticed my cat had five digits on her paw I realized we were related. How’s that for “indoctrination to evolution”?
But it hasn’t anything to do with my struggle to be Christlike… MarkAngello has some New Testament reading to do methinks, but then who am I to judge?
March 6, 2011 at 9:11 pm #716463
miwsParticipantJoB, I would say that your understanding is the better of the two.
And, if we want to ass-u-me that all people are inherently evil, I would say that your practice of your understanding, is millions upon millions-fold less evil than MA’s practice of his understanding.
Mike
March 6, 2011 at 10:37 pm #716464
DPMemberwhich of us is the better Christian?
Jo, is it really a contest to see who’s the better Christian? You’re kind of making it sound that way — even if you are merely responding to MarkAngello’s taunts in kind.
Also, are you truly practicing “love and tolerance” for MarkAngello when you imply that he is “mean and gleeful of others’ misfortunes”? —Or is there an exception clause in your belief system for people like him?
Hmm?
March 6, 2011 at 11:18 pm #716465
dobroParticipantPracticing love and tolerance isn’t the same as ignoring reality. If someone is espousing meanness and glee at other misfortune, I think many Xtians would say you are obligated to point that out in order to help them find a better, perhaps more Xtian, way.
March 7, 2011 at 7:14 pm #716466
MarkAngelloMember+++If my understanding of Christianity makes me a good person.. kind, loving, helpful and tolerant of others..
Christianity makes people better, but that is the side effect, not the means, of becoming a Christian. Visit Mars Hill Church and ask how.
In related news here are two more cases that relate to proselytism in government schools:
Monday, March 07, 2011
Supreme Court Denies Review In Student Organization Funding Case
The U.S. Supreme Court today denied certiorari in Walsh v. Badger Catholic, Inc., (Docket No. 10-731, cert. denied 3/7/2011). (Order List). In the case, the 7th Circuit in a 2-1 decision invalidated a University of Wisconsin policy that withheld student activity fee funding for worship, proselytizing or religious instruction by recognized student groups.
In a related development, last month Indiana University changed its policy that denied Student Association funding for religiously based student groups. The Indiana Daily Student last week reported that the change in policy came in connection with an application by Impact Movement for funds for its members to attend a national conference which would involve religious proselytizing and sectarian activities.
March 7, 2011 at 7:33 pm #716467
DPMemberChristianity makes people better, but that is the side effect, not the means, of becoming a Christian. Visit Mars Hill Church and ask how.
Aha! The truth comes out!
MarkAngello, you wouldn’t be practicing asymmetrical warfare against all of us unbelievers, now would you?
You know, Mars Hill Church is always free to take an ad out along the side of the screen there >>>>
I’m sure y’all can afford it. ;-)
March 7, 2011 at 8:41 pm #716468
JanSParticipantThere are plenty of good people in the world who have no interest in Christianity. There are other religions, and we need to be respectful of that. Mars Hill Church? Oh, you don’t want to know what I think. So…Mark..are you really in Chicago…and what is your connection to Mars Hill Church?
And, no, Christianity does NOT always make someone better.It is used too often as the “excuse” that NOW the person is better than they have been all their life. It’s not what you call yourself, in my book, it’s how you live your life every day.
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